classified documents case to begin on august 12th. that is correct. donald trump asked for that trial to start just three months before the presidential election. except, that request may not exactly be what it sounds like. it could very well be a game of 3d chess. it does not sound like something trump placed on that often, but play with me here. trump pitching that august date could be a way of trying to block the other federal criminal case, the special counsel's much more serious a federal election interference case from going to trial before the election. yesterday we got that massive news, the supreme court has agreed to hear trump's argument, that those criminal trials in the d. c. case should be thrown out because a presidential immunity. but the court did not schedule oral arguments on that case to start until the week of april 20 seconds. because of that delay, even if the supreme court decides this case incredibly quickly, this election interference case most likely could not start until late july. now we know from forms that were sent to potential jurors last year, once that case starts, the court expects it will last approximately three months, which means that the window in which they d. c. election interference case could take place and conclude before the november election, that window is a very small. it is basically sometime between mid july and mid august. so donald trump asking for the judge in another case, the mar- a-lago classified documents case to put that trial on the calendar in mid august seems like some 3d chess. okay, maybe just chess. right now it really doesn't seem like there's enough room in the calendar to have both of these trials take place and conclude before the presidential election. jack smith's team thinks the mar-a-lago trial last 4 to 6 weeks. trump's legal team thinks it will last 8 to 10 weeks. now whether it is four weeks, or ten weeks it could effectively block the judge and the federal election interference case from scheduling her trial in order to get a verdict before the november election, or in other words, it could ice her. ice her. that is when a person familiar with trump's trial strategy told cnn earlier this week. and we see news has not independently verified that reporting, more earlier this week that same person told cnn that as far as scheduling the mar-a-lago classified documents trial, the thing trump is really thinking about is blocking the d. c. federal election case. the idea is to make it impossible for the judge in that case, tanya chutkan, to jam a trial down before the election by using things that are out of her control. trump's team believes the mar-a- lago case, if it is moved to july, could box out judge chutkan from putting the federal election subversion case on the schedule. it looks like that is trump's strategy here. makes sense to me. at the end of the day, this is his classic delay strategy with a few more bells and whistles, admittedly. instead, what actually confused me today was special counsel jack smith's strategy. smith's team asked for the mar- a-lago classified documents case to start on july 8th. i do not know about you, but that also feels uncomfortably close to the very small window in which the special counsel's federal election interference case could start and finish before the november election. so what is the special counsel thinking here? is there an order of operations? are there any special legal avenues to expedite any of this? something that would allow both of these cases to go to trial before november? well i have the perfect person to ask. joining me now is andrew weissmann, msnbc legal analyst and former fbi general counsel. andrew, thank you for being here. literally several times this evening and said we just need to ask weissmann, so first, let's start with the special counsel. i'm finding it, my heart sort of sank when i saw they were requesting a july 8th trial date for mar-a-lago. that just seems to foreclose the summer, right? do you read it that way? >> so i feel like we need to have a chessboard right here. >> how about checkers, that is more must be these days. >> i read it as jack smith reading the tea leaves with respect to the supreme court, what they did just yesterday, we are kind of in warp speed, he had to move fast. this is like dog years, everything is moving so quickly, and i think he realized that the odds of his getting a trial date in the d. c. case before september, and it would take the stars, the moon, and the earth to align, and everything to go right for that case to be starting in september. and there is a chance it is much longer than that. it is a never. so i think this was reality. you know what, let's try and grab a bird in the hand. so i think that was his thinking. if you want, i can turn to donald trump. >> before we do, that is, i think there are a lot of people after the news yesterday that are thinking, but can something be done here? but to have what feels like almost an admission on part of the special counsel that is probably not going to happen, even if it does happen, let's say in september, if they think it is going to take three months, it is not going to conclude before the election. >> so i do think that he has a number lady to slim it down. slim to win. it is standard procedures, you want to do that, as a prosecutor, just put on what you need. we saw that by the way in the trump organization trial, they really kept it tight. that is why i was really impressed. this is a good team. they did what they need, in and out, got a conviction. so i can see jack smith trying to do that. but just remember, he has to be thinking it is the start date i'm concerned about. and, if you just, i did not do math in public. >> neither do i. i try i try not to. >> it is just not, it is just not looking good. that is all assuming that the supreme court does not do things to delay the case further, and there are various outcomes that it could. >> right, i'm operating in best- case scenario here. >> yeah, but that, is you know, when you put your mind in your head in jack smith's thinking, he has -- not best-case an area, so he is thinking you know what, i have a very strong case in the classified documents case, i mean he has to be thinking this has jury appeal, it is not just the retention of classified documents, it is two forms of obstruction, by all accounts it looks like an incredibly strong case. we still have not heard any defense from the former president that passes the straight face test. honestly we will see what happens at trial. so he needs to be thinking okay let's see if we can get that. it is still an uphill battle because he has before judge cannon, and there are many ways that that case can be delayed, but this was an issue of his request. so in terms of what he is asking for, this seems doable. the case has been pending for a long time, the classified documents issue is the only issue that would cause this to slow down, that has largely been resolved, and so i think he has the right to -- right, exactly. >> let's talk a little bit about donald trump strategy here, because the reporting is, donald trump, it almost sounds like he thinks he has a willing audience in judge cannon >> yes, he does. >> it almost because he does. >> i'm giving you my opinion. >> i understand that. >> the request from trump's team sort of begins with all the reasons why judge cannon shouldn't really even schedule this before november, but if she has to, how about mid august. they give her a lot of runway to say, there are other things you could say, the presidential immunity claim we have launched in the mar-a-lago case. why don't you wait until the supreme court figures that all out, and not do anything until then? >> right, so, i do think you know, to point to note, he started by saying i did not want the trial in 2024. but she had ordered that they give a trial date, so he actually gave a trial date, but it is the backup position. this is his ace in the hole. i think it is not so much the i don't want it in 2024, or okay, plan be is august, he has made an immunity argument, the same argument that is made in d. c.. this one minor difference, he wasn't president. so his argument is, but i took the documents while i was president, i have said that is like a bank robber saying i legally got the gun that i used to rob the bank. >> i was a customer of the bank when i went in and took the money. >> it is just such an irrelevancy, but he has judge cannon, so the question is whether judge cannon will sit on that, whether she will granted, or if she denies it and says it is not a frivolous argument, meaning all of these delays of appeal that we have seen in the d. c. case, donald trump is going to try that, of course. >> the same road back to the supreme court. >> it is a much harder factual argument and but that is not the issue. just remember, we were all sitting here going he is arguing he can argue s. e. a. l. team six to kill an opponent, we are arguing that is laughable, and then yet here we are. >> novel defense as the supreme court. we need to weigh in on that. >> so he has many ways, even if he were to get that august date, to later move it and push it aside. >> i mean, give me the over under on how optimistic you are about judge cannon. we sit here now, it is like you know, the possibilities for holding trump accountable seem to be shrinking by the day. there is the alvin bragg case which seems like that is sort of full steam ahead, but everything else. >> can i stop you there, there is the alvin bragg case, that is, i'm not optimistic, i'm not optimistic on the d. c. case in light of what happened yesterday. i wish i were, but i really am not. i am not optimistic in florida, even that one if you look at it rationally, that should be able to go before the election. it is the biggest open issue, there is judge cannon, we will have more data on this tomorrow, because the parties are going to be heard, my judge cannon, and she either will set a date, or at least give somet inclination as to what she is thinking. >> new reality also, is andrew, there is so many reasons for delay here. even if you get to the point of actually scheduling a trial, finding an impartial jury in this is not going to be without its challenges. there's already fierce debate over the juror questionnaire, do you believe the election was stolen as a question jacks mitt would like to have on the jury questionnaire, understandably trump's team is going to fight them every way. >> so i have picked juries in high-profile matters, nothing quite as high-profile as this, but in the enron cases, the special counsel case, yes it is a challenge, but it can happen. you are not looking for and -- the law does not require somebody who's never heard of the case. it would be impossible, it is also inconsistent with our history when we were much smaller and people knew lots of people who were participants in the trial. so it is just required that somebody is going to be able to say, you know what, i will take my oath of office as a juror seriously, and i will decide this case based on the facts and the law. the biggest issue i see in that is the juror who wants on the jury. from either side you don't want somebody who sneaking on who is going to say they are going to be fair and impartial, but either only valid for the government or the defense, that is the biggest issue in that matter, you can see usually people do not go i can't wait today to get on the jury. most people are like how do i get off of a jury. >> yeah, it is a good thing neither one of these cases released are public emotion. they are just, everybody is levelheaded about all of it. andrew weissmann, i'm going to say the harbinger of not great news, much to a wonderful guest to have on the show. i'm very grateful for your time and thoughts. >> pleasure. >> we have a lot more ahead tonight.president biden went to the border today, so donald trump, we will get into those dueling trips, and alternate realities. but first, trump is trying some very creative and probably highly illegal strategies to avoid paying his bills. is any of it going to work? 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that lawsuit isn't your typical where are they now reality tv story. the lawsuit from those two former apprentice stars, now getting in the way of trump's latest attempts to keep accountability. right now trump is on the hook for more than half a billion dollars from his civil fraud and defamation lawsuits. at the same time trump is in the middle of a big deal to try and effectively sell that would knock off for billions of dollars, the company that and andy litinsky and wes moss helped create. a lot of people think trump could try and use the proceeds from that sale to pay his legal bills, that way he could avoid having to salafists precious realistic holdings and get truth social's investors to cover the legal costs of his misdeeds. -- -- throwing a wrench in the deal. it is delaying trump's access to those funds. it could be a real problem for donald trump, who sure seems these days like he does not have the money to pay the millions and millions in penalties that he owes. last week, trump tried to get the courts to delay his 83 million dollar payment in the e. jean carroll lawsuits. today carroll's attorney responded to that request for delay, saying he simply asked the court to trust me, and offers the court filing equivalent of a paper napkin signed by the least trustworthy of borrowers. trump is also trying to delay paying his new york civil fraud payment. this week trump and his lawyers asked the judge to allow him to pay only 100 million of the 450 million he owes in that case. yesterday, the judge denied that request. in a two line statement, he told trump's attorneys, you have failed to explain, much less justify any basis for delaying the payment. end scene. in the course of that back and forth yesterday, we learned about another possible attempt by trump to avoid paying the piper. and it is a real doozy. in a legal filing yesterday, new york attorney general letitia james accused trump of quietly trying to move his assets to florida to avoid having them seized by the state of new york. quoting from the new york attorney general's office, after the court issued its february 16th order, defendants announced for the first time that various trump organization entities operating in new york are allegedly now located in florida. two of the companies that were part of that lawsuit -- and -- managing member llc have already been relocated to florida. now as of the year 2023, both of those companies were still located in new york. so did trump move his companies to florida after the attorney general brought a lawsuit against trump and those companies? that would be one creative way to get out of pay any penalties in the case. and it sounds like the court was concerned that trump would do something exactly like that, which is why at the very beginning of this case, the judge here barred trump from moving his assets out of the states. now donald trump is doing everything in his power to avoid accountability in a civil criminal trials, and yes in some case it is working. yesterday of course he managed to get the conservative majority on the supreme court to delay his case, in the d. c. election interference trial. well into the future. the georgia election interference cases have been successfully stalled as well, we don't know what is happening in mar-a-lago, but the civil cases against trump, no one's from the new york attorney general of writer e. jean carroll, those have been the only cases so far where trump has really had to face justice. now he is making these last- ditch efforts to avoid having to pay up. the question is, will trump be able to escape accountability here as well? 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if he is, who will stop him? joining me now is kristy greenberg, former federal prosecutor who served for over a decade in the u.s. attorney's office from the southern district of new york. kristy, thank you for being here. i find this, i had to put my eyes back in my head, the idea that two of the companies that are named in the civil fraud lawsuit, trump has suddenly moved to the state of florida. first of all, isn't there someone who is overseeing the trump organization right now and should she not have been aware of, or been made aware that this kind of thing was happening. >> under the court's orders, he has to notify the independent monitor, former judge barbara jones of any kind of movement of assets, or any changes to those entities, certainly changing the address. what about the banks, where are the accounts associated with those entities? she needs to be tracking all of that. the fact that they put this in a letter, and -- -- some addresses are wrong. no, you did not tell them, you did not tell the a.g. or the monitor who supposed to be a babysitter and make sure you are doubting your eyes and crossing your t's. you did not disclose any of it. so it is shady, they are clearly trying to make some moves here where they can move money, and have the monitor not be able to track it. that seems to be what is going on here. >> i want to bring in, we now have his shot, up the author of the daily beast story that broke a lot of this jose pagliery. cr> jose, thank you for joining me. if you could, can you explain, the indications we have right now, and the timing about whether donald trump is in fact trying to move organizations that are subjects of this fraud trial out of state to avoid having to pay penalties. can you talk a bit more about the sort of evidence that is at hand? >> sure, so like you said, all we know now is they have had these changes of address, and the person who should be first and it would be barbara jones, that former federal judge who is the monitor over the company. she has been babysitting the company for over a year now, this was exactly why she was put in place. justice engoron, who is the trial judge knew that this could happen. let us why a little over a year ago, he ordered this monitor to be put in place of the trumps could not move assets out of the state, which was a concern from the beginning. so with this change of address, we are starting to see hints at that. we knew that donald trump feared having to pay this amount of money, especially when he is going through such a big cash crunch now. let's remember the $83 million he has to pay up very quickly to e. jean carroll for losing the rape defamation case in january, it is coming due. this is a really bad storm for him. the fact that they have changed in these addresses, it is certainly suspicious. the fact they only alerted the court in a letter saying, by the way, these addresses are incorrect. that is a backdoor way to get into this. it is why the a. g. in new york is calling them out on this. what is interesting is going to be how far this goes, because at this point trump's legal team has to answer some serious questions from the judge, and the appellate court isn't going to play this game either. they already issued a temporary stay so that this can be fought on appeal, but they chose not to hit the pause button on him paying this money. so at this point, he is not in a position where he is supposed to be moving assets, is actually in a position where he needs to pay up real soon, so we will get answers pretty soon, but the fact they did it this way at this hour, after they were told to, pay is certainly raising red flags. >> yeah, kristy what are the options here if someone -- first of all, legally speaking, if indeed jt holdings, donald j trump holdings moves to florida, and doesn't want to pay the bill so dispute, what are the legal implications of that? what can be done? this ron desantis have to step in? i'm kidding. >> these assets, if you can trace them, if you know where the money is, you can look to seize them. there are mechanisms in place for the new york a. g. to try to do that. the issue is once it moves to florida, where else does it go? does it go overseas, is it changing entities again, once you start layering here, again we don't know he is doing that, but once you start moving and you are not making notifications, it certainly makes it easier for those kinds of transactions to happen and be harder to trace the money and be able to see the if you need to. >> i mean, the a. g. could say don't do this, the judge can say don't do this, but if donald trump will do anyway, i wonder what legal recourse exists. does he get slapped with more? what happens now if in fact he is moving his businesses out of state to avoid having to pay penalties? >> this could be a very juicy conversation, because of the fact of the matter is, the deadline is around the corner. sometime in mid march, the a. g. can go ahead and ask justice engoron for the ability to put or forcibly seize property. he can base whatever company he wants elsewhere, trump tower is not moving. it is stuck in manhattan. so she can go ahead and start seizing that. there are, someone brought this up the other day, there are poundage fees that will be due if she has to get for example the sheriff involved. we never talk about the sheriff in new york city, but the sheriff would become involved, and they can take up to 5% of the total. what is 5% of half a billion dollars with increasing interest every single day? there is no way he can truly escape, this and he also, it is a question as to whether or not he wants to suffer the embarrassment of having somebody put a padlock on that tower. but realistically, though, he is running for president right now, he is under intense scrutiny, he is having to file disclosure forms with the federal government about what he owns and where it is. so when we did the story, one of the first things i looked at was when those those addresses change? so i looked up the disclosure forms he had filed, and those two entities always said they were in new york until, curiously, sometime last year in august. they no longer listed an address. now they just listed the assets. so he's under scrutiny, it is not like he can hide the stuff, he's going to have to report it to the federal government anyway as he runs for office. so we will all know where these things generally are, like i said, -- 40 wall street in manhattan, that is not moving either. these are true real acids that the a. g. can move on. it is just a matter of time. what is interesting about the timing here, this is all going to happen in mid march when justice, you recall, this is when the da office in manhattan, and the whole other law enforcement officers going to jack him into the court before the easter of his criminal trial, the first one ever involving former president. so he has his hands full, he does not have the time, or even the resources, or the legal team to be playing these kinds of games at this juncture. >> when we talk about bills being paid here, jose makes a very quite obvious, but i did not think of it myself point that you can't move 40 wall street. so ag james can seize 40 wall street if it comes down to it if his bad behavior to that degree, but i would wonder, it seems like he is trying to push off in liquidation of his real estate assets as the sort of plan d in all of this. there is this potential deal with his social media company that could come through, and afford him maybe as much as four billion dollars. that does not happen until march 22nd i think at the earliest. the bill is due i believe march 16th, and at the bill is now 550 billion dollars. what is -- is there recourse, does he get a grace period in any of this i, if he does not much does bad behavior like moving assets to florida cut in on that grace period? >> so right now he has 30 days which brings us to mid march. this is just so he is able to appeal. that is all we are looking at right now, whether or not he needs to pay the money to be able to file his appeal, and there is no wiggle room there in the law. there is no i get a grace period, i can give you part of, it i can pay 25 cents on the dollar. no, you have to pay the full amount. you have to pay more than the full amount. so, yeah, there is no way he can get out of this. if he wants to appeal, this is the deadline, he has to meet its. >> do you think the attempt to stave off payment in the e. jean carroll case, first of, all robbie caplan, her lawyer alling him the least trustworthy, this is like a paper napkin side yours truly donald trump, it is an iou, i promise i will pay it. what are these attempts? no judge is going to take that. is this just a delay tactic, i'm having a hard time understanding legal utility of that. >> in that case he didn't even put forth any evidence to say i want to secure it at all. i'm just asking for a stay. i don't want to put up anything. mother way, i would not provide any evidence about where my assets, or what kind of debt i have. any information about his, finances what it was just convicted of financial fraud. >> he doesn't mention in the 500 million dollar penalty he has to pay in his effectively statement of financial conditions. >> well, robbie kaplan made sure to mention that. >> it is just, i mean the obfuscation and the tantrums, and yet sometimes it works for him. we will see what happens. kristy greenberg, jose pagliery, thank you so much for your time, really appreciate you. >> thank you. >> still ahead this evening, it was a tale of two cities, to order visits, and through starkly different visions for this country. which one will prevail in november, and what will it mean for democracy? 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enters towards an election, trump is doubling down to tie him to a reported migrant crime rave. in my -- in recent nbc news review of 2024 crime from cities targeted by texas operational start, that's the program that transports migrants from the border to the major cities across the country, a review of that data shows that overall crime levels actually dropped in the cities that have received the most migrants. that would be cities like philadelphia, chicago, denver, new york and los angeles. trump may call it a vicious violation to our country but none of that appears to be true. don't expect him to stop saying it. though joining us now to discuss, this senator catherine cortez masto, from the great state of nevada. senator, it's great to see you. thanks for joining the program on this really important day and this pivotal moment as we throw in our country. i first got to ask you about biden migraine crying. it's typical what the former president trump as always done. even in 2016. to make up information, lives, talk about what's happening when the border it important for people to know the. faxon, it's important for me to go down to the border. luka to talk with the border patrol agents. and the custom agents. the same thing that president biden has just. done, and if you actually sit and talk to the agents on the border you will learn that they need more resources. they are underwhelmed, right, and their understaffed. they're overwhelmed. there's so much happening. there, and for that reason i supported that bipartisan legislation that you talked. about the border security act because it had all of the information in there other resources that we needed to secure the border. and, it is why president biden worked. on his administration worked. with the senators. both republican, independent, and democrats to come to that compromise for that strong border security. it was tough. it was for it was really what our border security wanted and needed at the border. that is why, the border patrol association, the union supported. that's why so many came out and, said, yes this is what we need. but on the other side of it you have president biden, former president trump who is all about misinformation. and, as you pointed out doesn't want to really solve the problem. he just wants to exploited for political gain. it is typical of his m.o.. that is how he's always operated. that is how he will continue to operate. >> yes, i do wonder though if you think in some ways trump has managed to move the goalposts are a little bit. and, has treated democrats to join him and, effectively, if not out like vilifying migrants. but it seems, like in all the talk of walking down the border that there has been something lost in terms of understanding the humanity of these people. i mean there are headlines about children sheltering in porta-potties. down at the border, they're suffering from hypothermia. they are hungry. i think, starvation is being used in some cases. these are human beings who are a vital part of the american economy. and, i wonder if you think democrats are forceful enough, abdicating on their mere presence in the united states. understanding by the system of which they, come it is. broken but not to lose sight of the fact that they are important to this country. and they are fellow humans. >> well, alex, you write a couple of things. here we want to secure the border. we need to make sure those resources. here there's fat no coming across the there's human trafficking that's happening but yes we also need affair orderly process for immigration that's coming to the border. and, now we're seeing these surges of immigrants. , and we need to make sure we are addressing. that, and what their needs. our and, actually processing them much faster. that is why we need more resources, more judges, more asylum officers. we want to process them faster to see if there is a credible fear allegation whether that sure. not or are they really migrants coming for an opportunity to succeed. and, i will say this what you have seen and the data has shown that most of the migrants that we have seen coming across the border they just want an opportunity of the american, dream being persecuted in their country. and, you, know what their lives there is concerns for their families and that is why they are making that thousands of miles, and paying these cartels to try to get to a better life for their families. we can't lose sight of that. >> yes. >> but we also have to make sure we secure that border. because there is a lot of the illicit drugs and human trafficking, and things that are happening. so, we can do both. we can still have our values, and principles, and have a fair and orderly process at the border. that is something that i am proud of, as an american. that's what this is about. there's a role for congress to play along with this in the administration. and we have to be a part of it. unfortunately, my republican colleagues don't want to be a part of, it right? some of them are just listening to former president trump. , and doing his bidding. and not solving this problem. >> yes, i, guess respectfully i hear a lot more from both sides about fentanyl and human trafficking that i do this statistic that crime levels are dropping in the city that receive the most migrants in texas. and, i think that that, if you talk about the long term effects, or 57% of americans believe the large number of migrants seeking to enter the country is going to lead to more crimes. setting aside the importance of correcting that, that is also very politically advantageous for republicans. for the american public to believe. then i wonder, democrats have a plan for pushing back on that narrative? >> let me just say, that is the fearmongering that is out there. there's so much of it that, the republicans, in particular former president trump that is a emotional fearmongering. they'd rather get people to the polls, based on their motion than the truth. so they don't care what they. say, and it is important for democrats to take the data and the truth and push it out there and make sure we are talking about and educating our brokers. that's what i've done in the state of nevada, there's a way to talk about the border and say, we want to secure the border. and make sure we're making our communities state. but, at the same, time it beats the immigration system. we stop dreamers in this community, my community, and their families. that should be on pathway to citizenship. we still have tps recipients who want to work in this country. they are not criminals. they are hardworking. they want to be a part of this america. dream, so we should be working on their behalf as well. >> senator, from nevada, really, really appreciate your perspective on. this thanks for your time. >> thanks alex >> that is our show for this, evening now it is time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell, good evening alex. >> fifth, evening gonna be picking up the border discussion with senator chris murphy of candidate who was the key negotiator for the democrats on that bipartisan bill. that donald trump managed to veto, even though he technically didn't have