B is august. He has made an immunity argument, the same argument that is made in d. C. One minor difference. He wasnt president. His argument is, but i took the documents while i was president. I have said, that is like a bank robber saying you know, i legally got the gun that i used to rob the bank. Right. I was a customer of the bank when they went in and took the money. Everything is just such an irrelevancy. But hes got judge cannon and so the question is whether judge cannon will sit on that, whether she will grant it, or if she denies it and says but its not a frivolous argument, meaning all of these delays of appeal that we have seen in the d. C. Case, don trump is going to try that, of course. Same road. Back to the Supreme Court. Its much harder factual argument. But, thats not the issue. Just remember, we were all sitting here going, hes arguing that he can order s. E. A. L. Team six to kill a political important opponent and were going as absolutely laughable laughable. A novel defense. We need to weigh in on. That exactly. So i think he has many ways, even if he were to get that august deed to later push it aside. Give me the over under on how optimistic you are about judge cannon . We sit here now and its like the possibility is Holding Trump accountable seems to be shrinking. There is the alvin bragg case, which seems like that sort of full steam ahead, but Everything Else can i stop you there . Please, stop me. Heres the alvin bragg case. Im not optimistic on the d. C. Case in light of what happened yesterday. I wish i were. But i really am not. Im not optimistic. In florida even though that one, if you look at it rationally, that should be able to go before the election. Its the biggest open issue there, joe can, and we will have more data on this tomorrow. But then the parties are going to be heard by judge cannon and she either will saturday or at least give some inclination is to what she is thinking. The reality is also, there are so many reasons for delay here. Even if you get to the point of scheduling the trial, finding an impartial jury in this is not going to be without its challenges. There are already fierce debates over the jury question. To believe the election was stolen is a question that jack smith would like have on a juror questionnaire. Understandably trumps gonna fight them every tooth and nail. I have picked juries in high profile matters. Not as highprofile as this. But in the end run cases in the special counsel case. Yes, its a challenge, but it can happen. Youre not looking for, and the law does not require, somebody who has never heard of the case. It would be impossible. And also completely inconsistent with our history when we were much smaller and people knew lots of people who were participants in the trial. So its just required that somebody is going to be able to say you know what, i mean i take my Oath Of Office as a juror seriously and will decide this case based on the facts and the law. The Biggest Issue i see in that is the juror who wants on the jury. For either side. You dont want somebody sneaking on who is going to say theyre gonna be fair and impartial but its either gonna vote for the government or only vote for the defense. Thats the Biggest Issue in this. People like i cant wait to get on the jury but there are people who are like how do i get off a jury for most people. Its a good thing neither one of these cases really stir public emotion. Everybodys really very levelheaded about all of it. Andrew weissmann, im going to say the harbinger of not great news but still a wonderful guest to have on the show. Very grateful for your time and. We have a lot more ahead tonight. President biden went to the border today. So donald trump. Well get into those dueling trips and alternate realities. But first, trump is trying some creative and probably highly illegal strategies to avoid paying his bills. Is anybody going to work . Thats next. T. There were a lot of warning signs. Plenty of reasons why getting into business was donald trump was never going to end well for them. If there was one moment where they should have walked away with their dignity intact and kept their distance from donald trump forever, it was probably this one. Andy. You just being pounded. On your being out debated. I just dont want Somebody Running One of my companies thats going to get beaten up so badly. Your fired. And i just have to do this. I have no choice. Wes, your fired also. And you latency and wes mosque, contestants on season two of the apprentice. Both were fired by trump in dramatic boardroom scenes filled with Melodramatic Music and a whole lot of reaction shots. But andy Lewinsky Lytton ski and wes moss did not learn their lesson. Years later after munch trump became a twice impeached president and militants key and wes masse decided to go into business with him. And boy do they seem to regret it. These two former apprentice contestants helped trump build his right wing twitter Knock Off Social Committee Truth social. But now they are suing trump, claiming hes trying to cheat the motive that share of the company. Who couldve seen that coming . That lawsuit is not your typical where are they know reality tv story. The lawsuit from those two former apprentice stars is now getting in the way of trumps latest attempt to Escape Accountability. Right now trump is on the hook for more than half 1 Million Dollars from the civil fraud and defamation lawsuits. At the same time, trump is in the middle of a big deal to try and effectively sell that twitter knock off for billions of dollars, a company that Andy Lytinsky and wes moss helped trump create. A lot of people think trump could use the proceeds from that sale to pay his legal bills. That way he could avoid having to sell off his precious Real Estate Holdings and get truth socials investors to cover the costs of his misdeeds. But now the washington reports that the lawsuit from those two former apprentice stars is throwing a wrench in the deal. Its delaying trumps access to those funds. Which could be a real problem for donald trump, who sure seems, these days, like he does not have the money to pay the millions and millions in penalties that he owns. Last week trump tried to get the courts to delay his 83 Million Dollar payment in e. Jean carroll lawsuit. Today carrolls attorney responded to that request for a delay saying he simply asks the court to trust me and offers the court filing equivalent of a paper napkin, signed by the least trustworthy of borrowers. Trump is also trying to delay paying his new york civil fraud payment. This week trump and his lawyers asked the judge to allow him to pay only 100 billion of the 450 million he owes in that case. Yesterday the judge denied that request in a two line statement, telling trumps attorneys, you have failed to explain, much less justify, any basis for delaying the payment. In the course of that back and forth yesterday we learned about another possible attempt by trump to avoid paying the piper. And it is a real doozy. In a legal filing yesterday, new York AttorneyLetitia JamesAccused Trump of quietly trying to move his assets to florida to avoid having them seized by the state of new york. Coding for the new York Attorney generals office, after the court issued its February 16th order, defendants announced for the first time the various Trump Organization entities operating in new york are allegedly now located in florida. Two of the companies that were part of that lawsuit, Dj T Holdings llc and dj t Holdings Managing member llc, have already been located in florida. As of 2023 both of those companies were still located in new york. So did trump move those companies to florida after the Attorney General bought a lawsuit against trump and those companies . That would be one creative way to get out of paying any penalties in the case. And it sounds like the court was concerned that trump would do something exactly like that, which is why, at the very beginning of this case, the judge here barred trump from moving his assets out of the state. Now donald trump is doing everything in his power to avoid accountability in the civil and criminal trials, and yes, in some cases it is working. Yesterday of course he managed to get the conservative majority on the Supreme Court to delay his case, and the d. C. Election interference trial, well into the future. 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She has been babysitting the company for over a year now and this was exactly why she was put in place. Justice and gordon, the trial judge, do this kind of thing could happen. Thats why a little over a year ago he ordered the monitor to be put in place so that the trumps could not move assets out of the state which was a concern from the beginning and so with this change of address, were seeing hints at that. We knew that donald trump feared having to pay this amount of money, and especially when hes going through such a Big Cash Crunch now. Lets remember, the 83 million he has to pay very quickly to e. Jean carroll for losing the rape Defamation Case in january, its coming to. And this is a really bad storm for him. The fact that theyve changed these addresses is certainly suspicious. The fact that they only alerted the court in a letter saying all by the way, these addresses are incorrect. Thats sort of a back door way to get into this. Its why the 80 in newark is calling them out on this. Whats interesting is going to be how far this goes because at this point trumps legal team asked to answer some serious questions from the judge and the Appellate Court isnt going to play this game either. They already issued a temporary stay so that this can be fought on appeal. But they chose not to hit the pause button on him paying this money. So at this point hes not in a position where he supposed to be moving assets. Hes actually in a position where he needs to pay up real soon. And so well get answers pretty soon. But the fact that they did it this way, at this hour, after they were told to pay, is certainly raising red flags. Yeah, i mean, kristy, what are the options here . Legally speaking, if Dj T Holdings, Donald J Trump holdings moves to florida and doesnt want to pay the bill, so to speak, what are the legal implications of that . What can be done . Does Rhonda Santos have to step in . Im kidding. Again, these assets, if you can trace them, if you know where the money is, you can look to seize them. There are mechanisms in place to do that. The issue is, once it goes to florida, where else does . Go to go overseas . Is it changing entities again . Once you start layering here, again, we dont know that hes doing that, but once you start moving and you are not making notifications, it makes it easier for those kinds of transactions to happen and be harder to trace the money and sees it if you need to. Josi, the a. G. Can say dont do this. The judge can say dont do this, but of don trumps gonna do it anyway, i would not sort of legal Resource Recourse exists . Does he get slapped with more fines . Does he what happens now if hes moving his businesses out of state to avoid penalties . This could be a juicy conversation. The deadline is around the corner. Sometime in mid march the easy can go and mask Justice Engoron for the ability to forcibly seize property he. Can base properties elsewhere but trump tower stuck in manhattan. She can go about seizing that and, someone brought this up to me the other day, there are pounded fees that will be due if she has to get, for example, the sheriff involved. We didnt talk about the sheriff of new york city, where the sheriff would become involved and they can take up to 5 of the total. Whats 5 of half A Billion Dollars with increasing interest every single day . Theres no way you can truly escape this. And also its a question as to whether he notes wants to suffer the embarrassment of having someone put a pad