who we are as a country. that is our show for this evening, now it's time for the last word with ali velshi in for lauren, good evening. >> caitlin is the reporter for the 80s on this particular story, which goes in and out of fashion for the right sometimes. it's the biggest story, and then sometimes, we forget for months. what your story tonight told us was that you might forget about this. this might not be the biggest thing on your agenda. you might be thinking about israel or ukraine or inflation or whatever it is. these people don't have places to sleep tonight. it's cold outside in your city. >> in new york city, around the roosevelt hotel down the street from where we work. we need to see them again. >> we have effectively -- it is a dehumanization of sorts. there are things that we talk about. they are pawns, as you describe. you're store humanize it and remind people, whatever you are doing, whatever your real passions are, whatever is important to you, there are many different things going on, there are these people around you who are new to this place, and they don't speak the language, and they are scared for their children. and they are just like you. they just want peace and shelter and health care and food. thank you for doing that, i appreciate it. >> hey, thank, thank, thank the good people doing the hard work. thank you, my friend. have a good show. >> i'll see you next week. d show the republican attorny general in the state of texas is trying to use a lot to stop non viable pregnancy and birth despite a risk to her life. its essence hyperbolic, it's not. that is what is happening tonight to kick cox, a 31-year-old mother of two, forced to beg a texas court for an emergency abortion, once she discovered that her fetus had a fatal genetic condition. her doctor warned her that her health and ability to have more children would be at risk if she did not terminate the pregnancy. the judge agreed, that she met the medical requirements obtain an abortion, even in texas. even under the states restrictive ban, calling it a miscarriage of justice to force or to continue with a non viable and potentially armful pregnancy but that was not enough for the texas republican attorney general. ken paxton, a man we could talk about at length another night, is threatening in writing to prosecution of any possible form of abortion under this law. the day, accident as the supreme court to intervene. >> before we were in this, i would never imagine that we would be in this position. like i said, i never thought that we would need or want an abortion. i always wanted a big family. i think forcing me to continue the pregnancy but the pain and suffering, put me through the risk of continuing the pregnancy, the risk of childbirth, again, especially given how my last two went, i think it's cool. >> it is cool. it's a dystopian. this is handmaid's tale stuff. a woman, already a mother, pregnant with a wanted child, dealt with a terrifying and frightening prognosis, as the republican attorney general and republican activists in texas overriding the advice of her doctor. texas's antiabortion laws already being challenged in court who say that the state then puts their lives in danger by denying them medically necessary abortions. this is the post-roe world created by republicans. voters have repeatedly shown, they do not want these extreme near total abortion bans with little or no exceptions for rape, incest or the life of the mother, even in red states. kansas, kentucky, ohio, republicans will not be stopped by mere voters. this week, new hampshire republicans propose a 15-day, you heard that right, a 15-day abortion ban. the new republic reports that a mere one day after medical experts say detection is even possible, via start but tests, close to conception. house bill 12:40 afn would also attack on criminal penalties to any of care providers performing abortions, categorizing the offense as a class b felony and potential fines ranging from 10,000 to $100, 000, and quote. my actually passed by the way. the bill might actually pass, even though an overwhelming majority of new hampshire voters support keeping abortion legal. , as is the case in america. the associated press reports that in missouri, republicans have introduced a bill to be considered and the legislative session that begins next month to apply homicide laws on behalf of a who is an unborn child at every stage of development, and quote. every stage of development. consider this a reminder, as we head 2024. elections have consequences. today, voters in once they are finally getting the protections that they voted for. about initiative to enshrine abortion rights in ohio state constitution is in effect today, after voters recently voted to protect a woman's right to bodily autonomy overriding the states abortion ban. of course, how republicans are still appealing this in court. joining us now is dr. lauren beene, founder and executive director of ohio physicians, for women's productive rights. doctor beene, thank you for being with. this event in ohio, this is no sure thing. it was two votes. there was finally a referendum to get this done. there are two votes, like a team vote to start with, and then having not succeeded in that, the antiabortion forces changed the methodology for the actual vote. and yet, and yet, ohioans took to the polls, maybe in some cases, put some of their personal beliefs about abortion aside and held up the fundamental belief, but take my rights away from me as an american. >> absolutely, ali, the people in ohio came out and voted very recently in support of the people making their own reproductive health care decisions. the impact of that goes far beyond issue one. it's really a statement by the people of ohio that medical decisions, including reproductive health care decisions, including those involving abortion, should be made by people, in consultation with their medical provider. and they should not be made by government officials, politicians, extremists, extremists running many of our state governments. because when those extremists try to take over and try to make decisions for people, then people suffer. people get hurt, and people die. and people realize that, right? they know that they want to make their own health care decisions. in ohio, we saw that, just like we did in several states in 2022, where the people came out, and they have come out over and over again now, saying, hey, i want to make my own health care decisions, i don't want my extremist politicians making that for me. >> one of the interesting things here, for some people, when roe felt was an abstraction, the idea that states would be okay, and then we found out that states are very draconian and i want to take that right away. ultimately, in ohio and other places, kansas and other states, there were activists on the ground, making sure that people didn't, but people answered the call. they came out and said, i will vote to protect, not just my rights, your rights. >> yes, more than, that people came out at the beginning, so shortly after roe fell, our organization formed. i am one of the cofounders and executive directors of ohio physicians from reproductive rights, which did not exist before roe fell. but within days after row, over 8000 doctors came together, all with the same belief that our patients need to be able to get the health care that they need when they need to, and it can't be something that they have to call attorneys and ask for permission. we can't go to judges to get permission, like what just happened and texas, and that was the beginning of really a moment this landslide grassroots effect that has continued to build momentum throughout the last year and a half in ohio, and is now continuing into other states across the country. we had such an incredible volunteer enthusiasm. we had a tremendous amount of participation and collecting signatures that were required to get abortion on the ballot in ohio. we submitted over 710,000 signatures, in order to get our petition on the ballot in a record amount of time, and then we had, like a couple million people come out and vote and say, yes, yes, i want to be able to make those decisions from ourselves. absolutely, the people spoke, and i continue to speak in other states as well. >> dr. lauren beene, i appreciate your time. thank you for the work that you have done. dr. lauren beene is the physician and cofounder of executive director for a high of physicians for reproductive rights. with a go to state representative alexis simpson. thank you for being with us this evening. i don't want to insult my viewers intelligence by stating the obvious, but a 15-day abortion, nobody knows that they are pregnant and 15 weeks. >> exactly, exactly. it was shocking when we saw the statement come through on monday, the language. we talk for a minute, 15 weeks but, no, 15 days. we are still shocked today that this bill was not proposed, but, ali, this is part of the republican strategy for restricting abortion rights. this bill, actually builds on the increasingly extreme abortion bans that republicans have tried to enact since they passed the 24 we've been here in new hampshire two years ago. since roe v. wade fell, since it was overturned, in 22 states, they have banned abortion across the country. here in new hampshire, in both the 2022 and the 2023 sessions, a majority of house republicans backed bills to ban abortions at six weeks. those bills were only defeated because has democrats oppose them. this ridiculous attempt to ban abortions a 15 days is sadly what we have come to expect from new hampshire republicans. >> i am puzzled about the possibility that this could pass. a 2022 saint and some college poll found that 71% of respondents in your state identified as pro choice. as this point, as we saw in ohio and kansas, it's not even whether you use the language of pro-choice or pro-life. there are people who are not abortion activists and may not make that choice for themselves, who are coming out to vote to protect abortion rights, because it's a fundamental right. they think it's right. they don't let new hampshire politicians tell you what you and a doctor need to be discussing. why is this even a possibility? why are we having this discussion tonight? >> that's a great question. so, here in new hampshire, in the legislature, we really are a microcosm of the issues of them that we see nationwide from republicans. which is only really escalated over the past few years. in a state where voters overwhelmingly believe, as you say, that reproductive health decisions should be made solely between patients and medical providers. this legislation really is absurd. it's dangerous, it's extreme, and it's out of touch. most women don't even know that they're pregnant f-15es. this alone goes to show that the people who crafted this legislation have absolutely no clue about the realities of women's health care. as you showed, a vast majority of -- agree with our motto, live free or die. >> this is pretty obvious, right? this fits with the license plate. let me ask you this, do they look at these other states. i know that there is a small republican majority in the legislature. there are three independents and for vacant seats. in theory, it's a close match. did they look at ohio, look at kansas, look at these places and say, this is not going to work, if most of the residents of the state do not support banning abortion, they are going to come at us at some point. they are going to come back, the dog has slammed into the car, and this is not good for republicans to continue this. >> well, ali, that is what i would think, but over the past three years, with the republican control of the new hampshire state government, we have seen numerous attempts to restrict access to reproductive health care, and that has not slowed down. house republicans continue to file legislations to restrict further and prohibit abortion rights for instate hers. they may say that they don't want more restrictions, but here, we had this bill, from responders in both chambers, trying to move the ban to 15 days. if it one of their most vulnerable republican members, john sellers, who won by only four votes, in 2022, sponsoring the legislation. >> i guess he seems confident that he'll get the four vote again next time. thank you for being with us, i am sorry for having this conversation. -- there are serious consequences, to these things. i think that the work you are doing to uphold democracy. alexis simpson is the new hampshire state democratic representative. thank you for being with us tonight. >> yes, thank you. >> coming up, some news today -- that for the indicted former president, the legal legal loss for defendant trump's next. r defendant trump's next from one serving. to help keep me sharp. try new neuriva ultra. think bigger. 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>> i did not know that is where you were going to go. why is he not home above first amendment stuff? i think, obviously, it's a vicious political purposes. they really made the right theme. yes, they talked about that, but when push comes to shove, we're not talking about the first amendment. that was his argument. it's a big first amendment case. they are saying that there is a different government interest here in the integrity of the proceedings. of course, he is going to push the first amendment to its widest berth possible through the things that he wants to say, but they were pretty clear where the first amendment must stand. it must stand in for other criminal defendants, in screwing up the integrity of the trial itself. asked did, that in that sphere alley, it is as restrained as any criminal defendant must be. >> but they made a point, no more soon than any other criminal. >> they are very aware -- we all need to know what he can say legitimately. for instance, they said, you can talk about witnesses like bill barr but not witnesses as lock witnesses. you cannot disparage their testimony. you can call my parents a liar on the campaign trail, if you want to. you can't go over the testimony. that is the right line. you've got to protect the trial. that is what she's doing. i think it's important that the court of appeals has her back. i think it augurs very well for going forward in the cases up to and pass the actual trial. >> what happens to the supreme court of texas? >> i don't think this one. they are hovering over a few, including, most importantly, the immunity order. but i don't see, and it is true that the constitution now, they have a gag order for a public, political candidate that they have addressed before. but i don't think that there are four votes to take this one, and i think that this would be pretty gun-shy about intervening in an impending case against trump in 2024. >> harry, good to see you as always, thank you, my friend. >> thank you, ali. >> coming up today, the jobs report was called, quote, big positive, good news for workers and bidenomics. that was on fox. more on where the presidents economic plan is working up next. orking u next ything to me. ♪ ♪ control is everything to me. ♪ feel significant symptom relief at 4 weeks with skyrizi, including less abdominal pain and fewer bowel movements. skyrizi is the first il-23 inhibitor that can deliver remission and visibly improve damage of the intestinal lining. and the majority of people experienced long-lasting remission at one year. serious allergic reactions and an increased risk of infections or a lower ability to fight them may occur. tell your doctor if you have an infection or symptoms, had a vaccine or plan to. liver problems may occur in crohn's disease. ♪ now's the time to ask your gastroenterologist how you can take control of your crohn's with skyrizi. ♪ ♪ control is everything to me. ♪ ♪ learn how abbvie could help you save. - [female narrator] five billion people lack access to safe surgery. thousands of children are suffering and dying from treatable causes. for 40 years, mercy ships has deployed floating hospitals to provide the free surgeries these children need. join us. together, we can give children the hope and healing they never thought possible. it's a mission powered by love, made possible by you. give today. hi, i'm kevin, and i've lost 152 pounds on golo. 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[applause] like that, we call a sweet spot that is needed for stable growth and lower inflation. america had the strongest growth of any major economy in the world, which is more to do. >> solid, steady job growth is how president biden described the november jobs report today, in addition to the nearly 199,000 new jobs that were added last month. the unemployment rate fell to 3.7%, which just went up over a percent over the las month after picking up 0.2% in october. these gains are outpacing inflation, which fell to 3.2%. wall street is loving it, so is your 401k. the s&p 500 is at its highest point issue today. the dow closed down over 36,000, close to its all-time record high, which is also -- the record was also during the biden presidency. all those good economic news, our american starting to feel better about the economy. well, according to the university of michigan, the answer is, yes. they reported today that there monthly consumer index rose to 69, up more than eight points from a month ago. joining us now is mark zandi, chief economist at moody's analytics. mark, good to see you, my friend. people talk about this, that the economy's, in general, are in pretty good shape. there will always be little things that we had to deal with and still have to, still a percent to get a mortgage. the economy is good. wages are up. he tweeted today, job markets performances six ordinary. lots of jobs, that fast though and plummet, 39 inflationary wage growth, rest participation and to me labor force growth. nothing in today's report suggests a recession. but people could be slow to pick up on the idea that we are in a good economy. now the michigan survey says that people are starting to get the picture. talk to me about the delay in response to a strong economy and how people feel about it. >> yeah, ali, it's a good question. there is a lot of debate in the economic community about this. my sense is that it's probably not one thing but the top of the list of things that people are paying a lot more for everything, compared to two or three years ago. staples like food, rent and gas, pretty much everything. inflation, as you pointed out, had a moderate increase in prices for the services that we buy, but that's after a period of high inflation, before big creases -- increases in prices. people are so struggling with that. if that is the right diagnosis, then inflation continues to remain low in the market. i think all the trend lines to get in that regard. i think people are steadily feel better as we move forward there, and the intercity michigan survey result that we saw in recent months is suggested that people are starting to feel a little bit better, and will feel better as we move into 2024. >> you made an interesting point about inflation. prices are not going, down there going up at a slower rate, so, look, and accept everybody uses a lot, the prices are lower than they were. for a lot of things, there is more expensive than they were two or three years ago. we are at the 0.2% on inflation at the moment. there are a lot of people that thinks that's actually in the range of okay, higher than what the fed talked about, but a lot of other places in the world saying up to the person is an open space. i won't point to people get used to the idea that witches are going up, prices are going up, but if they go up in concert, as long as wages are ahead of prices, life will be good? >> yeah, i think it is going to take time. each month that this is the case, that which growth continues to oppose the rate of inflation, real income, their purchasing power improves, they feel better. i don't think it's a game changing event. it's not going to be, like tomorrow, i wake up and feel better. it will be one of these things, overtime, people feel more comfortable, if the prices that they are paying because their wages are up, and they want people to purchase things more easily. that is not something that happens overnight. it's something 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mucinex dm. it's comeback season. russian forces are committing war crimes. it's a suppose that. it's stunning. who is prepared to walk away from holding putin accountable with this behavior. who amongst is really prepared today. i am calling on congress to do something, to do the right thing, you stand with the people of ukraine, stand against the tyranny of putin, stand for freedom. literally, stand for freedom. let's get this done. >> who is prepared to not hold vladimir putin accountable for russian war crimes in ukraine? donald trump, for one, and as republican neighbors in congress, who blocked legislation that would have provided millions for kyiv this week. that is a thing that says president biden off. the white house has warned without the release of initial funds, ukraine will likely run out of u.s. military provisions by years and, and vladimir putin knows that. today, putin announced that there will be plans to run, and quotes, for another term as president in march, which will see him in power until at least 2030. russia's military and suffered massive losses in the war, and its economy is feeling divisive western sanctions, but putin is feeling emboldened. on wednesday, putin traveled to the middle east, a rare trip out of russia, for the accused or criminal, where he received warm welcomes from saudi crown prince mohammed bin salman and the president at the uae. of course, he was safe from arrest and extradition. the following day, putin hosted the iranian president, ibrahim -- and moscow, and found that meeting, the kremlin -- to iran's leaders, who supplied many of the weapons that russia uses in ukraine. joining us now is international affairs analyst michael mcfaul, who served as the united states ambassador for 2001 to 2014. professor, it's good to see you again. the ukrainians are warning that they are in danger. the office manage -- said that there is no magic pot. if congress does not approve more funding, that's it, the funding will stop from our end. to ukraine -- how serious is this? >>, it is that serious, just as you described. if this money is not passed before the end of the year, it means that the soldiers in the trenches will have few artillery shells to fire back at the russians. it means that more ukrainian soldiers will die. if they don't pass this money, the missiles that they need for the air defense systems will be depleted. that means more ukrainian civilians will die. it is just that simple. and, you know, i get that we should have immigration reform. i am all for those debates. i'm not an expert on that but i'm glad people care about it and want to do it. but why are we tying that debate, that policy debate to something as dire and immediate as providing that assistance to ukrainian so that they do not die in the weeks and months to come. >> ambassador, you tell me that, because you are the ambassador to russia. you understand the time when this was actually mostly the domain of republicans to have an aggressive stance about russian expansionism. what is this game? what's going on, because you remember over the last two plus years, we have seen republicans who have come out and said, don't worry about all the bluster, we stand with ukraine. we will keep on providing funding. and now, we are actually in a place where there may not be additional funding by the end of the year. >> first, i just want to say it's tragic. and it's not just about ukraine. i want to emphasize this. the whole world is watching this right now, right? you already talked about vladimir putin. i watch a lot of russian tv, so you don't have to. they are cheering the republicans right now. they are laughing at us that we cannot do what we, most of us, including most members of congress, by the way, believe is in america's national interests. but it's not just in moscow, it is in tehran, it is in beijing. it is even our allies who lament that maybe we are not credible, that we cannot credibly commit to things for the long haul. so, i think there is, symbolically, this is that as well. and the real tragedy, of course, is that the last time in the u.s. congress and the house of representatives, they had a vote on ukraine, and it was 300 in support, 100 against. the vast majority of senators in the united states senate right now, including republicans, support aid to ukraine. what is happening is that they are allowing it to be politicized, they are allowing it to be linked to other issues. and that just, to me, is not advancing america's national interests. we do not have a democratic national interests and republican national interests. we have american national interests. and i hope that everybody will come to their senses next week and get this done. >> you think that that is part of the problem, that again, this feels like an obstruction? people don't understand. a point of volodymyr zelenskyy, and that is, we're actually fighting this russian expansion. and if we lose, russian expansionism winds. it doesn't necessarily end with ukraine. >> i hope people understand that because guess what? we have a lot of nato allies in the region. and if putin wins and ukraine, those allies would be threatened. and i guarantee you, we will be spending a lot more money than the 60 billion to defend our allies. we will have to send more american soldiers to those frontline states. it's just that simple. to defeat putin in ukraine, so that we don't have to be fighting against putin with our nato allies. and second, it has implications for places like china. you cannot tell me that you are tough on china and then cut aid to russia. china's closest partner and ally in the world. and if you don't believe me, go to taiwan. i was there last summer. they understand the implications of that. in other words, this is much bigger than just aid to ukraine. this has to do with american credibility all around the world. that is why, i think, it is really imperative that we get this done before the end 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the most dangerous place to be a child in the world today is gaza. that is the opening line of the latest new york times column by our next guest, nicholas kristoff. he attributes that assessment of the current humanitarian crisis and gaza to the executive director of unicef. today, one u.n. official told the guardian, gaza society was on the brink of a full blown collapse, with civil order breaking down. speaking in gaza today, a top official with the world food programme said this. >> about half of the population in gaza are starved. and the needs that we are meeting, it's really nothing. the humanitarian operation is collapsing, with the chaos, with this active fighting, it's not possible to do the work that is needed to meet the big massive needs. >> back here in the united states, officials are putting increasing pressure on israel in response to the enormous civilian casualties in gaza. yesterday, the secretary of state antony blinken told reporters that president biden had again spoken with israeli prime minister netanyahu. secretary blinken also said this. >> it is imperative, it remains imperative that we need to protect civilians. and there does remain a gap between exactly what i said when i was there, the intent to protect civilians, and the actual results that we are seeing on the ground. we continue to recognize the extraordinary difficulty of this task as israel is dealing with a terrorist adversary that embeds itself with civilians intentionally. but, again, israel has an obligation to do everything possible, to put a premium on protecting civilians. >> on capitol hill, there is growing concern that that gap between expectations and reality that secretary blinken mentioned could exacerbate some tensions over future aid to israel. today at the united nations, security council demanded an immediate humanitarian cease-fire. that was vetoed by the united states. joining us now is nicholas kristoff, pulitzer prize-winning journalist and author. he's a new york times columnist. nick, good to see you again. look, the issue that a lot of these eight workers like the world food programme we are talking about is that the danger is not just of civilians being hit by the fighting, my missiles now. it is actually a humanitarian catastrophe. there is a lack of nutrition. there is a lack of freshwater. there is outrage of diarrhea amongst young children. there is overpopulation. there is no sanitary conditions. people are just gonna die for existing not because they get hit by something. >> they will die of both. i have been in touch with a man and as i was looking after his two small children's. this is somebody who was not pro hamas, is not religious. he's a scholar. he's secular. and he and his two children were surviving by eating leaves. >> wow! >> and, you know, how long can people survive like that? there is a desperate search for water in parts of gaza. and, you know, already, we have seen a death toll that -- you know, i've covered a lot of conflicts around the world, and you rarely see -- normally, this happens over years. i mean, it's so compressed. the rate of bombing is just extraordinary. we already got twice as many kids who have died in gaza in two months of war van's died in all conflicts worldwide and all of last year. so, the toll of civilians has already been staggering. it may be about to get worse. >> this is the thing about you, you always bear witness. you always see what's going on on the ground, talking to people. but you also know the big picture, and the big picture is that there has to be some workable solution out of this. the palestinian authority has said they would like to sort of take over and administer gaza in the end, and have some sort of a durable negotiation towards a two-state solution. a lot of palestinians don't really bet that big on the palestinian authority themselves. and when chauvin netanyahu has said very clearly, that is a nonstarter. from his perspective, we don't really know what the day after looks like. how does this even end? >> absolutely, the palestinian authority, i mean, it can't even control the west bank right now. mahmoud abbas, its leader, he's been more discredited by what has been happening in gaza because he perceived, perceived as kind of voiceless. the palestinian authority has been delegitimized by the israeli policies. and right now, i mean, one of the problems is that settlers in the west bank are truly out of control. and they have been attacking palestinians, pushing them off their land, and in some cases, killing them. and so, you know, the west bank is certainly, you know, deeply upset by israel. but also, it feels like the palestinian authority has kind of abandoned it. and in any case, the palestinian authority couldn't right into gaza on the back of that israeli tank. so, i think, one central concern is who takes over if there ever is some kind of quiet establishment in gaza. >> and there are concerns growing in the united states that while israel is a major recipient, continues to be, of u.s. financial assistance and increased assistance in this particular case, there are some u.s. senators and members of congress saying, should it be unconditional if, as blinken said, they're not able to sort of manage this idea of trying to minimize civilian casualties while trying to root out hamas? >> yes, i think there are a couple of issues here. one is that as you noted earlier, u.s. officials have been a little bit more outspoken in calling on israel to reduce civilians, civilian deaths. but there hasn't really been anything behind that to enforce it. and there is still a perception in israel and in the u.s., which is fundamentally right, but the u.s. still has israel's back, even as the death toll continues to climb at these extraordinary rates. and, notably, the u.s. vetoed this year and security council resolution as every other country voted in favor of it or in the case of britain, abstained. so, you know, the u.s. is beginning to call for restraint. but there is nothing behind that. and i think the other thing that leaves people uncomfortable is the fact that we are supplying many of the munitions that are in turn killing civilians there in gaza. and everybody understands that israel has a right to respond militarily when it's attacked, when it loses so many citizens in such a brutal, tragic way. but, you know, the response is not a binary yes or no. it is on a spectrum. and you drop 2000 pound bombs, or 200 pound bombs, you level entire neighborhoods in gaza, and you take out an entire building. and what we have seen is just leveling large parts of gaza. >> you've seen a whole lot in your life and you covered a whole lot in your life, and you really brought this story into our attention in conflict after conflict. do you see some sort of end do this anytime soon? >> boy, you know, i wish i could provide some little hint of optimism. but i think that israel, you know, israel is shattered by what happened. and it is determined to destroy hamas. i don't think that's terribly realistic. i don't quite see how it's going to do that. and, you know, i think this conflict may go on for months, and the death toll will increase. i think that increases the risk of intensifying in the west bank, some kind of expansion there. and as you know, it's very unclear what happens after that. and how on earth we establish weather how we save the lives of people, i mean, there are 50,000 women in gaza who are pregnant. how do we support them? there were already five babies in incubators who died from this. so, i'm afraid it will get worse before it gets worse. >> yeah, well, nicholas, thank you for your continued coverage. we appreciate you. nicholas kristoff is an opinn columnist at the new york times. i'm gonna see you tomorrow morning, 10 am eastern, for the next ali velshi banned book club. i will be talking to the legendary offer steven chop ski, about his coming of age story, the perks 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