all here for -- >> that's an awesome show. >> yes, all here for different reasons, and we can't wait to get to it. >> i can't -- go, start it. >> thank you, alex, thank you. well it looks like a majority of americans want the truth, and that is why cassidy hutchinson's book, enough, sold out almost immediately after it was published and that is why liz cheney's book, oath and honor, is now sold out. if you look for a online, you'll get the message, temporally out stop. the publishers of trying to rush a new printing of the cheney book, so that it could be together along with cassidy obsesses book for everyone on your holiday gift list, who wasn't at the truth. cassidy hutchinson's book of course available now that the publisher has -- but here is a tip when books sell out, as both of these books did, the audio book never sells out, because the audio book is available digitally and playable on your phone, where i have all of my audiobooks. before speaker pelosi leads off our discussion tonight, let's listen to liz cheney's audiobook, describing a conversation that she had with the republican leader of the house of representatives, kevin mccarthy, at six pm, on january six, when the capitol police were finally driving the trump mob out of the capitol, and getting the building under control. >> sometime around six, i finally connected with kevin mccarthy by phone. i stepped back into the anti room behind the dais. kevin told me the plan is to go back into session as soon as it was safe. he said he would give a speech, quote about america. he said he would condemn the violence, talk about how terrible the day had been, and urge us all to come together, not as republicans or as democrats, but as americans. he said he did not plan to move forward with the objections. in that moment, i sounded like we were on the same page. i hung up with mccarthy and walk back out into the committee room. kevin's counsel, but can a car, was sitting in one of the chairs on the dais. i just talk to kevin, i told her. he says he is going to speak when we first come back into session, condemned the attack and urge us all to move forward in a unified way for the good at the country. he is going to talk about america and how we have to move beyond partisanship now. he is not going to keep objecting. makayla looked at me and said, mr. jordan just told me that he just got off the phone with kevin, and kevin told him the opposite. jordan says that kevin will carry on with the rejections. that can be right, i thought. there is no way that any leader would let these objections go on in the wake of the violent assault on the capitol. the idea was so unimaginable, and that i assumed that jordan was lying. i was wrong. it turned out that kevin was lying. >> six months later, liz cheney received the phone call that will give her a place of honor in future is their books. >> on the morning of july 1st, 2021, terry mccullough, speaker nancy pelosi's chief of staff, called my chief of staff, kara hern, to say that the speaker would like to call me. i was with my father at his doctor's appointment, when the speaker reached me. i stepped into an empty office to take the call. hello, liz? hi, madam speaker. please call me nancy, she said. she began by thanking me for my patriotism. something she would do many times over the coming months. this was my third term in congress, but i hardly knew nancy pelosi. we stood at opposite ends of the political spectrum, with very sharp policy differences. speaker pelosi moved on with the purpose of the call. the previous day, the house of representatives had approved legislation establishing the select committee to investigate the january 6th attack on the u.s. capitol. she told me she wanted a committee to begin work right away and had asked congressman bennie thompson of mississippi to be her chairwoman. he walked to the illicit the other members that she intended to ask to join the committee, and then she asked if i would be willing to serve as well. i would be honored to do so, i told her. >> hours after that call, liz cheney was at a conference table in speaker pelosi's office for the first gathering of the january six committee. all for agreeing to serve on the committee. she then turned the floor over to chairman thompson, who briefed us on plans for hiring staff and beginning to schedule our work. two things struck me as i watched jamie raskin make notes. first, i had sat in the bishop meetings with kevin mccarthy for more than two years, and not once had i seen him outline the substance of a press statement, or anything else, to anyone. in our republican meetings, it was the other way around, kevin relied on notes prepared by the staff and even the smaller gatherings. he called on staffers to explain anything that required any level of detail. second, i could not shake the feeling of being a visitor from another planet. it's hard to overstate the extent to which democrats and republicans inhabit different worlds in congress. >> and joining our discussion now is speaker nancy pelosi, thank you very much for joining us tonight. you know, as i read this book, and i saw that invitation to history, that you extended to liz cheney. i have been wondering how heavy did that telephone feel in your hand during that important call to make that a bipartisan committee? >> it was very important for it to be bipartisan. part of the conversation at that table later that liz referenced, i said, i want this to be your product, and i want it to be bipartisan. unless you need my help, your make your decisions, and that is what she thought it was another planet like, like we were on another planet from the republicans. but it was really important for us to have as much bipartisanship as possible. isn't liz cheney just a remarkable, patriotic, courageous american? i am so proud of the work that she did, as if i should be presumptuous to be proud of her work, but we all should be, because she made -- is making such a valuable contribution. >> well, she insists in the book that that contribution would not have been as important, were it not for your involvement in the work at that committee. let's listen to more of what she had to say about you in this book. >> at the heart of all of this would be my working relationship with nancy pelosi. she did not try to micro manage the work of the january six committee, but she was there whenever we needed her. over the next 18 months, every time i went to her with a concern, a proposed approach or a request that she intervene with democrats to help guide things in the right direction, she backed me up, every time. a relationship that had been unimaginable just a few months earlier would now become indispensable. >> you were the indispensable glue of that committee. >> well, i appreciate you saying that. the indispensable glue for all of us was the oath we take to our constitution, we make to our flag, the pride we take in our country. that was our coming around, and that was very unifying. >> she repeatedly goes into detail about situations where some of the house lawyers thought that maybe the committee should not pursue hard, go to subpoenas, and liz cheney wanted to push harder. she wanted to go to subpoenas, and every time, you backed up liz cheney's perspective on, this she is so impressed repeatedly in this book, which is how tough you want to do committee to be. >> well, we had a job to do. we had a narrative to present to the american people about what had happened at that time. and, again, as you talked earlier about, liz's conversation with kevin, one of the saddest things about january six, it was terrible, i'll never forgive them for the trauma that they caused many at the young staffers on capitol hill, many at the interns, and people there, idealistic, go there from a different perspective politically but all patriotically. and the trauma that they caused them. but what is really the worst part of it is that after all was said and done, after all was said and done, and we were determined to go back to the floor, and mitch mcconnell -- chuck schumer, mitch mcconnell and i were determined to go back to the floor. people said, you should do this in the auditorium or he should do it tomorrow. i said, or going today. we're going into our respective chambers, going to show the world that we are there, we are in the congress, the capitol of the united states. the sad part was that after all of, that the blood, the sweat and tears, the coup, the fear, the violence, overwhelmingly, the republicans voted not to support the work of the electoral college. they voted against democracy. that was very sad, but, again, liz was a champion, so courageous, so impressed by her, and her ideas were great, and they were consistent with -- many attempt came to some at the same conclusions about where our strongest arguments would be, but she was really quite the either of the committee, and benny thompson, he was remarkable, as well. >> this cheney records herself in the book as being surprised that kevin mccarthy was lying to her on january six. kevin mccarthy, a member of your california congressional delegation, somebody that you're familiar with, has now decided to give up and leave the congress. what will kevin mccarthy's congressional legacy be? >> let me say this, lawrence, with all due respect to you, your program and your audience, i am not here to talk about him. what we have to do is talk about the future. they have placed our democracy in jeopardy. we have to make sure that it is saved and strong, that our flag is still there, with liberty and justice for all. i'd rather just say, with another election over, let's go on to the next one. we're into the election year almost, let's talk about what is at stake. when we talk about liberty, we talk about what is at risk. what is at risk, the affordable care act, the former president already said that was his target, and that is important. people have to know, when we talk about democracy being at stake, it's your freedom to have health care. to have pre-existing conditions, not to have limits on the care that you can receive. that list goes on and on about a woman's health in terms of her reproductive freedom. let's not talk about them, let's talk about what comes next, let's give people hope. we can read the books, they're wonderful, i highly recommend them. i am writing one myself. i am sure that everyone who had anything to do that they as a version of the story there would like to tell. but our version has to be about the future. that is what we were protecting, our democracy, our future. for the children and, again, when you think about what is at stake, today, we had another shooting. and what you saw in the senate was to not even to allow the bill to discuss today, we lost norman lee here, this beautiful man, a super patriot who fought for us in world war ii, who fought for our liberty, for the american way. he made us safe, made us laugh, he made us better, so there is so much positive things, too many positive things that could be going on in our country, so many contributions that have been made, let's not talk about what, what's his name legacy, that's up to him to talk about, not me. >> i have one more question for one more what's his name, your current successor and speaker at the house who says he wants to release the video, security video from -- taken in congress on january six, but he wants to blur out the faces of everyone committing crimes. >> now, well, it's heartbreaking, when you see, what is happening there, and people should understand, this is depriving them of the truth, and the truth is what will set us free. you have to know the facts of what happened and why would he blur their faces. because he knows it is an indictment on them to see their faces. it's just not right. the impression that is given is that he is protects thing them at the expense that the police officers, a lot enforcement folks, people there to protect the congress, the capital. the free transition, peaceful transition of government, stood in the way of by these people. i heard that one of the debater said it was an inside job, it was. it was an inside job on the part of donald trump and his henchmen and the congress of the united states. >> what are the stakes for the world when they hear donald trump say he would be a dictator on day one, if he is elected president again, and what do dictators like vladimir putin hear in that statement? >> they hear a comrade in arms, but the fact is, he is not going to win. nothing less is at stake in this election then our democracy, and that democracy means your freedom to have access to health insurance, your own decision-making about your family's size and timing and the rest, your freedom to have education, read of books that aren't banned, your ability to be who you want to be in this country, so democracy is a value, a principle, but it is also translating into your kitchen table about the freedom that you have to make your choices about how your family goes forward. as far as dictators and other countries, they recognize what they see in the former president. they see somebody who shares their concern for disdain for the press. the press is the guardian of our democracy, on the first amendment, freedom of the press tells the story of what is going on, accountability, transparency, and governance in our society. they want to suppress the press, they want to characterize it in a negative way. i don't like the press i get, but that does not mean i don't like the press. sometimes, i don't like it. in any event, this message to those people, that they have a country so that was trying to crawl back into the white house, but we cannot let that happen, and i say that with all due respect in the world for the people who may have voted for the former president. but they have to make a decision, that our democracy, our flag, our constitution, the future of our children in a democratic state that is a model to the world, and when those putinized people see such a thing, they take join because they want us to not be the model for the world that america is. >> president biden today demanded that congress deliver aid to ukraine. republicans now blocking the aid. >> that is most unfortunate, because the fact is, if they think they're saving money, they're not. the ukrainians have been champions fighting for their their democracy and democracies writ large. if they were ever to lose, which is unthinkable, and we must make sure it does not happen, but if they were ever to lose, can you imagine how expensive it would be to fight putin in other countries? it's just something that is unaffordable in terms of democracy, but if you are just counting dollars, if you are just doing a green eyed shade on it, it's a false claim to say that you are going to save money. there is transparency, there is accountability, there is values, based, as well as the dollars, values based courage of the ukrainian people. i hope that this is just a few of them, many of them are very supportive of supporting ukraine and democracy there, at least that is what we see in the house. we have over 200 votes there. mitch mcconnell has been a champion for ukraine in the senate. i hope that he is not dragged down by those who don't share that view, but the fact is, they have to share the view that democracy must be saved, and the ukranians are a model to the country. in fact, they have demonstrated, frankly, that they would be good members of nato, because they have fought with our weapons, with our skills, with our training, all the rest, and they have staved off the biggest army in europe. we are now, what, almost going on two years, 21 months, and god bless them for their courage, god bless zelenskyy for the model that he is to the world. and, let's hope that this is just something for domestic consumption, that they want to hold people accountable, and that is fine, but let's get the job done and let's do it soon, and let's do it before christmas. >> i know you have seen many 24 -year-old congressional staffers at work on the hill over the years, many of them developing their careers up to the point that they become members of the house of representatives. liz cheney's book tells a story of a 24-year-old staffer in the white house, cassidy hutchinson, who told the truth to liz cheney in their investigation in such a way that liz cheney and the other members of the committee decided, that she needs a hearing of her own. that is how important this witness is. what did you feel when you saw this 24-year-old oil staffer, who had to make that decision, to stand up and tell the truth in a way that the senior people in the white house refused to do? >> we saw this young woman exude courage. imagine the courage, patriotism, truth, truth, that is such a strong thing, but she had the courage to tell that. that is not an easy thing to do. i, myself, was an employee on capitol hill, right out of college, my first year out of college, before paul and i were married. i could identify with her experience, but never with her courage. so, she has really been a gift to our country. i pray for her, because, i just think, that it was almost angelic to see her with the confidence and the clarity of message, the clear patriotism, but i will tell you, courage separates people one from the other, who has the courage to tell the story, to save our country, for the good of our democracy, for the good of our children, for the future. we thank her. we're grateful to her. it does, of course, bring tears to our eyes, to see someone so young be so courageous. again, just do the job. get the job done. >> she has been listening to you, and cassidy hutchinson will join us in a moment. speaker pelosi, thank you very much for joining us tonight. i never thank you enough. >> my pleasure, and i congratulate her on her, just her greatness, and liz, as well. thank you, lawrence. >> thank you very much. we'll be right back with cassidy hutchinson. liberty. liberty. ♪ when i was diagnosed with h-i-v, i didn't know who i would be. but here i am... being me. keep being you... and ask your healthcare provider about the number one prescribed h-i-v treatment, biktarvy. biktarvy is a complete, one-pill, once-a-day treatment used for h-i-v in many people whether you're 18 or 80. with one small pill, biktarvy fights h-i-v to help you get to undetectable—and stay there whether you're just starting or replacing your current treatment. research shows that taking h-i-v treatment as prescribed and getting to and staying undetectable prevents transmitting h-i-v through sex. serious side effects can occur, including kidney problems and kidney failure. rare, life-threatening side effects include a buildup of lactic acid and liver problems. do not take biktarvy if you take dofetilide or rifampin. tell your healthcare provider about all the medicines and supplements you take, if you are pregnant or breastfeeding, or if you have kidney or liver problems, including hepatitis. if you have hepatitis b do not stop taking biktarvy without talking to your healthcare provider. common side effects were diarrhea, nausea, and headache. no matter where life takes you, biktarvy can go with you. talk to your healthcare provider today. there's something going around the gordon home. good thing gertrude found delsym. now what's going around is 12-hour cough relief. and the giggles. the family that takes delsym together, feels better together. this holiday with a ring video doorbell, see whose coming to town. happy holidays! 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