voting for. plus, after starting the year as the newly elected house speaker, kevin mccarthy will end it as a private citizen. the former republican leader announcing he's leaving congress after one of the most tumultuous reigns in american history, so what's next? and four russian soldiers indicted in america for atrocious acts of violence in ukraine. how the doj is employing a never before used war crime legislation to try to get justice for an american who was beaten and tortured by russian troops. a lot to get to. we start with donald trump, hand add prime time opportunity to beat back growing criticism that his second term would put the u.s. on a path to a dictator ship, instead he said this. >> you are promising america tonight you would never abuse power as retribution against anybody. >> except for day one. except for day one. >> meaning? >> i want to close the border, and i want to drink -- >> that's not -- that's not -- >> drill, drill. >> that's not retribution. >> i'm going to be. i love this guy, he says you're not going to be a dictator, are you? i said no, no, no, other than day one. >> trump's refusal to deny plans to abuse his office or his power is exactly what president biden said prompted him to run for re-election and why he's made defending democracy a center piece of his campaign. on tuesday he told supporters in boston, quote, if trump wasn't running, i'm not sure i'd be running, although later in the day he adjusted making it clear he is all in. >> would you be running for president if trump wasn't running? >> i expect so, but look, he is running, and i have to run. >> would you drop out if trump dropped out? >> no, not now. >> well, that sets the stage for tonight's final republican debate with the field down to just four candidates, so each will now get what is likely their last best chance to convince a national audience that they have what it takes to take on trump and ultimately win the white house. nbc's priscilla thompson has been talking to voters in iowa. ashley parker is senior national political correspondent for "the washington post" and an msnbc political analyst. tara setmayer is a former gop communications director on capitol hill, currently senior adviser for the lincoln project. good to have you all here. so tara, the former president, when i thought of what he said, i also thought of maya angelou who says when someone tells you who they are, believe them, right? is that what you saw here happening with him last night? >> absolutely. he's been telegraphing what he plans to do for quite some time. this really isn't new. he's just become more and more brazen in the authoritarian aspirations that he has. i mean, he said he wants to tear up the constitution. he has said that, you know, that he's -- you know, that he plans retribution against people who have been against him, and i mean, he has said some really extraordinary things that should alarm every american who values their freedom in our democracy. this year -- and i'm glad to see that the media is covering this with the urgency that they should and the intensity that they should because the idea that an american former president and current candidate for president would even entertain the idea of being a dictator on day one or not because we all know, you and i both know you don't become a dictator for a day and all of a sudden decide you don't want to be one anymore. it would never stop. the idea that someone like this would be the front runner for the republican party and even have a chance at winning again should really stop every american in their tracks. we do not have time for voter apathy. there is no time for voters to complain about joe biden's age or anything else when the alternative is someone like donald trump who is backed by the majority of a major party in this country making these types of statements repeatedly many and more brazenly from the nazi rhetoric to the dictator rhetoric and not treat this with the seriousness it deserves. this is dangerous stuff here. not a laughing matter. >> sean hannity gave trump two chances to answer essentially the same question. here's the other one. >> i want to be very, very clear on this. to be clear, do you in any way have any plans whatsoever if reelected president to abuse power, to break the law, to use the government to go after people? >> you mean like they're using right now. so in the history of our country. [ applause ] what's happened to us again has never happened before over nonsense, over nothing, made up charges. i often say al capone, he was one of the greatest of all time, if you like criminals. he was a mob boss the likes of which scar face they call him, and he got indicted once. i got indicted four times. >> nonresponsive to say the least, but i mean, this is someone who said he could shoot someone on 5th avenue and, you know, still win, and some people have suggested, yeah, maybe that's true. do you think he says this stuff because he believes that's what voters want to hear, because he thinks they don't care or simply because that's really what he thinks? >> well, he -- first of all, it's worth noting that that wasn't just a softball from hannity. it was sort of the softest of soft nerf balls lobbed up quite slowly, and it should not be that difficult to disavow the idea that you would like to be a dictator on day one if you took office again. what's happening here, frankly s a fascinating dynamic, which is that former president trump is saying this because it's how he feels. it's what he believes. it's what he thinks his voters want to hear, but the people around him, a number of people in his campaign advisers, they understand that maybe not for the maga base, but for some of those voters he will need to win over to beat joe biden, that they don't like to hear this. they don't like to hear a strong man, authoritarian rhetoric. when he said he will root out his opponents like berman, that's problematic. it turns off suburban women, independents. you have this whole campaign going around saying he he doesn really mean this, that's not who he is, and then you have the candidate himself saying, actually, yes, that is who i am, and that is what i mean. >> the biden campaign, they really believe and you hear it in what we hear from the president that they think this really matters to voters. i guess maybe the outstanding question is ultimately when it comes to next november, will this campaign, as unconventional as it is, turn more on conventional things like issues, abortion, the economy? >> well, it depends. if the biden campaign has its way, they absolutely want to make this about issues, abortion and abortion rights are tremendously galvanizing for democrat, as we've seen in a number of these special and off year elections. and you talk to the biden campaign and biden white house, and they want to make sure every day they are explaining this is what a trump presidency would look like on this issue, on reproductive right, on nato, on america's role in the world. now, what the trump campaign wants to do and what their candidate wants to do as already discussed are two slightly different things, and it may come down to how disciplined they could keep him, which it's worth noting historically, he can be disciplined for stretches, but at some point, what he believes and what he wants to say and who he is always comes through. >> so tara, we also had president biden saying and raised a few eyebrows, frankly that if trump wasn't running, i'm not sure i'd be running. he kind of knew answered that a little later as we played it. then minutes ago he was asked about it again, and here's what he said. >> mr. president, do you think there is any democrat who could defeat donald trump other than you? >> probably 50 of them. >> you do believe that -- >> i'm not the only one to defeat him, but i will defeat him. >> i will defeat him, that confidence, tara, but given his approval ratings, are there likely others, maybe younger candidates who could have a better chance against donald trump? >> no, i think we need to dispense with this idea that there will be anyone other than president biden running against donald trump. short of some natural disaster with biden, he will be the candidate, and he should be. all of those others, this is wish casting. this is fantasy. at this point in the election, joe biden is the best positioned. there is a power in incumbency. there is -- he's demonstrated already that he is the only democrat that has already beaten donald trump, and the democratic party needs to rally around him unequivocally. the choice here is a binary choice between a man who we are having a discussion about wanting to be a dictator on day one versus a man who's a little older. i think the american people need to understand what's the consequences here and that there really is no moral equivalency. donald trump is not a normal candidate, and is it ideal that joe biden's 81 years old? no, it's not. but the idea that he's been a successful president, he's wise and has experience and actually happens to love our country and respect our constitution and democracy should matter. because nothing else matters, no policy position, nothing matters if donald trump wins and decides he wants to be a dictator on day one and you never have the opportunity to have a free and fair election again in america. >> okay, priscilla, let's talk about those voters. you talked to those voters, 40 days until the iowa caucuses. what are you hearing? >> reporter: yeah, chris, we spoke with a number of voters who voted for donald trump in the previous two elections including one woman as she was walking into that town hall where trump made those remarks, and we asked them why they are supporting him again for a third time. here's what some of those voters had to say. >> we need somebody like trump. he already knows what to do. he has the relationship with all the leaders of the world. >> he has done more for our country than any other president in my lifetime. >> they say he's a liar, but i think of all the people that are, you know, offered, he's the most honest of them. i'd rather have an ass in my face than a friend stab me in the back. i think that's really how i felt after the democrats were last in charge. after the democrats were last in charge . >> there you have it, a lot of folks telling us they are not tuning into the debate tonight, we are going to be in the room with dozens of voters who are going to be watching and looking to make a decision in the iowa caucus, and what we're hearing from those undecided voters is that they want to hear about the economy. they want to hear about bringing inflation down, bringing the cost of housing down, they're also concerned about foreign policy, specifically the israel hamas war and there are also folks looking to hear about things like security, medicare, crime, all of those things, and so those four candidates that will be on the debate stage have an opportunity to make an impact at least for some voters here. of course polling shows all of those candidates still trailing donald trump by so much and so really looking a lot to do in these final days before the caucus. chris! priscilla thompson, and tara setmayer, thank you. ashley parker you're going o'stick around. we're following two big stories with potentially mass political implications. the former speaker of the house said he is leaving congress. former president trump's legal trouble in georgia might just have gotten more complicated. that new report saying his former vice president is on the witness list. we'll explain in 60 seconds. list we'll explain in 60 seconds. a few years ago, i came to saona, they told me the no electricity on the island. we always thought that whatever we did here would be an emblem of what small communities can achieve. trying to give a better life to people that don't have the means to do it. si mi papá estuviera vivo, sé que él tuviera orgulloso también de vivir de esta viviendo una vida como la que estamos viviendo ahora. es electricidad aquí es salud. former house speaker kevin mccarthy is leaving congress before his term is up and just two months after he was ousted as speaker. here's part of his announcement. >> but now it is time to pursue my passion in a new arena. while i'll be departing the house at the end of this year, i will never ever give up fighting for this country that i love so much. >> so when he leaves in just a couple of weeks, it shrinks an already slim republican majority, which just shrunk to three seats after the expulsion of george santos. nbc capitol hill correspondent ryan nobles is covering this for us. look, the margin for the republican majority in the house could get down eventually, who knows, one or two vote, and the party has a brand new speaker. talk about what the buzz is on the hill, mht change the power dynamics. >> reporter: well, there's no doubt, chris, that this makes the job of governing for the new house speaker mike johnson that much more difficult. there was already a sense that job was pretty difficult to begin with, the difference between a four seat majority or two seat majority or one seat majority if congressman bill johnson of ohio leaves in the new year as well. does that fundamentally change the landscape of these big issues they're fighting over? the funding package for ukraine and israel, the long-term spending bill. it's likely that any of those potential pieces of legislation would require 100 democrats to get over the finish line anyway. where the real rub is going to be for speaker mike johnson are these kind of internal republican debates that they're having a hard time coalesing around, if they want to send a messaging bill to the senate about some of their current funding battles. they've had a hard time passing basic republican only appropriation bills. then of course is the growing effort to impeach president joe biden. they are talking about an impeachment inquiry vote next week. they can't afford to lose very many republican votes. only three republican votes to get an impeachment inquiry authorized. just in the last hour they've announced they will move to contempt of congress of hunter biden, the president's son if he doesn't show up for his deposition next week, which is scheduled. they can't get a contempt of congress vote unless they have virtually every single republican on board. so you know, kind of the bigger, larger fights, the ones that have substance tied to them, these margins may not matter that much. it's these incremental messaging issues that republicans are going to have a harder time with in the new year the more they lose members, which seems to be happening now on a regular basis. >> all of which means don't expect to get much sleep in the coming months, ryan noble, thank you so much for that. we've also got that big breaking news in the 2020 georgia election interference case against former president donald trump. his former vice president, mike pence, has reportedly been added to the witness list by prosecutors. this is according to cnn citing multiple sources familiar with court documents that remain under seal. with me now, former federal prosecutor msnbc legal analyst glenn kirschner. okay, glenn, how important of a witness could former vice president pence be in this georgia case. >> you know, chris, really important on both donald trump's criminal acts and perhaps even more importantly on donald trump's criminal intent. so first of all, mike pence has said at public gatherings and in media interviews the georgia election was not stolen, and i had no right to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election. that will be some really important testimony for a georgia grand jury to hear, but chris, probably even more importantly, mike pence has said things in media interviews and he has put in his book a statement that he attriings to donald trump. he talks about how when donald trump was waging this relentless pressure campaign trying to convince him, mike pence, to essentially corruptly throw donald trump the election, refuse to certify the electors for joe biden, he said that donald trump said to him once it became clear that mike pence would not go along with donald trump's corrupt scheme, donald trump said to him, you know what your problem is, mike? you're too honest. that is evidentiary gold on the corrupt intent front because it shows that donald trump knew what he was asking mike pence to do required dishonesty, and that is some important testimony for those georgia jurors once they are impanelled, once donald trump is in trial, some important testimony for them to hear. >> we know, glenn, that trump has gone after pence in other cases repeatedly slamming him on social media. he's called him delusional. he said he's not a very good person. i mean, there's currently no gag order in the georgia case, but could this be troubling for him if the attacks continue? is this something that could be considered witness intimidation? >> oh, it certainly could, the devil's in the details, and as of right now, there are some conditions of release that donald trump is laboring under in georgia. he's not permitted to threaten, harass, and intimidate witnesses, and he has been somewhat silent with respect to the witnesses against him in georgia. maybe suggesting that he can actually abide by conditions of release and gag orders, but it looks like mike pence when push came to shove, chris, he stood up and did the right thing pretty much each and every time. he certified joe biden's rightful election win. he appeared before the grand jury in washington, d.c., and we have to believe testified honestly about the crimes of donald trump, and he has said repeatedly we will comply with the rule of law and with subpoenas so assuming he is subpoenaed to appear as a witness in the georgia rico prosecution, i think we need to take him at his word because for all of his faults, he has stood up and done the right thing when push came to shove. >> i want to play for you sort of the result of that, what the january 6th committee learned about the trump/pence relationship in the final days of the trump presidency. here it is. >> so as i was dropping off the note, my memory, i remember hearing the word wimp. either he called him a wimp. i don't remember if he said you are a wimp. you'll be a wimp. wimp is the word i remember. >> it was a different tone than i'd heard him take with the vice president before. >> something to the effect this is the wording's wrong, i made the wrong decision four or five years ago. >> trump we know prizes loyalty. he considers mike pence to be disloyal. pardon his question from my vast studying of law and order television show, is this something you think that could influence what we hear from pence, is there such a thing as trump's lawyers saying he's a hostile witness? >> you know, i think there's an argument that mike pence is a hostile witness or will be viewed by the defense as a hostile witness. why? because donald trump on the front end relentlessly pressured mike pence to violate the law, to join donald trump's corrupt conspiracy to commit offenses against the united states and defraud the united states, which is one of the charges that trump now stands convicted of federally. and donald trump has continued to attack mike pence. so there's an argument to be made by the defense on cross examination of mike pence that you're just saying all these horrible things about our client donald trump because he said horrible things about you. the nice thing is mike pence will be able to fall back on the record, both the way he acted and conducted himself on january 6th. he wouldn't even leave the building, the capitol until the vote ultimately was certified, and everything he told jack smith in the grand jury. that transcript will be available and when donald trump's lawyers attack mike pence when he's testifying in the georgia case, they will be able to use that transcript to rehabilitate mike pence or meet the force of the impeachment that trump's lawyers are trying to level against mike pence. >> glenn kirschner, thank you, we'll see you in a few minutes. first, fighting is intensifying in the heart of khan yunis in gaza. a former supreme allied commander in nato joins us to talk about one of the most consequential battles in the israel-hamas war so far. you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc. you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc e*trade from morgan stanley. whenever you're hungry, there's a deal on the subway app. buy one footlong, get one 50% off in the subway app today. now that's a deal worth celebrating. man, what are you doing?! get it before it's gone on the subway app. ♪♪ ♪ limu emu & doug ♪ [bell ringing] and doug says, “you can customize and save hundreds on car insurance with liberty mutual.” he hits his mark —center stage— and is crushed by a baby grand piano. are you replacing me? 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>> reporter: apocalyptic is probably a good word, chris. the dynamic here is that you have most of the population of gaza now concentrated in the south, and you also have some of the most intense fighting of the entire war happening in the south. i spoke to a man in khan yunis earlier today. he said he was hearing artillery, hearing machine gunfire outside of his house. there are 30 members of his household crammed into one three-bedroom apartment, and they're facing the same agonizing choice as everybody else. do they go further south, flee their homes and try to get to safety. do they remain in their homes, risk being encircled by the israeli military. he says at this point going south feels like a leap into the unknown. they simply do not know if they will have shelter, if they'll have food. if they'll have water when they get down there. the u.n. is saying there is nowhere near enough aid getting into gaza and there is nowhere near enough fuel to distribute what little aid is getting in. now, the israeli military says the reason they're focusing on khan yunis is because that is where hamas's leaders are hiding having fled from gaza city. israeli troops today surrounding the house, that the hamas leader in gaza, he fled that house weeks ago, chris. he's presumed to be in the tunnels underneath the city. the prime minister benjamin netanyahu is pointing to it as a symbol of the fact that israeli forces can now strike anywhere inside of gaza. chris. >> well, all of that is going on, we are getting new audio that was leaked. it was from an intense meeting between the israeli war cabinet and recently released hostages just yesterday. tell us about that. >> reporter: yeah, chris, this is really striking. these are hostages who got out of gaza last week and last night they were sitting face to face with the israeli prime minister, and as you'll hear in a second, this was a fiery confrontation. nbc news has confirmed the -- we verified that these clips did come from last night's meeting. i want to play you a little bit about it, and then we can talk about it. take a listen. >> chris, you can hear the anger in that woman's voice and the meaghe government to understand is that time is running out for those 130 or so remaining hostages inside gaza. as we've been talking about, chris, many of them were wounded on october 7th. many of them have pre-existing health conditions. they have been getting little food, and the families are telling the government they need to get out now, and one of the things that we're hearing from the families that they're so frustrated about is they feel like they understand the shape of a deal that will bring their loved ones home. it involves releasing probably thousands of palestinian militants from israeli jails and they are saying to the government make that deal now, bring our loved ones back. chris. >> raf sanchez, thank you for that. joining me now is retired admiral james stavridis, the msnbc chief international analyst and former supreme allied commander of nato. ashley parker is back with us as well. let me pick up there if i can, admiral because it's heartbreaking. you can't even imagine. first of all, you're held hostage. you're released. how joyous can you be if other members of your family have left behind and you have that trauma. what about a deal that would allow the release, frankly, of thousands of palestinian hostages. we just heard from benjamin netanyahu forcefully yesterday, they are not going to back down until they believe hamas is eliminated. are those two things by nature 1000% diametrically opposed? >> well, they're certainly opposed but if you kind of did them one after the other it's conceivable to me that you could have a hostage negotiation? i think it was very close to another tranche of hostages coming out. worth noting that that deal cratered because hamas refuses to release the young women between 20 and 30 who were captured at that rave concert, presumably -- and we hear this from our own state department -- because they have truly horrific stories to tell about the sexual violence. so let's kind of park that thought, but the point is, could you have further negotiation? yes, i think you could. once that negotiation is done, i think israel is going to continue its activities in gaza until they really eliminate the top leadership of hamas, very difficult to see those things happening in parallel, perhaps they could be done in series, chris. >> so what, admiral, do you make of netanyahu's comments that no matter how long it takes israel will retain open-ended security control of gaza. he doesn't want any kind of international presence. >> i think that's unrealistic as follows. first of all, the israeli public does not want to own and operate the security in gaza. i think the polls in israel are pretty clear on that. number two, the international community is going to create a real series of sanctions throughout israel, i think, if they try and do that. and number three, militarily, that's just a hard problem that would absorb almost entirely israel's military, and they've still got larger threats looming. for example, from hezbollah in the north, from tehran itself, so i think it's unrealistic for him to take such a maximalist position. eventually there's going to be other security arrangements made. >> ashley, what type of predicament does that put the biden administration in? are they prepared to support israel for the long haul? or can they still influence what happens after the war? >> well, what they have been saying is that they are exerting a lot of pressure privately, and you are seeing some of that more recently including in vice president harris's comments recently, break open into the public. to answer your first question, it puts the biden administration and president biden in an incredibly difficult situation because as raf's very good report just showed, this is a devastating conflict for all involved, and you are seeing these fissures in the democratic party between people who are calling for a cease fire, people who want him to totally, forcefully support israel, and you're seeing that break down along age lines, along demographic lines in a way that sort of fractures the democratic coalition at a time -- and again in a way when biden cannot afford it. there's rare dissent in his administration, this letter that a number of interns just signed. there have been other meetings. there have been other letters. this is not just an actual problem. it is a devastating actual problem first and foremost, but it is also a political problem in an election year in what will be a close election when president biden cannot afford a political problem. >> so admiral, we did hear from president biden just in the last hour, and he got pretty heated really telling congress they need to pass funding for ukraine. here's what he said. >> frankly, i think it's stunning that we've gotten to this point in the first place. while congress and republicans in congress are willing to give putin the greatest gift he could hope for and abandon our global leadership, not just in ukraine, but beyond that. >> reporter: is he right, admiral? is this exactly what putin, not just doesn't want but he's actually been holding out for? >> absolutely, and oh, by the way, where is putin today? he's in the middle east. he's meeting with the leaders of first the uae. he'll go to the kingdom. he clearly wants to take advantage of this in the broadest geopolitical sense to undermine ukraine but also to enhance his own position. the congress ought to step up, get that aid passed, in my view both to israel, but most dire need is ukraine. ultimately, israel will prevail militarily over hamas, a terrorist organization. ukraine without help from the united states and from europe, by the way, who are carrying this about 50/50 with us, without that aid, putin does have a chance at prevailing militarily. that would be a disaster in so many different ways. >> admiral james stastavridis, always terrific to have you on the program. ashley parker, thanks so much for sticking around, appreciate it. a major announcement at the justice department today, for the first time ever, the u.s. has filed charges under the war crimes statute related to russia's invasion of ukraine. you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc. sing reports" only on msnbc what is — wow! sinex. breathe. ahhhhhh! as americans, there's one thing we can all agree on. the promise of our constitution and the hope that liberty and justice is for all people. but here's the truth. attacks on our constitutional rights, yours and mine are greater than they've ever been. the right for all to vote. reproductive rights. the rights of immigrant families. the right to equal justice for black, brown and lgbtq+ folks. the time to act to protect our rights is now. that's why i'm hoping you'll join me today in supporting the american civil liberties union. it's easy to make a difference. just call or go online now and become an aclu guardian of liberty. all it takes is just $19 a month. only $0.63 a day. your monthly support will make you part of the movement to protect the rights of all people, including the fundamental right to vote. states are passing laws that would suppress the right to vote. we are going backwards. but the aclu can't do this important work without the support of people like you. you can help ensure liberty and justice for all and make sure that every vote is counted. so please call the aclu now or go to my aclu.org and join us. when you use your credit card, you'll receive this special we the people t-shirt and much more. to show you're a part of the movement to protect the rights guaranteed to all of us by the us constitution. we protect everyone's rights, the freedom of religion, the freedom of expression, racial justice, lgbtq rights, the rights of the disabled. we are here for everyone. it is more important than ever to take a stand. so please join us today. because we the people means all the people, including you. so call now or go online to my aclu.org to become a guardian of liberty. 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>> chris, this ground breaking indictment accuses four soldiers acting on behalf of russia in ukraine, two officers and two enlisted soldiers of brutally abusing an american civilian in a village in southern ukraine in april 2022. it says they took him from his home and unlawfully confined him for at least ten days. and it says that during that time they allegedly tortured him with beatings and mock executions. now, u.s. officials interviewed the american after he left ukraine and then the fbi and the department of homeland security said about trying to corroborate his account, and they were able to identify the officers by name, although not the enlisted soldiers. and nonetheless, this indictment shows that the u.s. has a long reach when it comes to war crimes, and attorney general merrick garland said this is only the beginning. he says the justice department continues to investigate allegations of war crimes against russians in ukraine and also against hamas in connection with the october 7th attack in israel. take a listen to attorney general merrick garland. >> the justice department and the american people have a long memory. we will not forget the atrocities in ukraine and we will never stop working to bring those responsible to justice. >> now, these defendants are not in custody, chris, but the u.s. also has a long memory in terms of capturing fugitives. these russian officers who are identified won't be able to travel anywhere that has an extradition agreement with the united states, chris. >> let's do a little reality check here. how likely is it that these four soldiers might ever see a courtroom? >> not very likely that they will see the inside of a u.s. courtroom. that doesn't mean this wasn't an important step. i'm not going to call it just a symbolic step. but this is literally unprecedented, this war crime statute has not been used previously by the department of justice. it's not unusual for doj to bring cases t call extraterritorial ces when u.s. citizens are the victims of crime abroad, bs is the first time this kind of a case, when a u.s. citizen was a victim of a war crime abroad, but two important points that should temper our expectations, one, we don't have an extradition or treaty agreement with russia, so it's very difficult to extradite people from russia, and second, and perhaps more importantly, given that the department of justice made the decision to unseal this indictment and reveal these names publicly to me, chris, this suggests that whatever covert methods they may have been trying to use to get their hands on these people, bring them to the united states so they could stand trial have perhaps been exhausted, and so that's probably part of the reason they decided to unseal this indictment now. >> glenn kirschner, ken dilanian, thank you, gentlemen, appreciate it. relentless rain and widespread flooding in washington state, it got to be so bad the coast guard had to send in helicopters to save people who were trapped in their cars. our meteorologist is standing by with an update on this atmospheric river. you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc. ansing reports" only on msnbc the subway series is taking your favorite to the next level! like the #20. the elite chicken and bacon ranch. built with rotisserie-style chicken and double cheese. i love what i'm seeing here. that's some well-coached chicken. you done, peyton? 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>> we have been waiting for where the storms will be. everybody thinks of el nino, the devastation we have seen in california, especially the one in 1997. this is set up over the northwest. a huge storm last week and this one on top of it was too much for a lot of the rivers. some of these will be expiring later today, and a bunch later on tonight. it's all of these maroon colors. some of the ones that had record crests yesterday have come down. now we're starting to do the recovery and the cleanup efforts. a lot of the ones south of seattle here, down towards border with oregon, and the rivers are cresting as we speak. some additional damage is being done now. then by tonight, all the rivers will come back down. it's still pouring from portland southwards, this is all rain. it's light rain now in washington state. that's why our rivers are recovering. as we head into california, you're getting into the mix too, especially northern california, an additional 1 to 2 inches expected. they won't be as bad as the one we just dealt with. everyone wants to know, the big storm that caused all the problems, how is it going to go across the country, and who is it going to hit the worst. by the time we get to friday, quiet, east of the rockies, in the rockies, we're going to get snow out of this. it gets a little stronger, pretty warm. we're going to have near record highs. that means we're going to have enough instability for thunderstorms, maybe even a few strong thunderstorms, memphis, birmingham, montgomery, as we head towards nashville. on the backside of this, a little bit of snow. a windy, wild sunday for the eastern sea board as the rain sweeps through. it will be 60 degrees as far north as northern new england in december, but then the cold front will go through with the rain, snow on the backside. christmas decorations will be flying around in many places on the east coast. >> i keep mine indoors. >> smart. bill karins, appreciate it. 2023 is officially cemented as the taylor swift era. "time" magazine announcing the person of the year, beating out king charles iii, fed chair jerome powell and the prosecutors who brought charges against the former president. this is what editor and chief at "time" told my colleagues on the "today" show this morning. >> we picked a choice, representing joy, bringing light to the world. someone who has taken her own story and made it big enough for everyone. i don't think there's anyone who's moved so many people so well as taylor swift did in 2023. >> swift is the first entertainer to get the title in its 96 years of existence, and also only the fourth solo person of the year who was born in the last 50 years. but it's pretty easy to see why. not only was swift the most streamed artist in the world on spotify this year. her era's tour boosted the u.s. economy. the swift gold rush increased revenue for hotels and cities across the country. according to the u.s. travel association, her total economic impact likely exceeded $10 billion just by september alone. plus, her eras tour movie brought in more than $250 million at the box office. i don't know how much popcorn was sold. and that's not even mentioning how she boosted the ratings for nfl football. prediction, expect a sales boost for "time" magazine which has produced three different covers. for swifties, you just can't get enough taylor. still to come in the next hour of "chris jansing reports," a suspect is in custody linked to a deadly spree of attacks in texas. what we know about the high speed chase to catch him. plus, we'll talk to democratic senator, martin heinrich about his new bill to count down on gun violence. why he says it's a totally different approach to the problem than we have ever seen before. m than we have ever seen before ♪ (mom) please forgive him. 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