all in with chris hayes starts now. >> tonight, on all in. >> you look at what i'm trump is trying to do, you can't do it by himself. he has to have collaborators. the story of mike johnson is a story of a collaborator. >> i collaboration is happening in plain sight. >> we have to blur some of the faces of persons who participated in the events of that day because we don't want them to be retaliated against. and to be charged by the doj. >> tonight, speaker of the house announces plans to help january six rioters escape justice. then, martin gellman on trump's stated plans to use the power of the presidency to evade justice and punish enemies. plus, emergency meeting on florida to replace a republican party chairman of amid disturbing rape allegations. and how one senator's crusade against aircraft carrier poetry just came to a bizarre and. >> we are so woke in the min military. we've got people doing pawns on aircraft carriers over the land loudspeaker. >> when all in starts, right now. >> good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. the first notifications for jury duty have gone out. what is arguably the most important criminal trial in history of democracy. john allen goes hand to what looks like a form for prospective jurors in donald trump's federal election interference trial to begin march 4th of next year, just a few months from now. he has potential jurors of they will be able to attend, quote, five days a week for a period of approximately three months, starting on that date. and it tells them to prepare for more detailed series of questions, starting with february. the person to receive the summons told nbc news the document does not refer to trump by name, based on the days and the length of the trial, you can easily infer what is regarded. both sides in that trial are preparing with legal funds that give some indication the cases they will present, again, in this trial it's gonna happen in three months, according to one recent filing trump's lawyers are apparently going to try to confuse and hoodwink and misdirect the jury with all kinds of ludicrous and debunked conspiracy theories. they are seeking, for example, all documents regarding ray apps or any similar persons who encourage or participated in any new activities and generous ex. ray epps is a january 6th insurrectionists who is accused of being an undercover government agent. fox repeated that line so often me that epps, who pleaded guilty to insurrectionist charges, is now suing the network. bizarrely, the trump campaign is now seeking documents to jon nichols. yes, the longtime well-known liberal journalist from the nation, colleague and friend of mine for decades who, you may remember, from his many appearances on the show. i have to admit, this one was most even me and i do cover the stuff for a living and i read about it all day long, every day. apparently some january six conspiracy theorists believe that john, john nichols, who was in wisconsin on january 6th, not in d.c., appeared at the capitol in order to trick trump supporters into ransacking the place to make them look bad. they have a nickname for him and they think they've identified him on the scaffold. that is the caliber of argument you can expect from the trump legal team. false flag from jon nichols of the nation. bottom of the barrel conspiracy theory. prosecutors special counsel jack smith office said they want to make trump's previous lies about me -- the false claims about the 2012 in 2016 elections are admissible because they demonstrate the defendants common plan of falsely blaming fraud for election resulted as alike as well as his motive, intent, and plan to obstruct the certification of the 2020 election results and illegitimately retain power. the prosecutors also write, quote, the government plans to introduce evidence that trial showing that in the year since the january 6th attack on the capital, the defended his openly and proudly supported individuals who criminally participated in obstructing the count that day, including by suggesting that he will pardon them if reelected, even at as he has conceded that he had the ability to influence their actions during the attack. what's interesting here is that in many ways trump's planned legal arguments are the affirmation of the last point from jack smith. they are indisputably part of the years-long campaign by trump to defend an excuse a violent and criminal insurrectionists who stormed the capitol on january 6th. in this case by putting the blame on somebody else. now this idea that january 6th was a false flag started popping up almost immediately after the attack when people who are supporters of trump had to figure out how to defend an indefensible set of actions. the path of least resistance, ideologically, is to blame the whole thing on the left, to say it was really antifa or, i guess, jon nichols. in fact, just days after the insurrection, trump was already brimming left-wing monitoring protesters. he said antifa was really responsible for the attack, which kevin mccarthy about people responded, quote, it's not antifa, it's marga. i know. i was there. again, so ludicrous it's almost comical, but it's part of an actual real life authoritarian culture created to get permission structure to its followers so they can engage in political violence. it's not just trump. the most powerful republican country, the man who was second in line to the presidency they speak to tonight, speaker of the mike johnson, made a shocking announcement today about the release of raw footage from inside the capital on january 6th. >> house republicans trust the american people to draw their own conclusions. they should not be dictated by some narrative, so they can review the tapes themselves and we're going to have a methodical process of releasing them as quickly as you can. as you know we have to blur some of the faces of persons who participated in the events of that day because we don't want them to be retaliated against and to be charged by the doj and to have other, you know, concerns and problems. >> did you get all that? a lot to unpack. first, when he says republicans trust the american people to draw their own conclusions and not just be spoonfed a narrative about january 6th, he is quite explicitly feeding the conspiracy theories. the people that want this footage released by house republicans want it released because they want to find a hidden federal agents. so the intended audience understands the message loud and clear. but more unbelievable, is the open admission, in front of cameras, said out loud to the nation, that house republicans, the senior house republican, is actively running cover for a criminal insurrectionists. people who in full view of the public, with no expectation of privacy in the nation's capital, stormed said capitol, in some cases of police officers, an attempted a violent coup. but we can show their faces because the -- white really gives away the game is the subsequent halfhearted attempt to walk those comments back after a significant public outcry. johnson's spokes person, raj shah, who is a previously spokesperson at the trump white house, quote, faces are to be blurred from public viewing room footage to prevent all forms of retaliation against private citizens from any non governmental actors actors. to be clear, that is not what the speaker actually said. take a listen. >> as you know, we have to blur some of the faces of persons who participated in the events of that day, because we don't want them to be retaliated against and to be charged by the doj and to have other concerns and problems. >> and to be charged with the doj. snatches, get stitches. we can't have people finding and identifying insurrectionists. those are our people. we don't want them arrested. we don't them charge by the doj. we want them out free. ready to do whatever they need to do, again. all of this is in further and have the same objectives, to protect and excuse a violent mob that attacked the capitol and that is now the official position for mike johnson slips to your ears, the most powerful republican in washington and the republican party as a whole. the simultaneous ludicrous believe the january 6th was a false flag but also was good, that it happened, rioters need to be protected, because as liz cheney, former vice chair of the geniuses committee pointed out to nicole wallace today, and helps to protect the man to encourage them, good them, to storm the capitol in the first place. >> i think this is a situation where you have the republican party actively trying to ensure the people, trying to ensure to, whitewash what happened on the sixth, to collaborate with the former president. i think that's a really important point because the threat that he poses wouldn't be so significant if people heard on the right thing, had said no, it's not who we are. but instead there's obviously this embrace of him, this collaboration with the very damaging efforts he's undertaken. >> coming up on three years since the insurrection. in that time trump in his enablers have made their position about that a clear. the only question remaining is, will he be allowed to finish the job he started three years ago? tim albert is a staff writer at the atlantic, author of brand-new book, the kingdom, the power, in the glory, american evangelicals in an age of extremism. i'm a fugitive that available to the landeck. this is a publisher of the bulwark, and they both join me now. tim, let me start with you. you write incredibly compellingly and personally about the trajectory of american evangelical faith and politics. perhaps the latter catalyzing the former, in ways. here's mike johnson, product of the movement you grew up, in your fathers and evangelical pastor. my mommy shark bar was high, but him saying we're gonna blow the faces, that was shocking to me. how about you? >> one of these things, chris, we are sharking perhaps but not surprising. one of the things i try to explore in the book is this idea that for all of the externalized threats as many conservative even jellicoe's we'll see the culture coming for them, the government coming for them, the secular left coming for them, that there is an internal threat here as well. the internal threat specifically in this context is those christian conservatives who are not willing to rally around trump, not willing to, as liz cheney said, collaborate. so here is mike johnson who, one of his early knit missed litmus tests here in the eyes of many maga devotees, is are you willing to not only defend the president but are you willing to go on offense? >> collaborator formatively. >> obviously we know as a matter of fact that many of the house republicans and senate republicans in the two months between november 5th and january 6th, we know that most of them knew that the election wasn't stolen. we know that they went along with this to appease donald trump. but they told their voters at home one thing even while they knew the truth privately. this is another instance where the speaker is signaling to these folks, where is he and his folks internally, they recognize that this is an entirely different thing. >> sarah, you do a lot of work trying to republicans across the spectrum of conservatism. i hold out hope, and i think it's empirically grounded, that there still is a chunk of the republican party that finds this stuff offensive and creepy. like we're going to blur the faces so they don't get arrested. maybe i'm wrong, but what do you think when you hear that out of the voice of the number one most powerful republican in the government? >> i find it terrible. that was him trying to obstruct justice. >> yes. >> the republican party, the way that voters have internalized much of the january 6th staffed, there is a narrative narrative stage in the way that these arguments take place. you are getting in this before. they start with we didn't do it. it was antifa. and then they move to okay we did it but what about -- ? they're using the word about this. what about black lives matter? wiser to two justices from? and then we were move into the phase now was heck yeah we did it and it was good and we are the victims here. so now you're in this moment of victimization where they are being weaponized against in they're actually going to be seen as heroes. i think the mainstream republican position is more this was an unfortunate day. it's bad that it happened. but it wasn't trump's fault and the media has overblown this. i would say that's the broad position. but there is a, the narrative that they tried to stand, is the sort of stages we're right now they take umbrage. they are the victims in this situation. that's where mike johnson is. >> this is an important part of the theme of the book, and you see it here, the perpetual aggrieved, perpetually the victim. these folks stormed the capitol. they made affirmative decisions about how they wanted to conduct their lives. but we are always put upon. we're always being picked on. we are the victims. we are so persecuted. because of that everything that we do is justified. >> desperate times call for desperate members in the eyes of a lot of these folks. the prosecution complex. this is where a lot of folks don't understand if you have been marinating and language around persecution for generations, and really language around eventual cosmic clash of good versus evil and the good god fearing christians in this country against regardless secularists are gonna come for them, this is animating the thinking of those involved. when trump comes out and says christianity will have power if you like me, joe biden will hurt guard if you elect him, and i will be a retribution against the deep state, he's speaking directly to that prosecution complex in ways that are very difficult for folks outside of the tradition to appreciate understand. >> it's obviously resident. obviously your point about mike johnson's first litmus test. he didn't have to do any of that. sometimes politicians, sarah, you are put in a position, put in a spot, and it's, like which side are you on? you have to vote one way on this. you have to vote one way. johnson's affirmatively gonna release, affirmatively saying we're gonna blow the faces, we're gonna put in the labor to obstruct the investigation into the perpetrators here. that is putting his shoulder to the wheel. that's not him against a wall. >> three or four months ago we had never heard of the sky. notice. we do know that much about him but now that we do, it has become clear this is somebody who was trying to work with donald trump to overturn the election. this guy is a true believer in many different cases of the words, but he thinks the election was stolen. he was trying to defend donald struck trump. he believes the people who charge the capitol on january 6th, they are victims, he has to protect them. he is so internalized this idea that there is a deep state and a weaponized department of justice that he clearly forgot, when he was making those statements, and he has an obligation to the rule of law, an obligation to help law enforcement officials help prosecute people who have broken the law. he seems to have no sense of that whatsoever, only that partisan, that sort of deep partisan sense of i have to protect my own. >> that's really what it comes down to. that's what's so dangerous. sarah longwell, tim alberta, tim's book which is excellent, you can read an excerpt in the atlantic. it is out as of today. tim, thanks a lot. coming up, he already tried overthrow the u.s. government once. there's every reason to believe he's going to do it again, mostly because he tells us. the continued threat, next. ued threat, next >> chase. make more of what's yours. i have moderate to severe crohn's disease. now, there's skyrizi. ♪ things are looking up, i've got symptom relief. 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can actually carry out in a second term. barton gellman, dapper staffer atlantic, joins me now. the top line point you make, that we've talked about in the show, we can't forget the fact that the man is literally running for this term. and we're easy to see it in the abstract, he 78 years old, but he could end up in prison. that's not an insane idea. what prison would look like with secret service and but like that's a real thing. he's really scared about. he it is motivating, i think more than anything, the run and desire for power. >> i think there are people who console themselves with the idea that maybe he will already be convicted in one of the cases obtained by the time the election comes around so they've got him. but that is not what's going to happen. even if he does get convicted, in the d.c. case, the only one that looks likely to run its course before the election, the case will be on appeal. >> yes. when >> when the time comes that it's inauguration day. i