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damages and whether trump in his two sons can every run a business again in new york. trump is expected to take the stand as the final witness on december 11th with closing arguments scheduled for january the 11th. that is just four days before the iowa caucus. and then, this second defamation lawsuit from e. jean carroll. that trial begins january 15th, the very same day as the iowa caucus. and here is where the problems begin. because it is one thing for voters to go to the polls and know the outcome of the civil fraud trial. at least, we hope we will know by then. but standing with this defamation suit, voters are going to be casting ballots without knowing whether donald trump is guilty or liable of the charges against him. trump is facing 91 felony charges across for criminal cases, and none of them will be anywhere near completed by the time -- voters got to the polls. -- that's just one day before super tuesday. but that point, republicans will have allocated 47% of their delegates. later that month, march 25th, trump's hush money case begins in new york. and by that time, 71% of the delegates in the gop presidential primary race will have been a lot it. and on may 20th, a federal classified documents trial is supposed to begin in south florida. more than 80% of primary delegates will be divvied up by then. you see where we're going with this, right? that means before these cases are even hard, and certainly before these cases are even adjudicated, republican voters will be plainly supporting a man who may, by the end of it all, be found guilty on as many as 91 criminal charges, and even more civil charges. is one more case that we haven't even mentioned yet, and that is the georgia election interference case. that trial could get underway on august 5th, meaning it would almost certainly continue beyond the actual 2024 election day. and of course, the ex president isn't pleased with that. his team argued late this week that to go forward with this case so late in the election cycle is tantamount to election interference. what's more, trump's attorney argues that if trump wins in 2024, the trial should be postponed until he leaves the white house in 2029. regardless of the timeline, fulton county district attorney, fani willis, told nbc news that she'll be in the courtroom early, and often for trump's r.i.c.o. case. >> as the district attorney, the oath i take is to keep people safe. and so it's always going to be important to the district attorney, in any matter, when i feel like a witness or a co-defendant or anyone in this jurisdiction is threatened. i don't know why anyone would find it surprising to see district attorney willis in a courtroom. >> what we see you again and other hearings before this case goes to trial? >> you know everything today -- every day brings something different. i don't know. >> beyond willis's promises here, what's much bigger is this growing problem for the american electorate. for our democracy. we almost certainly have a republican presidential nominee who is in the midst of multiple criminal trials. but we could also, come election day 2024, not know the outcomes of one if not more of these trials. and how can the american people be expected to cast their votes without knowing the guilt or the innocence of the man for which they are voting? here to discuss this is -- lincoln project senior advisor in gop communication director. paul butler, msnbc legal analyst, former prosecutor and -- and eugene daniels, msnbc political contributor and white house reporter and coauthor of political's playbook. great to have you three with us. paul, i'll start with you. there's never been an american in the situation that donald trump finds himself in right now. certainly, even as a country, let alone as a political figure, he's a person cruising to the republican nomination. he is facing major legal challenges from seemingly every angle. we, as the voters, will not know his legal status by the time we start casting our ballots. and so, it just -- it is a perplexing moment for our legal system, in what the role of the legal system is here. >> yeah, so the federal election interference -- [inaudible] this only four counts. contrast that with the ableist's r.i.c.o. case, which started out with 19 defendants in 41 counts. but that case could still be number two. that's because judge cannon's low key slow walking the mar-a-lago documents case, and d.a. bragg's said his manhattan prosecution can wait until after the federal trials. so ayman, i think the most important development will be the appeals court ruling about the gag order in the federal election interference case. if trump loses, he will certainly appealed to the supreme court. if the supreme court takes that case, that could have a huge impact on the trial date, which is now scheduled for march 4th. i don't see how the supreme court could decide this case on the merits by then, which would mean that that trial would have to be -- and that raises the possibility, eamonn, of trump being on trial during the republican convention -- next fall in either fulton county or the district of columbia. >> paul, correct me if i'm wrong here, and there's so many different legal scenarios that can play out in all of these political trials, i think it's safe to say all of them will be unprecedented. but one thing -- what happens if in the georgia fulton county case, donald trump is convicted, and he wins the white house? do we have a clear answer, what happens if the sitting president of the united states is convicted in the court of law in fulton county? >> we don't have a clear answer. trump's lawyer said that even having the election, or even -- [inaudible] trial in till after the election, and he wins the election, he's not going to trial until 2029 at the earliest. the supreme court could rule that a criminal prosecution, especially a state prosecution, would have to wait until after trump loses -- leaves office. and a man, if he's can the victims before, but the appeal isn't final, i think it's extremely unlikely that the supreme court would say that trump has to go to prison, at the same time as he's serving as president. >> just one of the many constitutional land mines we're gonna see over the next 18 months. tara -- on these trials, that's the small matter of choosing the next president. we'd like to be informed as to the quality of the candidates. we have, and mentioned, some of the delegate math there just a moment ago, how much we would now, and how much of the voting public would have already cast their votes by the time these criminal trials get underway. can you see trump's legal problems impacting this race at all? >> well, definitely not the primary race. that's for sure. he is so far ahead, and it's baked into the cake here. the people who are supporting donald trump are people who have now been conditioned and indoctrinated to believe that these are not righteous prosecutions. he has told everyone that it's a witch hunt. they're targeting him. it's the justice department, the corrupt justice department going after a political enemy. i mean, he has repeatedly said these things to undermine our justice system, and these people believe it. the same people who believe that the 2020 election was illegitimate also. so you have the all four well-meaning majority of republicans who believe that joe biden is an illegal, illegitimate president. so why would they now take into consideration the legitimacy of our judicial system? they don't. which is why donald trump has gone up in the polls every time he's been indicted. up to 91 counts now, at this point. all of this, i was listening to your intro, ayman, and i thought to myself, why do we need a conviction for these people to take a look at donald trump and joe, he needs to be convicted before i can decide whether he's gonna be a good president again or not. i mean, there's a litany of things that make donald trump disqualified for president and unqualified to be president of the united states again. mainly being he incited an insurrection to try to overturn a free and fair election. the guy tried to stage a coup. >> it's probably naive, wishful thinking on my part to have confidence in the voters that will somehow come to the realization -- >> a general election. >> certainly the primary -- you're absolutely right. the primary, i think, is a foregone conclusion, and if you made up your mind on trump you're not gonna change. but maybe the summit that, when it comes down to donald trump, are gonna hedge their -- yeah. and that's the scary thing. i guess my questions to you, jeanne, is really more about that. it's his entire case in this election interference intended to stop trump from winning? is this where his only chance to avoid present time is to win at the ballot box? or is there hope for him to actually dodge the prison sentences, or dodge the conviction, but at the same time when the white house to avoid that? >> i mean, anything's possible. and our current policy. it's the fact that we're having this conversation right now that's positive. anything could happen in the current state of politics. but i, mean so much of this is why donald trump ran again in his presidency. he knew the day that he walked out of their, january 20th 2021, that he was going to -- [inaudible] this isn't something new that donald trump has been dealing with. after january 6th, he knew somebody was going to go look into the kind of things he and as allies were doing in the run up to the election, after the election, and on january 6th. all of those things, we already knew. i'll also say, i think tara is right. i'm not even convinced that if he got convicted are put in jail, that he would lose the nomination, or the presidency, right? there is something about the way that he has been able to convince republican voters, even some independent leaning voters, that this is about you, right? they're coming at me because they want to get to you. the only thing protecting you from the deep state, from the liberal elite media, and from the folks on the coast you want to take over your life because they want to steal this country from you. right? and you convince people of that, it's very difficult for those folks to then, with all the things happening now, we can't expect them to be able to dig through all of that with everything they have going on in their own lives. and you have some of these other presidential candidates that i've been kind of hoping that these legal issues would take him out at some point. but like he ran through, march 5th, almost half of the delegates, nearly 70% of the delegates are gonna be handing out. so we will have an answer, especially on the republican side, because it's when you take all, we will have an answer as to who's gonna be the nominee before most of these cases even have a first trial date. that is something that people are expecting. so the round desantis is in the nikki haley is that we're anticipating that he'd get knocked out by one of these, that was fetal thinking at best, and now they know that they probably should've tried to take him out rhetorically and in their own ways before now. >> they're probably kicking themselves in the head when everyone was saying, i'm sure the trials will not come down a few points. the trials will not come down a few points. another thinking, we should've gone after him from the get-go rather than give him all this -- >> in, and really quick. 30 seconds about the primary. i think not enough people realize the republican party committee chairman and state chairman, for the last two years, i've been setting it up for this. they are all pro trump people. and they changed the rules of the primaries, people who weren't winner-take-all, they're now winner-take-all. and this is something that trump's campaign -- folks inside the campaign this time around, but a much more seasoned operatives, they understood that this needed to happen, and they've been massaging the republican committee men and state party members in order to create this so that he would have that advantage early on, and no one would be able to catch up to him, because he'd have all these delegates so early. so that was a strategic move on trump's part on purpose. >> really quickly, final thought to you, paul, on the segment. we talked about reelection in georgia -- how reelection could be affected by the georgia case. what about the other ones? what's the most dangerous one for him on an individual level? not a political level, but just purely from a criminal perspective? >> you know, i have to say, it's fani willis, and bolton county. she's got another r.i.c.o. trial going on right now that started out with 27 defendants, and all but 21 have pled guilty. [inaudible] ayman, she even flipped his brother. think of donald trump, rudy giuliani, and mark meadows as the not so young thugs in the election interference rico trial. >> all right, panel, please stick around, we've got a lot more to discuss after the break, including some bombshell reporting on classified documents. but first, my friend richard lui is here with the other headlines. hello, richard. >> hey, ayman, good evening. to the father of a six-year-old palestinian boy who was fatally stabbed filed a wrongful death lawsuit against the chicago landlord. he was charged in the brutal attack that police allege was a hate crime. police say the boy and his mother were targeted because of their muslim faith. a u.s. naval ship shot down several who t drones after commercial vessels were attacked in the red sea, according to the pentagon. u.s. central command said in the statement that the drone was heading towards the uss carney -- and alaska airlines set to acquire -- 1.9 billion dollar deal. the goal of the newly combined company would be to expand service across the west coast, which includes a fleet of 365 airplanes. more ayman with ayman mohyeldin after the break. after the break. biktarvy is a complete, one-pill, once-a-day treatment used for h-i-v in many people whether you're 18 or 80. with one small pill, biktarvy fights h-i-v to help you get to undetectable—and stay there whether you're just starting or replacing your current treatment. research shows that taking h-i-v treatment as prescribed and getting to and staying undetectable prevents transmitting h-i-v through sex. serious side effects can occur, including kidney problems and kidney failure. rare, life-threatening side effects include a buildup of lactic acid and liver problems. do not take biktarvy if you take dofetilide or rifampin. tell your healthcare provider about all the medicines and supplements you take, if you are pregnant or breastfeeding, or if you have kidney or liver problems, including hepatitis. if you have hepatitis b do not stop taking biktarvy without talking to your healthcare provider. common side effects were diarrhea, nausea, and headache. no matter where life takes you, biktarvy can go with you. talk to your healthcare provider today. ♪ unnecessary action hero! ♪ biktarvy can go with you. -missing punches? 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>> it helps a lot. this is what lawyers call consciousness of guilt evidence. the former president, this lawyer said that after trump got the grandeur e subpoena for the classified documents that she said she very clearly warned them that if he felt to comply and lie about it that that is a crime. she said that trump absolutely understood evan corcoran, another lawyer, and witness to that meeting. ayman, both of them were forced to talk because a federal judge ruled that attorney-client privilege is overruled because there's probable cause to think that trump used his attorneys to commit crimes and to show you how desperate trump's for lawyers now, jennifer little will certainly be a witness against him in the mar-a-lago case is still representing trump in fulton county. >> one of the bar one of the bizarre things, the tower, and it's not to get into donald trump's mindset and understand it. why does he do these things in public. if we played the soundbite of him talking to meghan kelly, he didn't have to say that to meghan kelly, he can keep this to his own personal opinion as his own legal defense strategy. but he's compelled to go out and say these things which makes me believe that he almost doesn't care about the trial, he cares more about the public trial, who is he fooling here? >> oh, only in self, he's been bs-ing himself for years, he's a professional -- and capable of telling the truth, pathological liar, and malignant narcissist, this is what he does, he can't help themselves. it's amazing to me there are lawyers out there that are willing to even representing. here we have another case of maga equaling make attorneys get attorneys. how many of trump's attorneys have gotten themselves in trouble? and have turned witnesses against him? how many? it's unbelievable. >> have you copyrighted that, you can print some serious money let that one. >> i believe it was michael kaye cohen who came up with that, all you have michael cohen the credit. but it's true, here's another instance of that, paul brought

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