we >> begin tonight with some breaking news, -- in the lead up to hamas's october 7th attack. according to new reporting not yet verified by nbc news, israeli intelligence obtained hamas's detailed battle plan for the october 7th attack more than a year ago before the attack took place. cogent from the new york times. israeli officials obtained hamas battle plan for the terrorist attack more than a year before it happened, documents, emails, and interviews show. but israeli military and intelligence about dismissed the plant as aspirational, consider it too difficult for hamas to carry out. the approximately 40-page document, which the israeli authorities code named jericho wall outlined, point by point, exactly they kind of give us a thing invasion that led to the deaths of about 1200 people. hamas followed the blueprint with shocking precision. the document cold for a barrage of rockets at the outset of the attack. it cold for drones to knock at the security cameras and automotive machine guns along the border, and it called for gunmen to pour into israel en masse in paragliders, on motorcycles, and onslaught. all of which happened on october 7th. officials are privately concede that had the military taken these warnings seriously, israel could have blunted the attacks or possibly even prevented them. what could have been an intelligent coup, turned into one of the worst miscalculations in israel's 75 year history. joining us now is former cia director under president obama john brennan, now msnbc senior national security and intelligence analysts. thank you for being here. let me get your reaction to this bombshell reporting from that new york times. >> hello, alex. i was shocked when i read through it. the fact the israelis have been able to collect more than a year and advance the actual battle plan hamas used, but then failed to be able to realize this was an effect what they were going to do. it shows that made faulty assumptions. that's one of the real problems with any kind of policy -- when you met with assumptions. it was underestimating capabilities author of missouri. that usually happens when there is a paramilitary adversary -- but this document, this historical document they, thought it should have been the prism through which they looked at every hamas action over the past year. to see whether or not the hamas fighters were actually working on it and making progress against it. they deemed it was too aspirational for hamas to carry out. but this, they had more than a year to be able to judge and evaluate whether or not hamas was moving down that progression. and obviously, this is something that is going to require very extensive review in terms of what the failure was. but it also raises serious questions about how intelligence might be not used appropriately, or -- the system is not working the way it should. if this document didn't make it through to be actually an opportunity for israel to stop and implement those dreadful attacks. >> when you said this document should have been a president which all hamas exercises for example were seen, there is a detail in the pace that says, angela, just three months before the attacks, a veteran analyst with unit 8200, israel 's signals intelligence agency, warned that hamas had conducted an intense, day long training exercise that appeared similar to what was outlined in the blueprint. the same analyst goes on to say, it is a plant designed to start a war, she added, it's not just a right on a village. first of all, the idea they effectively sort of drought run for this. how unusual is that? and in terms of an analyst ring and alarm bells so clearly, is that unusual? >> the analyst did exactly what she was supposed to do, which was to look at what hamas was doing and to see whether or not there any correlation with previous intelligence that the israelis collective. and she seemed to be pushing it. but somebody up the chain of combined, or some bodies up the chain of command, still determined hamas would be unable to carry out such a broad, extensive plan. but this is where, i think, you really need to have those analysts to push it up the chain of command. this is what they're going to have to look at any kind of commission review. how did the system breakdown so profoundly that they weren't able to exploit the opportunity that was given to them by actually collecting this document more than a year ago? >> to that, and it sounds like there was one cardinal in charge of the gazette unit, in particular, who sort of step in the way of the warnings. potentially. ascending of the food chain, if you. will a cardinal and gaza devotion brushed off the analysts concerns, according to encrypted emails viewed by the times. i articulate refused this story is imaginary, the analyst wrote in the email extended. the colonel applauded the adult, but said the plan was part of a totally imagine center, not a indication of ability to pull it off. in short, let's wait patiently, the colonel wrote. director brennan, in short, let's wait patiently. that is the stuff that lives on in infamy after october 7th. i know we're talking about a different intelligence service and israel. but as far as the chain of command, as far as that ways and analysts would have around the corner like this, who seems that sit on not taking this anywhere. does that opportunity exist? how many people do you imagine what this report. >> they should have been a lot. and there should be no single point of value. no single person should be able to stop something like this from being further reviewed and looked at. if this document, there seems to be no question -- this was a legitimate hamas document -- that just didn't believe they were able to carry it out. but something like this should have been short broadly. i wonder, something like this, should have been insured broadly across is really defense intelligence. -- and even to the extent that the united states is such a close intelligent rotten ship with the israelis. this is something that i think they would really want to have fresh eyes look at. and to also see whether or not u.s. intelligence or other intelligence might have picked up some indicators, indications that infect hamas was able to store to operationalize this plan. but it was kept within a small group of people, or if one individual was able to stop this from actually being reviewed and considered to be a real, legitimate plan, that hamas would be able to carry out, there is a strong, strong need for there to be an immediate review of what's going on inside israeli intelligence and how this information gets to policy makers to make sure that it can be acted upon, operationalized, and to mitigate any potential future threats. >> former cia director john brennan, thank you so much for your time and your respective on all this. really appreciate it. i want to bring into the competition, ben rhodes, who served as deputy national security adviser in the obama administration. ben, thanks for joining me. tonight i'm shocked whether reporting, i also want -- i'm shot given the public statement we've gotten from the israeli government thus far. the times of israel, benjamin netanyahu, i believe this is october 28th. there is a's -- a tweet that was subsequently pulled down. saying, contrary to the false claims, under no circumstances and at no stage was prime minister talking to warrant a hamas war intentions. perhaps this never made it to his desk, but that in and of itself, if you listen to director brennan, it seems like a massive security failure. >> yeah, i mean, ultimately, first of all. he's with the responsible official. he's the prime minister of the country. and his whole political identity has been tied to the fact that he was the person that ensured israel security. so either you have a situation in which there were warnings that war ignored, they may have reached people in his cabinet. or, this instant lesson is functional that information wasn't being sheared and the focus from -- because the other issue here is, alex, sometimes there's ultimate from policymakers, what do we have from -- in terms of muscle intentions? what we saw in the run up to october 7th, is a number of things. number, what we saw mass political dysfunction and israel. as prime minister roy is trying to ram through that judicial changes, you had protests in the streets and public warnings from some of his security officials. that dysfunction was putting israel in major. ben you had the idf units -- up and the west bank, in part, because they were predicting is rights hit or from coast with palestinians. so you had a lot of dysfunction, and what we learned in this really a lot of reporting is that at a minimum, that dysfunction was in the israeli intelligence community and was preventing a document that was unprecedented and it's specifically about the nature of a, take and was there for a year. it's not something that was only a couple of days before the attacks. citing and the system for a here, and nobody was acting upon. it nobody was similarly accountable for needing to act upon it. >> given the potential indictment here, i wonder if you were surprised that we even know about this. given how fraught it is for this prime minister, at a time when the political landscape is complicated for him? >> alex, i think what happens. i've been in government when there is been intelligence failure. as i've worked for the vice chair of that 9/11 commission throughout that effort. inevitably, what happens is, when there are officials who knew that they were doing their jobs, and then they start to hear politicians say, nobody had any idea this was going to happen, we couldn't have done anything to stop. with that information tends to find its way out. because there are people that are frustrated and people who want there to be accountability. and people who want the system to work better. people with not just motivations for themselves but motivations to say, hey, look, waiting to fix some things here. and usually, the impulse of politicians and it -- is to say, when the war is over, when enough time has gone, but then we'll take a look. back and i think part of the race and the informations coming out is because there is people and system, like, no. we need to understand what happened, how this happened, why this happened, in part to help people be held accountable. but in part because we have to fix this. this is an ongoing military operation against hamas, that is unheard dependent on intelligence. where are the leaders? what or their intentions? where are they? what is your contract with external actors? all of that information is absolutely indispensable to everything israel don't on a day-to-day basis. so unless these differences are effect, israel is not going to be as secure as it needs to. but >> you bring that up as that pause, whatever for your calls when it, the semi chief or is it to expire. i wonder how you think was informs that. given that renewed military incursions i going to depend on intelligence, which as we're trading in that new york times, has felt israel profoundly. >> yeah, and it's a very complicated picture. because on the one, hand they actually are collecting intelligence. they had the intelligence, the whole blueprint office attack. what wasn't happening was it wasn't being secured appropriately. it wasn't being acted upon. it wasn't the focus of political edition of the country. it wasn't perhaps the focus of event that leadership of the security services went and should have been. and you're, right there's a pause. and during that pause, one of the things we know, the biden administration's counsel and the israeli government, is what you were doing before is, this full scale description of the gaza strip that killed over 1000 people and inflamed opinion around the world, could be contributed to that radicalization of a generation of people in gaza. that approach is not going to be seasonable for a humanitarian perspective and a political, diplomatic perspective. in -- therefore, in the recalibration of israel's military operation is going to depend on a more targeted protests. one that benefit is what the proposition is in terms of how much is it a ship, its military credibility. that is very much and and allegiance driven kind of effort here. and so, i think it's bigs that need, to take a minute here, and try to figure out how to make sure it's working as well as a child. i think we should also, alex, people are saying, israel can't go back to october 6th. they wouldn't be going back to october 6th with a long versus far. they are on the border. now the atf is there. it is fortified. october's offense is impossible. in the current endemic. so i think, it's entirely appropriate, and possible, for israel to sit, we're going to basically make decisions about the recalibration of this mueller operation, we're also gonna be looking hard at how we've had such a catastrophic failure and are there some changes we need to be making, now instructive, fix it. and lastly, alex, this question of the prime minister. because even netanyahu's stand it was before this bombshell dropped. he's never had more low approval ratings. conventionalism's, he'll be replaced at some point, probably he wants it to be the conclusion of the military of erosion. i think those questions are going to kick up again. does israel make some of the political edition. all of this is going to be worrying israeli politics and the days to come, and there are a lot of important decisions to make. >> and as a human, the families of the hostages who are still in gaza, who are still being held captive. having to read the story. thinking, somewhere, maybe it could've been prevented. just devastating. ben rhodes, thank you so much for your time tonight. really appreciate it. >> thanks, alex. >> much more ahead this evening, including exactly what made senator lindsey graham very, very angry and the senate judiciary committee hearing meeting today. >> i think this is a bunch of garbage and crap to be honest with you. >> and new text messages between scott perry and trump justice official jeffrey clark shed new light on that republican effort in congress to overturn the 2020 election. that is next. >> i suffer with psoriatic arthritis and psoriasis. i was on a journey for a really long time to find some relief. cosentyx works for me. cosentyx helps real people get real relief from the symptoms of psoriatic arthritis or psoriasis. serious allergic reactions, severe skin reactions that look like eczema, and an increased risk of infections, some fatal, have occurred. tell your doctor if you have an infection or symptoms, had a vaccine or plan to or if ibd symptoms develop or worsen. i move so much better because of cosentyx. ask your rheumatologist about cosentyx. i got this $1,000 camera for only $41 on dealdash. dealdash.com, online auctions since 2009. this playstation 5 sold for only 50 cents. this ipad pro sold for less than $34. and this nintendo switch, sold for less than $20. i got this kitchenaid stand mixer for only $56. i got this bbq smoker for 26 bucks. and shipping is always free. go to dealdash.com right now and see how much you can save. ok, someone just did laundry... no, i add downy light so the freshness really lasts. yeah, most scented stuff gives me a headache, but this is just right. and i don't like anything. but i like this. get a light scent that lasts with no heavy perfumes or dyes. 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