in this segment. so before we go to break, we'll be getting into one of those. first i want to give you the latest with the middle east. the israeli cabinet is meeting on the very big question of whether or how to extend a pause in the fighting in the ongoing conflict with hamas, and they're racing against a deadline, because that pause s according to the deal that was struck, basically over, terminated if no new deal is reached tonight. officials from the u.s., israel, qatar, egypt, they've all been in talks today. there's a lot of forces that want to make this step possible, especially considering with any deal you say, will it work? will both sides participate? innocent people have been freed according to many of the people in the region, so when you look at the scenes of some of these people being reunited, you can see why many people want this to continue. the last two hours hamas released 14 hours, including an american. that is if you're counting -- many of them younger individuals. the newest group of 1 hostages adds two israeli russian hostages released earlier today. this video, we should note, is courtesy of hamas. it's a video that hamas created. you can see some of what are identified as their members and terrorists. this is what happens when you get these agreements. this is obviously incredibly important to all the people involved, even amidst what has been a terror campaign that's targeted children, babies. the president here in the united states speaking out. >> we got some very good news to report -- benin is safe in egypt. she's crossed the border. i talked with her mother and father. they're very appreciative and things are moving well. she'll soon be moment with her three children. >> that is one large piece of this. humanitarian aid is continuing to reach gaza where this humanitarian crisis is dire. 1.7 million people have already been displaced according to estimates. you can see the rubble. you can see what folks are subject to there. nbc's rob sanchez reporting. >> reporter: under the cover of a fragile truce, gazans are venturing on to the streets, lining up at gas stations hoping for a few precious drops of fuel, and baking bread in traditional ovens. the world health organization with a stark warning. >> eventually we'll see more people dieing from disease than we're seeing from the bombardment. >> reporter: disease spreading through camps like this. more than a million gazans displaced since the fighting. their tents little match for the winter rain. she doesn't know if he husband is still alive. is there anything worsen that this, she asks? and even when the war ends, many will have no homes to go back to. >> that is a scene from our reporters there. i'm joined by martin fletcher, nbc's former tel aviv bureau chief. he is a connection. two hostages released in october, part of his family. six more of his family released saturday. one more being held. welcome back. i mentioned to viewers -- we're going to turn to american news eventually, but we start with this update. the footage, the videos like so much else in this conflict are going to be hard to make sense of. people go on with their daily lives. not everyone has this story touch them or is following it all day, all night. yet when you see masked terrorists affiliated with a group that has murdered children and babies, when you see others being returned from the other side, including what we're told are younger people not accused of serious offenses, it is striking. some civilians are getting out. what do you make of this point we're at in this conflict? >> ari, it's such a sensitive topic. israelis and palestinians who are waiting for their loved ones to be released from israeli jails. there's that part of it, too. basically it's like chinese water torture. hamas is drip feeding hostages, playing on israeli emotions and nerves as everyone's waiting. will my family be among the people released today? if not, can they come tomorrow? or will the fighting resume before our family gets out and that means they'll be stuck there for more weeks and maybe even longer. so as i say, on tenterhooks. nervousness. israeli is basically manic, joy and sorrow mixed together. it's a confusing time and a difficult time, obviously. >> sure. one of the simplistic and limited thing wes hear is, why can't everyone get along? why can't they stop the fighting? it's complicated and i don't know that any group or side or nation state or territory has the absolute truth or all of righteousness on its side. you covered this for a long time. it's complicated. i'm curious if you can walk us through the difference between, say, the calls for an immediate and total cease-fire on october 8th while they were still trying to figure out who was missing -- and that certainly wasn't the attitude in america on september 12th, for example -- the difference between that and what we have here, which is a time where we've seen both parties come together once, and potentially, according to the meetings today as i mentioned abroad, potentially, again, that with both sides giving something, a cessation, a pause, and return of people, was a more possible, even durable project than sort of the initial calls for everyone to get along without doing the hard work of having some agreements with both sides giving something. >> yeah, look, you know, there's a contradiction here. at the moment it's going down to the wire. hamas want a cease-fire and an end to the fighting because they basically achieved everything they wanted to achieve. now they want to swap the hostages for the 5,000, 6,000 palestinian prisoners in israeli jails. that's their goal. they've reached their goal. israel wants to hostages back. there's still about 150 hostages held by hamas and islamic jihad and god knows who else is holding them in gaza. there's still a long way to go. how many are back now? i think it's about 60, 70 hostages have been returned. a lot more to go. hamas want an end to the cease-fire now. israel wants a pause to get the hostages back, but then wants to go back to war. so it's a great question you ask -- why can't the two sides get along? >> i was quoting. i was quoting. >>. [ laughter ] no, it's a good question. but it's been the question for 75 years, and that question then became even deeper in 1967 when israel occupied the west bank and gaza. so why can't they get along? the interesting thing is, they can get along. look at the 2 million israeli arabs who live inside israel alongside the jews and christians of israel and the bedouins. that will happen. the question is, when the chaos of war -- from chaos, from war, it becomes a catalyst for progress in the future. >> yeah. >> that's what i think. at the end of all this, i do believe that the pressure on both side will be so great that they're going to be forced to come to the table. >> yeah. and any break-through there that concerns civilian populations and people on both sides is what the global community has been asking for. i want to turn to one point raised by chuck schumer, one of the most powerful officials in the united states. he also happens to be from new york, which has a larger jewish population. jews are about 1%. there are places you have a jewish pop hissing, and places you have none. chuck schumer himself is jewish. he's speaking out on this today at a time when there's legitimate viewpoints about the israeli government, criticism there of and what to do in this conflict. there's a larger conversation about inequities around the world. there are people who trace his history to october. or you could trace it back to the second intifada, wars of -- you can go back to the british empire, the ottoman empire, or back to nation states that existed and for thousand of years there was anti-semitism in many renals of the world. it predates and preexists -- totally apart from the israeli conflict. i say all that as a destruction to chuck schumer trying to speak to the nuances of this while also calling out something we have seen over and over in world history, which is an incredibly durable, vie rue lent -- anti-semitism, along before nation states like this one existed. here's chuck schumer. >> no matter what our beliefs, no matter where we stand on the were and gaza, all of us must condemn anti-semitism with full-throated clarity wherever we see it before it metastasizes into something even worse, because right now that's what you wish americans would hear most. >> martin, i'll give you the simple question, and you can solve this issue for us tonight, obviously. is anti-semitism a real problem as chuck schumer says in america and other parts of the world? does it only exist among certain groups? sometimes people think it's only on the far right or affiliated with certain religions. or is it a problem across wider ideologies and borders? >> the thing as you mentioned about history, looking how far do you go back? the problem with history is wherever you stop, there's always something that happened before. and anti-semitism has been around from -- it predates christianity. >> sure. >> so today i think that american jews and jews around the world are very correct in worrying this could be the beginning of something much greater. and the comparison i would make would be the 1933 in germany. what did the jews in germany think about anti-semitism then and what do jews think about it now? many jew, including my family, totally missed all the signs in 1933 and always thought, hitler's a passing phase. can't be that bad. it will get better. the difference between anti-semitism in germany in 1933 and anti-semitism in america and the world today is that that anti-semitism, the laws against the jews then were limited to germany in the beginning, the first few years. today we're seeing anti-semitism all over the world. i think it's a very scary time for jews, and i think that many people don't understand where jews are coming from. with the history the jews have of what minor steps against them can lead to, like, for instance, 6 million jews being murdered in the holocaust, half of all world jewry at the time. we're seeing questions raised, should we be concerned today at the signs we're seeing when we were not concerned then? and look what happened then. what could happen today? i think there's a legitimate fear among jews and people who support the jews and fairness in society in general. it's a very real fear, and i don't know how much other people who are not part of it really understand that. certainly these people demonstrating all across america and the world, from the river to the sea, lapd will be free -- many people say that's a political phrase about freedom and democracy. well, it isn't for hamas. for hamas it means kill the jews. eliminate israel. jews have to look at both those interpretations and say, which one do we believe? on past experience you better believe hamas. >> hmm. martin fletcher, drawing on all your experience, us a mentioned, your ties to this issue as well. we thank you, sir. >> thank you. >> important stuff. that's the late nest world news we tern to the u.s., with the top republican to ever exit current gop leadership in the current era. congressman cheney is making news with this book, where she writes about how her long time colleagues who seemed reasonable were ready to break the constitution for the most dangerous man to get into the oval. on the morning of the 6th, republicans were still whipping votes to reject to biden's election. it was a farce. one more trick they may have to do. she call out mark green saying, oh, the things we do for orange jesus. and mccarthy was betraying his views but saying, trump lost, we're going to get past this, and then he would go on fox and say this -- >> president trump won this election, so everyone who's listening, do not be quiet. do not be silent about this. we cannot allow this to happen before our very eyes. >> there were so many, cheney writes, that were basically saying, we'll get through it one more and one more and move on. they didn't move on. that brings me to a word on diet and trumpian depression that cheney relates. she says in mccarthy's visit to mar-a-lago where he tried to make up for mild criticism, things leaked about trump, came with kevin mccarthy trying to explain that visit as his way of bucking up a newly depressed loser of the election. mccarthy said, trump's not eating so they asked me to come see him. what? 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