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mechanics headquarters in new york. word from the white house that a deal has been struck to extend the cease-fire, what does that mean for the hostages and what happens when this new timeline runs out? what the break in the fighting means for palestinians who have been enduring a nightmarish existence inside gaza. hundreds of aid trucks are headed in. will it even make a difference in the extraordinary humanitarian disaster. joining me this hour, the executive director of doctors without borders. in vermont a 48-year-old man has been arrested and arraigned after being accused of shooting three students of palestinian descent. his first words to the atf agent who came to arrest him, "i've been waiting for you." we start with the white house confirming the announcement that the cease-fire between hamas and israel will be extended for another two days. here is nsc's john kirby providing details less than an hour ago. >> in order to extend the pause hamas has committed to releasing another 20 women and children the next two days. we, of course, would hope to see the pause extended further. that will de pend on hamas continuing to release hostages. >> that's incredible news for the families of the roughly 180 hostages being held and hope for more releases. more scenes like we saw play out. extraordinarily emotional and joyful as dozens of women and children were reunited with their families and loved ones. among them 4-year-old abigail mor edan. she was freed on sunday as part of the third group of hostages released under the deal. according to an egyptian official, 11 more hostages are expected to be let go in the coming hours. that has not happened yet. if it does, lit bring the total number of israelis frees by hamas to 50 over the last four days. for some families, joy at seeing one relative released is mixed with the pain of knowing others remain captive. take, for example, 13-year-old released on saturday. her mother was not. >> we're still fighting. her sister and mother we want back. they promised they wouldn't release children without their mothers, but they did. >> i want to bring in nbc's aaron gilchrist covering the white house for us. aaron, the biden administration was actively involved in extending this truce. what more can you tell us? >> reporter: chris, the white house press briefing is still ongoing. the national security council spokesperson john kirby did offer a few more details of how the truce extension came together. as you noted, this truce extension is going to last for two days. admiral kirby did say that president biden has been -- as he has been through out the process, intimately involved in that as well. he spoke with the israeli prime minister yesterday. during that phone call we understand the two leaders spoke about extending this truce. the president himself saying on camera extending the truce was something he thought was a good idea, something he wanted to see happen. obviously the news today that that is the case. as far as today goes, we still have not seen that group of hostages released today. we learned from admiral kirby that there had been some issues with the lists, the lists of names -- the list of hostages released by hamas and list of prisoners released by israel. the issue today according to kirby is a matter of who is on the list. there was concern about two mothers in the group not being released along with their children. so that was something that needed to be worked out today. as we understand from admiral kirby, that has been worked out and we should start to see some movement on the ground at some point this afternoon. there's still the issue of the americans still being held and whether and when they'll be coming out. i want you to hear a little bit of what admiral kirby had to say about that during the briefing today. >> we're certainly hoping that another batch of hostages gets released today as part of the fourth and final day of the original agreement. we'll watch closely to see if any americans are in that group. as it's come out over the last three days, we don't really know until you get into the end game who is going to be on that list. even then, you've got to watch closely to see if who is on the list is actually who comes out. >> reporter: we've been told that the belief is there are two american women that would qualify to be released with the terms of the deal worked out and finalized last week. that's something we'll be watching for today. admiral kirby did, also, say there are seven other americans who remain unaccounted for, believed to be being held by hamas or some other group in gaza. the u.s. is continuing to work to get more people re, and men could eventually be in that group as well. >> i want to bring in aaron david miller, former arab negotiator. tall schneider is a political and diplomatic correspondent for the times of israel. aaron, a lot of people had hoped, particularly the families, loved ones, that that group today would have been released by now. some problems apparently with the list, making sure who is on it, who is not on it. is there anything worrisome in that some people may look at it and say it's not that many people, how complicated can it be? what's the holdup? >> first of all, you're dealing with two parties who are not in direct communication. the qataris are in the position of having to broken an agreement between a terrorist organization that seized on october 7th hundreds of israelis and other foreign nationals including americans. i think part of the problem, chris, is that hamas may actually not be in control of all the hostages. i think that's part of the problem. but i think if you look at the past three, four days, it's worked out every single time despite the combination. now we understand moving forward, assuming today's deal is consummated, that you'll see another two days of quiet in exchange for as many as 20 hostages. again, i think under these circumstances, the fact is hostages are coming back into israel and palestinian prisoners are being released. the proof in the pudding is actually working. >> tell us, tal, what you know about this extension and how it was worked out. >> so the extension was pre organized. in the beginning, four or five days ago, they said if things work, there will be an extension. the presumption here in israel is that hams want more than food or fuel. they want the days off. they're willing to do what they can to get as many days as they can get. we're expecting the group of 50 to be in israel, they're already being somewhat transferred, israel said, if we get a message until midnight -- this is four hours from now -- with the names of the next 20, then the deal is continuing. so that's going to be -- until the end of wednesday, i suppose. hamas obviously can release much more people. other than those people, they have 170, 180. they're just unwilling because they say every adult, no matter if he's 85 or 65 is a soldier. so they're unwilling to let those people go. some of them very sick. we saw today anal derly woman being escorted to a hospital, almost dying, and she is in critical condition as we speak. >> tal and aaron, if you'll stay with me, i want to bring in nbc chief foreign correspondent richard engel. richard, any idea when we might exchange to see this exchange begin today? >> reporter: i wish i could tell you. these things have been very hard to predict. it does seem like it's going ahead today. we're hearing no indications it won't take place today. there's not much of the day remaining. as you were discussing earlier, despite the difficulties, somehow this convoluted system going through qatar, going through egypt, negotiators, does seem to be working. after delays and a lot of discussion over who gets on the list, these israelis and other foreign nationals are ultimately being freed, and palestinian prisoners are being freed. we still have a little bit of time left. the big news at least today is it seems we'll have two more day days to get over the line or make more progress. even if today doesn't work, there's another chance to make it succeed. i'm not hearing any indications that things have fallen to the wayside today as of yet. >> we know going into this war, richard, prime minister netanyahu had extremely low approval ratings. he was blamed for what happened in the first place, why there wasn't more warning about that attack that was to come. what's your sense on the ground of whether these releases are helping the prime minister and, if so, might it be harder for him to reengage militarily if those hostages aren't all home? >> reporter: the fate of prime minister netanyahu is a much-discussed subject in this country right now. recent opinion polls show he's polling extraordinarily low, that many israelis were angry with him before october 7th and then completely lost patience with him after the 7th. some of the opinion polls put it well over two-thirds of israelis don't believe he should lead this country after the current crisis is over. whether he's hoping to turn things around is more of a subject of political speculation, and there's many israeli pundits trying to figure out what exactly prime minister netanyahu is trying to do, how he can possibly spin this to his advantage. there's very little about this that could be ever used to your advantage. israel looks extremely weak, having to negotiate with hamas. it looks extremely weak because it was attacked on october 7th and lost 1,200 people, more than 200 hostages. there's a lot of anger here and a lot of frustration. people are at this moment latching on to these little moments of hope which for families are extraordinaily transformative moments. they are starting to now bring their people back. they're starting to bring back children, children who on every street in this country you see their pictures. you can't drive a few blocks in tel aviv right now without seeing the photographs of the hostages on a billboard or stuck up against a wall on a poster. despite prime minister netanyahu's serious challenges and the frustration with him, at least with this deal they are starting to show some results, but at a tremendous cost. israel's err of invincibility has been punctured. the real question is where is this all going? i think israelis are starting to ask themselves that question. there are a few, maybe 11 hostages released tonight, props 20 over the next two days. but then what? buzz israel reengage with a full-scale military confrontation? does it reoccupy the gaza strip? if so, for how long does it impose some sort of pliable government that will cooperate with israel to manage the 2.3 million people in gaza? none of those questions have really been answered or ex-protective order in a public forum. >> richard engel, thank you for that. tal, let me pick up there. there's a deep, obviously, psychological and emotional component to this, anybody who is human on. obviously if you're a family member, obviously if you're jewish, to see these home comings and wonder if every hostage will have that opportunity including those in the military. so as this goes on and we see these joyful scenes of reunion, how much more difficult will it be for prime minister netanyahu to reengage militarily if they are not all released? >> so, yes, some of the imagine are very joyful. many of them are coming to the fact that they didn't know while they were appreciative that their parents were murdered. so it's joy with a lot of tears. i don't think netanyahu or any other leader at this time, who might be next, they have a huge israeli public support for continuing of the war because 180, 170 people are still captive and you can't let -- it's not enough to bring home 70 women and kids. we need to have every person who was taken from his house and his house was torched and was taken on saturday morning needs to come back home immediately. we saw in recent peaks that only the military pressure put hamas in a situation where they started to release those people. i think in khan younis they're holding the red-haired mother and two babies. a 10-month-old and 4-year-old, we learned the toddler and baby are held in khan younis. that's a different region in the southern part of gaza. israel didn't do any military incursion there. how can you get those people out if you don't put pressure on the leaders of this terrorist organization. >> tal and aaron, you're going to stick around and we'll bring you back later in the hour. up next, new details on the subject accused of shooting three college students of palestinian descent in vermont. we're back in 60 seconds. we're back in 60 seconds choose the online shopping category and earn 3% cash back. the subway series? 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[dog barks] no it's just a bunny! only pay for what you need. ♪liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty.♪ the first time you made a sale online with godaddy was also the first time you heard of a town named dinosaur, colorado. we just got an order from dinosaur, colorado. start an easy to build, powerful website for free with a partner that always puts you first. start for free at godaddy.com just last hour officials in burlington, vermont, gave an update on the shooting of three very minute students of palestinian decurrent saying whether or not it was a hate crime by the law, it was a hateful act. it comes hours after the suspect pled not guilty to three counts of attempted murder in the second degree. police say 48-year-old jason eaton who is white shot the three 20-year-old college students with a handgun as they walked to one of their grandmother's houses for thanksgiving holiday. this morning u.s. attorney general merrick garland said the fbi and atf are still investigating whether the shooting was a hate crime. he also warned of rising threats of violence across the country in the wake of the israel-hamas war. >> all of us have also seen a sharp increase in volume and frequency of threats against jewish, muslim and arab communities across our country since october 7th. there is understandable fear in communities across the country. nbc's george solis is on the ground in burlington, vermont. also with me, former member fbi hostage rescue team and founder of sierra one consulting rob d'amico. george, what more did we learn today about this shooting? >> reporter: we got a better insight into how the investigation is unfolding. we know atf agents were canvassing the neighborhood where the shooting took place. they knocked on the door. they encountered a man who basically said, i need to see a lawyer, i've ben waiting for you. he decided to stop speaking, stop saying anything. they identified him as suspect jason eaton. they mentioned how they recovered ballistics at the scene of the shooting that matched a ruger, a 380 inside the apartment. they also found a 22 rifle and a shotgun. they were questioning him down there at the police station. again, as you said, the officials today during the press conference saying they're looking into whether this was a hate crime, but certainly a hateful act as the investigation is unfolding. we know students were wearing keffiyehs and speaking arab and english, in town visiting a relative for the thanksgiving holiday. at the news conference we heard from the uncle of one of those men, hisham awartani who we learned was shot from the spine and we've learned tragically may not be able to walk. take a listen to what he said. >> tragic irony is not even the right phrase. but to have them come stay with me for thanksgiving and have something like this happen speaks to the level of civic vitriol, speaks to the level of of hatred that exists. >> reporter: there was no bail for the subject. a bail hearing will be declared at a later date today. we're waiting to see what other action comes from this community as many, including family members, are still hoping this investigation will become a hate crime investigation. >> thank you so much, george. rob, what is going on right now to determine whether or not this gets charged as a hate crime? >> well, the big thing is, he didn't say anything when he shot them. we're getting that from witness statements. if he just went up and shot them, they'll have to go back and prove this is a hate crime, have to look at his social media, his phone, emails that may be out there to see if he was doing this for a purpose of hate towards their place of nationality. they can also look at, it's a conspiracy, too. if someone pushed him to it, if he was chatting back and forth and someone was online getting them enraged, they're also accountable under a federal hate crime. >> we heard merrick garland talking about the understandable fear there has been. we know there's been fear on college campuses. we've interviewed students saying, for example, jewish students, should i wear a yamaka because it makes me so easily identifiable. we know two of the students were wearing keffiyehs, the traditional palestinian scarves. if people are worried about the rise in anti-semitism, the rise in hateful behavior, hateful speech in general, is it not wise to wear things that many people want to, they want to identify with their heritage, they want to show people who they are. has that become too dangerous now? >> i think it has to a point. how would i talk to my children about it? proud of your religion, proud of your background, but sometimes you have to be smart and not go something that's going to bring attention to you. i just was consulting, the gentleman whose daughter is overseas, he's worried about it. she's jewish. we talked about all the different things they can do to bring that down. it's just not a time for it. i'd rather be safe and let things pass while the hate is out there. now you have one side doing something and you may have counter to that. i would advise it and i advise my children to do that. >> let me follow up with something my colleague erin mclaughlin heard, when she spoke with one of the victim's mothers about what had happened. take a listen. >> my husband thought he would be safe in the u.s., thought he would be safe in brown, safe in vermont. he's not going to places that we thought were unself. he didn't want him to come home for christmas because he thought this place is dangerous right now with the conflict. he didn't know what was going on. it's dangerous for us to travel between towns. it's dangerous for us to travel to the border to leave the country. the west bank outside of ramallah is a dangerous place. he wanted hisham to stay here. he's devastated, he believed his son was safe. >> does he regret that decision? >> yeah, he does. he does. >> a parent just trying to do the right thing. in what ways are or should local law enforcement, other officials in the law enforcement community be hooking at this? how do we increase awareness, or is it impossible to given that somebody can just come out of their apartment and potentially decide to shoot some college students? >> i think the lone wolf, the lone actor is always tough to predict. i think if law enforcement is out there, presence is always good, understanding it, listening to people when they say, hey, i think my neighbor is going to do something. finding out about it. i also talk about personal -- i tell people all the time now, don't walk around with your head down in your phone. have your head up, looking around, paying attention to other people that are out there, looking for people's intent. if you're walking around looking at your phone, you'r

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