richard louis in for yasmin vossoughian. the state, the breaking as we are following for you right now. day two of the israel hamas truth, and the mauve delaying the second release of hostages from gaza. the reason, well, they are saying slow movement of eight from the gaza that was part of the agreement for this truth, and exchange of hostages for prisoners's life. , so and a two of the implementation of this agreement, cracks begin to be showing. all the start to the framework that calls for the release of dozens -- captives, among those saw waiting for police, several americans, who president biden is vowing are a top priority. >> we also remember all those who are still being held. the to renew our community to work for those as. well to american women, and 14-year-old child, abigail, who remains among those missing. we have also not stop until we get all those hostages home in answer to their whereabouts. we don't know, we don't have a list of where the hospital judges are rather be the release, but we have a number of -- also, it's my hope and expectation very soon. >> since friday, or day one of this truce, we have seen emotional reunions, with loved ones, who have not seen or heard from them since the october 7th hamas attack. including a nine year old boy, reunited with his family. >> what is a good shape for a nine year old after being in some prison cell for nine months? the way i see it, it's exactly where they should be. under the circumstances. okay? so, we have to give them time, of course, but we are optimistic and a lot of love and a lot of patience. they will recuperate and come to terms with the reality that's happened. >> we start our breaking news coverage this hour with hamas, announcing a delay in the release of more hostages, accusing israel of violating key terms of the agreement. let's get right to nbc news correspondent, david moore yay, got on the ground in jerusalem for us. david, i understand you just got in some news from the qataris on this standoff that we're seeing at this hour. >> yeah, richard. that's right. big development from just the last couple of minutes. a spokesperson for the qatari foreign ministry has released a public statement saying the release of hostages is back on. they say but diplomatic efforts by qatar and egypt have persuaded hamas to release the agreed upon hostages. i should say we also got a statement to that effect directly from dr. boston 19. a member of hamas leadership, he is also saying the release is back on. he is also crediting diplomatic efforts by qatar and egypt. according to the statement from the qatari foreign ministry, we are looking at 13 israeli hostage release for 49 palestinian prisoners society. saw last night. again, not counting the, of course, 11 time tie in filipino hostages that were released in addition to the 15th israeli hostages. so, we still haven't heard from the israeli side. we are waiting for a press conference to start from the idf. we may hear confirmation from them, but we really staff from those two sources, as of right now, that the release is back on. things are changing quickly, this is very fluid, but that is the information we have for the time being. for sure? >> yes, it's been very clear through your reporting and others here, dave, with that this deal is quite fragile. it is day to day, and just hours ago, dig down for us in terms of what we understood as to why we haven't seen this exchange happen at this late hour they are in israel and gaza? >> right. so, what we understand about why that delay happened came from the hamas side. they were saying that israel had failed to abide by a couple of specific points on its side of the commitment to the agreement, specifically, they said israel had not allow the passage of enough aid trucks into gaza. they say a number of aid trucks was less than the amount of that had been agreed upon. they also said that israel had not abide by the terms of the release of prisoners from israeli prisons. palestinian prisoners, from israeli prisons. they say the agreement was that the prisoners would be released according to how long they have been in prison, and they had left in person some people who had been imprisoned for many years, and instead released some people who had prison in prison for only months. those were the sort of finer points of what hamas was saying previously, had delayed this release. but again, now, hasse saying the release is back on. for sure? >> hamas is saying the released is back on. through the qataris as well, we are hearing this at this hour. was there any concern, as we looked at this, that this deal, because of the delay today, it could have fallen through? we are only on date through of two of this truce. >> concerned, yes, for short, richard. the attitude that people here in israel and people in the west bank wife and talking to have about this agreement in general is that nothing is real until we actually see it happen, right? the hostages not released until we actually see them in israeli custody, and prisoners not released until we see them, you know, on the streets of the west bank. this is very minute by minute. everything, there are all sorts of expectations, but it's extremely delicate type of walk that the general sense is it could fall apart at any moment. i will say, just having been reporting on this from the ground for the last several days, tonight was the first moment. that was the first moment where it really felt like things were going off track, and another thing goes up attracting entire time, but again, you know, i just want to restate, we are hearing from a member of hamas leadership. doctor balsam 19, and your hearing from the qatari foreign ministry that for, now things are back on track. >> that contract,, so is assumes, then, that becomes we have before have been alleviated in some way and we don't have any information on the alleviation of those concerns. for instance, the hundreds of trucks that were supposedly going to be moving into gaza each and every day. is that correct? >> that's exactly correct. there's some wording in the statement we received from this member of hamas leadership that says they recognize a commitment from the israeli side to be agreed upon turns. what the exact details of that commitments are? it's not clear at this moment. richard? >> david, standby. we're going to bring in jeremy bash, who served as chief of doubles the director of the cia in the secretary of defense during the at biden administration. jeremy, great to have you on this. so, we just got in the news, right before you came on air, we want to get your perspective on this. getting courts from hamas, and the qataris, that this will move forward. we did not get any more detail about why that decision, or by that statement now, has shifted at this hour. your reflection on what we know right now? >> [muted] >> i think you may be muted, jeremy. i don't know if you could hear that but for us? >> sorry. and back. nobody is going to give hamas's words, the american government is only going to give credit to hamas's actions. so, it's actions will speak, as opposed to its claim versus our claims. so, i think the united states and israel, together with americas key partners in the region, qatar, egypt, jordan, and others, are going to really be judging hamas, whether they live up to their end of this agreement, and whether or not the stes come out on the schedule, but also whether or not the teational community, for the d cross, is able to visit e hostages. let's not forget, richard, there are more than 200 hostages that emain, even after today's release. among them are 11 american hostages. i just want to say their first names. soggy, eta, he, omer, hirsch, keith, adrian, got the, judith, lee, out and four year old abigail. the american people cannot, should not, and we'll not forget that 11 americans will remain in hamas captivity, even after today's release. >> when we had heard that this may have been delayed, and you heard us discuss this with david, it's how fragile is it right now? given that we, at the moment, had switched as we were just talking about, ten minutes, and now now we're back. on how fragile do you believe this is? are we gonna make it today for? >> look, i have confidence, because i think both sides are incentivized to follow through with this agreement. for israel, it's important to keep faith with their people, who want the reunification to happen. it's unprecedented in the history of israel, i would argue, even in the history of modern conflict, to have more than 200 civilian casualties, women, children, babies, the elderly, holocaust survivors, disabled, it's never happened. so, israel is highly motivated to bring these people home. it was a very emotional reunion yesterday, we saw with the first group. hamas is also incentivize because, of, course they gain the ability to re-arm, to regroup, to reposition, to gain access to fuel. so, they get to dig in for the coming war that they're planning as well. and so, this is two sides that will remain at war, but they are incentivized to have this moment of troops, to have these hostages come out. >> jeremy, standby. we're gonna go to allie raffa at the white house. ali, you've been reporting all day here that this president, president biden, has been very involved in the negotiations of getting to this report six page agreement that they are now trying to satisfy. both sides are, at the moment. and do we know anything, in terms of how this was off and now back on, in terms of the white house, what the president, may have done or not done? >> yeah, richard. well, you reach out to a white house, as well as the national security council officials, in the wake of the news about this delay by hamas. then, this news from qatari officials that this deal was back on. we still have not received any reaction or response from those officials, but we did hear this morning from a senior u.s. official that the president has spoke multiple times yesterday by his security advisor. those things were continuing this morning, so, it's safe to assume those conversations and those updates are being given to the president as they were happening this afternoon. but this hour-long delay, richard, was undoubtedly disappointing for not just u.s. officials, but also, officials of other governments who also have hostages continuing to be held by hamas, as it injected doubts about the next steps about this multi day cease-fire. and it underscores just how fragile and sensitive this deal is. that is something the president and u.s. officials have been saying for weeks now, as these painstaking the goshen's continue. something the president himself talked yesterday about as the steel was announced in its first phase was coming to correction, talking about his behind the scenes diplomatic conversations with the leaders of israel, qatar, egypt, trying to get some sort of deal underway to facilitate this broader release of all hostages. the president talking yesterday about that, saying he still has hope that americans will be among the hostages released as part of this multi day cease-fire, according to these qatari mediators, it seems americans will not be included in today's, as they say, that the hamas will release 13 israelis and seven foreigners in exchange for 39 palestinians. but the president and u.s. officials continue to say they are hopeful that americans will be included as part of this multi day deal. they don't have any indication as to why americans wouldn't be included in that, considering remember, the first sausages we did see hamas release were an american mother and daughter. they were released two weeks after this war began. a senior administration official said this morning that that gives them hope. that that was the first step of more to come. they say quote, the president secured the release of two american citizens as the pilot to this larger release of hostages. a early in the process that we'll see at least 50 won and children released during the first phase ofhe agreement. we are hopeful that will include three dual national women and children who are american citizens, referring to two u.s. women, as well as a four year old girl. so, a lot of progress, certainly, to celebrate so far. but still a long way to go, and, again the president and u.s. officials continue to say they are optimistic that americans will be included in that. richard? >> the very latest from the white house. allie raffa, thank you for that reporting. jeremy bash still with us. going to take short break, jeremy will join us to get analysis on what we've just learned from allie raffa, and david noriega, they are in israel. we will be right back. we will be right back. welcome back to msnbc with breaking news here, for just joining us this hour, the breaking news at this moment in terms of hamas and israel, and the exchange for prisoners for hostages. that was largely delayed throughout the entire day. until the top of this hour, where we learn from a statement from qatari officials but both qatar, as well as hamas, are saying they believe that most likely, and we're being very careful, because this statement has just come out, that it will continue that the hostages that were listed and, given yesterday, through qatar to officials, idf, of the names will be happening. they believe it will be happening. that's the statement fromqatar from our reporting, david moraga, i'm also saying the same thing. jeremy bash still with us. jeremy, you've had a moment to think through, when you saw the reporting from l.a. rough on this and the president being very much involved. in the negotiations to get through this six-page agreement of the wall street journal is saying was put together in the end. way back and forth, this is something you are very much experienced in. the back and forth, not behind the scenes work on this agreement. what is your reflection now on what we might see for the rest of today? >> look, i think it's concerning from the perspective of the united states that americans were not included in the first two rounds of prisoner releases. the white house has clearly telegraphed that it's their expectation that to women, to american women, adrian and liat, as well as baby abigail, will be in this first group of 50. i think the tough implication there is the other eight americans will not be released. , so it's going to be incumbent upon the white house and i know they are very focused on this, to stay resolutely focused on getting all americans out of hamas custody. by the way, we should say at the outset here that despite this back and forth between hamas and israel, there is absolutely nothing preventing hamas from just releasing all 240 hostages. they could do that tomorrow. there is nothing preventing them from doing that. now, they've decided they want to meters this out and gain days of quiet, and they will have an opportunity to do so. in fact, i think they will probably be in the driver seat once they really sausages, they will gain cease-fire days. so, that works to hamas's advantage. but the united states government together with our allies in the region, including israel, are going to continue focusing on getting all the hostages at home safely. >> going forward, as we have just heard the statement from qatari officials, how important is egypt? how important is qatar in making sure that all of the americans, all of the hostages are released going forward? it is clear the relationship between hamas and qatar is not a simple one. but it is necessary during this process. >> -- seems to have the best channel with hamas leadership, because i must've pockets reside in doha, qatar. and tomas has brokered many cease-fires. they have been involved in mediation for the better part of 15 years. israel left the gaza strip in 2005. we've been saying this all throughout this crisis, but it's important to reiterate. israel has not been in gaza. israel does not control gaza. israel has not had military presence in gaza. so, qatar has played a role, egypt has played a role, egypt, by the, way has that continuous land border with gaza strip. eta egypt controlled the gaza strip between 1950 and 1967. when we talk about the day after, the future governments of the gaza strip, how to ensure there is security for israel and for u.s. interest in the region. egypt is going to have to play a major role, as our other arab countries there in the middle east. >> talking about egypt and being attached or connected to gaza strip, we have live pictures here from the rafah border crossing. which we do expect, happens as the qataris and hamas are saying when the hostages are released, they will come through this very crossing that we saw yesterday, jeremy. jeremy, as we are moving forward, day five is a possibility. idf saying if more hostages are released, there could be an additional day of quiet. additional day of truce. what needs to happen right now to broker date five? to broker that possibility of extending this fight period? >> that's a great question, richard. i think the most important thing are these international community for red cross visitation rights to validate that the hostages are where we think they are, that they are in good health, that first of, all that they are alive. we actually haven't gotten confirmation that all 11 americans are even alive at this moment. hersh goldberg cohen has, i think, as the viewers know as an american who was previously wounded. his arm is blown off by a grenade thrown by hamas terrorists. when he was after that the music festival, we don't know if he survived those wounds, if he's alive. the red cross needs to visit him and tell the world, community that he's alive and where he is. this is the worst hostage crisis that has faced the united states since the 1970s, since u.s. diplomats were in tehran, but at that time, those were grown adults. those were u.s. government officials. those were in a facility, where we knew where they were. we knew their names. i think the most important thing that we need right now, richard answer, your questions, we need information. information about the whereabouts and the well-being of the americans and all the hostages, from 30 nationalities, jewish and christian and other religions and nationalities, from 30 countries. we need to know where they are. we need to know that they're well. hamas needs to grant that information to the united states and to israel, so that if there's going to be further exchanges and further cease-fires, beyond this four-day period, it can be done based on solid information and solid, factual basis. >> the sum of snow, actually, the number of hostages that have been taken, that are in their custody? and what about the other malicious that have also potentially taken hostages during this period? how does the united states, such as israel and the idf, handle that? >> if hamas doesn't know, it's willful blindness. it's a maligned blindness, meaning they can know. they are the government. they are the authority in the gaza strip. if control of the gaza strip, since 2007. they're not just a bunch of ragtag people on the back of a pick up truck, who just rolled into town. they have been in control, 100% of the gaza strip, since 2007. if they want to find out, they can find out. they could force law and order, that suits their purposes. they gain access to information inside gaza, for -- purposes. they control the territory, and they control the information. so, if they wanted to find out, if they want to make clear is their number one priority to know the whereabouts of the well-being of every single one of the 240 hostages, including 11 americans, that could do that tomorrow. now, they might have to expensive political capital. they might have to contain some of the other terrorist groups inside the gaza strip. they may have to, in essence, go into an inter -- battle some of these other groups, but they have the capacity, the capability to do, that if they're not doing, it's because i don't want to deal with. they want some plausible deniability. the united states and qatar and egypt and others should say, that is absolutely unacceptable. >> you have to know who you are negotiating with, from what you know about hamas military leader, who was a former prisoner also in israel. part of the gilad shalit exchange as well. he is leading this a very hamas effort of taking the hostages of the terroristic act that in the south of israel. can he be trusted? you see in a different space today that he is in a different part of his career? >> his name is a guy gets in war. he is, in effect, the osama bin laden of hamas. he is the number one terrorist leader. now, it's like asking the united states after 9/11, six weeks after 9/11, can't just negotiate with osama bin laden? no, we can't. we're going to have to hunt them down. we're going to have to kill them. and i think that's the ultimate objective of the idf here. they're going to have to take out the leadership of hamas. there may be people inside the palestinian community, there may be people inside gaza, who are going to be part of a future governance, future security structure, of gaza. i think that is understood. but this guy, yes in war, who came out of prison and engineered and masterminded the massacre of 1300 israelis, raping of women, beheading of children, hostage taking, i don't see him as part of any responsible future governance. if we're relying on a guy like that to keep the peace, we are in big trouble. i don't think the united states or israel or our allies in the region are going to countdown us for that. >> it went to characterize as we look at why, potentially, we are having this hour by hour, day-by-day question of whether an agreement that was made with him through the qataris and the egyptians will make it through. certainly, you outlined the difficulty here and the challenges to making that day forward. jeremy bash is gonna stay with us. jeremy, great analysis as always. thank you for that. during this segment, we're going to take a short break. why don't we come back, we have new details that we may be we able to share with you about exactly who will be released. he hostages that we have been talking about during these last few segments, as well as on the palestinian side, the prisoners that were released there. that breaking news, right after this. this ade for people like sam, who make- everyday products, designed smarter. like a smart coffee grinder, that orders fresh beans for you. oh, genius! for more breakthroughs like that- i need a breakthrough card. like ours! with 2.5% cash back on purchases of $5,000 or more. plus unlimited 2% cash back on all other purchases. and with greater spending potential, sam can keep making smart ideas- a brilliant reality! the ink business premier card from chase for business. make more of what's yours. teeth sensitivity is so common. it immediately feels like somebody's poking directly on the nerve. i recommend sensodyne. sensodyne toothpaste goes inside the tooth and calms the nerve down. and my patients say you know doc, it really works. the power goes out and we still have wifi andto do our homework.wn. and that's a good thing? great in my book! who are you? no power? no problem. introducing storm-ready wifi. now you can stay reliably connected through power outages with unlimited cellular data and up to 4 hours of battery back-up to keep you online. only from xfinity. and welcome back to our home of the xfinity 10g network. breaking news coverage here on msnbc. we have some new information on who might be released. this, again, the top of the hour, we learned that through qatari officials that the exchange was still going to happen. it is expected to happen. that, we're getting information about the number and on which side we will expect that number, from both the idf, as well as hamas. let's go straight to david arreaga, who's been reporting for us there in israel. and he will let us know what we know right now, in terms of those numbers. >> yeah, richard. but we've just heard from the qatari foreign ministry is on the site of israeli hostages to be released, we expect 13 israeli hostages to be released tonight. that is a children and five women. on top of, that there will be seven foreign nationals released outside of the framework of this, hostages for prisoners exchange. we also know that on the palestinian prisoners side, there will be 39 prisoners released, you already three children, and six women. however, i want to add a little bit of detail to that last point. we actually have the names of the palestinian prisoners who were released, which we got from the palestinian prisoners society. it's an organization that represents palestinian prisoners in the west bank. the names of the six women that are set to be released tonight are precisely those women who are serving the longest sentences from that original list of 300 prisoners. from which these released prisoners were going to be drawn from. those are the ones we were expecting to be released yesterday, and we're not. which is what, you know, seems to have thrown some of this into question, because israel had agreed to release them according to how long they had been in person. they are now set to be released tonight. so, this suggests in the nitty-gritty of it, it suggests that this is back on track. >> and david, do we expect on this relay stuff happen, for it to happen in a similar way, at similar locations that we saw last night? >> yes. so, the release of palestinian prisoners is expected to happen from israeli military prison in ramallah, in the west bank. there are crowds of people there, waiting for them to be released, as there were last night. and the expectation also is the israeli and foreign national hostages will be released through rafah crossing into egypt. richard? >> it is 2:31 in the east. it is 9:30 or you are at. take us through the day. we just had a lot of developments in the last 30 minutes. how did it start? where are we right now? >> yeah, richard. so, for most of the day, things seemed to be on track. you know, around midnight, after midnight last night, we started getting some indications that this pattern that we saw last night was going to repeat itself today. the general expectation was that things won't happen as planned. then, in just the last couple of hours, there was a moments of high anxiety, where it seems like maybe things we're off track, specifically because hamas was saying israel had not abided by a few different details in the agreement. and they said they were delaying the release of the hostages. that there was a moment, honestly, worn it seemed like potentially, the entire agreement could collapse. , however we then heard from the qatari foreign ministry and from hamas itself that they were willing to move forward with the release of hostages, given that israel had, once and again, committed to the point of the agreement. i must initially said that they had violated, and, now we are getting details about not only the hostages who are going to be released, but the palestinian prisoners who are going to be released. at this point, as of just the last five or ten minutes, we are pretty much back in the same place where we were yesterday evening. so, from where i'm standing right now, the way that it looks as we can expect the rest of the night to play up similarly to how it played out last night. and, you know, four holes, we're going to be going through this again tomorrow in the next day. it never stops being tense. in their subs being fragile. it never subs being tenuous. as i've been saying over and over, this is not just day by day. it is not hour by hour. it is minute by minute. richard? and david, i guess we are about a half a day behind what we saw yesterday, if we were to look at the way day one of this truce transpired, now in day two of this truce, we are about a half day behind. is that about right? >> i think so. we're definitely at least a few hours behind, you know, it's relatively early, right? it's 9:30 here. i think maybe things will be different if we were going into the next, stay right? if we were getting close to midnight. but it's still today, you know? so, it's only day two. it's only day two of four. this was definitely a nice moment we were in the last couple of hours, but again, just to stress, we're back on. tracker back. contractors of all hours left in the day, and even if something like this happens again tomorrow, we're still going to be operating within the framework of that four-day cease-fire agreement, hostages for prisoners exchange, aid trucks into gaza, that deal is holding. >> and the approach yesterday was, wait and see. until you see those hostages crossing the rafah crossing there, until you see those prisoners being released, it's not happening until it does happen. of course, we'll watch that again tonight. david, thank you so much. this is that crossing we were just alluding to. you don't see, at least in this particular video, that anything has transpired, despite the qataris saying within the last hour, that yes, the transfer would still happen, hamas released hostages this they. 9:34 local time, joining us now, have a sham all, a former spokesperson for the u.s. mission to the united nations, in syria. and lebanon director of the national security council under president obama. good to see you. you know, when we are looking at this at, the moment, and they've was just telling us, it's believed, based on the reporting, we're going to see dave to happen. we're going to have to be careful here, especially when we're talking about international policy, especially when we're talking about the issues related to hamas. what are you looking at, in terms of the tiktok we have seen so far? >> well, it's as you, said it's extremely tenuous. it's very difficult. in situations like this, particularly when you have two sides who so deeply, deeply distrust each other. by the, way that will probably be the case with anyone who has taken hostages. you can have two sides that do not trust each other, where every single logistical detail needs to be formed out, and anything can go wrong. so, it's not surprising to me, unfortunately, that there will be hiccups along the way, that something like this might be misunderstood or misinterpreted, that one small delay could end up unraveling the whole thing. that is why is so critical that you have partners like qatar and egypt really playing their role. they have very close relationships, obviously, qatar allows hamas leaders to fund-raise, to recruit inside qatar. they give money to hamas, so they maintain that relationship. and all i certainly would never condone that, the u.s. government when i had promised never folio when i worked in qatar terrorism we placed a lot of pressure on qatar about that, in a situation like this, it's very useful to have that relationship. , so they're going to be playing a very big role in making sure the steal continues and stays on track. but any small slip is very normal, and typical, and by the way, especially when you're dealing with a terrorist organization, it's not and surprising that sometimes, that could be something that actually happens, like a problem. sometimes, it's just that they want to play with everyone's minds, to be honest with you. >> who has influence on the moderate? now you heard jeremy bash, a little earlier, describing the leader, military leader of hamas, who led this terrorist massacre in the south, then, took the hostages thereafter. if that's the person they have to negotiate with, and this is something you certainly know better, how do they conduct that day to day? how do they deal with these hiccups, as recalling, them there's probably a much stronger word related to what we've seen today. but how does one influence a leader like that? we're talking about mr. similar, who leads hamas. >> yeah. for starters, you're not going to have direct negotiations usually. with, for example, the israeli side to yasin war or head of leadership. it wouldn't go very far. you need somebody in the middle to be playing that go between, going back and forth between the two. then, you need to have other partners and players that egypt will come in, united states will come, in that have the interests of a certain side, for, us obviously, is going to be the israeli side. and obviously, our own hostages that are involved in the group. and our goals is about encouraging those negotiations to continue, because it would be very easy for either side to say, you know what? forget. i want to go through with this. and that's where you have the value of these other partners saying hey, listen, there's an argument to be made here. this is why this is -- keep an eye on the ball. and, after you could do. it, so from the u.s. side, the u.s. is going to play very big role in not only advising the israeli government, of course, and encouraging that to maintain the release of hostages as a priority, but when you have gone through this pause, and the release of hostages, assuming it all goes well, it allows the u.s. to advise the israeli government and military on a strategy going forward, that is, perhaps, a bit more surgical and deliberate. where civilian casualties are limited or avoided. >> so, up to this point, before we got the announcement from the qataris, as well as hamas, it said, yes this is still going to happen. but we are learning is that, well, i'm also saying we are not gonna go through with the release because we have not received all the trucks that we, that was part of this agreement. it's just a political positioning point? it's just a negotiating point? or is this potentially, also, just logistical, if there are hundreds of trucks trying to make it into a battered area like the gaza strip, after being bombarded by the idf for days, is that a possibility here? that's only the political position negotiating that always will happen, as we make it to the end of these four days, or is it just physically difficult to get in hundreds of these big trucks to the places they need to go? how is that part of the conversation? >> you know, richard, you've hit the nail on the head with all of the possible scenarios that you've outlined that could be the case in terms of what has caused the problem with the humanitarian aid. the fact that that's probably a mix of all of them. because someone, hand, yes you have got the difficulty in bringing in that much aid in small border crossings where, by the way, you have a lot of gaza vets has been reduced to rubble. so, you have that problem. just the sheer logistics and difficulty in doing that in such a short period of time. you got off the fact that hamas has an interesting in giving some of that humanitarian aid for themselves, and we already know that they do. that we know they have been taking aid and storing it in tunnels. we know they have been taking morphine, for example, and taking it away from hospitals to use. hamas is a terrorist organization, at the end of the day. this will be difficult with any other warring partner, or worrying party, but when you're talking about a terrorist organization that doesn't play by the same rules, it is hard to believe anything they say. some of it could be logistical difficulties. some of it could be they want to skim off the top for themselves. some of it could be they are lying just to make people feel vulnerable and weak, to play on their nerves and their emotions. and that is a very close strategy, of, course of terrorist -- >> various independent parties that are in disposition, with the can be best positioned, by the red cross, could give us some information where we not have it otherwise. as we both know that part of this agreement was that there would be no drone usage during this period, so, this also makes it quite difficult in the zone. as the aid is making it across into the gaza strip. hagar, sand. by we're going to take a short break. we have some new information coming in from the white house. we'll be right back. l be right back. the long-lasting scent of gain flings made it smell like dave was in his happy place... ...the massage chair at the mall. but...he wasn't. gain flings with oxi boost and febreze. 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this first was released by the qataris and tomas, and david noreika, of corresponded to israel, it was telling us you have more information about what the white house was going through during that time. >> that's right, richard. in just the last few hours, we have reached out to the white house, to the national security council, and we heard this news from hamas that there had been a delay, as to this hostage release. , then again, we followed up in like the feet news from qatari mediators that the steel was back on, and it just the last few minutes, our team has heard back from white house and -- white house officials saying that quote, we are working with qatar, egypt, and israel on implementation of this multi day cease-fire, the steel to release hostages. and the white house and nsc, giving us a bit of detail that was going on behind the scenes, as the president remains in nantucket, wrapping up his family vacation after the thanksgiving holiday. they say the president was briefed throughout the morning on this state of the hostage deal implementation. at 10 am, he spoke directly with the emir of qatar, and the qatari prime minister, and potential holds up to the steel and mechanisms to resolve them. following the presidents call, they say senior u.s. officials were in regular contact with the israelis, the qataris, and egyptians to overcome hurdles to its implementation. they say the president was briefed throughout the day. that's in addition to the several briefings he received from national security adviser, jake sullivan, yesterday. and then they wrapped up by saying at 1:30 pm, white house officials learned from the qataris that the deal was back on, and the icrc was moving to collect the hostages. the president was also updated on the latest developments. so, the last few hours, richard, just underscoring how incredibly fragile insensitive this negotiations have been, since they started, when this war began. that is something that the president and white house officials have stressed for six weeks now. how incredibly fragile this was, how every piece to this puzzle had to fit perfectly for this to be able to come to fruition successfully, but no doubt a sigh of relief for the president, for u.s. officials who worked painstakingly on these negotiations behind the scenes. >> yeah, ali, what your reporting is exactly what we were learning just within the last week about how involved this president was in the last, you know, 7 to 10 days to get this agreement done, and yesterday during his comments, as we reported earlier, he was saying he had made several calls, just within recent days, to make sure this deal was brokered and did start. started a day like, as we know, and as we were reporting for various, small but very large details, so, this president continues, at, least to be very involved with this process. even on this, and again, lack of a better word right, now but it is hiccup today. . >> absolutely, and that is something that we have continued hearing from white house officials since this war began. the president was heavily bleeding on his foreign policy chops, on his decades-long relationship with prime minister netanyahu, to be able to have a very direct and personal connection to these ongoing negotiations. he talked just yesterday, has this deal was being announced, about the constant communication and the behind the scenes diplomacy he has been directly engaged with over the last few weeks. speaking multiple times to not just prime minister netanyahu on a regular basis, but also the leaders of qatar, of jordan, of egypt. qatar, of course, spearheading this effort to be able to communicate with hamas and playing this role as mediator to be able to get this hostage deal accomplished. but the president, as you said, very directly involved in these negotiations that are still ongoing. we heard the president and u.s. officials say that they're hopeful that americans will be among the hostages released as part of this multi-day cease-fire. including at least three americans, the two women and a four year old girl, that the president says he hopes will be released as part of this four-day long deal. but at this point, there is no indication of that, that those people will be released today. but there's still no indication, also, that they won't be released. as we saw the first two hostages released by hamas, or americans, an american mother and daughter that were at least two weeks after the war began, richard. >> now, all indications, as you're saying, ali, we will wait to see who the faces are, when and if they arrive at locations. like what you are seeing on the left side of your screen. the rafah border crossing for the hostages held by hamas. then, we will also be watching the scenes that are in the west bank as the prisoners are released there. and as she alluded to, there are, according to what we understand now, seven foreigners that will be released by hamas. whether or not they include americans, we don't know. it is not expected, but we will have to wait to see what happens on the rafah border crossing. 9:52 local time, all right, a garcia molly joins us right now. jeremy bash still with us, jeremy, what do you make of how involved this president is, even at this hour? even during this wrinkle of day two? >> president biden has been incredibly hands-on during this entire crisis. he sent two carrier strike groups to the middle east to deter iran. he told israel, we have got your back. he traveled to israel and stood with israel in israel as it was consoling victims, and we reached out to first responders. he hasn't been engaged heavily in diplomatic activity, talking to leaders of egypt of saudi arabia, of jordan, a figure eight years. of course, of qatar. and now, asked this hostage deal seems to hit a speed bump here on day two, of this temporary pause, the president had to pick up the phone and call his counterparts in the region to ensure that everything remains on track. this is a president who is incredibly steeped in this issue. he is passionate about bringing americans home. he is passionate about standing with their ally, israel. he is passionate about protecting america's interest in the middle east. one of the things that's gone on in the background here is iranian forces have been attacking american troops in syria, and the president aside to order airstrikes against multiple locations, multiple weapons, cashes, and facilities, and terrorist training camps that are run by iran in the middle east. so, president biden cannot get a moment of respite in this crisis, and in some ways, foreign policy expertise. his foreign policy leadership is really on terrific display for the american people during this moment. >> we are watching that happen, well said, jeremy. and hagar, we cannot forget that benjamin netanyahu and joseph biden actually share the same political view on the world. yet, they are still working here very closely. >> well, sure. i mean, for the united states in particular, israel has been a non-nato ally since 1987. regardless of the leadership, that relationship is very special. it will remain very close, and there are a lot of reasons for that. it's not just because of our support for israel, it's because of the exchange we have between the two of us. it's a very deep relationship, a special relationship, and before it every president of every administration say that and reinforce that. so, regardless of our reservations that we have with prime minister netanyahu's internal domestic policies, his judicial overhaul, his personal interest that he was trying to advance, that doesn't mean that it will undermine how the united states feels about israel security overall. and that, by the way, has very broad bipartisan support in washington. even if you have several -- voices about aid to israel, is really the minority. that's because regardless, this is a relationship that stay cement. it's a, with netanyahu, has obviously been in office for a very long time, and even with the absences that he said, he is the partner we're going to deal with, and i would say that i don't know that his time in office is going to be very long, but that just goes to show you even further, that if it's him or the next person, we will continue to have in that very strong relationship. >> headline, working through difference for solidarity to get through this crisis. i think it's what you're both saying. hagar, thank you so much. hagar chemali. jeremy bash, as always, or anything short. break where it will be watching this very video on the left-hand side, and it appears that the exchange is back on after this hour. we will be looking at the rafah border crossing. we will be looking at the west bank, short break, the latest for you, at the top of the hour. hour in order for small businesses to thrive, they need to be smart, efficient, savvy. making the most of every opportunity. that's why comcast 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