trump's tirade during a pause in a gag order. as we bid you all a very good day from msnbc world headquarters here in new york, welcome, everyone, to alex witt reports. we are beginning this hour with that breaking news. some pretty fast moving developments on this day, 50 since the hamas attack on israel. anxious families, still waiting for the release of a second group of hostages scheduled today, while the fragility of the deal between israel and hamas is coming out a full view. hamas, in a statement, now says it is delaying the hostage release, claiming that israel is in breach of the truce agreement. but yesterday, hamas released 24 hostages, while israel released 39 palestinian prisoners. we are also seeing some pretty dramatic video, a family reunions, like 19 year old -- his mom, karen, and grandmother ruth e. came face to face with their loved ones after being held captive. we also have -- and her daughter's, who were also released. they've been reunited there with their loved ones. photos of mother and daughter, daniel and emilia -- they were released by the schneider children's hospital. and -- moses was also reunited with her family. her son showed these photos saying, mom is back. -- who was taken from a kibbutz near oz, this on a golf cart, was reunited with her family. these photos shared by her grandchildren. hannah catcher was also taken and released by hamas from her safe, taken from her safe home there in the kibbutz. her husband was killed. also released on friday, more ship from that same kibbutz. her husband was also killed. she returns to her children and grandchildren. and then there is hanna perry, mom of three. one was murdered, another kidnapped. she has diabetes and suffers from severe vision loss. we have a number of reporters from israel to washington prairie to go cover all the days of elements for. you're going to force nbc's david -- he's running us from jerusalem. david, welcome. so, disappointing news we got about an hour ago, the delay in the hostage for prisoner exchange today. what are the details? what are we hearing overall? >> yeah, hi, alex. what we know so far, we've heard mostly from the hamas side of this. hamas is saying that they have delayed the release of israeli hostages. we don't know by exactly how long. what they're seeing -- directly from a member of masalit are ship. they're seeing the delay the hostage release, specifically because israel failed to abide by two or three specific points in their side of the deal. for one, they said that they did not allow the entry of the agreed upon a number of aid trucks into gaza. what they say is the agreed upon number was at least 200 a day. we did hear from the palestinian red crescent earlier, they are the organization that actually sort of receives and distributes this aid. yesterday, 196 trucks got into gaza. so that's, for less than what hamas says was the agreed upon amount. hamas is also saying that israel has not been releasing palestinian prisoners, according to the agreed upon terms, which have to do with releasing first, those prisoners who had been imprisoned for the longest periods of time. we know, for example, that there is, i can tell you about one prisoner who has been israeli custody for over eight years, who was not released yesterday. and i can also tell you about prisoners who were released yesterday who were imprisoned for periods, in some cases, far shorter than that. i know directly about one, for example, that was an israeli custody for 11 months. importantly, alex, we have not yet heard from the israeli side. there is, however, supposed to be a press conference by an idf spokesperson in the next hour, actually, in the next 45 minutes or so. so, that will give us kind of the other half of this equation. it is very important the response that we are waiting to hear. in the meantime, though, this is an incredibly anxious moment. it's been an anxious anxious moment this whole time. you know, even when things were running more or less according to plan, it was understood to be very fragile, very fluid. this is the first we are seeing things not going according to plan. so obviously, tensions are very, very high here in israel tonight. alex? >> listen, 100% fragile, food, there's a very apropos descriptions. can i just ask you quickly, david? the person that you know to have been held prisoner in israel for eight years versus the person of 11 months, do you know if there is a distinction between the reasons for which they are behind bars? >> yes, there is. so, some of the people, some of the prisoners in question were sentenced, convicted and sentenced for, in some cases, violent crimes. that -- attempted murder, right? in many other cases, people were being held without trial or even without charges. i can tell you that the person who is in for 11 months, we were told by their family, that this is a 17 year old boy who was arrested under what is called, in the context of israeli military, justice in the occupied west bank, administrative detention, which is where they can hold someone, again, without charges. most of the people who are serving these longer sentences, again, those were sentences for convictions. years-long sentences for convictions. those were the people who are expected to be released yesterday and were not. alex? >> okay, david noriega, the report there from jerusalem, thank you so much for that. let's go from there to nbc's allie raffa, who's at the white house for us. a couple of things, ali. i know last hour, we had just gotten word about this delay in the release of these second days worth of hostages. have you heard anything officially from the white house? again, that had come in moments before we got to you. so, there was not time to do that and also, i'm curious what we're hearing about the president, about the role he is playing in this hostage release. >> yeah, alex, we reached out to white house officials as well as officials with the national security council about this statement by hamas, about the reasoning behind this delay of the release of this new batch of hostages. we have not received a response yet, that's something we're continuing to follow up on. but as you can imagine, as you heard david talk about their, the fragility and the fluidity of this deal, that is something that the president and white house officials have talked about and underscored since this war began. and you can see how this latest development threatens that behind the scenes diplomatic relations, diplomatic communications that the president and senior administration officials have been working on for weeks now. the president yesterday, directly linking himself to this latest development, this deal that was struck between hamas and israel, and qatar, to release these hostages, saying that he had been in constant communication with the leaders of qatar, jordan, egypt, and israel, to be able to get this done. remember, we even saw, four weeks, that shuttle diplomacy by secretary of state antony blinken, to be able to facilitate this deal. listen to what the president had to say about that yesterday. >> from the moment hamas kidnapped these people, i, along with my team, have worked around the clock to secure the release. i have consistently press for a pause in the fighting. for two reasons. to accelerate and expand humanitarian assistance going into gaza, and to, to facilitate the release of hostages. over the past several weeks, i've spoken repeatedly with the mayor of qatar, the president -- egypt, prime minister netanyahu of israel, to help secure this deal, to nail it down. i want to thank all three's leaders for their personal partnership to get this done. >> and alex, as we heard from the reporting about this statement, we don't know how long this pause is going to last. hamas did not indicate that in the latest statement. but as far as the release of american hostages, that's something that the president and white house officials have continued to say is their number one priority, and we heard the president be very honest with the american people in that speech yesterday, where he said, quote, we don't know what the list of all the hostages are and when they will be released. but we know the numbers that are going to be released, referring to the notice that these different governments are given when hamas decides to release these batches of hostages. president biden, senior administration officials, say they continue to be hopeful that americans are among the hostages released as part of this multi-day cease-fire. at this point, we don't have any indication as to why americans would not be included in this released by hamas, considering the first hostages to be released by hamas were an american mother and daughter that were released two weeks after the war began. and a senior administration official this morning indicated hope that because of those two releases,that war would be on the way. secure the release of twodent american citizens as the pilot to this larger release of hostages. we are early in the process that we'll see at least 50 women and children released during the first phase of the agreement. we are hopeful that will include three dual national wo and children who are american citizens. they go on to say that this is going to unfold over the coming days and they are not commenting on the individual hostage cases. obviously, this latest development, as far as the delay of that hostage release, potentially throwing a wrench into these plans. but we continue to monitor this and we know the president is doing so as well, from his nantucket home over the holiday. >> ali, i appreciate that very much. we believe three americans may be among these hostages released. to your point, there is no reason to expect that they will not be. so, that's what we're working with at the moment. thank you, ali. let's bring in martin fletcher, former nbc news tel aviv bureau chief and a good friend to us. martin, i know specifically what ali was reporting that those two americans that were released at the very start of all this, their relatives of yours. i'm going to ask you about them and how they're faring, in just a moment. but given your decades of experience covering the situations like this, what is concerning the most, has hamas is telling nbc news what they're calling italy. what do you think is going on behind the scenes right now? >> well, i suppose that part of me psychological warfare by hamas against israel. in those numbers that even mentioned, are correct, and i assume they are, that only four track loads of goods were issued into gaza, for short of the goal. you know, that doesn't seem like a reason to stop the exchange. >> right? >> and the question of whether or not the hostages, or prisoners released by israel fix the deal that was made in terms of timing and how long they've been inside. again, it's not really a good reason to stop these extraordinarily important moments of swapping hostages in gaza for prisoners in israeli jails. so, presumably, it's a matter of pressure and also the question i suppose of the, you know, why were they not be releasing american hostages at this moment? would those three be included in this latest deal for today? well, you know, there is a question of, because president biden has emphasized so strongly how important it is for him to release these three american hostages, in particular, the little child, well, you know, that gives him leverage over the united states. so, that may be part of the equation. i do not know. but it's certainly on past performance, possible that the moment hamas understands where the weak spot is of the opponent, that's how they've been dealing with israel for a very long time, that's the spot they go for. so, that could be part of the equation to. >> so, give me your sense of where this leaves the rest of this deal, what you think has to happen to get this thing back on track? >> well, i don't know, to be honest. hamas has to climb down from the tree they just put themselves on. we haven't heard a specific response yet, an official response yet from israel, about how they plan to react to this delay. but there were reports, unconfirmed reports, that security officials were saying two things. one, that they are waiting to hear from instructions from the israeli government and to, that if the hostage exchange does not go ahead today, as planned by midnight, israel time, then israel would resume the fighting on the ground. so, that's also, you know, this is where this is going. if there is no solution today for what was planned to happen today, then israel will need to take the, draw the appropriate conclusion, which may be, well, okay, no deal, the work continues. >> oh boy. as you know, benjamin netanyahu says he's committed to the return of all the abductees. but i'm curious about the hamas side. where is the biggest risk? let me offer this. it was brought up in the show in the last hour. you may agree. i had ostapenko sheet or formerly with the fbi who worked in very tight situations, both in iraq and afghanistan, with release of hostages. and he said, as he was watching the israeli hostages being released, he was really concerned for their safety. he said, he felt like they were sitting ducks for anybody, as they were being released. anybody could've done anything they wanted to. there was not some protective environment that they were released. is that something that bothers you? do you worry about that as well? >> personally, it's not my job to worry about, it but i think the people who should be concerned are very concerned. i mean, that's the weak point. that's the moment of where anything can go wrong. you know, driving in a couple of vehicles through the gaza strip, reaching the border with rafah, that's a very exposed situation. i mean, remember one thing. these hostages presumably are hidden in various places around the gaza strip. they need to be collected into one point, then they may need to drive from that point to the handover place, position on the border. that means they're very exposed during that entire period and that is one reason why at the beginning of this whole situation, and -- my editors were freed, there was also a pause, which israel said, we won't be bombing, there must of been an agreed upon exit route for the hostages to be taken along, that israel said, we are not bombing this area during this period. and so, that would've been an agreement reached between hamas and israel, through the interlocutors, america and qatar. but yeah, totally agree, the weak point is the movement of the hostages from one place to the other, anything can happen. >> yeah, absolutely. another one helping to further this along as egypt and the officials there say they are getting some strong signals that both sides might be open to extending this truce by at least one day, and then release even more than the agreed upon 50 hostages of palestinian prisoners in exchange. is that plausible to you, at this point? particularly taking into account the last hour and 15 minutes, when we saw this delay being officially recognized by hamas. >> yeah, no, i think it's very possible. first of all, they said the idea of extending the pause by one day and releasing ten hostages during that day, then continuing that, i mean, that's very possible because, you know, everybody's interest is to do that, in one sense. but not militarily, i should add. israel once as many hostages out as they can get and hamas wants to extend the humanitarian pause as long as possible, because they're regrouping, they are re-arming, they are getting in contact with each other, restoring communications. militarily, the longer the pause goes on, the better it is for hamas and the worse it is for israel, because israel loses the pressure, the momentum they've been building up militarily. on the other hand, the -- israel because they get more hostages back. so, this can certainly go on for a few more days and it will be -- interest on both sides. remember one thing, 240 hostages is a lot for hamas to deal with. so, you know, the removing the women, removing the children, removing the sick, elderly, this is good for hamas. they've still got 150 prisoners hostages so they can negotiate with. they are getting rid of the more vulnerable hostages. so, -- the longer it goes on, the better it is for hamas, militarily and partly in terms of the hostages it holds. but it's worse for israel militarily, but better in terms of getting more hostages. so, a complex situation that the united states, president biden is right on top of and i think both sides, hamas and israel, need american pressure to get this done and to finish with this issue, then to see what the future holds for both sides. >> yeah, i will ask you quickly how i guess is your wife's relatives, those two that were released who had one beautiful young lady, 17 years old, a mother and daughter. i think she was going to celebrate her 18th birthday and get home in time to do that. how are they doing? >> you know, i cannot answer, i don't know, they haven't spoken to me outside of their immediate family. it's clear what is happening, they're just trying to deal with the traumatic experience they had. i'm sure we have no idea how traumatic it was. and so, what we can learn from judith and natalie is that the hostages, have they've been freed day-by-day, totally traumatized, it's going to be very difficult to express what their feelings are and to deal with them. they're going to be debrief by the military and the secret services immediately, but they are going to probably stay silent in the same way my family did. >> yeah, understandably so. -- love and hugs for their safe recovery from all of this. okay, martin fletcher, always love and hooks you, my friend, thank you. later on this hour, new twists in the 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