protect the nation and the public interest? both men have now served as president, so their actual records can be assessed. for all the understandable focus on trump's legal problems and controversies and rhetoric, it was his substantive handling of the covid panic that dragged him down in the eyes of many americans who concluded he failed that task when faced with that all-important leadership test. as for trump, he said at the time he did not see the emergency as his test of a lifetime. >> was there a moment in all of this last two months where you said to yourself, ah, this is the leadership test of a lifetime? >> no. >> no, and no hesitation. now, that is a small part of one of trump's news worthy interviews with legendary journalist bob woodward who secured more time with president trump than any other writer. 20 interviews across that stretch. trump sometimes making the calls. somethinge apparently now regrets. the former president is suing woodward, we should note, over publishing these interviews he agreed to. many legal experts say trump would be likely to lose based on current law. woodward published the interviews in "the trump tapes" which provides reporting to support his assessment that trump is a unique, unparalleled danger to the nation. that conclusion goes farther, frankly, than much of the journalism woodward has been known for, from breaking stories across watergate that upended the nixon era and history itself, to deep looks at clinton, bush, and the obama years. 21 books in all. most made the bestseller list. two pulitzer prizes. this special we're doing tonight is built around woodward's reporting along with additional government material, public sourcing, and a walk through the recent archives of this pandemic era. so after we show you what we are learning tonight, we will turn to mr. woodward who joins us later in this program. first we're going to walk through some of his reporting. largely chronologically as the pandemic first hit america. if journalism is the first draft of history, let me put it like this. tonight, we are attempting at least the beginning or a bit of or a stab at the second draft of history. documenting the pandemic's early days with knowledge that has been gathered later, knowledge that you see was developed over time as headlines and reporters and all the information came in, that this virus would define our lives and would cause so many deaths, killing more than 1 million americans. more than the number of americans killed in both world wars. again, we all lived through it. we think we know it. we're tired of it. it took more of our fellow citizens' lives than both world wars. so this couldn't matter more. it also upended the social construct. law, politics, our economy, our job, in ways that do continue to reverberate even today. what we're doing tonight is trying to apply this knowledge, as well as the contemporary reporting, on what the president was thinking and doing in private at the time which sometimes bluntly contradicted his public vows to the nation. meaning, even in those early days, there's evidence trump knew it was false to say this back in march 2020. >> it's going to disappear. one day, it's like a miracle, it will disappear. it will go away, just stay calm. it will go away. it will go very quickly. i think we're going to be in veg shape. you know it is going away, and it will go away, and we're going to have a great victory. >> trump was proven wrong, of course. the facts show something that may be worse, though. he had reason to know he was wrong at the time. he was playing it down as a type of strategy even as in other early conversations he admitted that prioritizing accurate warnings would be better, while also referring to how he continued to just play it down. >> they should have let it be known it was a problem two months earlier. i wanted to always play it down. i still like playing it down, because i don't want to create a panic. >> that was march. it was early in that period when covid was heading through america. but it was also clear this couldn't be played down. covid first ravaged new york city as the epicenter of it, you may recall. schools closed march 15th. there was the impending ventilator shortage. trump's first foray into emergencies was limiting ventilators furnished by the federal government. ten days later, new york hospitals were described as that apocalyptic scene. still, though, references to a then mysterious new virus killing patients in ways doctors could not yet understand, let alone prevent. that was not a surprise to then president trump or white house officials, because this had been laid out in briefings and warnings and intelligence. which brings us back to these woodward tapes. trump tells the journalist something that is damning, given that overall record. trump recounts how he told his own son, barron, that warnings were needed months earlier. >> so you told barron, you said, "it's bad, it's bad." and then -- >> i said -- no, i said it's a very bad thing, but we're going to straighten it out. >> did he have any other questions about how are you going -- pandemic, howid it happen? i said, it came out of china, barron, pure and simple, and it should have been stopped. and to be hest with you, baon, they should have let it be kno it was a problem two months rlier, and we wouldn't hive the world wld not -- we have 141 countries have it now. and i said, the world wouldn't have a problem, we could have stopped it easily. >> now, if it was so easy to stop, that would beg the question why it wouldn't stopped. but the warnings go beyond, say, just scientists who should have been heeded. again, with what we've learned over time, it's important to note that trump was hearing this from many different sources. one of his most loyal political aides tried to give him the same warning about two months before the tape you just heard. peter navarro, trade adviser who was later involved in efforts to overturn the election, actually pressed trump with a dire memo warning the coming pandemic could reach the u.s. and leave americans defenseless. in the case of a full-blown coronavirus outbreak as the "times" reported. it was another month later when the cdc issued their warning covid would likely spread to the point that entire schools could be shuttered, that it was inevitable. that week the dow was plummeting in the largest one-day decline in history. which was, of course, a response to those warnings. some of these details are familiar because we lived through them. when you take them all together, they suggest trump was warned by everyone from experts to the loyal aides he listened to on other topics and that he had time to prepare and, faced with that leadership test, he simply didn't. didn't prepare, didn't do the work. turning to the tapes, keep those facts in mind for this exchange from april where woodward presses trump on why he wasn't trying to take more actions to quell the virus. >> what is the first person who made you see how serious this was going to be? >> china, when i saw how many people were dieing. >> but wasn't that in early february when you talked to president xi? >> no, no, it was earlier. look, i did the -- i did the stop. i think in january sometime. toward the latter part of january, bob. >> i suspect if you say, sir, full mobilization, we're at manhattan project level here -- >> no matter what i do, they'll always tell you bad. >> okay, but you know what -- >> i don't care. >> i think people want -- even people who don't like you, people who are opposed to you, want this country to succeed on this. >> well, no. i think there are some people that would rather have it not succeed, okay? that's a big statement, right? >> i hope not. i mean -- >> okay, well, i disagree with you. there are some people that would rather have it not succeed so that they could possibly beat me in the election. all right? >> but they're irrelevant. >> no, they're significant. and they're lying. and they control some of the media. not all of it. i'm doing fine in much of the media. but there's a lot of really fake news out there, bob. >> gives you a window. we do have a lot of indications, most people inside the country wanted the country's effort to succeed. because they could see what was happening. they wanted the death wave to stop. they didn't want to join it. that early body count was rising so fast, do you remember there were makeshift morgues built to try to keep up. new york city deaths doubled compared to nushl that time frame, unlike any spike in history. the only one that comes close is 9/11. we'll return to that point tonight as well, the notion of mobilization against different threats. the densely populated areas were the first to face this pandemic's intensity, and trump knew what i just showed you earlier, was pressing on with the promises of reopening. >> so i'd love to have the country opened up and just raring to go by easter. this country was meant to be open and vibrant and great, not where people are, you know, staying in. we solved every problem, we solved it quickly. the cdc is advising the use of nonmedical cloth face covering. this is voluntary. i don't think i'm going to be doing it. >> he doesn't think he's going to do it. that would change, too, which we'll get to. again what we learned, knowing what we know now, that's how he sounded. you head into may 2020. the u.s. hit 100,000 deaths. the kind of number that shocked people. but it was a fraction of what would come to be a death toll of 1 million americans. trump's press conferences offered a stream of consciousness kind of minimizing of the problem at times. in these tapes there's a different note owe editionally. trump acknowledged the reality of covid flaring up around the world, then back to the claims he had i uer control. >> it's flaring up a or the world, bob. by the way, all over the world. that was one thing i noticed last week. you know, they talk about this country. all over the world, it's flaring up. but we have it under control. >> when cases were skyrocketing when trump said that, breaking records for the largest single case spikes to date. dr. fauci was leading public health messaging, encouraging more drastic measures like the lockdowns in areas with surging cases. again, i showed you how trump sounded then. there's how he and other officials sounded, hitting a different note than trump's response. >> more than 57,000 new cases of coronavirus have been reported in the u.s. in the past4 hours, setting yet another record for new infections. >> the death toll up 46% in the course of a week. >> we are still knee deep in the first wave of this. >> we cannot ignore it, and we cannot call it a hoax. and we cannot misrepresent the facts. >> that was also july. now everyone knows covid was a health crisis, but it also morphed into a misinformation and propaganda crisis. and as donald trump now runs for office again, it is worth recalling the lengths he went to blame and confuse the issue. he took the unprecedented step of making the u.s. formally quit the main international body for coordinating this kind of response, exiting the world health organization in the middle of a pandemic. if you saw that in a movie, it might seem like a hard plot point to believe. that was amidst the testing shortage, cases peaking. there were other steps as well. trump later made a step towards publicly supporting masks, even publicly donning one himself. these tapes also though show, though, no emergency would deter trump's focus on re-election. to be fair to history, he's not the first president to face a crisis while caring about re-election but the tapes suggest something that might come across as a deeper problem. a kind of constant linking of the cost of the virus and his lost political advantages. trump voicing to woodward his blunt view that covid tripped up his campaign and almost casually talking about the impact and the cost of this pandemic more in a metric of trump rallies lost rather than lives lost. >> if we didn't have the virus, i was 10, 12 points up. i was cruising to election. >> yeah, well people are worried about the virus. >> i know that, bob. but the virus has nothing to do with me. with covid, you really can't do rallies -- probably airport rallies. but you can't do the stadium rallies, you can't do the indoor arena rallies. >> you are running against the virus, not joe biden. >> well, i'm running against both. you will see the plan, bob. i've got 106 days. we were riding high. the election was over. i was going to win easily. and all of a sudden we get hit by the china virus. and now i'm working my ass off. >> few presidents have ever been captured lamenting that a threat to the nation required them to work hard. contrasting, accurate advice shared with their own family and the misleading information they're presenting to the nation. it's all on tape. tapes that trump is now suing over, as he asked the nation for another opportunity to lead it. how does this report and these tapes inform the decisions ahead? well, that is my first question for bob woodward, our guest for this special when we're back in 60 seconds. sleep more deeply. and wake up rejuvenated. purple mattresses exclusive gel flex grid draws away heat. relives pressure and instantly adapts. sleep better live purple. right now save up to $900 dollars off mattress sets during purple's black friday sale. visit purple.com or a store near you today. why give your family just ordinary eggs when they can enjoy the best? eggland's best. the only eggs with more fresh and delicious taste. plus, superior nutrition. which is now more important than ever. ♪♪ welcome back to our special on these trump tapes which draw on bob woodward's reporting and interviews. he is our special guest now. thanks for being here, thanks for doing this. >> thank you. >> we've spoken about this. now we're sharing it with viewers. what do you think this all shows? >> it shows a negligence to a national security problem for the country, a national health problem. and it turns out in the reporting, and this is on tape, that trump national security adviser robert o'brien and his deputy, matt pottinger, went to trump in early january -- that's the last of -- that's the year that trump is running for re-election -- and o'brien tells trump, the coming virus will be the biggest threat, be the biggest national security threat to your presidency. now, i've covered 16 national security advisers going back to henry kissinger and never heard that stark, dramatic warning that o'brien gave. his deputy, matt pottinger, an expert on china, had been there seven years as a "wall street journal" reporter, told the president, "i have contacts in the medical underground that tell me in china that this is going to come in a way that there will be 650,000 deaths." a wakeup call. trump listened and then spent months and months saying, oh, no, it's going to go away. so six months later, this is the moment you capture here where he says, oh, we've got it under control. and you can hear this in his own voice. and i say to him, under control? 140,000 people have died in this country since the virus, since it came. that's six months of no action. >> was it clear from your access to him and those conversations at the time that he had absorbed some of these warnings? that he did know it was going to be that bad? >> well, it took me months to learn about the warnings from his national security advisers. when i learned about it, i was dumbfounded. and we were in the middle of the crisis. and he still was not acting. this idea of, we have it under control, it was never under control. it intentionally was never under control. and the problem with trump is, i think he looks at democracy as enemy territory, to be quite frank. because that's the people. and he always wants it to be about him. and you listen to eight hours, and it's all about, oh, no, no, no, everything is fine, i know what i'm doing. and when you lay it all out, he did not know what he was doing, and he didn't care. >> and bob, that goes to one of the points we've, mored. comparing your tapes to what was done at the time, there were people who were tact wall at the time even though there was more to learn. what does it tell you that for him, he viewed this often as a propaganda or pr challenge? get people to either blame someone else or not think it's that bad, rather than what you've described here which was a test of leading the nation with the work, not the spin? >> we can hear it in his own words. when we go over that time, when 140,000 people are killed, "it's under control." i said, "what's the plan?" and he said, "oh, well, in 106 days you'll learn the plan." that's election day. he's focused on the election. and what's the plan now? he said, "well, if i put it out, people would not remember it." you don't need to remember a plan, you need to act on it. >> execute it. so then we have -- i want to play this for you, we've got so much tape. a really unusual exchange. and it's your attempt to, yes, question him, but also he is, i think everyone understands, difficult to deal with in many ways. so you're almost pushing your way in to say, well, no, here's the thing and talking through with him. >> you need to mobilize. >> yes. i'm going to play this, then we have -- because it's tapes. everyone's on tape. a cameo by your wife. >> yes. >> pretty interesting. i'll let the tape do the talking. let's discuss on the other side. >> give me that list of those things. i'm going to talk to my -- >> what i'll do is send them to jared or -- >> read them out, go ahead. >> okay, the first is testing. it's got to be a manhattan project. number two, the medical supply chain has to be made as perfect as it can be. expertsay you may have to federalize that. number five, shelter in place. that there needs to be a national order. i know you don't want to wear a mask. the experts are saying -- i hear the briefings, sir. >> go ahead. >> six, the food supply -- >> you were really shouting at him. >> i was. to get in a word edgewise. >> the shouting though was really loud. >> it's okay, it's okay. >> you want to get more information from him, not -- >> i know. like this. i agree. >> not tell him what he needs to do. you kind of sounded like you were telling him what to do. >> yeah, well -- >> you don't want to do that. >> okay. but we're in a different world now, sweetie. >> i think that's got to be fascinating to some people. tell us about that. >> well, she's right. i was shouting at him. because i had information from the doctors on this saying he needed to mobilize, he needed to define things like, what is a national obligation? let's coordinate internationally. i had a list of 12 things. and he listens to them, and then after, he tweets the next day, oh, there's light at the tunnel -- you know, we're seeing light at the end of the tunnel. >> you're known for covering presidents. had you ever addressed any president like that? >> no. i have not. >> so the question to you is, is your wife partly right? >> oh, she's completely right. >> go ahead. >> and i said, it's a different time. >> yeah. >> when i have information that i had from people who are doctors, people who are not partisan, people who want to address this national crisis, i am going to -- and i have access to the president of the united states, and i'm going to say, this is what i'm learning. what are you doing? and the answer is, and this is the tragedy, this is the sickness for the country, that he says, oh, there's light at the end of the tunnel. it's going to go away. and anyone who knows anything about this knows it's not going away. and matt pottinger's estimate of 650,000 people dying? now it's twice that. 1.1 million dying. and so we have this moment where the president can see the numbers. and he's in a kind of political and personal denial. i said, what's the job of the president? and he said, to protect the people. i've never seen such a failure to protect the people. >> yeah. that's such an important bookend. that failure and we're in a different world. and we're going towards, again, another election where people have to be informed. not just about the controversies. not just about their opinions of him and his other objectionable qualities according to many. as you say, the main test he faces. bob stays with us. we're going to be joined by another expert who faces the firsthand human toll of this story. our special continues right our special continues right after this. oh. 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>> i think it's remarkable that we have a parallel universe that donald trump was living in why are you described where he got his information from, who he did not listen to. he had this covid task force that he asked vice president pence to put together. but it was basically for theater. as we know, all of the recommendations -- fauci, berks, anybody that was part of that team, including pence himself, he didn't take that advice, nor did he even heed the advice of doctors or people that he talked to describing how bad the virus was. and i think what's hard for those of us who were working clinically and policy-wise as well, in parallel, there were those mask shortages. confusion about whether this was airborne. what kind of direction we could give a public, including ourselves, that were fearful for our lives. because once that first what we thought was the first death in february of 2020 in washington state happened and a lot of the news from china and from italy and spain and other european countries filtered forward, we knew this was not a virus that we could just dismiss and that anything coming out of the president's mouth, including -- it raised suspicion even from the trusted advisers the president had around him. whether it was jerome adams, surgeon general, tony fauci, the medical adviser, where you couldn't trust the source even though those were the very people we should have trusted. >> this propaganda approach was also spreading out. bob, when you look at this urging that sometimes you did, july 2020, he's focused on the campaign and gets defensive when you talk about responsibility, let's play that. >> you have to be fair, i think. i don't think you have to be tough. >> yeah, that includes being fair, but -- >> nobody's done what i've done, bob in 3 1/2 years. >> okay, i understand -- >> the virus came along, that's not my fault -- >> the virus -- >> that's china's fault. >> lindsey graham is right, you are running against the virus. not joe biden. >> well, i'm running against both. >> this picks up where we left off with you, bob, which was, yes, you asked questions. sometimes, especially with something like this, you make statements, assertions, trying to get something back out of him. what are you doing there, what were you hoping to get out of him? >> i'm trying to understand what's going on. here, the great lesson of government is not only do you have to listen to people, but you have to take them seriously. you have to understand their advice. here you have matt pottinger going to the president and saying really, this virus is coming, it's going to be a wildfire. it's a three-alarm fire. 50 years, what goes on in the oval office, what the president hears from advisers, very rare for somebody to say, you've got a three-alarm fire coming. and this is not just somebody who walked in off the street. this is somebody who knows. >> let me bring dr. patel in on this very point. we talk about learning from all of this, right? could we handle another such emergency? are we improved or not? many people see the problem, then you compare that to what bob is referring to, the idea that a world war or a 9/11 sharpened something because of the role of enemies and evil. it summoned something in us that is not proportionate to the thread or the body count. covid was quite literally this kind of threat where you have president getting a warning that bob mentions. i want to listen to how bob on the tapes raises that with the internal warnings, with these national security advisers, take a look. >> i think the exact phrase i used was, this will be the biggest national security threat you face in your presidency. >> then you guys made your presentation to trump. did he say anything? >> well, he listened to it carefully. >> was there a moment in all of this last two months where you said to yourself, ah, this is the leadership test of a lifetime? >> no. >> first to bob. >> well, it was. and he has this responsibility. he ran for president. is elected. and the level of negligence here. you have to listen to eight hours of this, and it's denial, it's pushback, "it's not my responsibility, i'm trying to play it down." the job of the president when you have a crisis is not to play it down. to share the information with the public. i mean, just think, hypothetically, after he gets this warning from his national security adviser, an alarm bell like i've never heard rung in the oval office to the president of the united states. so suppose when he gave the state of the union address about ten days later, instead of saying, oh, we're working with china and everything is fine, saying, i got a warning the likes of which i and you have never heard, here's what it is, here's what we're going to do, we're going to mobilize, we're going to understand, we're going to -- he would have been re-elected in 2020 in a blink. >> to bob's point, that's not partisan. >> no. >> you could imagine a bush sr. or president nixon, i don't know, bob, if you knew president nixon. >> i heard. >> there are other presidents when it comes to that part of the job could have done that working off the facts. this president failed to do that. that is pretty established. my question to you going forward is, is there any way that we can summon the reaction we get to a foreign threat or to a 9/11 to something like this? you just imagine if this were bio war, people might have actually done more than what we lived through, where it was almost like, i guess it's a hurricane, we'll wait around and deal? >> some of us did think it was on that level. i think if you were -- you didn't have to work inside of hospitals or watch the morgue trucks backing up. now we have over 100 million americans that have had covid or have had some cases of covid, they suspected. everybody knows someone who's died from covid. or more people, now 100-plus deaths from it of patients i know. we all felt like we were living that war. i think that -- is our country ready for it again? i will say the biden administration came in, put back into place our relationship with the world health organization, put back into place much what was we needed for national infrastructure. a lot of that call that bob kind of kept pressing the president on, why don't we have a manhattan project? they did that in the trump administration with vaccines, but you -- >> they did. this is important to give trump credit. >> right. >> but then when biden came in, jeff zients was the covid person in the white house then. now biden's chief of staff. bob costa in i in our book "peril" outline in detail how zients and natalie quillian turned it around. >> right. >> and delivered vaccines to people in an aggressive way. >> that's right. >> organized. it's an amazing -- we lay it out in "peril." but you know, it was a success. so -- >> yeah, and i'm running out of time, but dr. patel, do you agree we're in a different world now? >> we're in a very different world. we're in a very different world, and i think there's a lot of reasons we're in a different world. number one, we have threats that we haven't even understood. it's not just bioterrorism. we modeled that in the obama administration, but we couldn't have even thought of some of the forms of bioterrorism taking down kind of our standard labs, having threats with infiltration of computers that can take down any sort of national surveillance system. and we have no -- we haven't learned even with the biden administration, we've taken away the public health funding to create that very infrastructure to stand up the manhattan project if we need it. then the humanity that's missing. i think a lot of us that kind of have survived and watched these deaths, what i would have loved to have seen from the president was that moment of humanity that we saw when joe biden finally let the candlelight vigil for the lives that we lost. >> part of what we lived through, you can't run from it without facing it. dr. patel, thanks for joining us. bob, i have one more set of questions for you. i recommend sensodyne. sensodyne toothpaste goes inside the tooth and calms the nerve down. and my patients say you know doc, it really works. sleep more deeply. and wake up rejuvenated. with purple's new mattresses - fall asleep 20% faster. have less aches and pains and sleep uninterrupted. right now save up to $900 dollars off mattress sets during purple's black friday sale. visit purple.com or a store near you today. it would only be right to also touch on the world we're in right now, a president under investigation, a president awaiting trials. and when you look at their dealings here on more than one topic, there are parallels in the way donald trump, even against evidence, tries to argue why he is a certain way or whether he was too busy to deal with what's on his plate. >> have you ever sat down alone with him and gotten a tutorial -- >> yes, i guess, but honestly there's not a lot of time for that, bob. this is a busy white house. >> why not just hand them over then? >> because i had boxes, i want to go through the boxes and get all my personal things out. i don't want to hand this over, and i was very busy. as you've sort of seen. >> bob woodward still with us. when you hear him say he was too busy to deal with the boxes, what do you hear in that answer? >> that he's not busy. quite honestly. >> yeah. >> that it's a way of, oh, i'm busy. i would talk to him, you can hear this on the tapes. he'd say, i can't talk for long, i've got the joint chiefs downstairs. and then he'd talk for 25 minutes. >> he would tell you the joint chiefs, armed services are there, and oh, i'm just talking to you? >> it's on the tape. so the question looms here, you know. who is he? what kind of person? what does he care about? >> people know your watergate reporting. you also reported about the decision to pardon former president nixon. something you and i have discussed. the reason, though, that nixon took the pardon was that he understood the fact that he could be prosecuted, that he could be convicted that he could go to prison. the way him and kissinger were praying, there was the fear that he mused about, that he would spend his last days in a cell. now we have this prospect of the former president trump on trial. do you think that, "a," he should have those concerns? "b," do you think he, in fact, does? >> well, i think his lawyers know and the public is increasingly gaining the knowledge about what he did with those boxes, what he did on january 6th. and i think the independent counsel is going to expand his investigation. he's going to make it more serious. and so we're going to have a debate about the law and the responsibility. this is what presidential elections are about. who is this person? >> we appreciate your contributions to the first draft of some of that history and the special, "the trump tapes." bob woodward, thank you for doing this, appreciate it, on this special edition of "the beat." we will be right back. arexvy is a vaccine used to prevent lower respiratory disease from rsv in people 60 years and older. arexvy does not protect everyone and is not for those with severe allergic reactions to its ingredients. those with weakened immune systems may have a lower response to the vaccine. the most common side effects are injection 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republicans would nominate and pick a new speaker. his name is mike johnson, and there were many other candidates, he got his job partly because donald trump packed him and turned on some of the other candidates. now johnson is trying to curry favor with the candidate and former president, releasing january 6th security footage just out in the open to the public. the claim is this is because, quote, truth and transparency are critical and americans should see for themselves what happened that day. but, of course, people did see what happened that day, indeed, there wasn't a lot of confusion about the violent insurrection that played out creating a literal siege on the building. we also had trials with independent fact finding and juries that found it to be a sedition. this is actually the context is something very different than transparency, which journalists tend to welcome in government. this is actually trying to create some level of foots footc or interaction with conspiracy theorists who are denying the reality welived through and it underscores how johnson has to continue to be a part of what we now know as this long running effort to both steal the election, which they failed to do, and/or lead tens of millions of people, before, during, and after, to wrongly think the election was not valid. details of his role in trying to overturn the election through his power in congress have gotten more attention. so this is even before january 6th, johnson was in touch with trump more so than even some of the, quote, more recognizable colleagues, as politico put it, also promoting false claims of election fraud. >> i think all of us know intuitively that there was a lot amiss about this election. the allegations about these voting machines, some of them being rigged with stware from dominion, but there's a lot of merit to that, and when the president says the election is rigged, that's what he's talking about, the fix was in. >> there is not a lot of merit to that, indeed, he was saying that in november of 2020. by now, you may have heard that an independent court was dealing with the defamation based on specifically what mr. johnson just did there, although he may not have said that repeatedly on fox news where that case was going down to the largest settlement of any defamation case in modern american history because it was a lie to say that about dominion and/or the rest of the election. in december of 2020, johnson was emailing every member of his republican caucus, urging them to sign on to this texas lawsuit they were doing that wanted to invalidate votes in states biden won. over 100 republicans signed on, and the supreme court never took that case. i want to be clear, we talked about the different methods here. trying to file a lawsuit, even a frevilous one, is not a crime. so this was the technically legal part of a multi-pronged strategy that we now know thanks to georgia and other places now involves convicted crimes. johnson wanted republicans to also abuse or use their power in congress to overturn and not certify biden's lawful win. >> we must vote to sustain objections to states of electors submitted by states that we genuinely believe clearly violated the constitution and the presidential election of 2020. >> that was how johnson sounded on that very day, january 6th, the day that now lived in infamy finally, if that wasn't enough, it's quite a long ways from 2015 when johnson said donald trump was dangerous, this was before he became president, and trump lacked the character and moral center needed to be president. always interesting when people who are talking about the moral center and whether it holds can even hold on to their center be johnson went a long way from that criticism in 2015 to what you just saw, taking the floor on the 6th to help donald trump either lie to the public or worse, actually steal an election. we'll be right back. you want to be able to provide your child with the tools or 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