age from just 2 to 85 years old as well as ten thai nationals and one filipino citizen. in just the last few minutes freed hostages arrived at the israeli children's hospital for care. and in a moment we'll talk to the cousin of duarn cat asher who was just released today alongside her two children. you're looking at live pictures right now, 11 p.m. in israel. we were watching the last camera in the last hour. what we were told at this children's hospital location is that some children were just dropped off at this location. we are now getting this further video of yet more -- this is the first time we can say this today, former hostages that are now getting the proper care they need both mental as well as physical health assistance. again, they're in petah tyka, israel. we don't know the exact names or ages of those arriving but this first day now ending at 11 p.m. as these former hostages are arriving at various locations to get the care they need. but as all sides have tried to navigate what has happened today and this diplomatic high wire act that brought us to the four-day truce, president biden took to the microphone just a short time ago saying when it comes to promises by hamas, he's quite skeptical. >> i don't trust hamas to do anything right. i only trust hamas to respond to pressure. >> so with this critical first day about to come to a close, where do things go from now? we'll talk to one former middle east negotiator. that's coming up. but first i want to begin with this new video that i was just mentioning can coming out of israel. again, it's capturing the live hope that so many families have held very closely inside israel as crowds of people gathering to cheer on the streets near a military base as a convoy carrying hostages passes by this a little bit earlier that we saw. those who are celebrating near hatsarim, israel. there's a base now where some of the former hostages did arrive today, a total of 24 as has been said. nbc's erin mclaughlin is on the ground in tel aviv. this long first day we're seeing with this video and we're showing from the air base there still continues. these are long 24-hour plus days for a lot of people. >> reporter: that's right, richard. and tonight there was an emotional gathering here in tel aviv at the square where the families of the hostages and supporters have gathered every single weekend since the october 7th attack. tonight there was dancing and tears. dancing out of relief, the relief that some 13 hostages were released today. and then the tears for everything that has been lost since october 7th. now, the israeli prime minister has released a statement. i'm going to read it to you what he had to say tonight. this is largely being seen this exchange that took place earlier today as a success. he says we have now completed the return of the first of our abductees children, their mothers, and other women. each and every one of them is a whole world. but i emphasize to you the families and to you the citizens of israel, we are committed to the return of all of our abductees. this is one of the goals of the war, and we are committed to achieving all the goals of the war. you know, there a reminder that the primary goal following october 7th when israel declared war on hamas was that the destruction of hamas is a key goal of this war. and while this is a pause and there is a relief here in israel tonight and there's a relief in gaza, this war will continue. when it will continue is an open question at this point, richard. >> as we're watching the video here, i want to let our viewers know we're watching yet more cordons being put up to bridge the vehicles that the former hostages are being moved with after that. and this is a children's hospital, and we will note there were three children at least according to the idf that was released today by hamas. three chirp. so this is the second we've seen at least video wise of a helicopter landing, whether they're delivering each of the children one by one we don't know. but this is the second piece of video from our live feed where we've seen them put up these cordons, which you see here in white on the left-hand side of this run. there was one that had the israeli flag earlier on. but this cordon, if you will, for privacy. and in the wide shot when they did pull back you can see the number of people that are on the other side of the cordon, the lights we say which may be not as glaring to us as well as a number of people which would not be as glaring to us would be quite something else for these former hostages that are children that are now getting the help they need just arriving here in petah tiyka in israel. as we get back to israel and the hostages there were also those released just by israel. what do we know where they're at and how things went today on that side. >> reporter: yeah, as i said, richard, this was considered to be a successful exchange. not only were 13 israeli hostages released today but also 39 palestinian prisoners as promised including 15 males and 24 females earlier today. they were brought from two separate israeli prisons to the southeast of hifa and driven and once they crossed over to egypt, that is when they began the process of releasing palestinians into the west bank. they're allowed to go home now to the occupied west bank, east jerusalem as well as gaza, although the israeli palestinians are saying that any celebrations by palestinians at the release of these prisoners many of them accused of terrorism offenses -- any celebration is not allowed. >> erin mclaughlin, thank you so much. live reporting for us in tel aviv who's been watching this entire day as developments have progressed. and again, we're watching the live pictures coming out of petah tiyka. there in that van it appears the camera is following that which is one of the former hostages as they move some of the cordons off to the side. i want to bring in as we watch this roberts whose cousin and her two little girls were released today by hamas after 49 days in captivity. have you been able to watch this video of what we've been showing on-air? >> yes. i've been following these all day long and it's been an exciting day for us here in israel to my family and all the people who were helping so much throughout this entire ordeal to get these hostages back home to their loved ones, and here we are. an exciting day for all of us. with that being said, we still know a lot of them are still out there waiting for their day to be return asked rejoice with their families. >> i can't help as you were watching this live video with us, chen, that that could be my cousin's two little girls right there. possibly. we don't know because of the cordons and the way they were respecting all of these former hostages and their health, their mental health and that which they may be going through. have you spoken with your cousin? has she given you any update in term of what she's learning? >> no. we're waiting for the medical team to finish their examinations. all we know they're in the hospital right now in good care. and the medical team probably going through a lot of questions and assessments. we've talked to family members waiting at the hospital who was since day one out in front every single day hour by hour head spearing this campaign to bring them back home. and i'm sure they are as happy as could be. at the same time they need their privacy. so at the same time we bring them the space and time to reunite and spend time with each other. it's been like i said a very emotional day for all of us, so we cannot wait to be back again. i will probably reach out to them next week and in touch with their families like i said before and it's been a wonderful day so far. >> chen, you probably just want to squeeze the life out of them, right? you can't wait to see them, but of course as you're noting there are certain protocols for this situation. has your family talked about that because i know all of your family, all of the cousins, all of the siblings and, you know, the generations of our family want to embrace them, the return of the two little girls, your cousin. has anybody talked about how to properly handle this so that things are done in a -- in a thoughtful way? >> i think that the israel government and in general the whole administration in israel did a wonderful job setting up an actual plan. i think what we saw a few weeks ago when the other ladies were released and all of a sudden found themselves in front of the media without any tools or -- it was awkward. it doesn't look good. i'm sure their mental health was not in place yet. so i'm very grateful that there is a learning process of the whole thing and how an understanding this must be for the hostages who just came back and going through a big process of understanding their journey and now they're back to and i'm very appreciative of the administration doing such a wonderful job hugging them and giving them the support they need right now. >> can you remind us about your cousin and her two children, how this happened for them and what that day was because your family is aware of. now we get to use the title former hostage, which is great to say they're survivo and they are out. what was that situation like for them at you remember? >> so as we remember oner 7th, 6:00 in the morning they were woken by the sirensnd ordered to shelter in place. they were taken by militants by the hamas onboard vehicles and kidnapped from their safe room. there was my aunt, my cousin, and her two daughters alongside with my aunt's partner who's still a hostage. his ex-wife was released today back to israel, that's wonderful news for this family because we all feel like one big family these days. and the last signs of life we saw was a video from the hamas account showing them on that vehicle and thins sen it was all and we can say we're happy to have them in our safe arms of israel and their family. they've been through a lot. alongside my aunt was murdered at the gaza border, and she had to go through that process as well herself. so like we said there's a lot going on in their life right now, and i think they're in good hands right now. >> how did you two grow up, you and duran? how did you know each other? >> i was born and raised in israel so we had a lot of memories from the kibbutz li holidays and families and a lot of nature trips, a lot of walking around the fields. she's a sweet kid, such a loving mother. she's a great mother andwife, and she's just a wonderful little person that we always love to have around. she loves cooking. she loves spending free time traveling in the outdoors. she's a wonderful person we're happy she's back with our family now. she can start that slow recovery to being back to what she was. >> what's the thing you want to say to her and her children? do you have a nickname for her? >> we have a nickname, but that's something that we -- goes along with her personality, and we're very happy we're able to tell them they're fr, they're home, and they're going to be back and united with our family soon, absolutely. i'm sorry about all this commotion in the back. >> chen dori-roberts, chen, thanks for stopping by and sharing the story. and i'm so glad you and dodo get to hang out again and have that conversation real soon. really appreciate it. >> thank you have having me today. happy thanksgiving. >> you, too. thank you. still ahead for you we're going to get a look at the behind the scenes diplomacy of the first wave of hostage releases. you're watching nbc. rst wave of hostage releases you're watching nbc. ♪ control of my crohn's means everything to me. ♪ ♪ control is everything to me. ♪ feel significant symptom relief at 4 weeks with skyrizi, including less abdominal pain and fewer bowel movements. skyrizi is the first il-23 inhibitor that can deliver remission and visibly improve damage of the intestinal lining. and the majority of people experienced long-lasting remission at one year. serious allergic reactions and an increased risk of infections or a lower ability to fight them may occur. tell your doctor if you have an infection or symptoms, had a vaccine or plan to. liver problems may occur in crohn's disease. ♪ now's the time to ask your gastroenterologist how you can take control of your crohn's with skyrizi. ♪ ♪ control is everything to me. ♪ ♪ learn how abbvie could help you save. the power goes out and we still have wifi ♪ to do our homework. and that's a good thing? 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(♪ music ♪) the walking tree is said to change. its entire location in pursuit of sunlight (♪ ♪) where could reinvention take your business? accenture. let there be change. and quellwoman back. it's been a day of high-tension and high stakes as hamas released 24 hostages on day one of the israel-gaza truce completing the first of four exchanges in this deal between hamas and israel. among the 24 hostages that were released by hamas, 13 israelis, ten thais, and one filipino citizen. there were notably no u.s. hostages released as of today. i want to bring in our terrorist analyst and retired colonel jack jacobs, an msnbc military analyst. as we looked at the deal, you worked as a terrorism finance analyst at the u.s. department of the treasury and you played an integral role in the designation of numerous terrorist financiers. when you look at this deal and what's been part of it, i'm unaware of any major finance requirements at least in this deal we have details on at the moment. if you're aware of them, can you please tell us about them? if you're not, should there have been some? >> i think thankfully we've seen -- it's a hostage diplomacy situation here where anyone is paying ransom. i think that's important. it's the last thing israel would want to do, the last thing the united states would want to do. hamas is already getting quite a bit out of this deal, not just the release of some of the prisoners who themselves are guilty of violent crimes but we're seeing a significant amount of fuel and other goods being transferred into the gaza strip. of course that will go to benefit the gaza population, but we know that hamas is going to divert a significant amount of that fuel to essentially help hamas operate militarily, so the fuel is going to help pump fuel and oxygen into those command tunnels that will be used in the next phase of this war in the central gaza strip and southern gaza strip. i think israel has essentially paid off hamas through this but not with cash, at least not that we're aware of. >> colonel, i want to move to something we heard a bit earlier. netanyahu's ambassador spoke with our friend and colleague earlier in our coverage. i want to get your reaction on the other side of this. take a listen. >> now the ball is in hamas' court. this humanitarian pause can stop four days from now, and we'll be back to square one and back at full-scale war, or we can ectend the huitarian pause by the release of more hostages. i hope they release more hostages. >> as we look at this, colonel, whose court is it in right now because we've got two sides working together plus qatar and egypt. do you agree with what he says it's in hamas' court, it's up to them to make a move? >> they have to agree to release more hostages. how many they release is different story all together, and it's not entirely clear how many hostages are still alive and where that you are and who's holding them. it's very difficult to say how long this is going to play out. but one thing to keep in mind is that the longer this pause lasts, the more it benefits hamas. if you're on the defense as hamas has been, you want to keep the cease-fire as long as possible so that you can rearm, refuel, redistribute both ammunition and people, put your defensive positions in proper order for what will ultimately be a renewed attack. this pause works in great favor to hamas. the longer they can string it out, the better off they are, richard. >> colonel, who will be resupplying hamas? >> well, there's an argument that says that whatever comes in to the southern border with egypt, some of that as jonathan has said is going to find its way to hamas, and they'll take it themselves. they've done it before. there was at least one instance i can recall recently where a fuel truck that went in to support the gazans people actually ended up in the hands of hamas. we have to remember hamas is in control of gaza in any case. anything that went in there can be easily diverted for the use of hamas and you can expect that some of it if not most of it will wind up going into hamas' hands. >> jonathan, i was mentioning earlier about the roles of both qatar and egypt, which you're very much aware of. what's in it for qatar and egypt to be helping in this deal? >> both of them have very different motivations. the egyptians actually i think have been looking for relative calm, and they played an important role over the last several rounds between israel and hamas. i will say that the egyptians, unfortunately i think have not done a terrific job in terms of preventing some of these weapons from heading into the gaza strip. the rafa crossing has been a major source of weapons resupply for hamas. and that's something we're going to have to revisit in all of this. i think their intentions are good. they've been a good partner for the israelis and united states. the same cannot be said for the qataris. the qatarierize both arsonist and firefighter. they're trying to take a victory lap here on the world stage for having secureed the release for as many as 50 or perhaps even more of these hostages plus the thais, plus the filipino today. but we cannot forget the fact that the qataris have been sponsoring hamas. they've been giving them 100 to $150 million a year. they've running interference for hamas from the beginning. at some point we're going to have to see a revision of that contract we have here in the united states with the qataris. they have some leverage with us. they have the largest air base we use in the middle east. we provide them with a lot of security guarantees by keeping our military there. i think it's time for a serious discussion about what it is they're getting out of their sponsorship of hamas. and by the way, we should also add that this regime also supports the taliban, al-qaeda, isis. this really needs to stop, and i hope the u.s. government begins to address this. >> jonathan, i want to stay with you for a moment. the colonel is telling us in our last segment that when he and were talking that iran will be stepping up their moves going forward if they haven't already to a great degree for the next three or four days, and this is because of the multiple militias that may actually help to take down this deal. and they don't want this deal is what the colonel was saying last hour. what have you seen in terms of financial flows from iran to various militias, not the binary we're talking about of hamas versus idf. what have you seen? >> well, look, the iranians have been the top financiers, top suppliers of weapons, top suppliers training to all these groups that we see attacking both israel and the united states across the middle east. so the back of the envelope numbers that we see are $200 million a year to hamas, plus the weapons and rockets and training. $800 million a year to groups like hezbollah. that's actually i think the crown jewel as far as the nonstate actor terrorist groups that iran supports. huge amounts of weaponry. in fact, they've also been providing hezbollah with precision guided missiles or pgms. these are incredibly lethal and precise weapon. we've not seen them use yet the israelis are jamming gps in israel, but that could play a factor here in the resumption of the war. in addition the israelivise been providing support to the houthis in yemen. this was the group that was engaging in piracy on the red sea just a few days ago, and they've been firing long-range rockets at the israelis out of yemen. and then of course there are the shiite militias that have been attacking the united states. more than 60 times different bases have been targeted in both iraq and syria. they get an unspecified amount of money, but nevertheless we know that iran even when it's sanctioned, even when it's not sanctioned, doesn't matter. this is a regime that is the most prolific state sponsor of terrorism in the world, and right now they are cashing in on the investments that they've made with these various nonstate terrorist actors. >> live pictures on the left-hand side for our viewers. we've been following video coming live out of that hospital. earlier what we were told is that is where many of the children that were arriving that were formerly hostages. we expect shortly that we'll get some sort of briefing at the location there at the children's hospital. we'll be listening in to that. but we want to show you this continues there at 11:30 p.m. local time in israel. colonel, as we get back to this idea and this idea we're certainly not in a discussion of a binary or one versus another, tell us about the divisions of hamas and how those may work against this deal as well. >> well, there are factions within hamas, but they're also physically split up. they're not all in one location in gaza, nor are they only in gaza. and as we heard earlier, there are lots of other factions that are -- that are both state and nonstate supporters and certainly supported by iran. the result is that the enemy here -- and they're enemies of everyone, by the way -- are fragmented. and if they're fragmented, they're extremely difficult to defeat. it means a wide variety of pressures need to be brought on the international community from everybody who's concerned about this. and the mere statement that netanyahu made that he wants to destroy hamas while laudable in its goal is going to be extremely difficult to do. tried before, israel was in gaza before for a relatively long period of time and then left because it's difficult to administer. and it's impossible to contain. the kinds of things that jonathan was talking about, putting pressure on people who sound like they're allies and assist from time to time, who have leverage both over those actors in the middle east and on us, that needs to -- that needs to get started. the only way that there's going to be any solution to this problem is if the nation states in the region band together, become something of a coalition, and band together with the united states and the rest of the west to make sure that hamas does not -- there's no resurgence of hamas and that the palestinian people in gaza are properly administered. unless there can be an agreement among both western countries and particularly the arab nation states in the region to seriously take care of this problem and to participate in taking care of the gazan people and making sure hamas does not grow again. hamas will continue to be a problem, and iran will continue to use hamas as leverage against the united states and its friends. >> jonathan, as we reflect on what the colonel's saying here one of the ways to address this, stop the money flows as the colonel is intimating here. and this is certainly what you know best. it was said in the reporting over the last six or seven weeks hamas has been financed in many ways through crypto currency and other means. with russia it was the european union and the united states looking at the transaction networks, right, where all the banks talk to each other as a way to stop money flows to assist in the war with ukraine. what can be done now? >> it's a great question. and, you know, we talked about iran already in terms of being the primary sponsor. and we talked about the qataris as being probably the next one just behind iran. but there are other countries we can lean on as well. i would point to turkey as a significant sponsor of hamas. this is another place where we have a hamas headquarters, and they are plugged into the u.s.-led banking system. that's a huge problem that's needs to be solved. malaysia is another country that has been an hq for hamas over the years. we have some leverage there. we can hopefully unplug hamas from the banking system in malaysia. i look at algeria and kuwait as other countries that have been providing significant support to hamas. there are, of course, additional ways that hamas has been bringing in money -- trade' based money laundering and real estate portfolios, charities that operate potentially here in the united states as well as in europe. >> charities. >> charities. in fact, the germans yesterday went in and raided a number of different spots, 13 or 14 spots they believe hamas was active including at least from what i hear one or two of those were charity. there may be a few in the united states. we did a terrific job in the 2000s when i was working at the treasury of picking apart hamas' financial networks. we've lost the trail. we've lost the scent, and that's going to be a huge challenge, i think, for the u.s. to get back in the group and start to go after hamas' finances here in the united states. i doubt it has been cleaned up entirely. >> i have to ask you why have we lost the scent, and how long have we lost the scent? >> well, it's a good question. you know, i think we need to remember that the war on terror began to lose steam somewhere around 2009, 2010. we began to focus our efforts elsewhere. in fact, one of the things that i heard several years ago is that we were using hamas -- or people suspected of being involved with hamas here in the united states, they had become protected sources in the fight against isis, and so we saw that in the early 2010s. after that i think we began to shift our focus to places like russia for good reason. we began to focus on china for good reason. but as i actually said last week in front of a congressional panel, we need to learn how to walk and chew gum here. the united states, i mean we're a super power. we should be able to combat china. we should be able to deal with russia. and we should be able to engage in counter terrorism finance as it relates to hamas, isis, and really any other terrorist group around the world. we should be able to do all of those things at once. >> hamas in 9 and 10 right after the hamas-idf war in '06, '07. it's very quickly things can change and how fragile these deals are and time lines are. speaking of which one of the things that have moved day to day even from today and thursday is where they're going to be released. it shows how fragile the deal is. it did not come through, and that's why we had to wait one more day. once again watching live pictures on the left hand side there from israel which we're told from some video of helicopters landing that former hostages that are children will be released. to you, colonel, we just got this from the prime minister's office of israel saying that they have received the list of abductees who are to be released tomorrow. and the president earlier about two hours ago saying that they were unaware of that list being released and of course this being the crucial point tends to be the last step that we're aware of at least in news for the days release to happen and for things to work without any hiccups. and i'll keep on reading here, colonel. it says here security officials are checking the list on behalf of the person in charge of the abductees and the missing. they are asking that they be given -- they give the families of abductees, that the media act with required caution for various reasons we understand so well. colonel, it looks like tomorrow at this hour it's going to happen again because we have that list. now they'll go through the list at least on the israeli side to see who they are and then prepare for them. this shows that fragility of the day to day of the deal. >> yeah. and if you were a betting person, you would probably bet that there are few americans if any americans on that list. and the psychology of the whole thing is that hamas wants to keep the united states to continue pressure on israel as long as it possibly can. and the way to do that is to make sure that to the extent there are any americans to be released, they are not released. the fewer americans who are release, the more the united states is going to pressure israel to continue the cease-fire, to continue negotiations, which, of course as we mentioned earlier works to the tactical military advantage of hamas. so it'll be interesting to see how many if any americans are on that list and how long it will take for hamas to release all of the americans, richard. >> in the course of the four days, and we might remind people here, too, colonel, that this list is given both ways. so the idf will at least from what we understand in the deal put together a list of who they will release potentially for tomorrow as well. and why is that important? remind us, colonel, why these lists must go both ways and why both sides if they don't get it they're saying, well, hold on a second we're not going to go through with the deal then? >> well, the structure of the deal is fairly clear-cut. the mechanism is fairly clear-cut. and the logistics of the actual transfer, they've already been established, and they've been used already. and they're clear-cut, too. the only thing that's important that remains that's flexible is who is going to be released. and until it can be verified that those people exist, that they're alive and they're going to be released and from the other side that these are the people who hamas would hike to see released from prison, unless there's agreement on that bit, there is no agreement. so it remains to be seen whether or not whatever is going to happen is going to actually happen tomorrow, and that will be a function of the agreement of who was on the lists. >> okay, colonel jack jacobs, jonathan, thank you so much. we could have talked for a long period of time. so appreciate both of your pexer tease in understanding what's happening here on day one of this hamas-israel deal. up next after a short break, the latest from the white house and the role the biden administration played in the israel-hamas deal. you're watching msnbc. israel-hamas deal. you're watching msnbc. diets and exercise add to the struggle. today, it's possible to go from struggle to cholesterol success with leqvio. with a statin, leqvio is proven to lower bad cholesterol by 50% and keep it low with 2 doses a year. common side effects were injection site reaction, joint pain, and chest cold. ask your doctor about twice-yearly leqvio. lower. longer. leqvio® hmmm... can this be more, squiggly? 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>> hi, richard. so this event is going to be much different than what has happened in the past. you know, previously one of the last hostages held was the israeli soldier. he was held for five years but that was just one person hamas was holding, and it was not during a war. this is a whole different set of circumstances where hamas has over 200 hostages, they're trying to keep those hostages alive in the middle of a war while they're being actively fought and bombed by the israelis. so a much more challenging set of circumstances. you know, i think also you have to wonder was hamas prepared today have this many hostages, you know, particularly the elderly and the young. those types of folks need special care. you need medicine. you need diapers, baby food and those type of things. a lot of questions as to what kind of care hamas was able to provide to those hostages. and that's one of the things israelis going to be taking a look at. after they completed their medical checks, israeli intelligence officers are going to want to sit down and have a chat with the adults released to get some insight into what happened. >> what is the state of the military wing of hamas that has come to this deal that we were talking about today after day one? all the information that you were aware of, carl, up to this point, what is the state of mind of this military wing of hamas today versus maybe even seven weeks ago as you were talking about during the time. >> so hamas has always been willing to take hostages and use them as bargaining chips to achieve things that they want. and there are things that hamas wants here. they want the release of certain prisoners. they want to get some of those concessions from israel, and they know the israelis will pay a very, very high price to secure the release of hostages. the israelis released over 1,000 hostages to get back a single soldier in the other case. we know hamas is going to be using this negotiation, this bargaining process in order to achieve some of their objectives, to get the release of hostages. and it's also helpful to them to have this tactical pause. you know, they've been taking a lot of damage from the israelis, and so i think having this tactical pause is going to give them a chance to reconstitute and to collect themselves, you know, before the coming war. because, remember, this is just a tactical pause. this is not a cease-fire. this is not something going to go on for an extended amount of time. >> it's a much bigger political diplomatic effort if they were to get there. thank you so much. another quick break for you. we're back in a moment with our special coverage including the latest from president biden on the hostages. stick with us. ick with us. are you tired of clean clothes that just don't smell clean? 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