passed away. the life report in just a moment. and, new remarks from president biden. plus, former president donald trump's revenge tour. i'll speak with democratic congressman greg azar about the ex presidents radical plans for a second term. and, new details on a possible hostage deal between israel and hamas, what we're learning, and the palestinian death troll tragically continues to climb in gaza. tonight, we begin with the breaking news that former first lady rosalynn carter has died at the age of 96. carter passed away peacefully with her family by her side, at her home in plains, georgia. she had entered hospice care in her home on friday. she is survived, of course by her husband, the former president jimmy carter, whom she was married for 77 years. rosalynn carter devoted herself to several social causes, in the course of her public life including programs that supported mental health care, human rights, social justice, and the needs of elderly people. and, she was considered to be the most political first lady since eleanor roosevelt. i am joined now by nbc news white house correspondent erin -- . erin, what does the white house, what does president biden's reaction mean to the 41st ladies passing? >> betty, so many glowing tributes to the former first lady in the last several hours. we have now heard from each of the former first families about the life and legacy, the work that rosalynn carter did in her time in the white house. and, so much of the work that she did with her husband after their time in the white house. i do want to share with you the statemt got from president biden, and the first lady, dr. jill biden. they both spoke abo rosalynn carter earlier today, and then leased a really beautiful statement, attributed to her. and you can see pt it here, saying that time and time again during the more than four decades of our friendship, through the rigors of campaigns, through the darkness of deep anprofound loss, we always felt the hope, warmth, and optimism of rosalynn carter. she will alwayben our hearts. and on behalf of a grateful naon, we send our love to president carter, the entire carter family, and the countless people across our nation and the world, whose lives are better, fuller, and brighter because of the life and legacy of rosalynn carter. he said, may god bless our dear friend. and i should say, the president and the first lady, dr. biden. this was really a statement that summed up, nicely so much of rosalynn carter's life. you have to sort of bear in mind that i think, they only served one term in office, i should say. and, so much, the majority of their public work was done in the 40 plus years after they left office. and so, for generations of people, that is the rosalynn carter and jimmy carter that they know as humanitarians who traveled the world, working on human rights issues. and then, the people that we saw in later years, in their 80s and 90s, as volunteers out in the world, building houses, and trying to do good for people who need help. but also, the loving relationship that we all got to witness, again in their later years, as a husband and wife who were devoted to each other, devoted to their faith, and set such an example for so many people. i think that is much the legacy that we will remember rosalynn carter for, as much as anything that she did during their time in the white house, mehdi. >> well said. nbc -- 's thank you for your reporting. joining me now michael -- nbc news president and historian, and jonathan -- msnbc contributor and author of his very best, jimmy carter, a life. thank you both for joining me this evening. it is sad that is out under these circumstances. michael, you tweeted earlier this evening, quote, rosalynn and jimmy carter are examples of staying grounded, and remembering where you came from. after his defeat, when she poured coffee in planes for a visitor in 1981, and the guest said a first lady shouldn't be serving him, jimmy said, she's just a southern woman now. michael, talk to us about how rosalynn carter will be remembered? >> well, she will be remembered as he will, for staying standard and grounded, and returning as an ex president and ex first lady to the house that built them, a modest house as john alter writes in his excellent book 1961, that they built. and, that's where they live, that's where they had -- entered their final days. and -- where mrs. carter closed out her life today. she will be remembered i think as a partner in this presidency. this was a co presidency, a word that she would have hated. but i can remember seeing her from the white house, probably a little over more than 20 years ago, and i made a comment you know, you brought so much to your husband's presidency. and she said no, it was all jimmy, don't give any credit to me. but this is about as close to a presidential first lady partnership in running that white house as i think we have seen in american history. >> for jonathan, you know the carters very well, you wrote that excellent book, as michael mentioned. during their presidency, even when the president's approval rating, jimmy carter's ratings were in the tank, she was being ranked as one of the most popular women in the world. outside of mother teresa. what did people of about, her and what did she love a being first lady? >> well, i think she was a tremendous combination of strength and grace. so she was a very tough political operative, even her husband said she had better political intent than he did. she was extremely well respected by the white house staff staff, which is sometimes unusual in administrations where the presidents people kind of want the first lady to get out of the way. and, she d.e.e., as an envoy to, she's the first first lady to serve as a diplomat. she won very high marks around the world, except for some of the dictators who she stared down on human rights. and so, this was an enormously accomplished first lady. i think people tend to think of the carters as people who succeeded after the presidency. but actually, they got a lot done when he was president. i just want to give you three quick examples of why rosalynn carter is arguably the most influential first lady in history, on policy. so, she spearheaded the passage of the first major mental health bill in this country in 1980, which ronald reagan repealed a lot of it, and it didn't come back into obamacare. the single greatest champion of human rights in this country's history. she and the wife of senator dale -- went around the country and they convinced 33 states to require vaccinations of children before they can go to school. which was enormously powerful on measles mumps rubella, and just improving the health of the american people. and, i think a third major accomplishment was that she convinced her husband to a 0.5 times as many women to the federal bench as all of its predecessors combined. and that was very much something that rosalynn carter was a -- ensure that happened. >> so michael, let's pick up where jonathan is laying out their, in terms of her influence. time magazine i believe once called or the second most powerful person in america. she used to attend cabinet meetings, right. that is her impact, politically. and we talk about this first lady job in terms of you know, sometimes with recent first ladies it's but with a little bit, but she brought real, as jonathan -- impact on that role. >> she had talents that he did not have, just as john, he's absolutely right in saying. if i had to rely on jimmy carter's ability to see into someone's motives, or rosalynn carter's, i would take rosalynn. and he understood that, he knew that she in many ways was schroeder about people, especially people who did not have his best interest at heart then, he was. this was a partnership where they brought this very much to each other. in also, she always told him the absolute truth, whether it was, whether he would enjoy it or not. and he made a bad speech, she would tell him. she would take on for instance, john you and many were talking about her work for mental health and mental illness. that was something that no first lady or president had taken on before, because their hammers would always say, don't do it because people would wonder if there was someone, and this is the word that used, whether there is crazy, some crazy person in your family. that's how -- things were. and she would go to cabinet meetings, and in 2023, that would be considered a contribution by a first lady. if dr. joe biden, for instance, went to a cabinet meeting in 1977, people said what is she doing, is she running the white house. she was not elected. >> we are to seeing some lovely lovely images on screen, as you are speaking, some great memories. jonathan, neither rosalynn carter nor her husband fully took a step back after he left office. you just mentioned a moment ago some of the pretty impactful thing she did as first lady. talk briefly to us about her work in the post presidential period, with the carter center, with habitat humanity, and beyond. >> so she accompanied her husband everywhere he went, more than 100 countries. and they were trying to, what they called, wage peace. so some of this was diplomatic, and you've got quite a bit accomplished on that. we know about the global health complements, where they basically eradicated -- worm disease, which had afflicted 3 million people, and now about 30 cases in the whole world. and they monitored more than 100 elections. you know, trying to promote democracy. and then on her own, and she did things separate from the carter center and president carter, she started a fellowship for journalists who are interested in reporting on mental health issues. and, the rosalynn carter center for caregiving. you know, that word caregiving we now kind of take it for granted. in the 1970s, it didn't really exist, there were people who were providing care for sick relatives or others that they knew, uncompensated care, but it wasn't an occupation. now, it is. a lot of that is thanks to rosalynn carter, who has been very focused on caregiving. and mattie, actually that just scratches the surface of the contributions of this team. >> it certainly is a unique and deep legacy from the former first lady. michael -- jonathan -- thank you for being with me tonight to, discuss that legacy. coming up, nbc news polling on a hypothetical trump biden rematch, it is not looking good for democracy. i'll be joined by democratic congressman craig -- don't go away. >>t go away. >>just very important. she's my sister and, we depend on each other a lot. she's the rock of the family. she's the person who holds everything together. ♪♪ it's a battle, you know i'm going to be there. keytruda and chemotherapy meant treating my cancer with two different types of medicine. in a clinical trial, keytruda and chemotherapy was proven to help people live longer than chemotherapy alone. 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from their jobs proclaiming that quote, if you want -- you should be born in this country. now with these kinds of far-right figures waiting in the wings, ready to serve in a possible second trump administration, it's really no surprise that the economist magazine this week dubbed donald trump quote, the biggest danger to the world in 2024. so, look, yes, you can be upset about the economy, frustrated over joe biden's age, and you can disapprove of the way the administration has handled the situation in gaza, those are all legitimate concerns, objections, criticisms. but we cannot overlook what's taking shape right before our very eyes, the second trump term filled with an extremist, far-right army of ultra loyalists and sycophants with little regard to the constitution, which will be beyond anything we've ever seen in modern america. and on that note, joining me now, is democratic congressman, greg khazar, of texas. congressman, i'm sure you're disillusioned, demoralized, leftist, people who voted for biden 2020 and are saying, i'm not voting -- we survived one trump term, will survive another, i hear people say that. how bad do you think a second trump term will be, and why will so many americans not see the threat? >> well, we can't have this election be the last fair and free presidential election in the country. we absolutely need to flip the house so we have a speaker of the house that will preserve the vote and make sure we count down the presidential election. we can't have donald trump continuing to threaten, what denies and utilize the federal government to take down his political opponents. it's just unacceptable for american democracy. so, when i talk with some of the young votes at my district that is, young, diverse, working class, we need to remember, that in the civil rights move people didn't go out and vote to us, they don't just go out and do sit ins at lunch counters. we need to continue the struggle, cycle after cycle after cycle. and through a solution, the challenges keep the work going. >> congressman, anyone we seen these poll shows president biden's approval rating declining to the lowest level of his presidency, 40%. and biden behind former president donald trump for the first time in a hypothetical general action matchup. all the usual caveats about polls, how they're sitting around apply, but do you think people in the white house get how bad the situation is getting, how big the threat of having trump's, and what do you think they should be doing to -- we >> should be taking these numbers seriously, and doing all the work we can to keep trump out of the white house. i think there's two things we need to do the first, is to show and remind people what donald trump would do to your pocketbook, he such a corporate rift or, how much of a liar, a fraud he is. or, hwe need to draw strong cot that will take all of us getting the message out because this country isn't just run by joe biden, it's an entire party, a whole set of activists. it would help if we have the president drawing the strongest contrast possible. i've seen president biden do it. look, we've seen when he stood up to corporate bullies, talked about getting rid of these -- we seen when he talked about immigrants getting work permits to we've -- seen him take on powerful interests and that's when he's at his strongest and drawing a contrast with this. >> a big issue of course driving the fall in the biden numbers as israel compartment of gaza. the majority of democratic voters believe israel has gone too far in its actions in gaza accordinto the new poll among voters 18 to 34. 70% of them disapprove of biden's handling of the war. could the president lose reelection because of what's happening in gaza right now, and therefore how big of a political and moral mistake is it for joe biden to sow uncritically back israel and this war? >> there is a critical moral case but as you laid out here, mehdi, there's an important view of the politics that we need to look at. i believe that nbc poll, iran a pole here in my own district in central texas running from san antonio to austin. 80% of democratic voters said they were more likely to support an elected official who standing for a cease-fire, peace, and protecting innocent civilians, israeli and palestinian alike from getting killed. i'm proud to see more and more members of congress moving in this direction. even the president starting to move in the direction of saying, we need a cease-fire and long term peace without killing thousands more innocent people. that's where our motors are, the same way i was saying the president stood up to powerful corporations, this is a moment to stand up for pace, because so many voters including young voters have been sickened by's seeing occupation and these long wage wards in the middle east that they'll make us safer. >> congressman, 40 members of congress have called for a cease-fire including yourself. only one senator, dick durbin, how disappointed are you in the senate, especially progressives, and of course who called for a pause in the, bonnington falls raley attacks on civilians but of steadfastly refused to join you in your call for a cease-fire? >> i've spoken with so many members of our congressional congress -- in the house, so many people trying to wrestle with this decades long conflict to figure out what the path forward is for peace. and when i talk with people who are disillusioned, disheartened in this moment, i point to the large movement of just in the first few days it was less than a dozen members of congress. as you listed, now it's over 40, i think there is movement, it's important for people to continue to wrestle with the questions and speak out. >> congressman greg casar, thank you for your time, we appreciate it. >> thank you so much. >> after the break, we turn to the war in gaza in more detail, new details on a possible deal to release some of the hostages held by hamas. do not 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>> i do not. first of all, you don't know how those people died. >> the attempt by israel and president biden to discredit the death toll coming out of gaza by discrediting the health ministry figures as hamas figures, it has lf been discredited in recent weeks. human rights groups like -- has like elf ministry have been generally proven to be reliable. the u.s. intelligence community according to the wall street journal ha growing confidce in those numbers. well assistant secretary of state, barbara leaf, told a congressional hearing that frankly the casualty numbers from the conflict could be even higher than they're being cited. even the israeli military's own casualty figures have pretty much match those issued by the gaza health ministry in previous israeli conflicts with hamas in 2009 and 2014 for example. so, there's no point trying to wish away death in gaza, no point in trying to spin the record number of kids killed as hamas propaganda. no point in trying to the guy with the u.s. secretary general has called a graveyard for children. joining me now to discuss this is -- binary notebook on msnbc political analyst and omar borough, palestinian american analyst. thank you for joining me. omar, talk to me about what it's like to be a palestinian american and see so many of your friends, family members, community members get killed in the thousands, man, women, children and then see israeli officials and the american president just deny that it's happening, deny the numbers, deny the deaths? >> yeah, it has been got retching watching this happen, i've never seen this happen in previous rounds of successive assault on gaza. just on my feet scrolling down is filled with people whom i know personally posting about their dad loved ones. family members, children, brothers, sisters cousins who have been killed and watching israeli officials try deny responsibility for what everyone knows has taken place, it's nothing short of deplorable, we're looking what human rights organizations have documented as massive war crimes and discriminate bombings of palestinian civilian areas, in many cases obliterating entire families from existence. you, know the pretense is them trying to not be responsible for what they're saying they plan on doing because the rhetoric from the leaders has been genocidal throughout this entire campaign, even before it started, starting with cutting off water, electricity, food from the entire population in gaza. and describing them as human animals, to making reference to biblical passages that reference killing every man, woman, and child, animal. this is undeniably genocidal rhetoric and the actions have so far matched. and then to play this silly game of trying to switch -- you've said you're doing, you are indeed doing, it's incredibly distasteful. >> peter, the taking of hostages by hamas which is also a clear war crime, it has been hugely traumatic for the people of israel, the families of those hostages who want a deal no matter the cost, the compromise that needs to be made. how important will it be for not just their families but for ordinary israelis, and jews around the world, for those hostages including kids to come home if a deal can be done? >> yeah, i mean it's really hard for me to describe the magnitude of the agony that i think israelis and juice around the world have been and since the taking of these captives. it's compounded by the horrors we're seeing in gaza. everywhere i go i see posters, references to all the jewish institutions, day in and day out we remember them constantly. yes, the hostage families want to deal because they want these hostages who never should've been taken in the first place. as you said, to go free, we also think that if this means that there is a pause in the killing, that i believe also is ultimately good for the safety of israelis. it's not just that the palestinians won't die, i trumbull when i think about the consequences of this mass killing for the potential safety of the israelis i care about. we know hamas recruits its fighters from the families of people that israel has killed, from this mass staff in gaza, you're not going to get something more moderate than hamas, something that's willing to live in peace with israel, you're gonna get a politics which is even harder to deal with for israel. that's another reason i'd like to see a cease-fire. >> omar, the israelis are suggesting that it'll escalate in the south of gaza having taking over basically deep populated northern gaza. they suggested the al-shifa hospital was the beating heart, hq of a mask, we've yet to see evidence of that claim. -- saying that the real headquarters is in southern gaza, in the khan younis camp. omar, do you hear the sound of goalposts shifting? >> to say the least. this is honestly, it's insulting to everybody's intelligence that we're playing this game of pretending that hamas headquarters is here or there. obviously, if they had any clue where it was that would've been the first thing that they would've hit, that would've been the end of the conversation, the end of that. but they have no idea what they're doing and there is not a real endgame. frankly, there isn't a real way to defeat hamas militarily, completely, without obliterating the entirety of the gaza strip, which seems to be what israel is actually doing in effect. having destroyed 50% of the housing units throughout the entirety of the gaza strip, and moving on to where they've told people to move, claiming that this is where the safe areas, having already bombed it relentlessly to begin with, and now talk about escalating there. it really is a horror show. and, mehdi, to the point that peter made, more here in the first place precisely because palestinians have been denied freedom for decade after decade. and this is the reason why organizations like hamas -- that kind of despair, it produces resentment at least people to take up arms and retaliate using violence. the only way out of this is gonna be resolving this so that palestinians can be free in order to have a more secure future for both palestinians and israelis. >> peter, this clip from -- on thursday. i watch. >> we originally said in the attack on our people, on october 7th, we had a number at 1400 casualties. we've revised that down to 1200 cars we understood that we overestimated, we made a mistake, they were bodies that were so badly burned we thought they were ours, but in the end they were hamas terrorists. >> which begs the question, peter, if the hamas fighters burned all the israeli victims, who burn the 200 hamas fighters that he mentioned there? do you think we'll ever get an investigation as to what happened on october 7th, how hamas pulled off the attack, how the israeli security establishment failed -- doesn't want that. >> well, probably the israelis will do an investigation of their own security failures, given the israeli history the -- security failures. but, the fundamental issue is as omar was saying, these are two people that need to live together. and in the long run, israel might gain short term security gains by destroying hamas fighters and infrastructure. but in the long run, it's sowing the seeds for even more violence in the future. ultimately, these palestinians have a path -- they can see that ethical resistance not what happened on october 7th, but ethical fight for freedom is working. that's the only way ultimately are gonna weaken hamas and make it in a relevant political force. >> we will have to leave that conversation, there omar baddar, thank you for your analysis, peter, stick around to talk about the rise of antisemitism on the right in america, which we don't talk about enough. all of you are home, don't go away, much more to come. much more to come. known for loving the outdoors. known for getting everyone together. no one wants to be known for cancer, but a treatment can be. keytruda is known to treat cancer. fda-approved for 16 types of cancer, including certain early-stage cancers. one of those cancers is triple-negative breast cancer. keytruda may be used with chemotherapy medicines as treatment before surgery and then continued alone after surgery when you have early-stage breast cancer and are at high risk of it coming back. keytruda can cause your immune system to attack healthy parts of your body during or after treatment. this may be severe and lead to death. see your doctor right away if you have cough, shortness of breath, chest pain, diarrhea, severe stomach pain, severe nausea or vomiting, headache, light sensitivity, eye problems, irregular heartbeat, extreme tiredness, constipation, dizziness or fainting, changes in appetite, thirst, or urine, confusion, memory problems, muscle pain or weakness, fever, rash, itching, or flushing. there may be other side effects. tell your doctor about all your medical conditions, including immune system problems, if you've had or plan to have an organ or stem cell transplant, received chest radiation, or have a nervous system problem. keytruda is an immunotherapy and is also being studied in hundreds of clinical trials, exploring ways to treat even more types of cancer. it's tru. keytruda from merck. see all the types of cancer keytruda is known for at keytruda.com, and ask your doctor if keytruda could be right for you. 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you are allowing this. and then i found myself really hitting those people, actually. you're okay with that? on what grounds were you okay with that? >> yes, tucker carlson blaming big donors for white genocide. but not just tucker. he's one of the maga rights favorite hate mongers, charlie kirk. >> it is true that some of the largest financiers of left-wing and ty white causes have been jewish americans. they went all in on work. and it wasn't just a deal. it was some of the top jewish organizations in the country that have done that. >> wow. in the last few weeks, you've understandably played a great deal of attention to some of the offensive, and, yes antisemitic things being said and done by a handful of far-left winners at a handful of american universities. but while we've been passing placards for antisemitism and arguing over four palestinian slogans, a gallery of some of the most powerful and influential right-wing voices in america have been working to resurrect the kind of old-school brazen anti jewish rhetoric that would've been out of place in 1930s germany. so look. antisemitism is evil and an inexcusable. period. no one gets past for spreading it, whether on the left or the right. and when super powerful people on the right, the mosques and carlson's of this world, start saying the kind of stuff that -- neo-nazis, we should all be paying attention and denouncing it. peter beinart, journalist, analyst, is back with me. peter, how worried are you to see the sort of old-school antisemitism about jews undermining white people, about jewish dollars, to quote charlie kirk, about hitler being right, not just being pushed by fringe leftist on can passes, but by -- >> we know that when hostility and hatred rises toward black and brown people, it also usually rises towards jews. there's this old trope that basically is, because people are so racist that they don't think that black people or hispanic people or muslim people can really organize themselves, they tend to always imagine that jews are kind of behind the scenes, pulling the strings to destroy white people. that was the idea that led to the person who shot up the tree of life synagogue. he thought that the jews were bringing in these migrants to central america. this is the same idea that we're hearing now. and it needs to be fought full stop. the problem is that sometimes, because some of these white nationalists say they love israel, then they can get a kind of pass for this really -- >> so let me jump in. let me jump in. we've got very little time. i want to jump in on that point about the past. on wednesday, the anti defamation league condemned musk for endorsing that antisemitic conspiracy theory. jonathan great blatt did the same thing. the next, day right after musk promised to ban palestinian slogans like from the river to the city, praising -- what is going on here? >> i mean, what's going on is that jonathan greenblatt cares more about silencing palestinians and people who criticize israel than he does about stopping the white nationalism of elon musk. the idea that if you're gonna stop saying you can't say palestine should be free from the river to the city, you'll shouldn't be able to see that you can have one israel from the river to the city because, that's a state that's considered an apartheid state by israel's own human rights organizations. and makes no sense. but because greenblatt is so concerned about criticism of israel, is willing to essentially praise a man who's been engaging in the most antisemitism just a few days before. >> we are on a very weird and depressing place. peter beinart, appreciate your analysis. thank you for your time. and we will be right back after this break. this break personal advisors. hey david. connect with an advisor to create your personalized plan. let's find the right investments for your goals okay, great. j.p. morgan wealth management. with the freestyle libre 2 system, know your glucose level and where it's headed. no fingersticks needed. manage your diabetes with more confidence. freestyle libre 2. try it for free at freestylelibre.us still living with odors? 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