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passed away. the life report in just a moment. and, new remarks from president biden. plus, former president donald trump's revenge tour. i'll speak with democratic congressman greg azar about the ex presidents radical plans for a second term. and, new details on a possible hostage deal between israel and hamas, what we're learning, and the palestinian death troll tragically continues to climb in gaza. tonight, we begin with the breaking news that former first lady rosalynn carter has died at the age of 96. carter passed away peacefully with her family by her side, at her home in plains, georgia. she had entered hospice care in her home on friday. she is survived, of course by her husband, the former president jimmy carter, whom she was married for 77 years. rosalynn carter devoted herself to several social causes, in the course of her public life including programs that supported mental health care, human rights, social justice, and the needs of elderly people. and, she was considered to be the most political first lady since eleanor roosevelt. i am joined now by nbc news white house correspondent erin -- . erin, what does the white house, what does president biden's reaction mean to the 41st ladies passing? >> betty, so many glowing tributes to the former first lady in the last several hours. we have now heard from each of the former first families about the life and legacy, the work that rosalynn carter did in her time in the white house. and, so much of the work that she did with her husband after their time in the white house. i do want to share with you the statemt got from president biden, and the first lady, dr. jill biden. they both spoke abo rosalynn carter earlier today, and then leased a really beautiful statement, attributed to her. and you can see pt it here, saying that time and time again during the more than four decades of our friendship, through the rigors of campaigns, through the darkness of deep anprofound loss, we always felt the hope, warmth, and optimism of rosalynn carter. she will alwayben our hearts. and on behalf of a grateful naon, we send our love to president carter, the entire carter family, and the countless people across our nation and the world, whose lives are better, fuller, and brighter because of the life and legacy of rosalynn carter. he said, may god bless our dear friend. and i should say, the president and the first lady, dr. biden. this was really a statement that summed up, nicely so much of rosalynn carter's life. you have to sort of bear in mind that i think, they only served one term in office, i should say. and, so much, the majority of their public work was done in the 40 plus years after they left office. and so, for generations of people, that is the rosalynn carter and jimmy carter that they know as humanitarians who traveled the world, working on human rights issues. and then, the people that we saw in later years, in their 80s and 90s, as volunteers out in the world, building houses, and trying to do good for people who need help. but also, the loving relationship that we all got to witness, again in their later years, as a husband and wife who were devoted to each other, devoted to their faith, and set such an example for so many people. i think that is much the legacy that we will remember rosalynn carter for, as much as anything that she did during their time in the white house, mehdi. >> well said. nbc -- 's thank you for your reporting. joining me now michael -- nbc news president and historian, and jonathan -- msnbc contributor and author of his very best, jimmy carter, a life. thank you both for joining me this evening. it is sad that is out under these circumstances. michael, you tweeted earlier this evening, quote, rosalynn and jimmy carter are examples of staying grounded, and remembering where you came from. after his defeat, when she poured coffee in planes for a visitor in 1981, and the guest said a first lady shouldn't be serving him, jimmy said, she's just a southern woman now. michael, talk to us about how rosalynn carter will be remembered? >> well, she will be remembered as he will, for staying standard and grounded, and returning as an ex president and ex first lady to the house that built them, a modest house as john alter writes in his excellent book 1961, that they built. and, that's where they live, that's where they had -- entered their final days. and -- where mrs. carter closed out her life today. she will be remembered i think as a partner in this presidency. this was a co presidency, a word that she would have hated. but i can remember seeing her from the white house, probably a little over more than 20 years ago, and i made a comment you know, you brought so much to your husband's presidency. and she said no, it was all jimmy, don't give any credit to me. but this is about as close to a presidential first lady partnership in running that white house as i think we have seen in american history. >> for jonathan, you know the carters very well, you wrote that excellent book, as michael mentioned. during their presidency, even when the president's approval rating, jimmy carter's ratings were in the tank, she was being ranked as one of the most popular women in the world. outside of mother teresa. what did people of about, her and what did she love a being first lady? >> well, i think she was a tremendous combination of strength and grace. so she was a very tough political operative, even her husband said she had better political intent than he did. she was extremely well respected by the white house staff staff, which is sometimes unusual in administrations where the presidents people kind of want the first lady to get out of the way. and, she d.e.e., as an envoy to, she's the first first lady to serve as a diplomat. she won very high marks around the world, except for some of the dictators who she stared down on human rights. and so, this was an enormously accomplished first lady. i think people tend to think of the carters as people who succeeded after the presidency. but actually, they got a lot done when he was president. i just want to give you three quick examples of why rosalynn carter is arguably the most influential first lady in history, on policy. so, she spearheaded the passage of the first major mental health bill in this country in 1980, which ronald reagan repealed a lot of it, and it didn't come back into obamacare. the single greatest champion of human rights in this country's history. she and the wife of senator dale -- went around the country and they convinced 33 states to require vaccinations of children before they can go to school. which was enormously powerful on measles mumps rubella, and just improving the health of the american people. and, i think a third major accomplishment was that she convinced her husband to a 0.5 times as many women to the federal bench as all of its predecessors combined. and that was very much something that rosalynn carter was a -- ensure that happened. >> so michael, let's pick up where jonathan is laying out their, in terms of her influence. time magazine i believe once called or the second most powerful person in america. she used to attend cabinet meetings, right. that is her impact, politically. and we talk about this first lady job in terms of you know, sometimes with recent first ladies it's but with a little bit, but she brought real, as jonathan -- impact on that role. >> she had talents that he did not have, just as john, he's absolutely right in saying. if i had to rely on jimmy carter's ability to see into someone's motives, or rosalynn carter's, i would take rosalynn. and he understood that, he knew that she in many ways was schroeder about people, especially people who did not have his best interest at heart then, he was. this was a partnership where they brought this very much to each other. in also, she always told him the absolute truth, whether it was, whether he would enjoy it or not. and he made a bad speech, she would tell him. she would take on for instance, john you and many were talking about her work for mental health and mental illness. that was something that no first lady or president had taken on before, because their hammers would always say, don't do it because people would wonder if there was someone, and this is the word that used, whether there is crazy, some crazy person in your family. that's how -- things were. and she would go to cabinet meetings, and in 2023, that would be considered a contribution by a first lady. if dr. joe biden, for instance, went to a cabinet meeting in 1977, people said what is she doing, is she running the white house. she was not elected. >> we are to seeing some lovely lovely images on screen, as you are speaking, some great memories. jonathan, neither rosalynn carter nor her husband fully took a step back after he left office. you just mentioned a moment ago some of the pretty impactful thing she did as first lady. talk briefly to us about her work in the post presidential period, with the carter center, with habitat humanity, and beyond. >> so she accompanied her husband everywhere he went, more than 100 countries. and they were trying to, what they called, wage peace. so some of this was diplomatic, and you've got quite a bit accomplished on that. we know about the global health complements, where they basically eradicated -- worm disease, which had afflicted 3 million people, and now about 30 cases in the whole world. and they monitored more than 100 elections. you know, trying to promote democracy. and then on her own, and she did things separate from the carter center and president carter, she started a fellowship for journalists who are interested in reporting on mental health issues. and, the rosalynn carter center for caregiving. you know, that word caregiving we now kind of take it for granted. in the 1970s, it didn't really exist, there were people who were providing care for sick relatives or others that they knew, uncompensated care, but it wasn't an occupation. now, it is. a lot of that is thanks to rosalynn carter, who has been very focused on caregiving. and mattie, actually that just scratches the surface of the contributions of this team. >> it certainly is a unique and deep legacy from the former first lady. michael -- jonathan -- thank you for being with me tonight to, discuss that legacy. coming up, nbc news polling on a hypothetical trump biden rematch, it is not looking good for democracy. i'll be joined by democratic congressman craig -- don't go away. >>t go away. >>just very important. she's my sister and, we depend on each other a lot. she's the rock of the family. she's the person who holds everything together. ♪♪ it's a battle, you know i'm going to be there. keytruda and chemotherapy meant treating my cancer with two different types of medicine. in a clinical trial, keytruda and chemotherapy was proven to help people live longer than chemotherapy alone. 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pull back the curtain and take a look at who could be tasked with carrying out trump radical agenda come 2025. and on to the question, what would a second trump presidency without any huma guardrails, without adults in the room actually look like. let's start with the second best opposite, vice president of the united states, earlier this month trump voted the name of someone you probably heard of before, x fau host and far-right error, tucker carlson. trump said he liked tucker a lot, and will consider him for vp because he has common sense. here they are piling around a ufc fight just last week. i don't have time to go through all of the horribly racist, sexist, and bigoted remarks that carlson has made throughout his career, to bigoted even for fox, this is a small taste -- heartbeat away from the presidency. >> we have a moral obligation to admit, even if it makes our country poor, dirtier, more divided. >> dirtier. next stop, trump's pick for national security adviser, chl flynn. if that name sounds familiar it's because you already have that job during the first term, but only for 24 days before he was first to decide -- trump pledged to bring the former army lieutenant general back calling flynn someone really special a reminder that this is a man that suggested trump seized voting machines, declare martial law and states to rerun the 2020 election. since then, flynn embarked on a nationwide tour traveling from city to city to push election denialism, christian nationalism, and the qanon type conspiracy theories. let's move on to a man a lot of people may not have heard of yet. mike davis. he's the man many in trump's inner circle including his own son, don jr., and steve bannon, are pitching to be the countries next possible attorney general. earlier this week, over on my peacock show, i dove deep into the conservative lawyers record from davis's threats to sending journalists to the d.c. cool ag, -- on social media for his followers to quote, arm up against a violent black underclass. it appears i may have struck a nerve, davis has responded to my monologue from earlier this week, pledging to indict me when he is a.g. for what i'm not sure, but he's threatened to send me to the d.c. gulag. that's a totally normal, non-fascist response from a man named to become the chief law enforcement officer, right? now to other man you may not know so well, kash patel, trump loli, former national security stafr, could very well become the country's next cia director despite a lack of qualification. during this first administration, trump already try to install patel as deputy cia director, the president only backed down when his director of the cia, gina haspel, threatened to quote if he hired patel. and now patel's drop -- classified documents case he's falsely claimed the trump had unilateral authority to the classified records saying, quote, he can literally stand over a set of documents and say these are now declassified. last, year sycophant patel -- trump inspired book called the plot against the king. which the ex president such should be available in every school in america. and last but not least, maybe the craziest possible future administration official of all, white house press secretary, laurel bloomery, that's what's looming as don jr. suggesting lunar for the job last week. >> laura lu merchandise to be a warrior for your dad. she's a bulldog, man, i'll say that she gets after it, i love this press secretary so i can explode. >> lommer as a close relationship with a plumber president, here they are rubbing shoulders on a golf course, and then they find a position before on his 2024 reelection campaign. t the far-right activists been self-described proud islamophobe wa blocked by none other an fellow far-right figure and islamophobia, congressman marjorie taylor room, thatcaed loomer, mentally unstable and documented liar. this week she said all palestinian american emoyees of the feder government should be purged from their jobs proclaiming that quote, if you want -- you should be born in this country. now with these kinds of far-right figures waiting in the wings, ready to serve in a possible second trump administration, it's really no surprise that the economist magazine this week dubbed donald trump quote, the biggest danger to the world in 2024. so, look, yes, you can be upset about the economy, frustrated over joe biden's age, and you can disapprove of the way the administration has handled the situation in gaza, those are all legitimate concerns, objections, criticisms. but we cannot overlook what's taking shape right before our very eyes, the second trump term filled with an extremist, far-right army of ultra loyalists and sycophants with little regard to the constitution, which will be beyond anything we've ever seen in modern america. and on that note, joining me now, is democratic congressman, greg khazar, of texas. congressman, i'm sure you're disillusioned, demoralized, leftist, people who voted for biden 2020 and are saying, i'm not voting -- we survived one trump term, will survive another, i hear people say that. how bad do you think a second trump term will be, and why will so many americans not see the threat? >> well, we can't have this election be the last fair and free presidential election in the country. we absolutely need to flip the house so we have a speaker of the house that will preserve the vote and make sure we count down the presidential election. we can't have donald trump continuing to threaten, what denies and utilize the federal government to take down his political opponents. it's just unacceptable for american democracy. so, when i talk with some of the young votes at my district that is, young, diverse, working class, we need to remember, that in the civil rights move people didn't go out and vote to us, they don't just go out and do sit ins at lunch counters. we need to continue the struggle, cycle after cycle after cycl

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