because of the loss of roe v. wade. i would be incapable of doing this job if i were not glass half full. i am hopeful. yes, it is definitely disheartening to think that so much of the population does not think we will ever have a woman president. i will be looking forward to the day when they have to say that they were wrong. >> me as well, danielle campoamor. we have a lot more coming up. our second hour starts right now. our second hour starts right now. >> hi everybody, i'm yasmin again. if you are just joining us, thank you for sticking with us. we are thankful for that. we are following breaking news from israel. the idf is releasing new video which it claims shows hamas has been using al-shifa hospital as a command center to carry out attacks. we're going to have a live report in just a moment. we are also tracking the latest on a potential hostage deal in israel. officials are stressing the fragile state of the proposal. >> some of the outstanding areas of disagreement are very complicated, very sensitive. i believe we are closer than we have been in quite some time, maybe closer than we have been since the beginning of the process to getting the deal done. we really need to adhere to the mantra that nothing is agreed until everything is agreed. sensitive negotiations like this can fall apart at the last minute. >> a new nbc news poll showing that the handling of israel hamas war is costing president biden with voters, especially young voters. we're going to dive into that. donald trump's increasingly violent and violent rhetoric on the campaign trail and the impact it is having beyond the former president. we're going to look at that ahead as well. we begin this hour with the latest in the israel-hamas war. israeli defense forces have released what they say is proof of a hamas tunnel near the al-shifa hospital. that video is on your screen now. it hasn't been independently verified by us here at nbc news. israeli forces say it's 55 meters long and ten meters deep underneath the al-shifa hospital complex. joining me now is matt riley in beirut. bring us up to speed on what more you can tell us about this video. >> yeah, the idf said they have released this video -- they actually said they found this total yesterday and they found it when they did a controlled explosion on a vehicle which was parked above it or next to it. they revealed a blast proof door. underneath the door, according to the idf, there was a ten meter deep tunnel which was started with a three meter deep ladder which continued a is sent down a circular staircase for the next seven meters. after that, as you mentioned, there is a 55 meter tunnel into sections, five meters and another 50 meters. they said they also discovered weapons and this blast proved or. all of this is part, according to the idf, part of the al-shifa hospital complex. the reason why this is so significant, yasmin, if it is true and nbc news has not been able to independently verify the footage or any of the information that i just said, all of this is coming from the idf. if this is true, it would vindicate what the idf has been saying ever since they started their attacks in and around the al-shifa hospital area. a lot of the other hospitals, they have claimed time and time again that they have been used as operational headquarters or just as refugees for hamas militants. this has been really important for the idf and important for the rest of the world. hospitals are considered to be in the reach of militants unless they are being used by combatants, by people who are involved in the fighting. if this is true, and again, nbc news has not been able to verify this, it would vindicate the idf position that the hospital is part of the fighting and it is therefore a legitimate military target. the united nations said that it is essentially a dead zone but no longer really operates as a hospital. there are only 250 patients left there, two dozen staff. this is really something that the world has been focusing on for the past few days. this is important part of the story we have been seeing in the gaza strip. >> matt bradley for us, thank you. i want to bring in now nbc national news editor -- for more than seven months while a reporter for the new york times. thank you for joining us. we appreciate it. before we get into these hostage negotiations which are ongoing and have been ongoing for quite some time, really since the start of the war, i want to talk first about your reaction to the discovery of these tunnels. we have not independently verified, as you all know, the validity of those videos, the validity of the tunnels. nonetheless, this is yet another example of, as the idf is showing us, almost using a hospital complex to house some of the military equipment. >> it is hard to say. you know, no journalists have been allowed into the tunnel complex. i think the number of weapons will be important. look, i will back up. hamas clearly carried out a terrorist attack on october 7th. they killed more than 1000 israelis. i guess i just want to be patient. i want to see if the idf produces more evidence. the key term here is command center. president biden himself said they were operating a headquarters under the e hospital. this tunnel is clearly used by hamas for military purposes. under -- five covered various conflicts. routinely, a cease-fire is agreed to and hospitals are evacuated. there are not assault on hospitals. there was this effort to get into the hospital without a cease-fire, without having the international red cross come in and evacuate them. israel says that was because hamas fighters were present. some weapons were found last week in the section of the hospital. i will just be honest, we don't know enough yet about what actually was happening inside al-shifa hospital. >> there seems to be, though, david, as we are all seeing, a continued hospital inside gaza. the reason being, as idf puts it, there are these command centers and or areas in which hamas holds some of their military equipment. however, the casualty count is incredibly high. is that a justification for these continued assault even if hamas is beneath them? >> you know, the geneva conventions sign before and after world war ii set out clear rules about hospitals. if an enemy force is based in a hospital and repeatedly firing on your force and you have to take control of the hospital to achieve your military goal, that allows an army to fire on a hospital, a school, other locations which are normally protected. israel may find overwhelming evidence that this was a command center, that hamas was firing on it from al-shifa hospital. normally, i covered the war in bosnia and afghanistan. there will be a cease-fire. the u.n. would go in, empty the hospital, and the two sides can keep firing on each other. soldiers can kill soldiers. that is what war is. you are supposed to protect civilians and the wounded. >> i want to shift gears here for a moment in a story that we have been following up until now, these hostage negotiations which have been ongoing for a possible elongated cease-fire, maybe four or five days alone. what we know about this? last weekend, benjamin netanyahu alluded to these ongoing talks but did not want to give more the math. where are we on this? what do your sources tell you? >> there are more details. i am hearing this from our colleagues at nbc news about the length of the cease-fires you mentioned earlier. some top of prisoners, of the hostages to be released, maybe it doesn't, maybe more. i want to emphasize that we have been hearing descriptions of a deal for the last week but no final agreement, no final agreement. it's not clear what is happening here. there is clearly pressure. i think there's pressure from israeli hostages, ten american citizens who are among the hostages. there is pressure from the biden administration. there's pressure for them to agree to some sort of temporary cease-fire to 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jimmy carter. nbc's lester holt looks back at her life and legacy. >> it's now my pleasure to introduce someone who i love and respect and cherish, my wife rosalynn. >> she was jimmy carter's partner, best friend, and closest adviser in and out of the white house for more than three quarters of a century. softspoken, politically savvy, and fiercely determined, rosalynn carter was known as the steel magnolia. she made the role of first lady her own. born rosalynn smith in plains, georgia, she was a neighbor to jimmy carter three years for senior. >> i was shy and found out that he was easy to talk to. we hit it off really well. i think i was already in love with him. >> they married in 1946 when she was 18. >> we have been equally and totally dedicated partners even when i was still earning a living as a peanut farmer. >> jimmy ran in the family farm. rosalynn helped manage the business. they raised a family, three sons, and later, daughter amy. jimmy got into politics, elected georgia governor in 1970, then ran for president with rosalynn's enthusiastic support. >> people got to know him. when they know him, they vote for him. >> thank you both very much. >> she's completely objective and unbiased. [laughter] >> i love politics! >> the small town girl with a poor family who never finished college thrived on the natural stage. >> every day, i see things that i think i could help with, things i want to learn more about. >> jimmy carter won the election with rosalynn playing a key role. >> i was involved with the selection of the vice president. >> she was front and center from the start, attending cabinet meetings, leaning on policy issues, including mental health, becoming the first first lady since eleanor roosevelt to testify before congress. >> i am here as a concerned citizen. there are so many opportunities. if i don't use the influence i have to help those people who need help, i think that's a terrible waste. >> she served as president carter's emissary, taking high profile trips flatten america and asia. >> i think i'm the person closest to the president of the united states. if i can help and understand the countries of the world, that's what i intend to do. >> often more popular than the president himself, she was his advocate in chief. >> i'm proud of jimmy carter and the job he is doing. he is without a doubt the best person in our country to see us through these times. >> faced with a troubled economy, carter lost to ronald reagan in 1980. the carters returned to planes. they founded the carter center and together began a remarkable decades long post presidency devoted to human rights, international diplomacy, eradicating disease, and a year after year building a low income housing with habitat for humanity. in 1999, they were awarded the presidential medal of freedom. >> i think that was one of the happiest times of my life. there is life after the white house. >> through it all, she remained her husband's greatest champion. >> it irritates me when people say he was a good former president. he was a good president. i don't worry about his place in history. >> as for her own place in history, rosalynn carter was characteristically modest. >> i think i did the best i could. >> rosalynn carter, the former first lady of the united states. i want to bring in jonathan alter, msnbc political analyst and carter biographer, to talk more about her life and legacy. thank you for joining on -- i know that you know the carter family quite well. talk us through the legacy that rosalynn carter leaves behind today. >> thank you for having me on. this is a sad day for the carter family, obviously, but i think it should also be a sad day for the united states. rosalynn carter was one of the most formidable, influential first ladies in american history. few people know it. i think part of what will it now come out is what an important figure she was. just to give you one small example of many, she was the greatest champion of mental she got past the first mental health, major mental health situation in the united states in 1980. you know, many other contributions, she was responsible for getting 33 states to require vaccination for children to go to school which we know saved many lives. there were all of the contributions in the post presidency which lester holt just mentioned. it is a big legacy. they had one of the most important presidential partnerships in american history. she deserves to be spoken of in the same sentence as eleanor roosevelt and abigail adams. >> you mentioned, jonathan, how she was a fierce advocate of mental health. she made this campaign promise when her husband was running for president, saying that as first lady she would make the welfare of the nation's mentally ill her priority, being the first potential first lady to make that campaign promise. why is she so dedicated to this? >> when her husband was first running for governor in 1966, he lost that year and was elected in 1970 in georgia. she just found a lot of people around the state who had untreated mental health issues. she became an advocate as first lady of georgia. she kept her promise and the mental health systems act of 1980 was inactive. unfortunately, reagan's administration defunded that bill. many of the provisions for community mental health were not reenacted until obamacare 30 years later. in the meantime, through the carter center, she had done an important job champion in mental health. she set up scholarships for journalists who are interested in mental health issues. more broadly, she founded something called the rosalynn carter center for caregiving. when back in the 70s that concept of caregiving did not exist, a lot of people did not care. it was not seen as a major role in american society the way it is now. i think the idea of putting caregiving as a concept on the map is part of her legacy. >> jonathan, if you will stand by for me, i want to bring in kelly o'donnell to talk more about this. we are learning of the passing of former first lady rosalynn carter. talk us through what more you know. >> well we know that miss carter was surrounded by family when she passed away this afternoon. this has been a time when the family has had a chance to really see some of the reaction to both president carter and mrs. carter over these last several months. that is a rare and, i think, appreciated part of what has gone on as the country had a chance to say thank you to the carters over these months. back in february, president carter chose to enter hospice care so he could remain at home and stay with mrs. carter. a couple of months later, they publicly announced her dementia diagnosis. they have made their home in plains. they are so much a part of plains, georgia that the entire community is certainly feeling this. part of what we have seen in these months is that there have been reflections on their public service, on their contribution, and they were able, according to people close to the family, to see that, to take that in, and to experience that. it is a long time since they were in office from 1977 to 1981. they have had lives of public contribution and service in all of the decades since. it is remarkable that they were able to see that. being together was a very key part of this last chapter for the family, wanting the president and mrs. carter to live in their home and be among the things they loved. the community of planes where i have spent some time over the years has always been very much about the good works of the carters. as jonathan was talking about, her contributions to caregiving, the work which has gone on and the kinds of public service they have done in the name of the carters, they've inspired others to give food to those in need, projects to rebuild and support homes in the plains area, part of the local community, and the global reach of the carter center. mrs. carter was very much partnered with her husband, the former president. at a time when they were in the white house, she was also notable in remaking part of the first lady role in some way. she attended some cabinet meetings. that was controversial at times. it was part of what she did. she felt that it would allow her to give good advice and counsel to the then-president. you really see it reflected in their long marriage, the longest of all presidential couples at 77 years. they reached that milestone in july. she is also the longest lived second only to beth truman who lived about a year and a half longer. their long lives are part of their legacy. they were lives in reached with action and doing. that was certainly part of the legacy of mrs. carter. we are all thinking of president carter who himself is frail, 99 years old, but the family together and they have said for sometime in different ways through the family that they have been at these, that they have been ready for whatever next chapter would come. today is a bittersweet day, one where her life has come to his conclusion in this world but they are people of deep faith and the community around them will be celebrating the life of rosalynn carter. jasmine? and, it is always unbelievable to lose someone like rosalynn carter, who made such a mark on this country and this world, alongside the former president of the united states, and her husband, jimmy carter, who was still in hospice care. and kelly, i know that this just happened but do we know at all but the plans are to honor roseanne carter's? life >> we know that the source plans are made in advance with all and the military district of washington whenever a former president passes away. but expect this to be a very plain part of the days ahead. that information will be forthcoming, and certainly rosalynn carter was born in planes in 1927, with much of her life in planes, apart from time in atlanta when she was the first lady in georgia, time in washington during the carter presidency. and then of course, they have traveled the world. so, her impact is far reaching, mother of three sons, one daughter grandmother and so there is a lot of family in many ways that small town i the carter story, and part of the decision made along the way i as they will their personal home to the national park service. many of the landmarks of that community her, childhood home, school where they attended, are parts of the national park service. she will be buried right there in plains, near their home property. they have sort of a sprawling piece of property and she will not go very far island they'll be very much in fitting to the global figure, who is very much a home in plains. in september when they ventured out one last time in public, that we are aware of, on the peanut festival, xi and president carter were in the van britain driven by their secret service details. that detail has been with them for a very long time. and typically, the secret service that is assigned to the first lady and a president, will stay with them now in this face, we will stand post with her remains, and be with her until her ultimate internment. and so, there are a lot of rituals and gestures, and traditions that will play out over the next days. and as soon as we get more specific details, we will certainly share them. in the carter, center and the carter family have prepared, in so they know what the next steps will be, and there is this moment now in some ways as we head into the thanksgiving holiday, it is sort of perfectly dovetails with that, where the country can be grateful for her service, and her long life. and, that she was able to pass at home with loved ones. i believe that is what she wanted, in god granted that wish. >> that is certainly a beautiful way to put it, kelly o'donnell, thank you, appreciate it. again, former first lady of the united states rosalynn carter has now died, at the age of 96, entering hospice care this past friday. it was also announced a few months ago that she had been diagnosed with dementia. she wasn't hospice care alongside her husband, former president of the united states jimmy carter. i want to bring in msnbc anchor and -- nbc news correspondent. andrea if you will, give me your reaction to the death of former first lady rosalynn carter? >> i think my reaction is gratitude. gratitude for such a beautiful life, in her devotion as kelly was, saying she was one of the first advocate for mental health, with many passion. i've interviewed her i've interviewed in their post presidency to cure river blindness to work in africa with river blindness and other diseases which. some of the interviews i did with them are i they were arguably the most productive former president to the contributions to our country the nobel prize i was attributed to that i and i'm just grateful in this thanksgiving season i think we should've childhood it is just legendary. and, i knew the family, and during the presidency, i will remember the, the christmas at their place, and going first to her pond house and then to her mother's house where they would open gifts and boats. and when i was a little girl. i can just think of so many memories from planes, the correspondent for nbc news. and, often during the holidays, i was backing up the -- so, it was oftentimes, -- on holiday weekends, and holiday, long holidays. and, i spent a lot of time down there, and a lot of time with them. and obviously, at the carter center. and, she just was an extraordinarily wise mother in public service servant. and, appreciated by all who knew her. >> andrea, tell me more about what we see you saw between them. both rosalynn and. jimmy what did you see between them as a couple, as a love story, as a husband and as a wife? we need them obviously as the former first lady tonight, states the four resin of the united states, but they, were rosalynn and jimmy to the, family and to each other. what do they know about their relationship. it was absolutely devoted and the devotion that she described it's friends, lovers, partners throughout life. and, the fact that they were, he chose hospice as home, i always felt when he made that decision, i think last february, that that was partially to be with her. and subsequently, she announced that she was suffering from dementia. and, to be together for as long as they could in life and they were -- they were apolitical couple, but they were mostly devoted to -- and to each other, and it was one of the great love affairs in american history. and, they did everything together, and he always felt that she could do anything she could and, with her quiet voice in a quiet unassuming ways, she was just a remarkable remarkable woman. an i think that he appreciated all of this wonderful qualities and i i've ageist i'm the ups and downs of the journey i >> back in july i former first lady rosalynn carter has now died at the age 90. six she was in hospice care, and had entered hospice care on friday after being diagnosed with dementia. she was alongside her husband, and surrounded as kelly o'donnell told us, by her family. andrea mitchell, thank you so much for joining us on this sunday, as we think and talk about the life and legacy of rosalynn carter. jonathan, also i want to come back to you and i want to tackle rosalynn carter as the person, as the individual, as the woman i we only were so publicly i. what >> we'll, she was a tremendous combination of formidable public figure and enormously gracious person, so normally when a first lady exercise a lot of power in the white house, the presidents staff kind of resents it. you know, they don't say it publicly, but they really don't welcomed the interference. it was different in the carter white house. when rosalynn carter would get involved with an issue, the presidents staff was happy about it. because they thought that maybe she could get through to her stubborn husband, often stubborn husband. and, she had better political judgment than jimmy carter did, as jimmy carter was the first to recognize. and when you would see this with them when you would get together with them, as i did on many occasions in researching my biography. so they would finish each other 's sentences often there have varying counts of what happened. when they tried to write a book together one point infinitely 80s, they quarreled over it because they had differing recollections of certain things but their bond as andrea mentioned was, it was truly no exaggeration, one of the greatest love stories ever. so they were married for 77 years, i went with my wife to their 75th wedding anniversary, in 2021. and, it was interesting to see who was there, it was mostly the friends ordinary terrific people that you would not see at another presidents anniversary party. nancy pelosi came down, we and they add up to be sure that everything was be able to i when she turned six in august i'm a couple of days after she was born, the nurse who delivered her -- jimmy carter's mother, brought around her two and a half year old toddler jimmy to see the new baby. so jimmy and rosalynn carter knew each other for 96 years. and by being married for 77 years, only 1000 couples in the united states have been married for 77 years or longer. so for that category of american president, just in terms of american couples, this is an astonishing partnership. they did everything together from learning to and spanish so they can say their prayers in spanish before bed to dodging bullets in africa after the presidency to fly fishing in siberia when he was 90 and she was 87. they learned to ski together when they were pretty old. they were constantly trying to improve themselves, and improve the world. and their dedication to bettering the lives of literally millions of people, hearing diseases, doing what they called waging peace around the world, somebody should write her biography. i mean, i tried to put a lot about her in the of -- her husband but she really is a large enough figure that she deserves her own biography. and i interviewed 250 people for my book, and not one of them had anything critical to say about mrs. carter. that was not true of her husband, there is plenty of criticism at the end. but not of her that's how impressive and gracious and often delightful a woman she was. >> jonathan, did i hear you correctly? this was something i didn't know, if in fact i did, that jimmy carter's mother delivered rosalynn carter, and he was walking as a two and a half-year-old toddler to meet this newborn baby? >> yes that's correct, and then. >> that is incredible. >> yeah she became ruth carter's best friend, jimmy's younger sister. and then, when jimmy went off to the naval academy, and ruth was, had rosalynn over to the carter hell's, just outside of planes, she would loom over the picture of jimmy. and his uniform, his naval uniform, and when he was at the academy, they started going out, and they got married almost right after he graduated in 1946. and, they. you know, they had many adventures in their marriage, and he, group in his own account. at first, he would make major decisions without telling her, so he left, and he was in a very elite program, nuclear navy, one of the most exciting technology projects of the middle of the 20th century, that was nuclear powered submarines. and, roseland love being the -- key to get out of planes, and when jimmy's father died, she decided without telling his wife, who really was consulting with her in a significant way, that he was going to quit the navy, and returned to planes. and, assume his father's business, and responsible, which she did. and i mean, prior -- to the thousand-mile trip from the scent connected the new york planes georgia, roseland gave jimmy the silent treatment. she was so upset about this, and she felt for almost a whole year about having to be back home. and then, her husband's business the warehouse business was facing bankruptcy, and she plunge in she was very good business what woman and then she cdc i in his political career, and he always said that he never -- he was elected in 1976, when he was a huge long shot, had it not she was credit really for winning the profit of, primary for that was historic, very important primary. because he beat george wallace there, and not only did that change the course to the nomination and the presidency, but it was the end of george wallace's political career, and the end of the racist wing of the democratic party. so that's just you know, another of many accomplishments, that span the ears from when she was first lady of georgia, through just a, couple of years ago, when they would travel together. they met with putin, when jimmy carter was in his 90s. and you know, reported back to the obama administration. and, they were very very actively involved in diplomacy, global health, democracy promotion. together, they supervise more than 100 elections around the world, to try to keep them honest. and, we we can talk all day about her contributions. >> one last question for you jonathan. did the former president ever tell you when he knew he wanted to marry rosalynn, and why? >> yes and he e, he actually wrote a poem about it. you know it's a romantic story. so they went on a double date to the movies in americas -- near planes. and, hi-yah. when you pick up to the date yeah i neither would movie there are. and she came out of she came from i.c.e. poor family than jimmy did i and a tiny house in planes and when she was addressed for the day, she came out he was smitten and he said that he felt that night, that he was going to marry rosalynn smith. and, she turned down his first proposal, she wanted to continue her education, and she eventually agreed, even though jimmy's parents didn't think it was a good match for him, particularly his father. and, but then they no, they embarked on this extraordinarily american, and i need. they sometimes said that the secret of a successful marriage of the senate spent time apart, and they were apart. but when he was campaigning, or during the presidency. but she would usually travel with him. and, they did much more together than just separately. and their partnership you know, on like franklin and eleanor roosevelt, and bill and hillary clinton, was not marred by any personal. i put a little bit the chill between i and also, i was just sort of, very surprised to learn, for instance, that she was the first first lady who was ever an envoy for her husband. so, she was a personal emissary and a diplomat in latin america, and she confronted dictators about their poor human rights records. and when she returned from latin america, the new york times wrote a glowing piece, saying that she had done an outstanding job, as a diplomat. so, she had many -- i think that the one contribution which i mentioned somewhere earlier. i typically relevant right now i'm you'll recall that i number of states wanted to prevent covid vaccinations from being required for elementary school. well, vaccinations didn't used to be as. i may states hillary clinton a, i 33 states to require proof of vaccination and measles mumps rubella. if you think it, all of the work days that were you know, people not getting sick because of this, not just kids but their families, this was a huge public health advancement for the united states. if you people remember i i many subtle contributions i. >> jonathan alter, we so appreciate you joining us while we learn of the death of former first lady of the united states at the age of 96. thank you so much for the words you have shared today on her life, and her legacy left behind. i want to bring in greg bluestein from the atlanta journal-constitution. as we mentioned, the former first lady died in planes georgia, where she was born. she had entered hospice care on friday, after being diagnosed with dementia. she was just 96 years old. -- if you will, planes georgia just south of atlanta. what was her impact on the community there? >> yeah well we should remember for several months, -- her impact on mental health reforms, her role as the -- between these two that stretched 90 years you know, -- so, and also as an equal partner, and her impact here in georgia as first lady of georgia, and the first lady of the u.s., of course was viewed as an equal partner. i mean, jimmy carter would go to lengths to prove that remark. he would sometimes, i've been in test conferences with him a decade or so ago, where he would call her up to the podium, in the middle of his remarks, to speak about her work on mental health, to speak about her passions. you know, her commitments. even as he was talking about his, he would bring her on most of the overseas trips that they went on. i was on one with him to the dominican republic and haiti, where rosalynn told me that she gets tired of all of the travel. but she said each journey had a payoff. when i asked the former president why he brought her, he just said to me, she just feels loan he dissolute me without her. you could just feel the love, you could feel the affection, it was so moving to me going with him on these overseas. trips >> greg bluestein, thank you for joining us on this. i appreciate, it certainly has had a major impact on the state of georgia. rosalynn carter, alongside her husband, former president of the united states jimmy carter, and in planes georgia as well, where they both reside. we've talked a lot about the love story between jimmy and rosalynn carter, and how they just celebrated their 77th wedding anniversary. 77 years back in july, jonathan also talking how he went to the 75th wedding anniversary party, that held jimmy carter at -- was marched into see a newborn rosalynn carter, and was delivered by his mother, a nurse at the time. i want to take a look at their love story, in their own words. >> this is the best night. of my life, perhaps with the possible exception of the night in my life 30 or so. >> and we've been married now, we just passed 72 years together, so we still get to know each other. >> it's interesting that rosalynn and i grew up in the same town. as a matter fact, when i was four years old, my family live next door to hers. >> and, he graduated from high school left home at 16, i was 13. he was way beyond my reach. >> i didn't know, it but she and my sister kind of plotted while i was in the -- >> sheet a picture on the wall in my room, and i think i just fell in love with the photograph. and, he asked me for a date. >> and my mom asked me, jimmy, what did she do last night? >> and i said, i want to the movie. she said, did you go with anybody. i said yeah, i went with rosalynn smith. and she said, what did you think of her? and i said, she's a lot, i'm gonna marry her. >> and i just think it was love at first date. it was, it was kind of wonderful. >> and i asked rosalynn to marry me, she said no. i [laughter] as you know, she eventually changed her mind. >> rosalynn and i had been equally and totally dedicated partners, even when i was still earning a living as a peanut farmer. >> well we have a very good kind of working relationship. i've always had my responsibilities, he's had his responsibilities, even when i work every day in the -- . >> that was a period in our life when we develop a real partnership, and real respect for what each other could do. >> she helped me with my campaign, she helped with everything i did when i was president. [applause] , >> i like being informal what he is going on. and jimmy talk to me, and i talk about what is happening. and i give him advice, and he doesn't always follow it. >> rosalynn has always been very close to me. and, personally as well as to consult with me, and that's for me and for her. >> i don't get jimmy's permission, he always encourage me to do the things that i'm interested in. >> roseland has always played a substantial role, and will continue that and that's what we -- in our partnership, and in politics. >> i love politics, i enjoy it. and, i will enjoy the life. >> she represented me overseas. >> president carter said farewell to mrs. carter today, and she left on a tour of latin america. >> and then after we left the white house, she has been a full and equal partner. >> farewell to jimmy carter, and to rosalynn carter. >> and -- we came home, we didn't know what we are going to do. we found ourselves deeply and debt. we did know how we were going to make a. living >> we, have a unpredictable future. we were somewhat embarrassed by. >> i for me. i may have trouble getting around, but i want to live in my home where i'm comfortable and my friends are nearby. i can do it with the help of a barber, personal shopper and exercise buddy. someone who can help me live right at home. life's good. when you have a plan. ♪ ♪ meet the traveling trio. the thrill seeker. the soul searcher. and - ahoy! it's the explorer! each helping to protect their money with chase. woah, a lost card isn't keeping this thrill seeker down. lost her card, not the vibe. the soul searcher, is finding his identity, and helping to protect it. hey! oh yeah, the explorer! she's looking to dive deeper... all while chase looks out for her. because these friends have chase. alerts that help check. tools that help protect. one bank that puts you in control. chase. make more of what's yours. 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diagnosed with dementia a few months ago. she spent time alongside her husband, former president of the united states jimmy carter, and continues to be in hospice care. she was a champion of mental health throughout her time in the white house, and following her time in the white house. i want to bring in michael -- nbc news presidential historian, to talk more about her life and her legacy, and -- michael, as we take in and understand really the life of rosalynn carter, and who she, was and how she spent her time alongside her husband, talk us through how you see her legacy. >> well number one, this was one of the great marriages in american history, even if they weren't president and first lady. not only the length of this marriage, but the closeness of it, but that partnership. and you know, everyone who has said this in the last two minutes is going to have to stand by. they love most of all being with each other. i am told by someone who is very close to both carter's, that last winter when jimmy carter was told that he was very sick and there was not very much that could be done for him, he was told probably the best thing is for you to go into the hospital where you can get the best care. and i am told that president carter said, no, i want to get home, and be in bed with rosalynn, and just sit holding hands, and that's the way i'd like to close my life. and that's really the way it happened. so that's on a personal level. but at the same time, this was a dual presidency, and i mean that in the most admiring way possible. the first time ever talk to rosalynn carter, which must have been over 20 years ago, i said you contributed so much to your husband's presidency. she said, absolutely not, that was all jimmy. i helped around the edges. and gave him advice from time to time. but, give the credit to him, you know, it had nothing to do with me. and that shows a, how modest she was, and be how good she was at concealing the fact that this was really a mom and pop. his political career was, his presidency was. and the carter center was, and that collaboration did put a lot of things that were very good for this country. we've heard -- and virtually every speech she gave, -- and on one famous case, -- 1976, she was about to give a stage on the energy crisis, and too little gas and she looked at the speech and said this was so bad people are just going to be bored. and the result was one he gave one most famous speeches of his presidency, instead, which was about what he called the crisis of confidence in american life fire have this hadn't fought by being on -- or rosalynn carter's bad side, i am told that they would have chosen to be on jimmy carter's bad side, because. her word on the marriage was so strong. >> that certainly speaks to what jonathan alter told us earlier, that the times rosalynn carter, former first lady had better judgment then. >> michael, michael beschloss as always, it is a pleasure sir to speak to you. appreciate it. i want to bring in now richard lui, who has interviewed the former president and rosalynn carter several times the last decade, and has collaborative with the rosalynn carter institute, which is focused on caregiving for the last several. years he was has for the -- past ten years >> -- richard, you'll actually have had a store but why rosen harder started interested. >> and you know, it is consistent with what has been said -- when he was running for governor in the 1970s, rosalynn carter without talking to some of the folks in the town. and she jumped into a family that was down on their luck, she talked to them, and she found out that this spells was taking care of a loved one. and, she was very much mentally in distressed. and so, she was very concerned about this. so rosalynn carter got in line. you know, the question line for the candidate. at that time, it was candidate jimmy carter. she waited in line for her term, she said mr. carter. yes, they were married, they knew each other, what are you going to do about this? and you know, jimmy carter looks at her and goes, well i guess we've got to do something about it. and, you are in charge. so, there starts rosalynn carter's move to take care of those who are going through mental health challenges, and caregiving. and, she didn't stop. so the rosalynn carter institute for caregivers, i was just speaking with the team of the day, and clearly this is a loss for generations of people who have seen what she has done. i was just with them on thursday, as they were celebrating what she stood for in minneapolis. and so, the work in which she stood for for so long definitely continues, and the idea of rosalynn carter. >> hey richard, when you were interviewing her, what stood out to you about her personality? >> so, this is what stood out. and we talk about the love story. so, they sat side by side when i interviewed them once. and yeah, they walked over

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