i'm paola ramos, in for alicia menendez. we begin tonight with new developments in the israel-hamas war and the hospital at the center of israel's eulogy to dismantle the terrorist organization. pensions and medical staff left al-shifa hospital today, leaving only israeli forces and a few doctors to treat patients. the director of hospital systems orders the israeli army ordered people to leave. the israeli army says it agreed to help palestinians who wanted to leave. chris what's important to understand. since the start of the, the al-shifa medical complex transformed into a place of refuge for thousands looking to escape israeli. rights under international humanitarian law, the targeting of hospitals is outlawed. however, there are certain exceptions if they're used for military purposes. this, week the idf released videos which you can see on our screen. of weapons it says are recovered from the hospital. nbc news has not independently confirmed, but we're showing the video. israel claims hamas uses the hospital as a command and control center that connects to a vast network of tunnels. staff at the hospital tonight's allegations. meanwhile, the hamas-controlled government says more than 12,000 people have died and gaza since the war began. that includes 5000 children. in israel, today, thousands of people marched into jerusalem, demanding the release of the roughly 240 hostages being held and gaza by hamas. starting us off tonight, from tel aviv is nbc news correspondent jay gray jay, really quickly take us to al-shifa hospital right now. what's the latest and what we know about the ongoing military operations that are happening there? >> paola, it continues to be a hospital and collapsed for the most part. children of the sport, as you talk about patients, staff civilians, sheltering there. thousands have left the hospital over the last 24 hours there. there was a debate between idf hand mass, or the order to leave? the doctors say. or did they choose to leave on their own and for help but idea troops on the ground? with all of that said, we know there is a handful of doctors that remain behind and they are there because there are 120 or so critical care patients unable to leave and they refuse to leave their patients. those remain. what the idf has said, they continue to provide food, water, basic supplies and incubators, even, for some of the children there. they say that trying to exhibit the fact that they did and for us and want to leave the hospital. but there was no question, they mentioned ahead of president. their special forces on the ground. they are found weapons, their front ammunition, they're found tunnels. what they have been found is that command and control center that both israeli and american intelligence has said exist there. what the idf says when pressed on that is it's going to take some time. they have been different 16 years and uncovering that's just going to take more time. >> that's the main question everyone's mind. where is that command and control center. another question a lot of israelis had tonight, as they were, magic: the gathering and heard from president fdr who is what is the government doing to help release the hostages? what was the message from today's protest? >> we saw thousands joined the families who are ending a five-day march in jerusalem, demanding a deal to free those hostages. i think what you're hearing a lot of people say is, let's get a deal done. there's been speculation there is a deal and the works. it's all, of course, behind closed doors with qatar diplomats working as intermediaries here and u.s. diplomats on the sidelines, but a part of a top between hamas and israel. what we heard from prime minister netanyahu tonight is that really, there is been no substantive deal on the table. nothing they can agree to. we heard him say for the first time tonight, there could be a pause in fighting to release some of these hostages, but he quickly stressed it would simply be a pause and not a cease-fire. and said, again, they just haven't been able to reach any type of deal that would allow them to make any type of exchange. that's something you hear often here in israel. and there is no question that there is growing frustration with not only netanyahu but the war cabinet over not getting something done there. >> jay, thank you so much for that information. and places that. in a new column for the washington post, president biden's plus distinct calls for an immediate his power. biden writes, and i'm quoting, as long as ham claims to its ideology of destruction, as for is not. cease-fire is time they exploit to rebuildr stockpile of rockets, reposition fighters, and restart the killing by attacking innocents again. strong words. joining me tonight is ambassador dennis ross, who put a very important role in u.s. efforts to advance peace in the middle east. he helped broker the peace treaty between israel and jordan, 94, and helped facilitate the 19 under seven -- accord. he's now an msnbc foreign affairs analyst and a counselor for washington amplitude for -- thank you for being here tonight. a lot of things to cover. i want to start with president biden's up it. what did you make of his words? >> i think what we saw was two things. won, he wants to make it very clear that we're not going along with a cease-fire because a cease-fire just guarantees hamas will do this all over again. the recoup, as they have done in the past. they have been multiple space for us in the past, and each time they rebuild. in 2014, you had a conflict that went on for 52 days. there were 150,000 buildings and gaza at that time. they were uninhabitable. and there was an effort to reconstruct, there was an effort to put together a mechanism where that materials wouldn't be diverted by hamas. and hamas basically blocked it. so what you see is the president saying, we're not going to do what we saw again. all campers haven't changed all that. there has to be a different kind of outcome. it doesn't mean there can't be commander in portions, and infect their needs to be humanitarian pauses. to defer, to president biden, that's something he's constantly pushed for. and we've seen the israelis begin to be more responsive to that, then maybe they were a little while ago. >> another thing president biden said today, and beyond what you just mentioned, is also going back to this idea of a two-state on. he says that is pretty much the only way forward, if we're expecting pace on the cu but given the realities on the ground, and everything you know about the gaza strip yourself, how likely is that scenario? today? >> it's not possible anytime soon. i mean, first of all you have to come up with a conclusion to this per hamas is no longer in control of gaza. every single time we have made progress in the past, we have got suicide bombs from hamas. they're not about ending occupation, they're trying to and israel. so they are against pace. they have their own ideology, which is an ideology that there shouldn't be and israel at all. so the idf, to state for two people, that's in an estimate to them. you can't do that until you have a different administration and gaza. we have an administration in the west bank, the palestinian authority, which is lacking and credibility, highly corrupt, needs to be revitalized, need to be reformed. you have to go through a process of, i think, getting the arabs to work with the palestinians in that west bank to retool and revitalize and referral. and if they can't do that, you can create a different bases on the palestinian side. there is going to be a political reckoning and israel because of october 7th. and what you see and israel today is not what we are going to see in israel six or seven months from now. israelis have to process the trauma have gone through. it will be a debate that emerges. there will be a political reckoning -- i think you are going to see a different kind of israel and 6 to 7 months. there will be a debate for the first time on what relationship should be with palestinians. you have the -- process that was really not a functional debate. it was done secretly by the israeli government. we in paris basically upped opted it. in 2005 -- it wasn't debated. sharon made the decision. there was opposition to it, but not really a debate on what should that relationship with palestinians. that could be to come. it has to be part of the political or can, but it will come. the challenge for us is to sort of work out what i call the conflicting timelines of the arabs want a space for an, hour saying she's for now produces hamas still in power in gaza. the arabs would like to see a process where they would play a role and reconstruction and reform of the palestinian authority, but they also want to see what the political destination. when we say to state for two peoples? and you've got to reconcile their desire to move on that with the time israelis need to have to process what they're going through and have this debate. >> you mentioned political reckoning many times. i felt like you have seen it before. you have seen different faces of israel and palestine. i wonder if you can take us back to some of those historic peace deals you were involved in. i hope you can help us understand helpless lessons from the past can help us navigate what we're living through right now? >> it's a really good question. i think the most important lessons we learned from the past is putting accountability on both sides. if i had to do the summit over again, i would not have gone until we had agreements from the leadership on both sides that they were going to take certain steps they knew were going to produce a backlash. leaders can always told about their willingness to make serious decisions, but they don't really confront these kinds of historic decision until they're ready to confront their own constituencies who oppose it. and being prepared to advance and understanding -- even if there is a quiet understanding with us, that will tell us both sides are ready to move through it differently. one thing is, creating a better understanding on what are the real steps and real concessions they were prepared to make, even if it's only understood with the two of us privately. >> and bassett, thank you so much. i can't tell you how helpful it is to get a wind into the past. really appreciate it. up next, a colorado judge does the former president engaged in an insurrection. but can storm it on the ballot. what does this mean for similar challenges in other states? 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>> yes, he could. i think that there could be crimes he's committing in threatening witnesses and creating a obstruction of justice by possibly tainting the jury pool with his statements. he isn't going to be guilty of violating a gag order, and of course he did violate it. if it is still been in effect. his comments, right after it was lifted, would have violated. but he can't be charged with violating a gag order that isn't in place. so we will have to wait and see if there is any heart to go after him for a criminal violation of threatening a witness, or a codefendant. >> from new york, jill, i'm taking you to georgia. third is just so much going on. as you know, georgia prosecutors have finally requested a trial date for trump's racketeering case. the date is august 5th, 2024. that is about a couple of months from the 2024 election. that is a pretty big deal. what does this timeline mean to you? >> the first thing is whether it will conflicts with any of the other trials. and that will depend, in part, on whether judge aileen cannon delays her trial, which is otherwise in may. and whether that creates a backlog for a, the august trial date. i believe it is possible, and reasonable that it could go to trial in august. and although it is predicted it will take several months, it could be over before the november election. i think that is what america needs, to have all of these accusations determined by a jury so that we know -- the person who is on the ballot, unless of course the courts say he can't be on the ballots because of the insurrection he fostered. or the aid he provided. that is also within the 14th amendment. so if he is on the ballot, i think it would be fair to america to have a jury determine whether or not he has violated all of the laws he's charged with violating. >> jill wine-banks, there are so much more we want to discuss with you. thank you so much for being here tonight, i really appreciate it. >> thank you. >> up next, as you've probably noticed, not all latino voters are the same. how donald trump and univision are trying to appeal to the more conservative latinos. and later, trump heads to the border, after renewing his tough talk on immigration policies -- that would certainly trump what he did in his first term. he did in his first term your heart is the beat of life. if you have heart failure, entrust your heart to entresto, a medicine specifically designed for heart failure. entresto is the #1 heart failure brand prescribed by cardiologists. it was proven superior at helping people stay alive and out of the hospital. heart failure can change the structure of your heart, so it may not work as well. entresto helps improve your heart's ability to pump blood to the body. and with a healthier heart, you can keep on doing what you love. don't take entresto if pregnant; it can cause harm or death to an unborn baby. don't take entresto with an ace inhibitor or aliskiren, or if you've had angioedema with an ace or arb. the most serious side effects are angioedema, low blood pressure, kidney problems, or high blood potassium. ask your doctor about entresto for heart failure. entrust you heart to entresto. diabetes can serve up a lot of questions, like, "what is your glucose?" and "can you have more carbs?" before you decide... with the freestyle libre 2 system know your glucose level and where it's headed. no fingersticks needed. manage your diabetes with more confidence. and lower your a1c. the number one doctor prescribed cgm. freestyle libre 2. try it for free at freestylelibre.us >> -- spanish language -- is facing backlash over its recent softball interview with donald trump. dozens of latino advocacy group sent a letter of protest to the networks executives. members of a congressional hispanic caucus are pr