msnbc road headquarters here in new york. welcome everyone to alex witt reports. re beginning with breaking ne. a colorado judge ruling that donald trump can be on the ballot when saying he engaged in an insurrection. he gave him both a rebuke as well aslegavictory. the wording of section three of the 14th amendment does not apply specifically to the office of the president. joining me now, christie greenberg former federal prosecutor former deputy chief for the southern district of new york criminal division. let's get into this, chris. the insurrection is certainly a key part of the 14th amendment that would keep trump off of the ballot. are you surprised by this ruling? >> mainly, the judge concluded that trump engaged in an insurrection through incitement. take a moment to pause on that. saying, there is a judge saying that former president trump engaged in an insurrection. that is a momentous holding. he gets off on a technicality here because the judge also found that he wasn't an officer of the united states that could be disqualified under the amendment. it is absurd. the president is the highest officer in the land. he is not only a civil officer, he is a military officer. he is the commander in chief of our military. to find that he is not an officer of the united states is perverse. you have other individuals, members of congress and state officials who fall under this amendment who could be disqualified if they engaged in the same conduct. to think that we -- the 14th amendment meant to exempt a president who would cause the greatest danger to the united states with this kind of conduct to really just go after lower level officials doesn't make a whole lot of sense. >> again, the judge said that he engaged in insurrection how is this going to play in other places going forward? >> it seems like it is team this all up for the supreme court. it is being heard in other states, as well. if another state makes a similar finding that he engaged in insurrection. but also finds the different ruling that he also is a officer of the court and they do qualify of section three of the 14th amendment to be disqualified. then you have a clash of states. it will go to different states supreme courts and, ultimately, to the u.s. supreme court where given the can conservative majority i cannot imagine a result where this would rule to keep former president donald trump off the ballot. >> look, we have this judge not holding back it all describing trump's behavior has a history of, quote, extremism and endorsing political violence. she rejected his free speech. can you talk about the impact of this? >> i think that there is a potentially huge impact here. to say that, yes, even though he is not physically there storming the. chief specifically said he was the factual cause which, again, anyone who watched events and told him that day and heard his words knows to be true. free speech has limits and we did just that he basically had it both ways. she laid the foundation for disqualifying the former president. gave him a fig leaf of victory. set things up so a reasonable appellate court would have to say we agree with her that he was guilty of an insurrection against the constitution. that he won way beyond free speech because they intentionally incited violence. we disagree with her. we almost disagree with herself when it comes to this weird holding that it was just the presidency after all. . >> in some weird holding that it is just the presidency, after. all it does this mean an appeal is going to happen? >> without question i believe there is already been indication that an appeal is being filed. the interesting thing about this the factual basis for the insurrection is more difficult to overturn on appeal the issue of whether or not the president isn't officer of a court, that is more of a legal interpretation. that is squarely teed out for an appellate judge to disagree with and i think they should disagree with it does not say president as it member of congress. again, officer of the united states. if a president doesn't qualify as an officer but every other lower level official denies gaetz does, it would be a very perverse result. it really would not make sense. >> let's take a peek at some of the other trump legal cases right now. that trump judge denying the attempts to strike references to january six and the violence therein from their d.c. criminal and by. arguing that references to th d.c. indictment are inflammatory and irrelevant. but judge chutkan ruled regardless of whether they are relevant, trump has not clearly shown that they are prejudicial. she said that she would not be running a copy of the indictment. jurors how do you -- what role do you think january six will play in this case? >> i think it is going to play significant role in the case. there is a whole section of the indictment which, again, is not being shown to jurors. i expect jack smith will be presenting, to the jury, evidence of donald trump's words that day. all of that gets to what was his intent? his intent having that violence that day, having that disruption in the chaos that led to the rioting was really to stop the count. to make sure that he could remain president. if this means he took everything to achieve that result directly relevant to jack smith's proof. i think the judge got it right here. making sure that the special counsel's office was able to present that office. it shows the links that donald trump was able to go -- overturning the results of a democratic election. >> something we've all been learning about in the last double of ears. thank you so much, christine reiber. more explosive revelations on donald trump, his legal troubles, and some candid admissions that he made himself. jonathan carl can join me in just a few minutes to discuss his new book, tyrant of winning. back to some breaking news on capitol hill. y s security video released by speaker mike johnson is now online. 90 hours of footage was posted last night of the more than 40,000 hours expected. let's go to the nbc's julie tsirkin who is on the hill for. especially, walk. and what are republicans hoping to accomplish by releasing these videos and how are democrats responding? >> house speaker kevin mccarthy had promised to do this before he was ousted. last we worry he granted access to most of these 40,000 hours of security footage from the capitol on january six to fox news. there was a lot of outrage not only for members of the media, ours included, but members of the public that this was only granted to this one media organization it was not granted further access to the public. now you have a new house speaker, a couple weeks to their tenure dropping this security grant. they are now making this public on a friday. heading into thanksgiving weekend. you can imagine that this is not something republicans want to keep talking about and keep it the forefront. for speaker johnson's part they put t a statement yesterday. they said, quote, truth and transparency are itic. today we will begin immediately posting video on the public website and move as quickly as possible to move to the bsite -- she notes, this is interesting, in the meantime the public viewom will ensure that every citizen can view every minute of the videos uncensored. that will start on monday. members of the public in person can request the in-person appointment to see some of that footage. democrats he brought it up at the top they are not happy about this. we have heard from the top democrat on the committee tasked with safeguarding this footage he said that this would lead to security concerns called a, quote, dangerous and even misleading. that this footage is all being released now. we heard from democrats who serve on the january six committee. even republicans who criticize and we were saying that this could put capital police in different secure public locations in the filling in jeopardy. the footage is out johnson made this promise and now the public will begin seeing. at >> what is doing it is giving you a blueprint to capitol hill, right? all the halls of congress. if you want to have some nefarious intentions. julie, thank you for that. breaking news in the israel-hamas war. chaos at the war torn al-shifa hospital in northern gaza. a mass evacuation unfolds. hundreds of patients and medical staff have fled today. there are conflicting reports about who is, exactly, behind this exit is. israel says, not. them claiming they agreed to any evacuation efforts. meanwhile, israel warns it will expand its ground offensive beyond northern gaza. according to gaza's media office. the death toll now stands at more than 12,000 in tel aviv -- we spoke with survivors. tell us about that a and also what is going on until she fell. -- forces are moving into several hospitals across gathering. our al-shifa continues to be the focus the staff patients civilians sheltering there leaving in droves. doctors have said they were ordered to leave facilities by israeli soldiers the idf is disputing that claim they have provided evidence that they found a mission, tunnels, inside the hospital. what they have not found and what israeli in american intelligence has said is in al-shifa as a commanding control center. the idf says work to find that location is continuing, may take some time. we talked about a visit to one of the cabooses. it was just a few hundred yards away from the border with gaza. we along with other journalists were allowed inside. when we were allowed, we were so close that we heard firefights and automatic weapons fire. we heard a lot of the mortars going out. i can tell you that there was a community hit hard. 20 people were lost. it is a place -- one place i was known for the freedom of, on the peace wall, that they had between two areas. it is the one kibbutz where some of the tariffs flew in on motorized paraglider. we talk to one of the survivors there who said they will not let this attack to find their community. >> >> this did not change. me i'm the same person. i'm working hard not to change. i still believe in the values i had before. we believe more strongly that we need to be who we are that is telling of what they are we are not hamas we are not turning into hamas. the only people who can choose not to be hamas is hamas. but i'm not turning into them. obviously, the only solution for the war is peace. it just that you needs -- you need to say eventually we would want peace. we need to make sure that the people on the other side will not need to slaughter us what we are working for peace. >> as you would expect. there's a lot of pain in that community, the emotions still very ragged, alex. >> absolutely. jay, thank you for that. later on, we're gonna take you to the unexpected place where, right now in fact, diplomats in scholars or trying to put an end to the nightmare in the middle east. in the meantime, they are stunning and even if you've seen them, you're gonna want to watch them again. the impact of trump's former attorneys giving up the goods in his georgia case. we'll be back in a quick 60 seconds. auick 6 seconds. jen x. jen y. and jen z. each planning their future through the chase mobile app. jen x is planning a summer in portugal with some help from j.p. morgan wealth plan. let's go whiskers. jen y is working with a banker to budget for her birthday. you only turn 30 once. and jen z? 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you think judge mcafee is going to agree? >> this is a fairly aggressive timeline. we also heard fulton county district attorney fani willis also say, this trial could stretch well into 2025. which makes it so fascinating what judge mcafee could do next. you mentioned, not only will this mean that donald trump could face trial in georgia, but after the rnc and right before the democratic national convention as well, but remember, georgia is the premiere battleground state. this is one of the few very competitive states on the white house map next year. this trial could be taking place in georgia in the home stretch of the election campaign. >> here's what this means, if the timeline is right, early 2025, it means that we're gonna very likely see donald trump in a courtroom during the final stretch of the 24 presidential campaign, and then after the election. is this because trump's delay efforts are working? ors it just that the wheels of justice turn slowly? >> i think a little of both. donald trump's litigation strategy has been, after this point, delay, delay, delay. it continues to be so. his attorneys say, pass oral arguments over this motion. we know that even when the trial is set, jury selection could take months. discovery is taken months. is likely to take months. and in prosecutors alone expect to call 150 witnesses, that's an extraordinary amount of witnesses, and evidence to go through. this trial -- as you mentioned, there's a potential that he is in the white house, when it culminates. >> so, also new this week, we had judge mcafee issuing a protective order, prohibiting the release of any sensitive evidence to defendants, and this was after the bombshell video interviews from four key witnesses relating to that and includes testimony by former trump legal advisor, jenna ellis. that may shed light on trump's plans to hang on to power. let's take a listen to this. >> i emphasize that i thought that the claims in the ability to challenge the election results was essentially over. >> he said to me, in an excited tone, we don't care. we're not gonna leave. >> i said what do you mean? he said, well, the boss beating president trump and everybody understood the boss, that's what we all called him, he said the boss is not gonna leave under any circumstances. we're just gonna stay in power. i said, him, well it doesn't work that way? he said, we don't care. >> absolutely stunning, judge mcafee is now barring such evidence from defense attorneys, but isn't the genie out of the bottle? how bad might this be for donald trump? >> yeah, well, also for fani willis as well, she doesn't did not disclose these videos. she does not want more evidence out. she worries it could not only taint the jury pool, it could also damage in intimidate witnesses. this shows you a sneak peek of what the trial could look like, be, it shows you why fani willis and prosecuting team went to great lengths to try to get jenna ellis and others to plead guilty to lesser charges, so they could be cooperating witnesses. she does not want any more of this potential evidence out. frankly, neither does judge mcafee, he worries that some of what is being released to the public could be inadmissible a trial. could do damage to potential jurors. >> okay, greg bluestein, always good to talk with you and help shed some light on these very convoluted issues. thank you. so, it's a tiny spot way up north where the chaos in the middle east is being examined and discussed. next, whether there are any signs to how and when this conflict might end. and a reminder, jonathan carl is gonna join me in two few minutes on his new book, tired of winning. ♪ ♪ we're building a better postal service. for more on-time deliveries. and easier, affordable ways to ship. so you can deliver even more holiday joy. the united states postal service. delivering for america. c'mon, we're right there. c'mon baby. the united states it's the only we need. go, go, go, go! ah! touchdown baby! -touchdown! are your neighbors watching the same game? 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what about these operations around the al-shifa hospital in northern gaza. he acknowledged how difficult it was, that hamas was operating among civilians. it was interesting to hear him say, they really would press on, and there does seem to be indication here from other officials, here that the biden administration has not yet demanded an end to the operation. they've appealed to the israeli government to try to curtail the effect on civilians and get more aid in their. but the white house has not demanded a halt to the operation at this point, they don't seem to be ready to do that. >> is there at all an overall sense there in finding an end to this war? could it happen sooner than later? we've heard benjamin netanyahu saying, it's gonna take a long time. they're prepared for that. >> i think that's a widely held view on all sides of this conflict. if anything, there is a concern that it could spread. that it could expand. the one thing that could change -- or the u.s.. there are democrats who are going the white house appealing for them to take a tougher stand with israel. and representatives from -- michigan was an msnbc, msnbc earlier today, she spoke about the responsibility israel has as it conducts its operations amongst civilians. here's what she had to say. >> a hospital is a very sensitive topic. if you're gonna go after it, the onus is on the democracy to prove that there was truly something significant, significant enough that would ever make that a viable target. and the united states went through this ourselves in places like afghanistan. with -- a hospital raid there. you know, i think that the difference here, you have a democracy going against a terrorist group. the democracy has different rules. they need to live up to those rules, just as we need to live up to those rules in 20 years of war. >> alex, that's a moderate democrat making that argument. it shows you the difficult political landscape right now for the white house and for israel. >> one hunted percent. dan deluce, thank you so much, from nova scotia. we have this breaking news, the faa is investigating why a spacex rocket exploded after a critical test launch today. nbc's priscilla thompson who's near the launch site in south padre island, texas. this was a key milestone, priscilla. what can you tell us? >> yeah, it was a key milestone. spacex is hailing it as a success, the rocket did ultimately launch, i was here with the folks lined up along the water to watch it, the ground rumbled we saw it take off, it appears that everything went well. what we learned from the livestream that was going on was that about ten minutes into flight, there was an issue. they lost a signal, they described it as a rapid unscheduled disassembly. effectively, the rocket exploded about ten minutes into flight. i want to play for you that moment from the mission control team, when they lost signal and began to realize that something was not right here. take a listen. >> here in hawthorne, at our webcast desk, we have lost the data from the second stage. we heard a call out that we were internal, guidance we are getting near the approximate six minute burn of starship. but we haven't gotten any more data since then. so, we think we may have lost the second stage. >> as i mentioned, spacex is saying this is a success, because the lab rocket did ultimately get further than it did during the first launch back in april, where, again, it launched. the pieces did not separate. the faa investigated then, and recommended some 63 changes to be made, and we expect similar changes to come as a result of this. alex? >> as they say, step-by-step. all right, priscilla, thank you so much. jonathan carl joins me next, to talk about his new book in a stunning admission made to him by former president trump. p. was not letting me run the show. so, we switched to verizon business internet. they have business grade internet, nationwide. 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(vo) make the switch. it's your business. it's your verizon. c'mon, we're right there. c'mon baby. it's the only we need. go, go, go, go! ah! touchdown baby! -touchdown! are your neighbors watching the same game? yeah, my 5g home internet delays the game a bit. but you get used to it. try these. they're noise cancelling earmuffs. i stole them from an airport. it's always something with you, man. great! solid! -greek salad? exactly! don't delay the game with verizon or t-mobile 5g surrection basedl home internet. catch it on the xfinity 10g network. ungenerous. exceptd, we will be filing an appeal to thred today is not the end of this the way.ut another step a in court documents released on friday districtjue sarah wallace said the wording of sectio three of the 14th amendment applies specifically to the office of president of the united states. we have some new revelations and confirmation with donald trump saying he butted heads with the secret service on january six over his desire to join spoers on capitol hill after his stop the steal rally. it is captured in audio for a new book, tired of winning. donald trump in the end of the grand old party. take a liste >> you told tu are gonna go up to the capitol. >> i w going to. this years over sd u can't. i would have. when i g back -- i wanted to go back. i was thinking of going back to stop the problem, doing it myself. the secrvice didn't like that idea too much. i could've end the. i would've been very well received. don't f the people that went to washingt tt day, if my opinion, they went because they thought the election was rigged. that is why they went so the author and abc news correspondent jonathan carl joins me now for -- so happy to have you now. heck of a. book really great to talk to you now i get what donald trump just said but we had the breaking news. the fact that donald trump said he engaged in insurrection on january 6th and yet he is the president of the united states so he is not forced to conform that which is written in the constitution. >> it is a remarkable statement when you consider he was the president not only that for the republican nomination. i have to say, i have been following these cases. this whole theory which of course was first put forward by from very conservative legal scholars. trump could be considered ineligible for being president because of his part in the, quote, insurrection. if he were disqualified, if he were left off of the ballot in enough states to make it impossible for him to win, and then he ultimately loses as a result of that, the and of the conspiracies from his supporters, it would never end. i just think it is so much cleaner for the country to have an election where people can actually vote and make the choice and not have someone kept off the ballot because of, you know, like you said, it is a very strong ruling by judge who is saying, is also saying, look, the constitution is not perfectly clear on this point. >> reporter: i'm glad that you waited on that. way, and also, on what donald trump told. it was a pretty stunning admission, right? did you get a clear sense of what you think his intentions were on january six? >> i have to tell you, this is a conversation i had with him not after he left the white house. march of 2021. when he said that i frankly did not believe him that he really wanted to go to the capitol. he said it in his speech on january 6th. i said, oh come on. he really put himself in danger, go out there. he was like, we are gonna go to the capitol. i'm gonna be there with you. he didn't go and i assumed it was because he never intended to go. i've sat there as we all did me listen to cassidy hutchinson testified before the january six committee. the very vivid description of how trump was angry with his secret service, in the beast. all of that. and there are different accounts just how closely was. he had no dispute that he was angry, that he wanted to go, the secret service would not allow him to go. i didn't give it that much significant that first. it was only an after cassidy hutchinson testified. a part of that that i think is the most significant is he says if he went to the capitol, during the problem, let's remember what the problem was, it is his supporters breaking into the building, assaulting police officers, all of that. if he went there during the problem he would've been very well received, i can tell you that. it is an acknowledgment from trump that those were his people, obvious to all of us at the time but something that has been denied subsequently. it is any knowledge meant from trump that he had power over those people. that he could've called them off. which, of course, he did not do for more than two hours as we all saw the assault unfold. >> over the last few it's been prettystring the level have been using. donald tru it hasen sry, to many, ierpret it. it taking a dark and violent turn. theverm remark. being compared to not see propaganda rhetoric. how are you interpreting the language as we move towards 2024 as he is on the campaign trail? >> i write in the book that his this is a phrase used by steve bannon, conversations ahead of steve bannon to describe the theme and the basis of this campaign. calm retribution. we are gonna go after our enemies and we are going to completely annihilate them. we are going to destroy them. the deep state, he used some language, he did not use the word vermin but he essentially said the same thing in two very key speeches. a speech at cpac in the spring and a speech at waco texas which was the first campaign rally of his 2024 campaign. everything was there except for that vermin line. this is very consistent. it is why trump, the second time around, a big reason why i wrote this book, i want people to understand this. trump, the second time around, is not the same as trump to first time around. there are consistencies but this is a campaign that is based almost entirely on vengeance and rooting out opposition. calm retribution, as i write in the book, is a phrase that bannon used. a phrase used by the secret service, being confederate secret service, to describe the secret plot to kidnap and assassinate abraham lincoln. then it was explicit with me about that. that is why he used the phrase. i'm not endorsing the confederacy but this is about retribution. the confederacy wanted retribution. all of the misery in that the north and brought up on the south. south. it's amazing to be using confederate, echoes of the confederacy as a campaign theme. that's what this is about. the vermin line did not surprise me at all. >> so, when it comes to donald trump you've known him for a long time. you've written a couple books on him. the fact is, people seem to be reluctant to take him at his word. yet, he's describing himself, he's describing what he's going to do. why do you think that is? he's telling us what he's all about. it doesn't seem to be believed. >> donald trump says a lot of things that aren't true, obviously. you know, the facts aren't something that seemed to be particularly important to him. but he's abundantly transparent on certain things. the most transparent president we've ever had. in some ways, in the most transparent i think major political figure. he tells you exactly what he wants to do. and when people around him trying to soften the message, because i think it it'll be too much of a backlash, he goes right out of it. i'll give you just one example, veterans day. go back and look, zero attention it was a very blunt statement. the trump campaign did put out a statement under trump's name on veterans day that had no negativity whatsoever, just a tribute to the brave men and women who served our country. and an appeal to we honor their service. it was later that day that he went up to new hampshire and give that speech about vermin. and about how a real enemies are the most serious enemies now our domestic enemies. talking about people that he sees as his own enemies. so, he's very clear, he wants to go in and, january 6th was the end of the last trump trump presidency, if there is another trump term, i think that's the starting point. he will not be restrained in doing what he says he wants to do, which is to utterly root out of the federal government anybody that would be an opposition to him. >> this is something that, there is a lot of time, they've been planning for this for quite some time. which means they'll have a different type of entry into the white house, the school around than they did when was just total chaos. after the first election. how frightening is that, with the people he would surround himself, they've been planning this. they know what they want to do this time. >> yeah, what the trump campaign will tell you, the various groups that are associated with him that are making plans the so-called project 2025, which is setting out a list of policies to be done in personnel that could be populated a trump administration. they say that's not part of the trump campaign, they're doing their own thing, certainly will look at, we appreciate their efforts. i don't know how strategic overall trump will be about any of the stuff. i don't think policy is much of what motivates him at all going into this. there are certain broad brushstrokes, immigration, tariffs, and whatnot. it's really about personal vengeance. people that have gone after him. not just the prosecutors. the fellow republicans that he feels have crossed him. >> let me take a look quickly at what the economist in its new guide the coming year declares, i'm gonna have my director put up full screen, everyoneead it for themselves. donald trump poses the biggest ng to the world in 2024. it says he would be unbound in his pursuit of retribution and econ protectionism, adding the prospect of a second trump term fills the world, it's parliaments and boardrooms with despair. >> yeah, i mean, all let others make that judgment. i think that, again, why i wrote this, there's been so little focus until really the last week or so, there's been so little focus on what trump would do in a second term. that's what the economist is getting out there, i think people need to examine this you need to look at, again, what he's saying. this is not simply a return to republican policies and the regulations in tax cuts. no. this is something different. that stuff, frankly, doesn't interest trump much at all. he is telling his people that, if you come after me, i'm going after you. he is saying, they're attacking me, by they he means basically not just the prosecutors that are prosecuting me in these multiple criminal cases, but republicans who have stood up to him. they're coming after me because the real target is you. and i'm standing in the way. i mean, i don't think this is a message that resonates throughout the republican. >> as what ask, you who's buying this? >> you think about the cases, who among his supporters has taken classified documents from the white house? and obstructed subpoenas? who among his supporters has paid $130,000 to a porn star to silence or. who among his supporters pressured local political leaders in the states to overturn the election. no, i mean, but, it's given him a message. and it's why i think you're gonna see very little difference between what is said around his criminal cases and what is said on the campaign trail. >> stay right where you are. we're gonna talk a little bit more about trump spokesperson and let's just say somewhat juvenile response in your book. we're gonna get to all that. it's a rather strange contradiction, we're gonna explain, that also for all of you this hour, the whiplash caused by president biden's visit with xi jinping, and what does this picture have to do with it? the virus that causes shingles is sleeping... in 99% of people over 50. and it could strike at any time. think you're not at risk? 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i'm not gonna talk to you because you do to voted for joe biden. >> the last conversation he hung up on her because she voted for biden. in the statement where he attacked me said if i did anything for pardons and clemency our do it for kanye, enough for cam. it's interesting that cohen is out there praising adolf hitler. >> that is a whole other conversation! >> at least he didn't vote for joe biden. >> well, there is that. it is such a good book! i'm gonna give it to you so you can sign my copy. here's my copy. i have my own. anyway, jonathan carl. thank you so much. it will get to the top of him really out there, for sure. >> thank you. i hope that people read it. i think it is important that people know what they are voting for. >> absolutely, one hunted percent. we need it right now. tired of winning is the book. for all of you, the historic meeting this week being described as an arranged marriage where a couple falls in love. fall in love. introducing j.p. morgan personal advisors. hey david. connect with an advisor to create your personalized plan. let's find the right investments for your goals okay, great. j.p. morgan wealth management. the subway series? 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