leader xi jinping, that was held in woodside california about 35 miles south of san francisco, marking the first meeting in just over a year. she something was quoted through a translator as telling president biden, it is not an option for either country to turn its back on the other. they also said there is room enough to coexist and to both be successful, and that one country success is an opportunity for the other. president biden said he secured agreemen o three major issues, including an effort to reduce the direct shipment of fentanyl in all forms from china to the united states. president biden importantly also annoced two militaries will resume direct contact and communication, and both nations will coordinate on risk and safety issues surrounding artificial intelligence. after the meeting, the president spoke about the progress and about managing the relationship with china. >> these are tangible steps in the right direction to determine what's useful and what's not useful, what's dangerous and what's acceptable. in the united states, will continue to compete vigorously with the prc. but will manage that competition responsibly so it doesn't veer into conflict or accidental conflict. and where it's possible, where our interests are, coincide, we're going to work together like we did on fentanyl. that's what the world expects of us. the rest of the world expects of us, not just people in china and the united states, but the rest of the world expect that of us. and that's what the united states is going to be doing. >> so richard, let's go big picture first. just sort of the optics of two men taking that walk through the garden and the deliverables on the other hand, which is the military communications, with the admiral can speak to in a moment as well. how important was this meeting? how important was even just the statement from president xi jinping that the world is wide enough, in effect, for both of us to succeed. >> all things being equal, it's a good day. it's not sexy, it's day-to-day diplomacy. the world you used is exactly the right word. things are not solved. these so-called deliverables or agreements, we'll see if there are implemented. a lot of life is about implementation, whether anything changes with fentanyl. if and when there is a crisis, the military to military channels. or whether there's any change on climate. >> we can go through the list. >> but the fact that they're meeting, high level, they get a better sense of each other. come away with a slightly better feel. i think that's healthy. is it a turning point, is a transformational, no? but is that all things being equal? is it being positive? is this constructive? the answer is absolutely. >> admiral, considering how bad relations have gotten, and considering the fact that we could not get chinese military leaders on the phone, considering everything that was going on, and i will say, the fear of a war in the middle east, the fear of a regional war in rear up. the fear of china using that chaos and a stretch to united states military to go into taiwan, all great fears. and this quote. you and i have spoken about this before, and she jinping has echoed what a lot of foreign policy people have said when he said turning our backs on each other is not an option. and i realize i'm a nerd, but that is a sexy video right there. i want the leaders of the two most powerful nations who have been at odds, whose military have not been in communication of last year or so, doing this. it is a starting point. but i understand that's all it is, but at least we're at the starting point of rebuilding this relationship. >> yeah, 100 percent. and you know, so much of life, joe, is compared to what? and compared to a year ago, when visits of cabinet officials were being canceled when spy balloons were circling in the united states, when ships and planes were bumping in the night, this is a much, much better day. and by the way, i wouldn't understate particularly one of the deliverables. this military to military contact. >> it's critical. >> what really ought to worry us is the idea of a miscalculation. either around taiwan, or in the south china sea, which china claims in its entirety as a territorial body of water. so you worry not so much about tony blinken and lloyd austin and joe biden and their counterparts. you worry about goose and maverick flying around in those jets up there. and i'll close with this. i think too much has been made of the dictator comment. sort of saying that he's a dictator is like saying that -- i am a short guy. i am. it's a reality. >> i would say he is a learned, learned respected voice and giant of a man in foreign policy. but go ahead. >> maybe i have picked up a few things along the route of live, but i am a short guy, and so at the end of it all, i think i'm with richard. it's a good days work. i think it's probably a quite positive, if not a turning point, final thought, i think there's a little bit of chemistry going on there. and that's okay. you think back to rescue vague and reagan and gorbachev, and how that turnout? eventually, we stop of the cold war. could we look back at this moment? i don't know. let's hope so. >> three words stuck out to me yesterday when she jinping called joe biden my old friend. you look at what's happening in israel the. and biden may have to move another one of his old friends off the stage, work with israelis. but you know, i've said this for quite some time. i'm so sick and tired of people talking about we want an outsider to run the most important country in the world and the most complicated governmental bureaucracy. we want rock. we want trump. we want these people who, again, have no idea. no, if i'm getting brain surgery, i don't want a guy who's good inaction movies. i watch a guy who is the best brain surgeon and who's done it 1000 times. and this is where we see his foreign policy. there's so many flash points that are happening right now. and thank god joe biden is in there. i've been saying that, thank god he's in there. we saw when trump left, nato was about to be blown apart. it stronger now than it's ever been. we have what? 600 miles along the russian border. it's extraordinary the transformation. and all that is is working relationships, using u.s. power, leveraging it for good. so again, experience. who would've ever thought it actually leads to good things? >> xi jinping, in particular, seven years old. he and biden have had a few spins at the wheel, and they have some experience. there's some shared experience there. i actually love that he was honest and said he's a dictator. i think it's good for him politically in america. the american people know he's a dictator. china is a politically contentious issue. there are very few foreign policy issues that actually matter to the electorate. but on both sides, there are americans who are infuriated by what they see as china taking advantage of us through trade. and so, i think at the same time that biden can have the relationships, we need to be talking. he needs to present to the american public that yes, he still going to be tough and he still needs to be in this reality. >> live to capitol hill where tensions erupted on tuesday. we'll explain what caused the chaos straight ahead on morning joe. like here. and here. not so much here. farxiga reduces the risk of kidney failure which can lead to dialysis. ♪far-xi-ga♪ farxiga can cause serious side effects, including ketoacidosis that may be fatal, dehydration, urinary tract or genital yeast infections, and low blood sugar. a rare, life-threatening bacterial infection in the skin of the perineum could occur. stop taking farxiga and call your doctor right away if you have symptoms of this infection, an allergic reaction, or ketoacidosis. when you have chronic kidney disease, it's time to ask your doctor for farxiga. because there are places you want to be. if you can't afford your medication, astrazeneca may be able to help. ♪far-xi-ga♪ [coughing] copd hasn't been pretty. it's tough to breathe and tough to keep wondering if this is as good as it gets. but trelegy has shown me that there's still beauty and breath to be had. because with three medicines in one inhaler, trelegy keeps my airways open and prevents future flare-ups. and with one dose a day, trelegy improves lung function so i can breathe more freely all day and night. trelegy won't replace a rescue inhaler for sudden breathing problems. tell your doctor if you have a heart condition or high blood pressure before taking it. do not take trelegy more than prescribed. trelegy may increase your risk of thrush, pneumonia, and osteoporosis. call your doctor if worsened breathing, chest pain, mouth or tongue swelling, problems urinating, vision changes, or eye pain occur. ♪ what a wonderful world ♪ ask your doctor about once-daily trelegy for copd because breathing should be beautiful. >> tensions among house students... students of any age, from anywhere. using our technology to power different ways of learning. so when minds grow, opportunities follow. ♪ republicans -- former speaker kevin mccarthy allegedly elbowed one of his colleagues, who voted to remove him from his position last month. and yeah, five years old? while being interviewed after conference meeting, tennessee republican tim burchett said he was hit from behind by mccarthy. >> come on. >> he initially apologized, thinking he had been in the wrong, but then chased mccarthy down the hall to confront him. npr congressional correspondent claudia greer solace captured audio of the altercation. take a listen >> sorry cab, didn't mean to elbow you in the back, kevin. hey kevin you got any guts? >> jerk. >> has he done it before >> no. >> that's a new move. >> kevin, why do you walk by me an elbow me in the back? >> i didn't. >> yoot ngods. you did so. the repoer said, it right there. what kind of chicken movies that? >> you are pathetic man, you are so pathetic. >> thank, you tim. >> npr's claudia grove joins us now. that would happen right in front of you. and they knew that you are in the middle of an interview, so you are rolling -- >> its kind of like work in the middle school cafeteria, except these are the people that lead our country. tell us about it. >> yeah, it was very stunning. this is a tradition tuesday morning in a nearby conference room in the basement area. and we often talk with members as they pull off to the side of this hallway. he had done the same. he had come to the side to talk to me. and as you heard there, he said one sentence to me before he was shoved. he lurched into may. we were about two feet of a party, he probably learned about a foot in front of me. and so, it was a very shocking moment. i look over, and i see it's mccarthy and it's detail. they are not stopping at all during that entire confrontation. mccarthy's looking back to respond to him and deny at, even chuckling at one point when he is saying you are a pathetic man. but it was just stunning what happened. i kept repeating over and over to him and others, i cannot believe i just saw that. >> so claudia, from your view, it was a little shot from the former speaker to purchase? >> he was shoved, and because he lurched into me, and also, it was clear to me, i thought, initially, it was a joke, but then a few seconds past before i realized, this was not a joke at all. >> as you said, mccarthy later on even denied given what he described as a shot to the kidneys. the tennessee republican though not backing down from his version of events. >> i did not run and hit the guy. i did not kidney punch him. i didn't do anything like that. >> i did not go up. if i would hit somebody, they would know i hit them. >> come on. i'll take a polygraph test and have kevin take your polygraph test. >> what did you say to him? >> i'm okay. it's no big deal. it's just a little different white people react in tennessee than the way they did in california. we do it face to face. i guess in california where he's from, you take a cheap shot at somebody from behind. we have $17 million in his security detail and- >> taking a broad ott southern california there. it's not the first time mccarthy's been accused of hitting a fellow republican. former illinois congressman am kinzinger said mccarthy did the same thing to him on a couple of separate occasions. john bresnahan i wish we had in front of us. you've been covering capitol hill for a long time. i think you said this is one of if not the dumbest days you've ever witnessed. i thought congress can't get dumber, he wrote, and then today happened. >> yeah, ypres -- [laughter] >> sorry, we're just reading your next tweet, which is please god, let the stupid stop. >> we had the senator markwayne mullin challenging the witness to a fight ahead of the -- we had jim comer chairman of the oversight committee calling jared moskowitz, the democrat from california, calling him a liar and a smurf. i mean, yesterday was just a hurricane of stupid. you know, look, i think part of it is that the house has been in session for ten straight weeks. joe knows this. members, they get restless. they don't like being around each other that much. >> no, no, no, no. no excuses. no excuse for physical violence, i mean, come on. >> no, i'm not excusing it. i'm saying that weird things happen. but i also think that, look, i think there is a couple broader issues here. first, it's a core sitting of american politics. there's no question about it. the donald trump era, you have trump going out and say what he's done and everything. and we can't take this. we can't just dismiss this and post january 6th. look, you have paul pelosi, his attacker is on trial right now. this is, you know, when people do these stupid incidents, you will know it. it blows up on social media and when the public sees it, they take it as reality. and that this is okay. the political violence is okay. and this is what happens when we get -- members are shot at mulls, poor steve scalise. stuff that you can't just start like this a little thing unexpected not to blow up into a big thing that the public. >> and you had donald trump a couple days ago mocking the paul pelosi, a guy's 80s, who almost got beaten to death. and donald trump is making jokes about it. we talked a couple of days ago about how you had a republican member of congress and beat up a reporter, beat up a reporter a few years ago for asking a question about health care reform. and what did donald trump to? he praised him for beating up a reporter. so of course, this follows, and you see it in the house, just think odd we have the house of lords. we have the upper chamber where people, you know what, it is the most exclusive clubs in the world. this doesn't happen in the -- >> hate to break your heart, but it happens there as well. a brawl nearly broke out on the other side of congress during the hearing of the senate health committee. these are our leaders. there, oklahoma republican markwayne mullin challenged one of the hearings witnesses. >> you wouldn't think a guy with three names would do this. >> the president of the teamsters union to a fight. >> sir, this is a time, this is a place. do you want to run your mouth, we can be two consenting adults and finish it here. >> that's fine, perfect. >> i love to do it right now. >> stand your butt up then. >> you stand your butt up. >> stop it! >> no, no, sit down. >> no, you are in the united states senator. sit down. >> i'd love to. >> it's funny how your back down now. >> i don't back down on anything. >> you are the one, you should be the most influential people in this country, making changes. you are focused on -- your end embarrassment. you are an embarrassment. you are an embarrassment to the state. >> this hearing is -- >> you know, i understand mullin was a former mma farther. but really, i'm leaving the teamster alone. i'm letting him be. sean and all of shawn's irish brothers, i'm not getting close to him. he looks like he can handle himself quite well. >> what is going on? >> your waiting for it's like the anchorman scene where they come out with the more preposterous groups that want to join the fight. you get the house, you get the senate, you get another one. there is a little back story here, as you mentioned, these two guys have been going at it on social media, i, guess since back in june. mullin first challenge the teamsters presidento fight, and that was in response to a tweet where the union boss who referred to mullin as a clown and a fraud as they went back and forth. and now for the first time, they saw each other face to face and decided, let's do it now. that's sean o'brien, pride of men massachusetts. on the other side of that confrontation. yeah, this was, as you, say this worked up on social media. we saw the senate there start to pull off his rains because he was gonna throw down. but it can't be said, it can't be said enough. credit to bernie sanders, who immediately said, called him out, you're in united states, amateur were better than this, called into recess. it eventually cooled down, except it didn't, because the senator later went on a television interview last night suggesting he's happy to throw out at anytime. not at all that he would back away from a physical confrontation. his defense senator mullin said in that interview, back in the 1850s, you would cain each other of you disagree, you would just beat each other up. we need to go back to senator sumter in 1856. >> fyi, he says markwayne is one name. >> it's like ricky bob these two names, but it's really two names that are to first names. in marc lane, you know, that senator, he's got three names. you expect if you have three names, you are more dignified. i'm sure she is. >> such elegances here we are. >> there are a lot of fights breaking out here. and again, this is seen by americans, right? thank god nobody brought a trident to the fight, but this is seen by americans. these are the people who are supposed to be leading us and, again, it's governing by gesture. the wall street journal, what was there they talk about the drama. october exhibitionism. that exhibitionism has gone into november now, and it's just pathetic. >> have you noticed, micah, that it was all men involved in all those little altercations? i'm just putting it out there. what i loved was kevin mccarthy saying, oh, well if i hit somebody, they know about it. that's his defense of what he did? that actually, i'm much tougher than that and i get into fights all the time, and when i do, people really know that i throw them on the ground, as if that's been to be some kind of mitigating factor. we know it's embarrassing. it's a -- bernie sanders, thank god. but he's from the old school of how things are done. the worry is that there is the old school of how things are done, and bernie sanders saying euro united states senator, behave better than that. that is a new school with the language of the last few years in american politics has become more violent. we hear people talking about civil war. we hear the former president sane at rallies people should be punished. he would like to punch them if they heckled him or something out a rally in 2016. so it's the into the ether, becomes normalized. people get a bit you waited to that kind of language. and it leads to the kinds of scenes we saw yesterday. pathetic >> still ahead on morning joe, donald trump is making a clear that a second term as president would focus on getting revenge on his critics. meanwhile, his grip on the republican party continues to result in election losses for the gop. we'll discuss all of that and more with bestselling author jonathan carl. we'll be right back. ight back. jen x. jen y. and jen z. each planning their future through the chase mobile app. jen x is planning a summer in portugal with some help from j.p. morgan wealth plan. let's go whiskers. jen y is working with a banker to budget for her birthday. you only turn 30 once. and jen z? 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despite what happens to anybody comes into contact with him. whether it's his calls to storm the capital, sitting in a jail somewhere, or whether it's rudy giuliani, who is now bankrupt and facing a potential for prison. and still yet, we're talking about this morning, yesterday, the vermin comment over the weekend. you cannot get a republican on the record to criticize donald trump. how do you explain it? >> they made a calculation. and i talk in the book about two, i think, very critical moments in all of this for the republican party. they face the choice, and they took the path of trump. the first most famously, of course, was when kevin mccarthy went to mar-a-lago eight days after trump left in disgrace. we all know about that. the other one is when rana mcdaniel faced a threat from donald trump. on january 20th of 2021, the day he leaves office, i'm leaving the party, i'm going to start my own party, and mcdaniel begs him not to go. you're gonna hurt the people who helped you the most. you won't win. we won't win. will all lose. and he, it doesn't matter, we deserve to lose because you can find enough hard for. may -- they threaten him. he's gonna have legal fees. he's gonna lose his ability to raise money. and he backs down. so what would happen if kevin mccarthy had said, you know what? he's done. we're going in an entirely different direction. and what if rhonda mcdaniel had said, go ahead, start your own party. he was at an absolute low point, but they felt that if he went, he would take his voters with him. and even if it was not the majority of the pub republican party, which at that point may lead was, they would not when -- they're really focused on the next election, which was the midterms. and look, kevin mccarthy wanted to become speaker, and become speaker. rhonda mcdaniel wanted to remain the rnc chair, and she remained the rnc chair. to what end? last i checked, kevin mccarthy is not so speaker of the house. >> so now we are but a year from the next election. donald trump stands a real chance of winning, and there's been reporting recently about what a second trump term would look like. and you've got that in your book as well. very timely. so give us a sense as to what they plan to do and how they almost telegraph it by the side of their first campaign rally this time around waco texas. >> look, he had his first rally in waco, which had almost at the 30th anniversary as the -- cult that had a showdown with the bureau of alcohol and firearms. federal marshals, fbi, that inferno that killed more than 50 people. one of the real tragedies in recent american history. and it became a rallying cry for the militia. and we wrote a book or of these right-wing militias, after one of the militia members, timothy mcvay, bombed oklahoma city. the deadliest domestic terror attack in america at the time. ghislaine hundred 68 people in oklahoma city. and he goes to waco texas to hold the first rally, and i called ben, and steve bannon, who was far more, people starting to figure out that bannon, once again, is an incredibly influential force on trump right now. i mean, i think maybe the intellectual heart of what trump's. if there is no light intellectual, heart it's been. and what do you mean, where the trump to vivian's? and it's embracing this idea of we will do anything to stand up against federal power. the federal government is really coming out to get us. the deep state, which by the way, they often mean republicans when they talk about that. i think that set the tone for what this campaign will be, which is a campaign of retribution. >> jon, there's so much in this book that it would require us to read chapter by chapter to get everything on air to have everything that you have through your reporting and writing. my question to you is, there is an anecdote in the book that i'd like you to explain. and it has to do with trump's lawyers coming to see jack smith, okay? after explaining that anecdote to the audience, based upon your reporting, and your relationship with people around trump as well as trump himself, do you think finally, at the end of the day, he's frightened? >> i think the short answer to that is yes, but let me first get to the anecdote. so as jack smith is already indicted trump for the documents, there is lots of speculation that an indictment on january six is coming. so the trump team asks for -- interview with jack smith. there you go down, there's a lot of secrecy surrounding the meeting. they come in early in the morning, come down to washington. it's john lauro, it's todd blanche. and they meet with jack smith and two of his fellow prosecutors. the meeting is -- i had some inside intel, blow by blow of what happened in this meeting. jackson it comes in. they meet in the conference room. he offers them water. invites them to sit down, and then he doesn't say anything. and for the next 60 minutes, john lauro gives this presentation as to why donald trump should not be prosecuted on charges related to january six. he goes into the first amendment argument. he says trump truly believed that he had won the election and was trying to good faith to do something about it. he goes through all of the arguments that they would later make, actually, in court briefings. jack smith takes notes, and then doesn't ask a single question, and then bid them farewell after the hour. what's interesting about the anecdote, by the way, is a few hours later, jack smith does slim down an indictment, but it's a superseding indictment on the documents that gets into the de oliveira and stuff in the tunnels and all the obstruction. the videotapes at mar-a-lago. so, he gives no hint that that's coming. and the january 6th indictment comes a little over a week later, and it anticipates all the arguments that they've just given him. it was a really interesting insight into how they operate. >> we'll be right back with much more morning joe: weekend. whenever you're hungry, there's a deal on the subway app. buy one footlong, get one 50% off in the subway app today. now that's a deal worth celebrating. man, what are you doing?! get it before it's gone on the subway app. ♪♪ hi, i'm todd. i'm a veteran of 23 years. i served three overseas tours. i love to give back to the community. i offer what i can when i can. i started noticing my memory was slipping. i saw a prevagen commercial and i did some research on it. i started taking prevagen about three years ago. i feel clearer in my thoughts, my memory has improved and generally just more on point. prevagen. at stores everywhere without a prescription. what causes a curve down there? 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digging in his heels over promotions that people need to move. there are hundreds of people waiting in the wings here, even after last week's elections, where we see voters signal their support for abortion rights, which is women's health care, by the way. >> you know, a mika, i think what he has determined is that it's good politics for him and helps him with his base, and i think he's right. he represents a deep red state. there's lots of anti abortion activists there. and frankly, i think even been a foil to president biden's agenda just makes him more popular with the maga base going into 2024 election. and when you think about the success that we had at the ballot box in 2022, even though the six ballot initiatives related to abortion were successful, he's not going to pay a person electoral prize, so he has nothing to lose aside from elevating his own space as a republican, right wing leader. think about the candidates who won last year, mike dewine, and desantis, and kim reynolds in iowa. and brian kemp in georgia. them being antiabortion candidates did not affect him electorally, and i think he's, you know, making this theater because it helps him with his base, and i think it's something that we have to watch very carefully, because going to continue to do it. >> he also has military bases in his state, so i'm not sure what he thinks he's doing to our military, but a lot of major figures in our defense foreign policy believes he is really impacting our military in a negative way, making it weaker. maggie, meanwhile, there are reports of women organizing to help protect reproductive freedom and women's health care. they're also dire stories of women who are scared to get pregnant or wondering where they should live to have stay fragment sees. what are you seeing on the organizing front? >> we are seeing a continuation of efforts that began, obviously, before last week and even well before the dobbs decision. on both the public and the private spheres. on the public policy front, i spoke with folks at planned parenthood, who said last week's results are wind in the sales of future bell initiatives that could enshrine abortion access in state constitutions. there are many of texans states that could be voting on the ballot measures next year, and while some of these proposals are coming from state legislatures, there are other cases like in florida and arizona where advocates still need signatures on petitions to get this issue on the ballot. and so what i've been hearing from sources is that the energy from last week's carrying through in terms of attention, signatures, and donation dollars for these initiatives. on the corporate and entrepreneurial front, which is where forbes spends most of its time, i talked to the women organizers of the vcs for repo and don't panic quality. these are two coalitions that are galvanizing support of the business community because they understand that employees, by a 2 to 1 margin, want to work in states where abortion is legal and accessible, so they're planning informational campaigns, educational campaigns, and entrepreneurial hubs in 2024 to further galvanize the sport of the business community. >> straight ahead, we'll speak to emulated actor david oh yellow about a new vinicius based on the true story about a trail blazing lawman of the old west. type 2 diabetes? 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>> well, it's everything you just said. how extraordinary this individual was, the fact that it's unthinkable that his story hasn't yet been told. and for me, i just think anytime there is a moment where we have denied, especially someone of this transcendent nature, their moment in the sun, that's always something i'm looking to correct with the form of my love, storytelling. >> i'll sharpton. tell us about how you dramatize it in the story, how he goes from somebody forced to fight for the confederacy, with the confederacy, to where he transitions into somebody that really stands up for justice in his own freedom? >> to me, that's really the transcended about being african american in this country. the fact that slavery was ahead as heinous a thing that could be done to a people. and yet, to go on, to not only fight for this country, be patriotic to this country, but for someone like bass reeves to serve this country and what he knew to be what is actually, truly just. because i've been owned, he had to fight. you could argue against what was beneficial to him and his community. and being given agency, having becoming a u.s. deputy u.s. marshal. he's now able to be in the driver seat of his own destiny in terms of actual dust justice, as opposed to force notion of justice, which i would argue, is not justice at all. >> david, i'm a big fan of yours and of taylor sheridan's. so i'm excited to watch this. what's been so incredible about what taylor stone is how he takes history and he really does it in a way that it draws the viewer in. and can you talk a bit about how the history really comes off the script and pops on screen through actors like you? 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>> i don't we -- i preach the choir on this zoom call, or you will know the terrible state that we're in. the faith in our institutions is the slowest it's ever been in the history of our nation. the culture is so dark and depraved that it almost seems irredeemable at this point. the church attendance in america dropped below 50% for the first time in our history since it began to measure the data. 60 years ago. and the number of people who do not believe in absolute truth is now above the majority for the first time, so one and three teen girls contemplated suicide last year. one in for high school students identify as something other than straight. we're losing the country. we >> are to begin there, joe. there's so much. americas irredeemable, it's dark and depraved. let's lift ourselves out of the subtext. he went on to say really what he's talking about here is that we have gay people in america. he said one in for high school students say that they are something other than straight, is the way he put it. so he's very worried about that. but also, i just have to say, joe, he said the faith in our institutions and doubt about absolute truth, this is the man who helped to lead the attempted coup against the united states government and overturn the 2020 election. he's very worried about faith and institutions. >> willie, he ran the big lie on capitol hill. oh -- right? and then go to your motel room and sort of facts in around conspiratorial documents. it is the hypocrisy we. there is so much hypocrisy to go back to, weather is jim and tammy faye baker, jimmy swaggered, there's so much hypocrisy to go to hear about a guy, again, trying to undermine our institutions. the guy who led in the house of representatives, the attempt to undermine the united states constitution, in american presidential election. and in attempt, basically, to end american democracy. and then, suddenly, suddenly this great profit, this jeremiah of our times, went quietly's island as mobs rushed the peoples house, where he was, and battered and abused police officers with american flags that our soldiers, say jurors, marine, took into battled over 200 years to defend this country. the hypocrisy. the hypocrisy, in the words of, i think it was homer simpson, when somebody accidentally threw communion water in his eyes, it burns, it burns. there's so much hypocrisy here. that's part one, part two is -- i have to go back to the question i asked yesterday, and i'm serious. why do republicans hate america so much? >> i am an evangelical. i believe whether people think it's crazy or not. i believe what the gospels say. i believe what the sermon on the mount says. i believe in jesus. we're all sinners, we're all fallen, right? but i'm very optimistic about america's future. because i see the gooden people. i see the good in this country. it's interesting, he's trying to dig statistics about, i don't know, drag green shows or something? what i see is that not so long ago, teenage pregnancy at an all-time low in america. that's something that we always heard about, you know, the southern baptist church growing up. child poverty over the past year, 50 60-year low. our economy doing well,. a lot of things going at the right direction. but i've got to say, if he's worried about pete hughes emptying out, talk to young people and so many will tell you, rachel morris talked about this with christianity today, they're emptying out because they don't want to go to a church where preachers worship donald trump instead of jesus christ. >> he represents the fullness of the emergence of the christian nationalism that sees america through a very different gospel than the one that the man they profess to follow, jesus, preached. in fact, as reported about a month or so ago, where you have now evangelicals thinking that we can't follow the teachings of jesus because they're too woke. jesus becomes woke for guys like him. >> and weak. and don junior and other people around trump said the whole thing about turning the other cheek, that's too weak. that doesn't work anymore. >> did they ban the bible in some districts in texas? >> yes, when you start bending the bible and things like that. when you start reimagining the teachings of christ in your image, or in the image of donald trump, you have a problem. the problem with the speaker from where i'm sitting, it harkens me back to the concerns that people had about catholics in this country for a long long time. getting them close to power, and their papers tendencies, it animates the government. what's this? what is this? i would say to the speaker, before you open your mouth, next time, could you go and read what the founder said about religion? number one, in this country, as there are four minute. but number two, go read their stories and understand what kind of been they were. they weren't the kind of christians that you think they were, that you make them out to be. many of them, they were deist's. somewhere atheists. and yet, they created this thing that you are now trying to reimagine in a way that even they tried very hard to avoid. and so, i think that to your point about the pews and the churches, the fact is, no one, whether you are 30 years old or 90 years old, want to hear that from a political leader. >> that's my next question for you. what percentage of americans does this appeal to? i mean, a large percentage of the republican party now? >> about a third. >> evangelicals. >> but it turns off -- e >> that's a problem. >> it turns off everybody else -- >> this is why they're influencing elections, because they're focused on their third of their party. they're 40% of their party, which makes up about 20% the electorate. and ron desantis ran a campaign based on the idea that a lot of americans were up in arms against a lot of things that the speaker's just been speaking about. and where is he even in the primary polls? falling like a stone. it doesn't work. nobody cares about it that much. they don't want it in there. that's such a smart point that people don't one -- it's not what america was founded. on >> can i just say because we need to pull back and say that you have this, this supercharged christian nationalism saying americas the next autumn and mora. and that the governments turned its back on god when the very guy who's done it has turned its back on the constitution, the truth, and god by leading the big lie. that's in the legislative branch. but we have to talk about the supreme court. i mean, leonard leaves an extremist, and he's an extremist in his views about the constitution. and the catholicism. his extreme view of catholicism that has put extremists on the court that has led to the overturning -- nobody talks about this enough, but you're talking about is happening in the house. this is the supreme court. it's every appointee catholic there on the republican side? i think one may have converted to becoming episcopalian, a waspy of his companion. but they're all catholics, they all have a view of abortion and other issues that have led them to overturn against all sort of public opinion polls. and i would say against pretty good, strong 50-year president, to overturn the right to abortion. >> this is the reimagine a shun of judicial constitutional principles in a religious way. and so, that's the connection that draws these individuals to this space. now is their hour, their time to these things -- >> is? it look at what's happened since roe v. wade in the last year. state after state has reaffirmed the right to abortion. and there's no less abortions now than there were before. so they had their moment, but, you know, the people have spoken, i would say. >> that's the ultimate -- >> still ahead on morning joe, your conversation with academy award winning filmmaker martin scorsese. on his new film, killers of the flower moon, which is getting rave reviews. blast national security council strategic communications spokesman john kirby on president biden and china's xi jinping's i stakes meeting. you're watching morning joe. we'll be right back. center stage—and is crushed by a baby grand piano. you're replacing me? 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it's a big step forward here because we have not been able to do that. we talk about air intercepts, sea intercepts that are close and dangerous. the chances of miscalculations, conflict coming out of it for the result of an accident or a mishap are too great. we will now be able to get our militaries at various levels up and down the chain of command to talk to one another, to try to explain ourselves to one another, and take those tensions down. >> so, the other issue among many was a.i.. what is the next step in terms of moving forward on these issues? holding accountability on both sides? the awkward issue of taiwan. >> thank you, on a.i., both leaders agreed that there is great promise but there's also potential peril here and artificial intelligence. what they both agreed to do was to create a team of teams, basically, connecting our two teams together to work on some solutions, to work on some policies, to work on ways where we can cooperate with the prc on the development of artificial intelligence so that there is more province in a whole lot less peril, less transparency and accountability across the board, not just through government but working with tech companies. on taiwan, the president said them himself at the press conference, he was direct and clear with president xi, we don't seek tensions. we do not seek conflict. we do not want to see the status quo in the taiwan strait change in a unilateral ray or by force. we want peace and stability. he made it clear that nothing has changed about our one china policy. we don't support independents for taiwan, but we obviously are in keeping with the taiwan relations act in the law, going to make sure we continue to provide taiwan with the self-defense capabilities they require. >> good morning, good to have you back on the show. of all the topics and things that came out of that meeting yesterday, but one that probably hits home for a lot of people watching, a lot of americans, it's something you mentioned a moment ago, it's fentanyl. there's obviously an epidemic in this country. there's not a community in this country that has not been touched in some tragically by that. can you explain about how fentanyl is getting from china to latin america? why president xi actually can play a big role in solving this crisis here in the united states? >> so, the basic chemical ingredients that go into making and producing fentanyl, many of them are actually created in china. these are precursor chemicals, that's what they're called. they are the building blocks, the foundations of fentanyl, which is a mix. it's something that has to be concocted in a lap. many of the labs exist in latin america. that is where the cartels are creating fentanyl as a drug. also the pill presses. the actual mechanical devices that form it into these things in pills. the pills can find themselves in other products and drugs. anyway, the manufacturing happens in latin america. the cartels run them north, right up to the border into the united states. what we are trying to, do if you think about a supply chain in that regard, we are trying to go to the left of that supply chain, as far left as we can go, getting at the chemical ingredients that make up fentanyl in china. president xi made it clear yesterday, he doesn't want to see another american die because of fentanyl. he recognizes that they can have a significant role to play here, to get at the left of that problem. he agreed, they are going to crack more on chemical ingredients, on their production and certainly the export out of the country. it will take some time, i, think before we start to see an immediate effect. but right now, there are already doing this and hopefully they will step up their efforts and start to see a much greater reduction of the flow -- the creation of fentanyl and the flow of it into the country. >> admiral, good morning, i will share news with our viewers. you probably already, know president xi jinping after the summit announced that they would look to send more pandas to the united states. i want to ask you about president biden leaning, perhaps, on shaping paying to exert some influence on two countries which china has real influence, that is russia, battle with ukraine, and iran, the role they play in the middle east. can you tell us what was said? >> they certainly did talk about the war in ukraine and of course what is going on in the middle east. china has interests in europe and interest in the middle east as well. they also have conversations with nations that we can't half, or don't have. for instance, with a run. i won't go into the diplomacy here but we have to believe that china could be helpful. if they're willing to be helpful with, for instance, iran and making it clear to iran that iran should not escalate this conflict, should not try to take advantage of it, they should stop threatening our troops in iraq and syria. china and russia have been growing closer together in recent months, a worrisome burgeoning defense relationship between the two countries. that, said jonathan, we have not seen china move forward to provide any lethal capabilities to russia's army. they have not condemned the invasion, they are not implementing any sanctions on russia, they're not really holding putin accountable but they are -- not doing anything to help russian armed forces on the ground that we certainly don't want to see them do. there was a conversation in general about these two major conflicts in the world. the way the conflicts are affecting china, the way they affect the united states, the way they affect our network of allies and partners. >> up, next we speak with a filmmaker behind a new documentary that followed ukraine's president at the onset of the russian invasion. stay with us. t of the russian invasion. stay with us stay with us meet the traveling trio. the thrill seeker. the soul searcher. and - ahoy! it's the explorer! each helping to protect their money with chase. woah, a lost card isn't keeping this thrill seeker down. lost her card, not the vibe. the soul searcher, is finding his identity, and helping to protect it. hey! oh yeah, the explorer! she's looking to dive deeper... all while chase looks out for her. because these friends have chase. alerts that help check. tools that help protect. one bank that puts you in control. chase. make more of what's yours. family is just very important. she's my sister and, we depend on each other a lot. she's the rock of the family. she's the person who holds everything together. ♪♪ it's a battle, you know i'm going to be there. keytruda and chemotherapy meant treating my cancer with two different types of medicine. in a clinical trial, keytruda and chemotherapy was proven to help people live longer than chemotherapy alone. keytruda is used to treat more patients with advanced lung cancer than any other immunotherapy. keytruda may be used with certain chemotherapies as your first treatment if you have advanced nonsquamous, non-small cell lung cancer and you do not have an abnormal “egfr” or “alk” gene. keytruda can cause your immune system to attack healthy parts of your body during or after treatment. this may be severe and lead to death. see your doctor right away if you have cough, shortness of breath, chest pain, diarrhea, severe stomach pain, severe nausea or vomiting, headache, light sensitivity, eye problems, irregular heartbeat, extreme tiredness, constipation, dizziness or fainting, changes in appetite, thirst, or urine, confusion, memory problems, muscle pain or weakness, fever, rash, itching, or flushing. there may be other side effects. tell your doctor about all your medical conditions, including immune system problems, if you've had or plan to have an organ or stem cell transplant, received chest radiation, or have a nervous system problem. it feels good to be here for them. living longer is possible. it's tru. keytruda from merck. ask your doctor about keytruda. have heart failure with unresolved symptoms? 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>> i think we liked him, initially, we thought he was great. but i don't think anyone thought he had the result of that he has had. people forget that at the time, they were telling us that if russia tried to come into kyiv, kyiv would fall in 72 hours. that was not up for suggestion. that was understood fact. the fact that he has kept that from happening for two years, i think that says a lot about who he is. i think if we had another type of leader in office at that time, russia could very well have control of all of ukraine. >> aaron, you are back in ukraine now filming for a daniels foundation. here is some exclusive footage for that project that you shared with us. showing ukrainian soldiers rescuing two young children and their mother. >> [speaking in a global language] >> daniel, tell us, as you bring in -- i know the two of you are working together to get more footage in, but what are you hoping to do with not only the footage but the narratives and stories that aaron is gathering for you? is this part of making the case for ukraine? >> it's not just me, we have colonel vindman, [inaudible] to try to help make sure we are staying on focus to what is going on. while putin is -- people are turning their eyes to the situation in the middle east, they have tried already twice, more advances, they're testing the ukrainian military, there's concern that they're trying to undermine the infrastructure. again, for the winter, it's important to us not forget that these things are interconnected. eugene -- are pressing the people in iran. they're sending drones to russia to attack the people in ukraine. there are hundreds of thousands of people killed and over 20,000 confirmed cases, 20,000 confirmed cases of children that have been abducted, taken into russia and been reprogrammed to try to become russian. they are also trying to then attack their motherland. this is a crime against humanity, a war crime that the icc should -- >> also, daniel, members of hamas were hosted in moscow, not that long ago. >> still ahead, on morning joe, democratic senator, raphael warnock is our guest. we will talk to him about the big headlines from capitol hill. and, his bipartisan bill to make insulin more in portable. make insulin more in portable. what causes a curve down there? 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>> absolutely. we have the solution. i can tell you that i've seen a problem of diabetes, first of, all as a pastor. i can't tell many how many bedsides i stood to over the decades. i've seen the tragic complications that come with an manage diabetes, they amputations, the dialysis when the kidneys fail, the blindness, here's the thing. insulin was invented 100 years ago, the patent was sold for $1. what we have seen in recent years is big pharma taking advantage of the situation. when you need your insulin, you need insulin. that is why i am proud that in the inflation reduction act we passed my provision, which kept the cost of insulin for folks on medicare no more than $35 per month of out of pocket costs. we were trying to get, it i was trying to get it for both the insured and the uninsured as well, which is why i'm proud that earlier this year my republican partner, john kennedy, and i have introduced the latest version of this bill which will cap the cost of insulin for folks who have insurance and those who do not have insurance. yesterday we unveiled this report, which speaks about what we call insulin does hurts. these are places throughout our country, but especially in the south and southeast, where you see the tragic convergence of high rates of diabetes and high rates of uninsured people. the bill that we've have introduced addresses this problem. it is a problem we can solve for a fraction of the cost that we spend the united states just dealing with the hospitalizations from the complications related to diabetes. it is the right thing to do, it's the smart thing to do, and i'm hopeful that we will get it done this year. >> senator, insulin at $35 per prescription would be a lifesaving gift to millions of people in this country. my question to you as, why has it taken so long to get this done? what about the power of the pharmaceutical industry? are they that powerful? >> i think we saw in the last few months and over the last year, the impact that we can have on the private sector when we do our jobs here in the congress. we kept the cost of insulin using my provision of $35 per month out of pocket cost for folks on medicare. what we saw was that in the private sector, i think responding to the pressure, they began to put some caps in place on their own. we would be foolish to not recognize that those caps can be rescinded anytime, which is why i'm pushing forward this bill. it will ensure that insulin is affordable for everybody in america needs it. there is a reason why you see a bipartisan push to do this, because it makes sense. john kennedy, my republican partner with whom i do not agree on a whole range of concerns, has more diabetics in his state than i have in the state of georgia. there is a reason why you have seen half of the states have already kept insulin. we need to do it at the federal level. we need to ensure that people like lacey mcgee, a young graduate student that i have gotten to know who found herself while in graduate school having to meet up with people in facebook groups and parking lots to get borrowed insulin from friends whose relatives had died. that should not happen in the united states of america. the good news, even in these tragic times, is that this is a problem we can solve. we really ought to do it this year. >> democratic senator, raphael warnock of georgia, thank you very much for being on this morning. coming, up joe's conversation with oscar winning filmmaker, martin scorsese,. they discussed the directors new movie, killers of the flower moon. his tenth film with actor robert de niro. morning joe is coming right back. niro morning joe is coming righ back back ♪♪ remember the things you loved doing... before your asthma got in the way? 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>> can you find the wolves in this picture? >> acclaimed director, martin scorsese, the mastermind behind films like good fellas and the departed, comes his highly anticipated and highly praised killers of the flower moon. scorsese shines a spotlight on a dark and often overlooked chapter in american history, the reign of terror that engulfed members of the osage nation in the 1920s. through an improbable romance, unspeakable betrayal starring philly gladstone and robert de niro and leonardo dicaprio, killers of the flower moon -- sudden wealth after oil is discovered on their land. as wealth grew so did the sinister conspiracy resulting in suspicious murders that would later shock the nation. mallets bringing the legendary director himself, martin scorsese. martin, thank you for being with us. we greatly appreciate it. >> thank you. >> we have the opportunity to talk before you went to oklahoma, you are talking about this movie, you are going to make it, but when you got there, between covid and robert de niro's broken leg and a lot of other problems, this had to be a pretty incredible challenge for you to make this movie. and, yet it has just -- it has just turned out to be a masterpiece. talk about how rewarding this must be. >> obviously it really is. i, mean it has taken over six years to pull it together. granted, two of those years i was making the irishman, eric rothman i were working on the script simultaneously. all of this to see the result this way, to see people react to it this way is really a blessing. >> you said he wanted to stay as true to the osage history as possible, which meant actually learning their language. i just want our viewers to see a scene of malik hyatt, played by lily gladstone, just an extraordinary acting job by her. here, she has -- she's gossiping to her sisters over the handsome coyote, earnest burkhardt, played by leonardo dicaprio. let's take a look. >> [speaking in a global language] >> after seeing the movie i did not have to read articles telling me that you actually had osage actors in, there it was obvious watching that this was so natural to everybody. i mean, talk about how important it was for you to get it right, to be authentic. >> again, authenticity is one thing, but you had to really live with the osage in a sense, as i, say it's all about trust. knowing that if -- you know, we had marianne power who was our associate producer, she was involved in being a connection between ourselves and all the key figures in the osage community, costumes, culture, one on language actually. because the osage language, we stamped it, out we destroyed. they don't really know -- very few people know it. it was put back together by the younger generation. they taught lily and they taught the women in the film that you just saw. the improvisation, for example, where she says something to leo driving the car. he says i don't know what you said, but it must be indian for handsome devil. that was improv. you see the laugh. right there, it was the very nature of their relationship as actors. they just trusted each other. >> you can now watch the apple original film, killers of the flower moon, in theaters worldwide. it is extraordinary. martin scorsese, what an honor to have you with us today. thank you so much. >> good to speak to you. >> coming up, actor jeremy strong will tweet us. coming off his role in succession, he is here to discuss his brand-new role on broadway. morning joe will be right back. oadway morning joe will be right back morning joe will be right back from pep in their step to shine in their coats, when people switch their dog's food to the farmer's dog, the effects can seem like magic. but there's no magic involved. (dog bark) it's just smarter, healthier pet food. it's amazing what real food can do. news broke the sopranos at the white lotus actor, michael imperioli will be making his broadway debut joining successor and jeremy strong in the latest revival of the ifs in play, an enemy of the people. the story follows a doctor who sounds the alarm about a health emergency in his town, only to have the very people he is trying to save turn against him. the play is set to open on march 18th at the circle square theater in new york city for a limited engagement. tickets are -- you're going to have to get them soon. they went until this morning. joining us, i'm a award-winning actress chair and be strong. jeremy, oh my god, obsessed with you in succession. can't tell if i, love hate or feel that your character is pathetic. amy her sock and tony winning director, sam gold. great to have you all on. can't wait to hear about this. amy, i'd love to start with you because you adapted this ifs and script. it has been adopted a few times before. what is different this time? >> it has been adapted a bunch of times before. one of my favorite adaptations is actually the movie jaws, which is an adaptation of an enemy of the people. it's a little known fun fact. what makes it different this time, i would say, is just how relevant and present it all feels. we are trying to strip it back, keep it simple and keep the focus on the actors and the words and tell a story that is always relevant but maybe especially so right now. >> jeremy, you are one of the actors to be focused upon. i will try to recreate the introduction. what drew you to this particular project? >> you, know it is a play written in 1882, is that right? in so many ways it is forecasting the political, social, ecological crises that we face now. the play touches on the third rail of so many things that we are experiencing, in our society and world. a man discovered that the water source of the towns health spa is essentially poisonous. it becomes about trying to confront the powers that be who have an interest in protecting the economy, and choose instead to allow the town to be poisoned to protect the status quo. i think it's a play about so many things, climate activism, political extremism, the court of public opinion. i mean, you name it. >> that seems written from the headlines. is that timelessness? or is it the timeliness of it? >> yeah, it is like a little allegory from a long time ago that can teach us a lot about our current moment. absent was ahead of his time about a lot of things. in this play he spoke some things that i feel like a contemporary audience could really get a lot of hearing, when you ask what drew me to this was thinking about jeremy playing this character. i read the play last year and i knew he was finishing up his job on succession. i was like, i have to send this play to him because it's apart he would really bring a lot to. so it was the confluence of the right actor for the right role, in a moment that felt like it could really use this play. >> amy, i read the ibsen play when i was in high school, 97 years ago now. [laughter] it seems to me, it despite all the descriptions from jeremy and jonathan and sam about the play, isn't it at the end of the day just about truth? you get punished for telling the truth? it's a version of trumpism today, fake news, it's fake news that jeremy is -- what the doctor is doing in the town. is that the core of the play? >> yeah, that's right. the battle over the truth and what truth is and trumpism also, you know, what we've just been through with covid where there was just this country wide battle over what the basic facts where, that became so politicized and it became impossible to sort of engage with any narrative without feeling that kind of tribalism and politics around it. we lost track of what truth could even be. that is the story of one man who is really trying to hold that line and maintain a direct relationship with the truth, i think that's something that's so difficult for people to do today. >> that does it for, us we are back monday at 6:00 eastern time. have a great weekend. 0 easter time have a great weekend >> this is the katie phang show. live from miami, florida. we've got lots of news to cover, and lots of questions to answer.

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