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george santos and the findings are jaw dropping. in great detail, his colleagues on the house ethics committee report that santos blatantly stole from his campaign, sought to fraudulently exploit every aspect of his candidacy for personal gain, and that his efforts were propped up by a constant stream of lies. santos now says he will leave congress when his term is up, but could he be forced out first. plus, israeli soldiers carrying out targeted attacks and searching what's left of the al-shifa hospital even as hundreds of palestinians lay wounded and dying inside. the military says there is a, quote, well-hidden terrorist infrastructure inside the hospital complex. where is the proof, though, as international condemnation over humanitarian concerns escalates further. , and here at home, heated war protests have led to violent clashes and confrontations and the death of at least one man, 69-year-old paul kessler. today news that a suspect has been arrested in that death and that he could face felony charges. we've got the very latest on that coming up as well. but we begin with that shocking turn by embattled new york congressman george santos saying he will not run for re-election, but his days in office could end even sooner because moments ago we learned the house ethics committee chairman will introduce a resolution to expel santos from congress tomorrow morning. that announcement follows the release of the house ethics committee report just hours ago, concluding there is a substantial evidence santos violated federal criminal laws. santos had long been defiant in the face of questions surrounding his finances, and in a long social media post calls the report a disgusting politicized smear. the committee is now referring its findings to the justice department. he faces nearly two dozen federal charges. santos' republican colleagues have said they've had enough as they lead the effort to remove him. >> george santos is a fraud. he should not be a member of congress. >> my district is right next to santos' district. my voters and i are quite aware of the fraud he perpetuated. i don't need an ethics report to tell me what i already know. >> reporter: joining me now is nbc's ryan nobles, matthew dowd, former chief strategist for the bush/cheney 2004 campaign and senior msnbc political analyst, and eugene daniel, "politico" white house correspondent and playbook co-author and an msnbc political contributor. good to see you all, gentlemen. so ryan, what more do we know right now? this has been a wild and fast-moving set of events. >> you're right, chris, and you really do get the sense that the damn is starting to break for george santos and his time in congress could quickly be coming to an end, in part because this report is just so unbelievably damning, and it comes from a bipartisan committee made up of both republicans and democrats where they exhaustively looked into santos' background, his bank records, and revealed a lot of things that we didn't even know despite the long list of criminal indictments that santos is facing. among them, that he used his campaign account to pay off his own personal credit card, that he used it to pay his personal rent, that he was using it to go on websites like only fans and to shop at designer stores. these are all things that are in clear violation of congressional rules and also campaign finance rules as well. and as a result, this is a report that's being forwarded to the justice department that could likely lead to even more criminal charges for santos, and it is now starting to get to the point where you see members of congress now saying that it is just time for him to go, and there's an expulsion resolution that will be introduced tomorrow morning by the chair of the ethics committee, and we're starting to see republicans and democrats say they will support that resolution. among them, the ranking democrat on the ethics committee, susan wild, who said in a statement today, the ethics committee report speaks for itself, and i encourage all members of congress and other interested parties inclung and especially the people of new york 3 to read the entire report. i intend to ve yes on any privilege expulsion revolution that's brought forward as the work of the committee is now complete, i'm no longer obligated to maintain neutrality as a member of the ethics committee. it's important to point out that any vote would require two-thirds of the members of the congress in order to kick george santos from office, as an example of how many are starting to lean in that direction, congressman ken buck on msnbc with andrea mitchell last hour, he has previously been opposed to any expulsion resolution saying that george santos was due process in this situation before he voted yes. he feels that this ethics report is an example of that due process, and he will now vote yes on an expulsion resolution. ken buck just one example of many republicans who are starting to come around to that way of thinking. there's a very good chance, chris between thanksgiving and christmas that george santos is removed from congress. chris. >> ryan, thank you very much. matthew, i wonder what you make of this. i think when everybody woke up this morning, the prevailing wisdom was simply that there's such a tight majority for the republicans that they didn't want to upset the apple cart. this does, as i said, seem to be moving awfully quickly. >> yeah, i think the report brings such clarity to it that all of these things we -- many of us knew, they laid it out in a way that's not only ethics violations, it's actually breaking the law, and a complex scheme of law breaking in the course of this. i think george santos, the idea that george santos stands up today and says i'm just not going to run for re-election. to me, it's like a guy that's pulled over for reckless driving, drunk driving and speeding and tells the police officer, says just let me off, let me continue driving, and a year and a half from now i'll stop driving or i'll give up my driver's license in here. that's the problem. and i think republicans at this point are going to be forced to have to deal with this, even though, as you said, they have a slim majority in the house. i think it's such overwhelming evidence presented by a bipartisan committee that i don't think they're going to have much choice but to kick him out. >> there's another numbers game here, eugene, as well. for months a block of first term republican who is represent those moderate districts in new york and who are worried about their jobs, they've wanted santos out. they've tried to get him out. they don't want to be tainted by him. they're worried about that, and i wonder if part of this, besides the fact that this is a scathing report, members are simply convinced that the potential for a downside long-term losses aren't worth this short-term one seat potential hold. >> yeah, it was too embarrassing. george santos proved too embarrassing for house republicans. and really, for the body at large, right, there are even democrats who voted against expelling him last time who are also flipping and saying this time they will vote to expel george santos whenever that vote comes to the floor. i mean, so much has happened in the republican conference over the last 11 months, but george santos has continued to be an embarrassment for the conference. you know, you talk about marjorie taylor greene, a lauren boebert. no one has really accused them of all the things that we have seen both in the investigations that reporters have done and to george santos, the kind of obfuscating and lying and adding things to his biography that don't seem to be true. but now seeking to exploit every aspect of his candidacy. accused of stealing from the campaign. deceiving donors, all of these things, and at some point, republicans are saying that point seems to be now. we're not taking this anymore. we know that things are tight. but things that oe seen at this point doesn't seem to fix the issues they have deep in the conference when it comes to the voting of things. they just needed one vote here or there. so i think they've just decided there's no more george santos that they want around. and frankly, as they look to 2024, trying to keep the house and frankly, the presidency, they're trying to find ways to show that there are some adults in the room in the republican party, and george santos is no help in that effort whatsoever at this point. >> matthew, let me read what some of eugene's fineolleagues at "politico" wrote. they say the report finds that santos, quote, spent campaign funds on botox tatments and lavish atlantic city trips with his husband. it also details the new york republican's efforts to obscure his money trail as he sought to build a fictional financial narrative on official records. when a bipartisan panel find unanimously that a member acted, these are their words, beneath the dignity of the office and brought severe discredit upon the house, did speaker johnson have any choice? does he just have a different approach than speaker mccarthy had? what do you think happened behind the scenes to make this turn? >> well, i actually think the committee, the ethics committee did the work they were supposed to do. they did it in a slow, methodical way. i know a lot of people wanted him expelled earlier. i was always the one that said we ought to at least go through some due process. i think they went through that, which i think you give them a lot of credit for in that, and so my guess is there's a bunch of republicans that kept him in office and behind the scenes were like praying to god that this ethics committee report would come out in the way they thought it would, which it now has, which gives them an excuse to go in this. the other part of this that i think is a bigger problem in this is that the idea that george santos entered congress is a real sign that republicans have lost any guard rails of keeping these kind of people out of office and not carrying the republican banner. they're going to deal with them in this way. it's really in the aftermath of the fact, and donald trump is a sign of this, the aftermath is they no longer have people that are in control of the process, so people like george santos end up in office. >> yeah, the campaign committees have got to be taking a look at what they're thinking about for next year right now. eugene, among the other findings, he inflated six personal loans made to his own campaign for $3,500, but said they actually totaled more than 80,000. it details purchases from hermes, sofora and a website known for adult content. most of us have never seen anything like this, this extensive, this brazen, this bold. but then again i'm looking at why some of these folks might vote not to expel him. he would be the first to be expelled without having been convicted of a crime. do you see that as giving some folks a reason not to do it? >> yeah, i think it's something that people are thinking about, right? always in these decisions as these folks are going to vote, they're thinking about what's the precedent that we're setting, right? like that's when they kicked mtd off of her committees last in the last conference, in the last -- there was a lot of conversation about do you want to set this precedent, we saw that used against democrats. so there are definitely people who are going to be thinking about that. i think largely folks feel like there was due process here, maybe there wasn't an actual conviction, he has been indicted by the doj. this piece of -- this long report that we've seen is clearly due process. it was a long investigation, done by both democrats and republicans in a way that i think most people are going to see as something that they can go home and tell people and go to bed and say i feel good about my vote here, and again, a lot of this is going to be about this is just too much. he's only -- this is his first year in congress, and it's only been -- he doesn't seem interested in legislating. he has spent, according to this report, all this money and in trying to enrich and use his name and the fact that he was running for congress to change his own person. according to the report, right, that is something that members of congress don't to want see, they don't want the american people to think even lower of members of congress, like matt just said, you know, getting into congress is a problem. it talks about how people don't vet the candidates like they should be doing anymore. it also speaks to how little resources on state and local reporting, right? some of the stuff are things that could have been found before he even walked into washington, d.c., but that wasn't the case, and i think a lot of lessons learned across the board here. it also is a reminder that we are seeing a lot of people on the republican side coming up in kind of like the donald trump school of deny, obfuscate, lie, but it doesn't work for everybody, right? it has not worked for george santos in the way that it worked for donald trump, and i think george santos seems to have -- be learning that the hardway. >> let's see if the lessons are learned by the folk who is make these decisions. next, growing demands for evidence from the israeli military about the existence of hamas headquarters under gaza's largest hospital. we're back in 60 seconds. back is alice loves the scent of gain so much, she wished there was a way to make it last longer. say hello to your fairy godmother alice and long-lasting gain scent beads. part of the irresistible scent collection from gain! right now get a free footlong at subway. like the new deli heroes. buy one footlong in the app, get one free. it's a pretty big deal. kinda like me. order in the subway app today. right now in gaza, the main hospital on the strip is at the center of increasing controversy. idf soldiers are combing through al-shifa for a second day today looking for proof it is a secret command headquarters for hamas. but as "the wall street journal" puts it, they face growing pressure to justify their raid on the medical complex. president biden unequivocally backing israel saying he is absolutely convinced that hamas has a command center under al-shifa, a move he called a war crime. this is the latest on evidence from an idf spokesman. >> we have already found 300 that go into those tunnels, most of those booby trapped, including in the vicinity of that hospital. now, some of these have been also closed by hamas, and others will be revealed when find them. >> so that's the key phrase, right? revealed when we find them. no direct evidence suprtg israel's claim of an underground te. as "the new york times" puts it, what israel fds or doesn't in the hospital could affect international sentiment abo the invasion and influence negotiations taking place on freeing more than 200 hostages being held by hamas. so as soldiers pore over each building, hundreds of patients and doctors remain trapped inside with nowhere to go. the director of the al-shifa complex told al jazeera, the hospital is completely surrounded, the occupation has hit the main water line. the conditions are tragic, and those in the hospital are screaming from thirst. even the law of the jungle does not allow the inhumane conditions that al-shifa hospital is currently experiencing. we are fighting death minute by minute. nbc's erin mclaughlin is live from tel aviv. that is the question at the heart of what a lot of people are talking about. is there proof from the idf that there are hamas tunnels, hamas headquarters under al-shifa? where does that stand? >> reporter: well, chris, it's first worth pointing out that we're limited in terms of what we can say. the picture that we can paint in terms of what's happening at al-shifa hospital right now, a near communications blackout is being reported impacting what appears to be the entire gaza strip after pal tell, which is the main telecommunications provider for gaza ran out of fuel for its backup generators, posting on facebook, there is a quote, complete disrfter the fuel entry has been banned and all backup power sources have been exhausted to operate the main elements of the network. so we have been unable to reach any number of doctors that i have been talking to over the past few days to get their take on what is happening inside the hospital, what we know of what is going on right now is limited to what the israeli military is saying. a spokesperson saying that for the second day israeli special forces have entered the hospital. remember, this is a massive hospital complex. so there's a lot for them to go through. they say they're going room by room, floor by floor, building by building looking for evidence of a hamas terror cell. we know yesterday they published these videos showing the hamas weapons they allege they've found as well as other items that tie materials inside the hospital to the october 7th attack, although we have been unable to verify those findings. nothing so far, though, to suggest the kind of command and control note that both the israeli and u.s. governments allege is buried deep beneath the hospital, but the search continues. meanwhile, the doctors that i've been talking to, i spoke to the director of the burns unit just yesterday, and he was painting this desperate picture as well as denying that hamas exploit the hospital. he said he was an irish citizen. he moved to gaza six months ago, if he felt that hamas was exploiting the hospital, that he would leave, and of course now he can't leave because the israeli military has fully encircled the hospital. they're not letting anyone in or out, and medical staff inside say they are desperate at this point to be evacuated. the united nations says it is trying to facilitate that evacuation, but no signs the hospital is going to be evacuated anytime soon, chris. >> erin mclaughlin, thank you for that. i want to bring in mark polly ma rop lis, former cia operator and msnbc national security and intelligence analyst. intelligence clearly is at the heart of this, right? i mean, president biden has not hesitated to express his concern to israel about civilian casualties, but he was pretty unequivocal yesterday about israel's statement saying that they were going after hq of hamas. here's exactly what the president said. >> one thing has been established is that hamas does have headquarters, weapons, material below this hospital, and i suspect others. >> he called the existence a war crime. what might lead the president to make a statement that forcefully, and when might we see the evidence? what do you suspect the evidence is? >> so there's no way president biden makes a statement like that without having the intelligence community come to him with some pretty conclusive evidence. now, "the wall street journal" reported that this was signals intelligence, and that's pretty specific. but i think that you're right in the last segment in that the credibility of both israeli and u.s. intelligence is on the line now, and while yesterday did show that hamas was using the hospital, this is when the israelis, you know, the video of the weapons caches, uniforms, laptop, et cetera, so that is technically a war crime. but i think that the israelis are going to have to come forward with additional video, concrete information to corroborate the notion that this was a massive command and control node for hamas. so ultimately, the u.s. -- president biden yesterday bought the israelis some more time, gave them some more runway in terms of the siege of the hospital, but i think the international community is going to want a bit more, and that's what, you know, we're going to see in the days to come. look, the israeli special operations forces are still going through this. >> one of the big concerns that's been expressed is

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