annoying. i just strongly believe you have to follow the law. >> alex, the mayor has continued to express his support, but we have says nothing wrong, again, at this point, he has not been accused of any wrongdoing. no charges have been filed. alex? >> okay, thanks for both of those points as well. george police, appreciate that. there's a lot of ground to cover in this next hour for you. first, up donald trump's testimony in court. did he help the prosecution instead of himself? you're going to hear from a courtroom insider. plus, what if trump wins the election? a chilling new article about what could come next. plus, my election officials are on high alert, and whether it is this is a new normal. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> as i bid you all a very good day from msnbc world headquarters in new york, welcome to alex witt reports. drama on capitol hill this afternoon, as house republicans will hold a meeting in an effort to avoid a looming government shutdown. the details of the gop funding plans are expected to be released later. just a couple of hours. this is coming as newly minted house speaker mike johnson is struggling to unite his conference on some sort of a stopgap bill. joining me now, nbc's julie tsirkin. of course, her post up capitol hill. welcome. so, we have speaker johnson, who is slated to hold this call with house gop members at 3:00. are there any indications of what this plan includes? and what democrats are saying, if this plan falls short of some sort of a clean stopgap bill? >> well, the new house speaker facing his first big test since getting big apple two weeks ago has been really keeping his cards close to the vest. but i've heard from several sources that the plan that he is most likely to reveal to his colleagues at 3:00 is a so-called lettered continuing resolution that would extend funding levels for different agencies at two separate times. the one he's thinking about it's going to have some agencies -- until january, and funds others funded until february. you can imagine this is a logistical nightmare and democrats in the white house, in the senate, and certainly among house members were already pushing back on that idea. here's jasmine crockett, who you talked to last hour. listen to this. >> we have been in the house and all we have been doing is running in circles. we have not been going anywhere, and this is further evidence that these people are very unserious. they don't want to govern. and frankly, i still don't understand why americans believe republicans are better on the economy than democrats, when they can't do the simple, basic job that we are required to do, which is to pass appropriations and keep this government open. >> speaking of appropriations, the reason we are having a conversation about a stopgap funding bill is because republicans have not been able to pass even their own partisan spending bills to fund the government for the full year. just this week, the speaker had to pull to appropriations bills because of several disagreements among republicans. but this -- house talking, to alex, we are still on tech track to see text later today, after that call. it is not likely to pass, as you heard, and senate democrats are already gearing up a plan for a clean seat are, without any aid to israel and ukraine or any of the other supplemental priorities, but something that will keep the government open. >> okay, we're going to see very closely what comes of that with your help. thanks, julie. in just a few minutes, i'm going to talk with a member of the appropriations committee about all this, plus this reaction to donald trump's striking candor about his post-2024 plans. we'll go now to breaking news on the israel-hamas war. new this hour, thousands of palestinians fled northern gaza during a humanitarian pause today, while idf forces advanced on foot. them [sound of artillery] [sound of artillery] >> while the israeli offensive continues with missile strikes landing near hospitals, where medical teams are working by torchlight, you are sufficient say they are working to get fuel to restore power to hospitals. israel has revised its death toll downwards from 1400 to 1200, well gaza health officials say that death toll now tops 11,000. arab leaders in saudi arabia, including from iran and syria, demand the release of hostages and and and the fighting. at the vigil today in dempsey, israel, for a cancer patient who was taken hostage. by hamas. >> at least that i expect is that my country, my country, we'll do the best to release my sister. i want my prime minister, i want somebody, to do his best, his best, to bring them back home. >> we have a number of reporters in place throughout the region, from tel aviv to lebanon. so at first, we're going to nbc's erin loughlin in tel aviv, israel, on this. erin, another welcome. what is the latest on? this really desperate situation at the al-shifa hospital and about the escalating humanitarian crisis in gaza. >> well alice, we just heard from the aid organization doctors without borders treating out -- situation in gaza city, saying that there aren't multiple hospitals in gaza city under bombardment within the last 24 hours, including al-shifa hospital, the main hospital in gaza city, we are tens of thousands of palestinians are seeking shelter. doctors without borders say it has staff operating inside of al-shifa hospital, and it's reporting that the hospital has been struck multiple times, killing people and injuring many. that's the update from doctors without borders on twitter. we have been talking to doctors inside of al-shifa hospital. they are talking to us about a desperate situation regarding power, the basics, power, food, water. they are reporting powder outages in the icu, as well as the pediatric ward, killing at least two patients, including an infant. we're also hearing from doctors in khan yunis, who are in contact with our colleagues in al-shifa. take a listen to what one doctor is to the south, the southern portion of gaza, has to say about what he's hearing from his colleagues inside al-shifa. >> the systems -- are collapsing totally. that is hundreds of people in the hospital. there is -- inside the hospital, with no place for them to compensate them. they are going out the door like collective grave, so they can avoid a humanitarian crisis. >> meanwhile, we're also hearing from the israeli military, acknowledge there's been fierce clashes, fierce fighting in the area of al-shifa hospital in the overnight hours, but denying the hospital is under siege, denying that they are shooting going on at the hospital. a spokesperson saying there is no shooting at the hospital, and there's no siege. the side of the hospital remains open. additionally, the israeli military concordant anyone who wants to leave the hospital safely, although doctors inside the hospital are telling us that there are so many wounded inside of al-shifa hospital at this point, that it's impossible to evacuate. meanwhile, here in the heart of tel aviv, thousands are turning out to mark and remember the 239 hostages that were taken captive by hamas on october 7th. you could see some of the ceremony happening behind me. they want to make sure that what happens to be hostages, the hostages remain at the forefront of the israeli government going forward >> and we can also very much for the speakers there, so thank you for explaining what that's all about. aaron, appreciate that. in just a few minutes, we're going to head to lebanon for the record latest infighting there along the lebanon israel border. but first, let's get to the latest on the civil fraud trial that threatens to limit donald trump's ability to do business in new york state. the trial featured angry testimony from trump, and clashes with the judge. but some new headlines suggest his daughter, ivanka's testimony, may have hurt his case. nbc news investigative reporter chloe atkins was in the courtroom. chloe, is joining me right now. talk about ivanka's testimony. at would you say was the main uxf it? >> so, ivan tmp was the last witness before the a.g.'s case before they rested their case this past week. she was on the stand five hours. she was asked a lot of questions about the loans she secured on behalf of the trump organization. and even though she showed many email exchanges between the load organizations, even internal emails about these loans she secured, she often said, i don't recall. so, she had very evasive answers of her involvement. she didn't really recall what took place during that, time despite being shown documentation of her having a key role in carrying this out. >> it's interesting, because stephanie grisham, you may have heard her again, former trump communications director, former chief of staff to the first lady, knows the family very well. she said she found a quite surprising because she said essentially that ivanka has the mind of a steel trap. she's always been very impressed by that. so my question to you, did you notice, since you had a bird's-eye view of everything, did you notice frustration on behalf of the prosecution when she would say, i don't recall, when shown these documents? >> prosecutors, the a.g.'s office, really remain focused and taking through each document and asking her thorough questions, despite her saying, i don't recall. at one point, they were asked, is there any reason to believe this wasn't your email? and she agreed there wasn't any reason to believe, despite not recalling the intricacies or details that involvement. now, she did, i do want to mention we talked about it many times, she really struck a very different tone that her father and even her brothers, who testified before her this past week. she was very point. she was stoic. she was calm. you know, on the other hand, her brothers and her father, most notably, were very combative and explosive at times. >> the fact that don jr. is coming back to court to testify starting monday, that he will be a witness for the defense instead of the prosecution, how do you expect that to go? what are you looking for? >> the trials moving full steam ahead. we're going to have the defense taking the reins, but donald trump jr., like you just said, testifying and being the first witness. the focus probably will likely be on rehabilitating and really altering this image of donald trump junior, and having a better control on his story and his perspective of what took place. and it will be really giving more context, more explanation about the areas that he talked about while he was on the witness stand, during the a.g.'s prosecution. and so that is what i really expect, alex. >> you're going to be watching closely, which means we will be talking again. thank you, my friend. so, did it help him or hurt him? an attorney in the courtroom with donald trump testified this week. we'll talk to you next. we are back in 60 seconds. k in 60 seconds. to get lost in investment research. get help with j.p morgan personal advisors. hey, david! ready to get started? work with advisors who create a plan with you, and help you find the right investments. so great getting to know you, let's take a look at your new investment plan. ok, great! this should have you moving in the right direction. thanks jen. get ongoing advice; and manage your investments in the chase mobile app. right now get a free footlong at subway. like the new deli heroes. buy one footlong in the app, get one free. it's a pretty big deal. kinda like me. order in the subway app today. my frequent heartburn had me taking antacid after antacid all day long but with prilosec otc just one pill a day blocks heartburn for a full 24 hours. for one and done heartburn relief, prilosec otc. one pill a day, 24 hours, zero heartburn. >> your reaction to donald trump testimony in the new york civil fraud trial. trump lashing with the judge, reminded that he was not in that political rally. one former trump white house lawyer says testimony did not help trump's case. >> i mean, i thought that was a terrible testimony. trump made a series of errors in terms of getting much closer to the decisions related to the financial statements then he did in his deposition. and he made some significant concessions in that regard that i don't think helped him legally at all. the evidentiary phrase, while it's gone well for the prosecution, there are some holes that are consequential. >> so, joining me right now, kristy greenberg, former federal prosecutor, former deputy chief at the southern district of new york and hammill david, spokeswoman for the house january six committee. good to have you with me. kristie, to you first, because you are in court this week for the big event. do you agree that trump made concessions that's helped the prosecution? >> he did. he can't help but put himself as somebody who is an expert. and that seems to just be his ego talking. in this case, that actually her. tim where he was showing the statements of financial condition, which the judges already determined are fraudulent. he said i reviewed those. i offered suggestions. at times, i am an expert at peace. i can look at a building and i can tell you what the value of it is. and he said he would provide his opinions and suggestions at times. he said he was more of an expert than anyone else, which is exactly the opposite of what the defense is trying to prove. they're trying to show, no it wasn't the trumps that were involved, we relied on our accountants. so, him putting himself at the center of some of these decisions, and acknowledging it at one point, when showing the statements of financial condition, that he was responsible for making sure they were prepared in accordance of generally accepted accounting principles. he acknowledged that on the stand. none of that helps us defense. >> of course. talking about hubris there. what about his demeanor, christy, during the testimony? how it all his protests, his antics, how would that factor into potential appeals? do you agree with type of assessment that some consequential holes remain in the prosecution? can they be filled during cross examination of the defense witnesses? >> so, there are defenses that the trumps have as to the remaining causes of action. we've got summer judgment already on whether there was persistent fraud. that's already decided. but there are six other causes of action or the key elements of those fraud counts are really whether there is intention to fraud, and whether the false statements weren't material. whether the banks and the insurance companies actually relied on those statements, so, they are trump, and i think a lot of the witnesses are going to see from the defense case, or going to consistently hammer home that the -- banks will really focus on the relationship of the trump family. they were not focused on these financial statements per se. they were interested in the relationship and this, those statements didn't mean anything because they did their own due diligence. so expect that to be the theme carrying through. as to his attitude, i had never seen anything in court like it. i have had witnesses on the stance that were murderers, that were mass fraudsters, and i've never seen anyone on the stand act with that level of disrespect to the court. it reminded me of a scene out of my cousin vinnie, when vinnie and the judge or getting into it. but the judge holds vinny in contempt, and here, you know, nothing happened to the donald trump. he asked that the judge asked his lawyer to try and control him, and the lawyer said, i think rightly, it's your courtroom too. control, and he really didn't sanction him. there was no fine. it was just please try to answer the question. you can attack me, which i've never heard a judge say in court. >> mostly because it probably doesn't happen all the time? anyway, let's go to you, now. hannah you're economist woman and staunch trump ally, at least -- filed a ethics complaint against the judge that hearing trump's case, alleging quote, inappropriate bias and judicial intemperance. what do you make of this given her history with the 16 committee? when she stepped in after liz cheney was removed from her number three position there? >> at least stefanik is an extension of donald trump's legal team it seems like. except she is a part of the legislative branch, and has nothing to do with the judicial system. but this is a theme we've seen with donald trump's he doesn't make a legal case, as we just heard. it's a political move, right? so, his maga allies in congress have time and time again in his various court cases stepped in and tried to defend him or use the powers of congress to defend him. so, at least a, phonics case, it's the most recent case. but jim jordan, who leads the ironically weaponization committee in congress, demanded from alvin bragg information when donald trump wasn't cited federally in march. and he also said to fani willis, i want all of your information in the georgia case. so, this is something that trump seems to be leaning on. his maga allies in congress, to do his political building. we also say. we also heard donald trump this week talk about how this trial was very unfair and a crazy trial. this is what donald trump does. he did it in the 2020 election. he said the election was rigged and unfair. right? the facts don't matter to donald trump. it's all a political game. here, you see his political maga ally, at least a fonac, step in on his behalf and try to help from the political side and not a legal one. >> yeah. so, kristie, inka trump, as you know, took the stand in the frd trial. being descrid calm and poised, but some analysts one so far as to say she threw her dad under the bus. what's your assessment on that? >> i'm not sure i quite got that from her testimony. she essentially had, if i could sum it up in a few words, every time she was shown a document, she will show various documents on certain properties, on the real golf course, d.c., old post office, that they converted to a hotel. and chicago skyscraper. with each project, she continued to say, well, this is an iconic asset. and i'm very proud of the work we did on it. you ask me any details of what i did on its, i do not recall any of them. and, so, then you go email after email, document after document, she was very involved in these projects, particularly on the financials. particular, that's the primary point of contact for deutsche bank. and getting these loans as securing these low interest rates savings on the loans that trump wanted. so, when she was shown those documents, you, know she has to say, i have no reason to believe they're inaccurate, because she can't. even if she said she doesn't remember and can't provide more color. so, it was a way for the prosecution to really get more documents admitted into evidence that were harmful to her. the documents, i think, showed that the net worth that donald trump maintaining a net worth of 2.5 billion dollars was incredibly important to the bank. it was a sticking point for them they negotiated back and forth, and ivanka, in the documents, once she's getting the savings, says this is as good as it gets. so, she can't back away from the documents, even if she's going to say i don't recall. she can't back away from the documents, which are not helpful to their case. it shows the bank was relying on this material that they were providing. and it shows that that element of materiality is being driven by the state. >> so, you have new york a.g. laetitia james that fontas was quote, nice and friendly, adding at the end of the day, this case is about fraudulent statements and financial condition that she benefited from. you were involved with ivanka's testimony before the 16 committee. what did you take away from her appearance in new york? >> wow. alex, it's taking me back to when we saw ivanka testify before the january six committee. and i was in awe, because she is so poised and so put together. she was that way in this case as well. what's funny is she said she didn't recall a lot of things, as we heard in the civil trial this week. that was what she said to the january six committee. i don't recall what happened here. what is interesting is we talk to her chief of staff, who did recall things that ivanka thought and did on that day. so it's interesting to me that ivanka didn't recall a lot of items on january six, but her chief of staff, who was with her for a lot of that day, did. so, i'll let your viewers determine what that means about her memory. but one thing we do know is donald trump was not happy with ivanka when she came to talk to the select committee. he sent a post out that said she was checked out in the final days of my administration anyway. when she acknowledged he had lost the election. so, you franca is telling an interesting line here. she's trying to be cooperative, much more cooperative than her father, but her not recalling a lot of things doesn't stand up to what the documents clearly show, i believe in, the civil case. >> there's something else don trump is not too happy about, and that's a fact some of his workers at mar-a-lago have been called to testify in that case. when it comes to what happens with the documents at mar-a-lago, so, hannah, cnn reporting that he went ballistic when he found out that the person who cleans his bedroom spoke to the fbi. so, if that's true, what concerns does this raise for investigators? where are they going to go with this? >> we know from testimony for many people, cassidy hutchison from the january six committee, that donald trump can have these sort of outbursts, right? the one i remember is him throwing the ketchup in a plate against the wall, someone having to come in and clean it up. these are people that investigators want to talk to, if the reporting is accurate. that were just at mar-a-lago, right? through cleaning, they're doing their, work and we see these documents laying out. that's extremely dangerous for our national security. it's un-surprising that trump lashed out. the thing i think about with these regular people that are just doing their jobs is on the ire of the former president of the united states is on you, it's a very scary place to be. it's very dangerous place, so, when i think about these individuals, i fear that they can tell the truth without any sort of fear to their safety. and i hope in this case that prosecutors and investigators can go about talking to the sons of vigils in a safe way. >> okay, hannah, kristie, it's very good to see you both. i look forward to seeing you again soon, thank you. by all accounts, democrats had big electoral winds on tuesday. later on, you're going to hear from peter baker, but the white house may be learning from that and how it could help in 2024. ld help in 2024. symptoms? 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>> yeah, i mean alex, as you mentioned, this was the second speech in as many weeks from kherson of hezbollah. he waited a couple of weeks to weigh into this conflict, which has now been raising for five weeks. but a lot of this was recap from what we heard last week. it was a lot of hasse on the swallows greatest hits, rallying his followers, throwing red meat to his base. remember, this man, he is not just a militant leader. hezbollah is considered a terrorist organization by the united states and israel. he's also a politician. he relies on his followers, and they are many, not just here in lebanon, but throughout the world. once again, he didn't say what many in this region and in this country were either very much hoping for or chest terribly dreading, he did not say he was going to push hezbollah into a full on war with israel. he didn't announce a more expanded conflict across this border, just behind me. but you know, this is something a lot of people were either waiting for, as i mentioned, or dreading. but he did mention a couple of other things. you mentioned, for the first-time, some of the expanded arsenal that hezbollah has that we know that they have. but now he that's been using, including drones, longer range missiles, so, they've been using that was to fire deeper into israel, which so for houston fight of the kind of response that, as i mentioned, would expand this were any further than it already has just across this border. he also mentioned something interesting to our audience. he said that he highlighted a lot of the protests that have been happening in the western world in places like new york, washington, and london today. he said the palestinian cause for the first time in a long time, it's now getting a lot more attention, thanks in part to this ever widening or. alex? >> let me ask you about this joint arab islamic summit underway in saudi arabia. who's there, and what's being discussed? >> that was something we heard there was a statement from it. it was essentially what we would expect. they were condemning israel's incursion into the gaza strip. this was all of a lot of the major representatives from the muslim and arab worlds. they convened on saudi arabia to have this conference. and there were some divisions. a lot of the countries that had been considering or had already cemented diplomatic relations with israel through the abraham accords, which was started under the trump administration and continued under the biden administration, they've shown a lot of reluctance to break with their normalization of their ties with israel. they were still holding out, you from the countries like iran and others were encouraging them to break those ties. and hamas has made no secret of the fact that they want to see those countries distance themselves from israel once and for all. but at the same time, we saw some surprising things. the first time, we saw iranian president raisi, first time in really a long time, visiting saudi arabia. now, this is kind of brings together a proportional that has been the mating for several months. this is in the gushy aided by china couple months ago. again, we are seeing some cohesion, again, among the islamic and arab world that we hadn't been seeing before this crisis began. >> okay, interesting observations, thank you, my friends. appreciate that. so, the one guy who could become a headache for president biden and donald trump on the campaign trail. campaign trail goli, taste your goals. talk about the significance. >> alex, changing the democratic primary calendar was a significant step after south carolina centrally catapulted president biden to the nomination three years ago. biden advocated for moving south carolina's contest ahead of the usually first new hampshire primary next year. democratic party leaders have said that this move will give a more diverse group of voters and earlier say in the process. it's also a thank you to south carolina you might remember biden's campaign was floundering in 2020, after he lost some early primaries. then, south carolina congressman jim clyburn gave biden a heartfelt, full-throated or cement. biden won in that state. eventually, he won the democratic nomination. so, sending his vice president to south carolina yesterday to file the papers, to be on the primary ballot, was a sign of how important the stick was and is to the biden campaign. vice president harris said as much. listen. >> it was south carolina that created the path to the white house for joe biden and me. because of what you did in 2020, we have then come into office and with your support, done a number of things that have been transformational for our country. so, i'm here to say thank you. i am here to say, let's do it again. [applause] -- it was congressman buyer side, this was a key step, alex, it shows south carolina will continue to be an important place for the biden campaign. >> indeed, i was waiting for the let's do it again. she delivered. aaron gilchrist, thank you. now, some alarming developments that are putting election officials on high alert. right now, the fbi is investigating letters with suspicious powders sent to election workers in multiple states, they include california, georgia, nevada, oregon, and washington. let's go back to that shot and bring in peter baker, msnbc political analyst, chief white house correspondent for the new york times, and coauthor of the divider, trump in the white house 2017 to 2021. i still refer to that book, my friend, but anyway, some of the letters, as you, know have reportedly been laced with fentanyl. between that, threats to homes or families harassment will be followed, what's the latest we know on all of that, and is there any way to combat this? >> obviously, it's a very scary proposition for election officials across the country. i think that's probably the intent. fentanyl, unless you just, it is probably not going to be harmful to you. if you open an envelope inhabited such in your skin, it's not gonna do that much or anything. but, obviously it's meant to send a signal. it's meant to scare election officials in this atmosphere that has been created by donald trump's claims that something untoward happened in the 2020 election. we don't know, obviously, who did this. we don't know other purposes. but it seems clear there is an atmosphere right now of intimidation and rights among election workers who have received all kinds of death threats beyond this. you know, putting all sorts of dangers and threats of violence that have been made against the movement over the last two or three years. and i think it talks about the environment we're living in right now. >> it sure does. speaking of elections, two state was full of ns for democrats. how much did the results right in the 2024 outlook overall for the party? >> it certainly gave president biden some breathing space. remember, just a couple days early, they had to have that really devastating poll but that newspaper -- colleague suggesting he was behind in five battleground states, the election on tuesday night allowed them to say, you guys got all work around polling. the only poll that matters on election day and democrats consistently outperformed where they might have in the last several cycles, including cycle, including the one this week. so, all the worried democrats, calm down. so, there is something to that, obviously. the electors show that abortion is still a powerful resident issue for democrats. obviously, they did well in virginia and kentucky, and ohio. on particular races, but i think there's still, of course, that concern among some democrats the fact that the democrats are doing well does not necessarily mean president biden is doing well. his poll numbers are fairly low for an incumbent heading into an election year against a guy who has 91 felony counts against him. you would expect an incumbent to be doing better with that kind of challenger. he's not doing that well. and with the addition of robert kennedy, you're showing their, jill stein, cornell west, and maybe joe manchin as an independent candidate, that throws into an even more volatile moment. >> it's a white house acknowledging lessons they can learn from tuesday? >> well, i think they're acknowledging that the pundits were wrong. that's their acknowledgment, the pundits got it all wrong. they're too focused on polls. but the silver minded democrats say look, there are lessons to be learned here. one, of course, is the power of abortion rights as an issue. that is something that's been true since the dobbs decision by the supreme court overturning roe v. wade. and a couple other, you know, lessons are you know, we are to find the voters they're looking for. right? the voters who maybe not particularly happy about president biden for one reason or another, because of his age, because of inflation, whatever, and how to find them in red states, even much less, purple states like virginia. that is the goal that they're looking for. and i think the last most important, you know, listen they are taking at this point is that they may not be able to sell president biden a positive way. but the real strategy has to be from, their point of view, reminding voters of what happens if donald trump comes back into office and scaring voters who might not be thrilled with the president right now into turning out for him, in order to stop the former president coming back. >> so, going to put my director, the pullback up with robert kennedy junior, who is certainly drawing support now he is running as an independent. the new poll finds 16% of voters are leaning towards him, peter. and another surfe owing kennedys polling from 19 to 25% across key battleground states, six of them, so, it's rfk junior more of a problem for biden or trump? >> that's a great question, and not really 100% clear right now. and our poll the battleground states last week, and i think he was drawing slightly more than trump than he was from biden. that would suggest therefore, biden wouldn't be unhappy about rfk junior being on the ballot. i've seen other polling suggesting the opposite. it's pretty even, though. if you mix it together and say what he's doing clearly is you know, attracting voters who don't like the choice that they have in front of them, don't like the idea we're going to have a rematch of the 2020 election between president biden and former president trump, and looking to express their concern about that. it doesn't mean they'll stick with him a year from now. a year is a long time for politics. you actually go to the ballot box and say okay, i have to make a decision here. my guess is his numbers probably go down as long as it doesn't look like a wind that's we. seen in the independent candidates in the past. it doesn't mean you could be on spoiler in the race, and that's a concern for the white house. >> if he stays in these numbers and you' -- based on history, if it doesn't come true, does that mean he gets on the debate stage? what would that do? i know it's all speculative, but got to think about that. >> we do. of course, we don't even know if joe biden or donald trump will be on the debate stage? right? so, far don trump's duct every primary republican base. there's talk among the democrats that maybe president biden shouldn't agree to debate former president trump, because by that point, not only will he have been indicted for crimes for serious crimes, he presumably maybe convicted by next fall as well. and the president could use that and say look, well, i'm not going to be onstage with a convicted felon. whether rfk junior can get onstage as a whole other kettle of fish. you've seen in the past, sometimes, independent candidates managed to be on the stage, depending on the criteria used for participation. sometimes, they haven't. it's really up in the air right now. >> okay, never up in the air, though, how much we appreciate you. see you again soon. thank you, peter. donald trump's new interview and how he said the quiet part out loud, again. , again. whenever heartburn strikes. get fast relief with tums. it's time to love food back. also available tums+ sleep support. right now get a free footlong at subway. like the new deli heroes. buy one footlong in the app, get one free. it's a pretty big deal. kinda like me. order in the subway app today. my skin has been so much smoother so much more hydrated. it's olay! with olay hyaluronic body wash 95% of women had visibly-better skin. and my skin is so much more moisturized. >> you are about to hear see the difference with olay. alarming candid from the republican front runner about his plans if he becomes president again. donald trump was asked if he would weaponize the fbi and doj in the same way he claims law enforcement was used against him. so, take a look at his response. >> they've done indictments in order to win an election. they called it weaponization. and the people aren't going to stand for it, but yeah, they had done something that allows that next party, i mean, if somebody, if i happen to be president and i see somebody who was doing well and beating me very badly, i say go down and indict them. mostly, that would be, you know, they would be out of business. they've been out. they'd be out of the election. >> joining me now, democratic congressman mike quigley of illinois. welcome, my, friends good to see you. let's see. someone who's doing well eating the very badly, i say, go down and invite them. trump very cle saying he would weapone federal critics, which is something the washingtt, by the, way recently forecast. so, you're a former member of the intel committee. would this even be possible, and what are the risks if trump becomes president? >> i guess three points, first, when an autocrat tells you what they're going to do, believe it. number two, the best thing to cater in future behavior is past behavior. this was a president who assaulted the rule of law. had his department of justice intercede on criminal cases. dismissing general flynn's case after he pled guilty twice. reducing the sentence of roger stone, who perjured himself, to my question, by the way, and getting him out of jail. and look, if it wasn't for patriots like i would argue, gina, hospital journal milley, and people in the department of justice, it would've been much worse. third and really important point, he's not going to make that same mistake again. he won't do anything but puts total suffocates in these places, so there won't be anyone there to stop him when he goes after the rule of law. >> there are go the guardrails. all right, let's talk about what's happening, since we're last in week from a government shutdown, speaker johnson, as you know, set to release the gop spending plan this afternoon. what is going to take to avoid a shutdown in six days? will we get there? and it's a continuing relution the likeliest answer? >> to the left point, probably. but let's go back a little bit. in june, we had a bicameral, bipartisan deal. we shouldn't be here. this should be done. we should be thinking about next year's budget. we should be thinking about supplemental's on israel, taiwan, and of course, ukraine. but unfortunately, we are not at that point. now, we're talking about, you know, somehow structuring ac r to prolong this madness. it's important to remember that republican dysfunction has consequences. the day's news is that moody's has downgraded the u.s. credit rating outlook from stable to negative. this will cost us money. and the rest of the world watches. fiona hill said just a years ago that this dysfunction, this polarization, in this part, on behalf of republican side, it's a national security threats. clearly, those who wonder for exergonic a forward with our measures to support israel and ukraine and others. are we even capable of getting those things done? because my colleagues across the aisle had the furthest right hijack their party. >> so, look. that's expected this week, the senate blocked that house, stand-alone 40 million dollar aid package will for israel, will cutting a timeout from the so, that what happens? given your recent trip to ukin how long do you see ukraine holding battle lines without u.s. support? >> well, it's a great question. first of all, let's remind people that had we not interceded and clearly, president biden was instrumental in uniting the west and nato, if we hadn't given them those extraordinary weaponry, this would have been a short war, and putin would be in charge. and his atrocities move the decimal point over. they would've been ruled a forward, multi fold more. so, that prospect is still out there, and it's very scary. again, you know, it's showing the lack of resolve to the rest of the world. so, great concerns. i think the ukrainians are starting to ask themselves, should we ration what we're doing and our weapons? when i was there, i got the impression that they were very grateful. they appreciate everything that we're giving them, but there's genuine concern that if we can't govern, the loss is theirs. >> 22 house democrats joined republicans this week, censoring the only palestinian american member of congress, rashida tlaib, over comments she made about the israel-hamas war. you were not among those democrats to do that. why not, and this emerging routine, use of censure? what is that signaling to you? >> well, to me, it is nothing more than high in the tension and the discord that's there. one of the reasons i voted against it. i guess another one would be my republican colleagues didn't want to do anything at all with centering mr. goes our, who posted a video of him slitting the throat of a monster that had the face of aoc and president biden on it. clearly, inciting violence against someone else. so,. look at. this point in time, we don't have time for you, no heightened intensity like this. while i disagree with miss tlaib's remarks, she made it clear that she was not intending it to be inciting violence. she was talking purely about palestinian freedom. i still disagree, but i disagree with a lot of people in congress. i strongly disagree with them. our going to do a censure every time we disagree to that vein? 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