people thought that that outrage would translate into electoral doom for the political party that had been pushing to end roe. but instead after the court's decision, the response from elected republicans was basically, eh, no big deal. >> the kind of angry leftists, many of whom are pretty ignorant and don't even know what overturning roe means i think a month afterards are going to be surprised, wait, nothing about my life changed. >> there's a narrative forming in america that the republican party and the pro-life movement is on the run. oh, no, we're going nowhere. >> my guess is in terms of the impact on federal raies, i think it's probably going to be a wash. >> did not turn out to be a wash, not even close. in ballot measure after ballot measure across the country voters came out in support of reproductive choice. in kansas, in vermont, in california, in michigan, in montana, in kentucky, literally everywhere abortion rights were on the ballot. abortion rights won. in the 2022 mid-term election, republican predicted a red wave, but that red wave crested before it reached the shore. supporters turned out in droves to stem that tide, and last night it happened again. in ohio a state trump won by 8 points in 2020, people voted by a margin of 13 points to enshrine abortion rights in their state's constitution. in kentucky, a state that donald trump won by 26 points in 2020, voters chose to re-elect democratic governor andy beshear who very vocally campaigned on protecting abortion rights. in the swing state of virginia republican governor glenn youngkin campaigned to win republican control of the state legislature so he could pass a 15-week abortion ban. a ban he wanted to sell to the american people as the sensible abortion plan. that failed, too. they managed to take control of the statehouse from republicans by running against glenn youngkin's abortion ban. way to go, governor. and now today conservatives are freaking out about all this and finally starting to realize it is not a wash, that people do care, and boy do they care a lot. >> democrats are trying to scare women into thinking republicans don't warrant abortion legal under any circumstances. >> no abortion ban. >> we've seen it in polling for a long time. we looked at the mid-term elections last year and instead of a red wave we saw a red ripple in large part i think because of abortion. >> if the democrats could run abortion rights geps trump in 2024 -- >> it does seem like the republican party in general has a real problem with winning. >> none of this is lost on democrats. the ads are being cut, reminding people the republican front-runner in the coming presidential race is the one who made all of this happen in the very first place. >> i got rid of roe v. wade. i'm the one that got rid of roe v. wade. i was honored to do it and i was very honored to do it. >> do you believe in abortion, yes or no as a principle sph. >> the answer is there has to be some form of punishment. >> for the woman? >> yes, there has to be some form. nobody has ever done more for right to life than donald trump. roe v. wade, they won. they finally won. >> the iowa bill was signed and they wouldn't be able to do anything if they didn't do what i did. >> that is the play book. democrats understand they can run against donald trump. as far as his base is concerned, the reason republicans keep losing on this is because they haven't been extreme enough. >> the reality here, trump delivers maga, maga delivers victories. this was a turnout issue about maga. don't come here this morning and start wining about abortion. stand up and do your job. get in the trenches and fight. >> joining me now is congressman hakeem jeffries, house minority leader. leader jeffries, thank you so much for being here on this busy night. i am struck by the ways in which republicans are in both a state of shock and denial. it has come to my attention in the last hour senator lindsey graham says he plans to reintroduce his 15-week abortion ban. senator j.d. vance agrees with the introduction of this bill saying he believes they can get a majority of the american people onboard with something. what is your reaction to senate republicans who think the answer to last night's problems is to double down on an abortion ban? >> we're dealing with extreme maga republicans who have one objective which is to jam the right-wing ideology down the throats of the american people. and fundamentally what that has meant is that they want a nationwide abortion ban. what the extreme maga republicans want to do is criminalize abortion care. what they want to do is to create a society where women have to live in a place with government mandated pregnancies. and so this issue is one that we'll see them continue to double and triple and quadruple down on because it's fundamentally why many of them are in elected office. we're going to continue to make clear that we believe in a woman's freedom to make her own reproductive health care decisions and reproductive freedom will certainly be on the ballot next november just like it was this november. >> they seem to think, leader jeffries, that there's some -- that there's some difference that the american public sees in a ban versus a 15-week, what they call limit, or at least that's what virginia governor youngkin calls it. and despite the results of last night, they keep hammering down on this notion that the public sees a difference between giving a woman reproductive freedom for an entire pregnancy and just part of the preg faens. what is your response to that specific strategy? >> well, abortion care should be a choice between a woman and her doctor, period, full stop, not these extreme politicians who are trying to jam their ideology into this incredibly important sensitive health care decision that a woman should be able to make. that's what freedom in america is all about. and the american people as was evidence in kentucky and ohio and certainly in virginia are not fooled by the republican efforts to defend what they fundamentally are trying to do, which is to try to eradicate reproductive freedom in america. as the former president has indicated, that was their agenda, why they stacked the supreme court, and now they've got to live with the consequences of extremism being made clear to the american people. >> i know you've been fired up about this particular topic. i know the mood inside the house democratic caucus has been one of -- i'd let you characterize it, but but it's a positive day for the democrats in the house. but i do have to ask you because there's been some certain amount of hand wringing by democrats about president biden's chances. and i wonder how last night was linked to president biden or whether those results were more testament to the strength of the democratic platform? >> well, president biden continues to be underestimated, and president biden continues to exceed expectations. he's not just the leader of our country, the leader of the free world but the leader of the democratic party. but yet what we've seen under president biden's leaderships fundamentally is incredible things being done to the american people and also to point out that president biden may be on the ballot. he supports reproductive freedom. he supports social security and medicare. he supports democracy. he supports building an economy from the middle out and bottom up. and whoever appears on the ballot on the other side of the aisle, is just going to try to jam their extreme ideology down the throats of the american people. there will be a clear contrast, we believe, with president biden at the top of the ticket. and as he has consistently shown, we will do what is necessary to win electorally and to continue to deliver results for the american people. >> i want to hang onto something you said. you said we need to lean into the president's accomplishments. what does that practically mean to you? >> well, we of course have been busy governing in the previous congress, producing results for the american people. but we need to talk about what we've been able to do. clean water in every single community, infrastructure, gun legislature for the first time in 30 years, the chips and science act which brings domestic manufacturing jobs back home to the united states of america. certainly through the inflation reduction act, dramatic investment in combating the climate crisis and lowering the price of insulin $35 per month. it's important we talk about these accomplishments not to say to the american people reward us, but we do want to be able to articulate what we've done to say trust us. we mean what we say and we say what we mean when we talk about putting people over politics and making life better for every day americans. and if you give us the ability to continue to govern, we will build on these accomplishments to make life better for hardworking american taxpayers. >> as you lay out the laundry list, there's a lot of governing democrats have done, which brings me to the cliff we're all barrelling towards, the government shutdown in nine days, we had a deadline. you had your first meeting with the new speaker of the house mike johnson a week ago. how are your discussions going across the aisle? and what's your impression of speaker johnson? >> well, from the very beginning of this congress under prior management and now with speaker johnson, we made clear that we are going to as democrats try to find common ground with our house republican colleagues whenever and wherever possible in order to improve the quality of life for the american people. however, we're going to push back against their extremism whenever necessary. and one of the ways in which we've seen their extremism manifest itself throughout this year and prior years is the republican attempt to shut the government down or to try to extract these extreme policy proposals that they know they can't otherwise achieve through the normal legislative process. and as has been the case in past years, we are not paying a single extreme republican ransom note. we're going to defend the american people. and what we need to do is to make sure that we continue to fund the government so the government can provide for the health, the safety and the economic well-being of the american people. we're willing to have reasonable bipartisan conversations, but we're not going to be subject to any extortion effort that is designed to shakedown the american people by threatening us with a government shutdown. >> just to get a bit in the weeds does that mean you're not going to vote for anything that's not on a clean continuing resolution? >> well, certainly my view is that a continuing resolution should reflect the spending levels at the current fiscal year 2023 numbers. and to the extent we arrive at a year-end spending agreement, that should also be consistent with the bipartisan agreement fiscal act. alex, basically what we're saying to republicans is that you made an agreement with president biden. set top line spending numbers. keep your agreement. keep your word so that we can do what is necessary for the american people. >> i mean you lay out the facts of what has happened, and yet this house republican conference is shall we say unpredictable. do you think speaker johnson is any good at this? >> well, listen, i think that he believes what he believesa then tickicly. and we've had a cordial relationship and i hope that will continue but there is a clear blue line in the sand we'll continue to draw in terms of some of their extremism. we're not going to let them cut social security and medicare. we're not going to let them undermine reproductive freedom. we're not going to let them blow up our democracy, and we're going to try to make sure we're building an economy that works on the middle class and all those who aspire to be part of it. if they're willing to meet us in a bipartisan way in that space, we can really make changes for people. >> we focus a lot on the infighting inside the house republican conference, but there's most certainly been a fracture over the house democratic caucus over israel and hamas and what is happening in gaza. in the 2022 election cycle you started something called team blue pack to raise money to defend incumbent democrats against primary challenges. outside groups are threatening to primary incumbent democrats who threaten a cease-fire. there are a number of incumbents in your caucus. are you going to dedicate resources to defending those democratic incumbents? >> many of those individuals are people who i've clearly indicated i'm going to support. all of our members from whatever part of the conference or caucus they come from in terms of their ability to be able to communicate with the people that they represent, that's what house democratic leadership has traditionally done. that's what house democratic leadership should continue to do. >> so that's a yes? >> absolutely. >> house minority leader hakeem jeffries on the record being straight up, we appreciate it. sir, thank you for your time. please come back whenever you have the inclination, the energy, and the availability. i really appreciate . protecting abortion rights helped propel a wave of victories for democrats last night, and the issue is already shaping up to be front and center in 2024. senator amy klobuchar joins me on that last night. former white house press secretary robert gibbs joins me to discuss the lessons for democrats right after the break. stay with us. for democrats right after the break. stay with us i got this $1,000 camera for only $41 on dealdash. dealdash.com, online auctions since 2009. this playstation 5 sold for only 50 cents. this ipad pro sold for less than $34. and this nintendo switch, sold for less than $20. i got this kitchenaid stand mixer for only $56. i got this bbq smoker for 26 bucks. and shipping is always free. go to dealdash.com right now and see how much you can save. you want to be able to provide your child with the tools or resources they need. with reliable internet at home, through the internet essentials program, the world opened up. fellas, fellas. that's how my son was able to find the hidden genius project. we wanted to give y'all the necessary skills to compete with the future. kevin's now part of this next generation of young people who feel they can thrive. ♪ ♪ republicans did not have a good night last night. not only did voters come out swinging in support of abortion rights, the evening proved to be a referendum on other big ticket conservative priorities. remember moms for liberty? the group that's led the republican charge on the so-called anti-woke agenda in schools? well, last night all four candidates endorsed by moms for liberty in one minnesota district lost to democrats. in north carolina, the candidate the group supported in a contested district also lost to a democrat. in iowa 12 of the 13 candidates backed by moms for liberty were wiped out. in pennsylvania democrats won against 11 candidates aligned would the moms for liberty platform. and in virginia three moms for liberty candidates lost by a lot. so the fairly clear indications that voters are turning away from the book bans and revisionist histories that conservatives have sought to redefine as parental rights movement, well, it's, yes, fairly clear and there is more. last night virginia elected the state's first transgender state senator. ohio voters supported a measure to legalize marijuana. and in kentucky a ruby red state, voters elected an abortion supporting vaccine promoting democratic governor again. as ronald brownstein writes in the atlantic a clear message from the party's performance yesterday is that democrats can still win elections by running campaigns that prompt voters to consider what republicans would do with power. joining me now is robert gibbs, former white house press secretary under president obama. robert, it's a thrill to have you here today and in person in new york city. welcome and thank you. first of all, what do you make of ron brownstein's contection this is really about a repudiation of republican governance and an affirmation of the republican platform? >> think about where we were two years ago watching glenn youngkin win the governorship, watching new jersey almost go red, and i think what you saw last night was a clear repudiation of the two years of that type of government, that type of culture war. we see it in the house of representatives right now talking about hakeem jeffries. i mean for 17 days you couldn't even get enough people or enough leadership to rename to post office. i do think like you saw with choice, you see with democracy, but writ large extremism, it's just too much. it's been surprising to me that ron desantis has run an entire presidential campaign on thing that poll somewhere between 35 and 38%, and that's just not a way to certainly win an election and definitely no way to govern, and i am say i'm happy with some of those results particularly as the product of two librarians. >> i do need to ask you about a sort of -- the sort of ghost of christmas future hanging over all of this, which is how this translates to biden. i mean there's been a lot -- i talked to leader jeffreys about this momentarily at the end of that first block, but there's real concern on the part of democrats look at biden's approval numbers and just how voters are rating him on economy. even his lead on abortion is not as big as you would expect it to be. do you think there's any question about how biden, if you will, sort of rides the coattails of democratic policy? >> well, i think you mention this with leader jeffries, too, i think the first thing they have to do is they have to do a better job defining what's been done, right? and i think particularly on the economic side, i think the administration has sort effbit into the trap we had to be careful of in 2008, 2009, into 2012 and that is economic statistics can be better and yet people don't feel better off, right? if you're trying to borrow money for a house or car right now, you don't feel like america is back, right? so i think there's an economic plank that has to get done, but i have no doubt that the polling and the electorate -- the polling i think will change and the electorate i think will get focused when the campaign happens. it would explain last night. last night was the culmination of the 2023 campaign, can we saw the grades when the contrast was put in front of voters. look at a place like virginia, very focused on the issue of choice and abortion. i think when that happens writ large particularly in the six swing states that democrats are rightly nervous about, that when we focus those choices and put them directly in front of voters whether it's these governance issues, on democracy, on the economy, then i do think there's definitely a path for president biden to be re-elected. >> do you -- i kind of think that part of the reason trump seems less repugnant if not actually attractive to some voters is because he's basically been muzzled on his most xenophobic offensive language because he's in focused on his criminal exposure. he's been sort of in the courtrooms. he hasn't been the sort of unleashed demagogue that he has been in previous years, and there might be some sort of he's getting a mulligan for that almost. it sounds like especially when you look at his approval among voters of color it sort of begs the question how and why this could happen. do you think that could change once trump is back? he'll be in a lot of courtrooms next year, too, but once he's on the stump in a more pronounced way? >> yeah, i definitely think so. >> it definitely was. but i also think about stuff he's barely campaigning, occasionally campaigning, playing a lot more golf and as you said visiting a lot more courtrooms and spending more time with lawyers. i certainly think when people get to see that again and see it up close and to see it, people feel and felt the chaos of every news cycle being something just a little bit crazier. and when that merry-go-round stops a little bit, you sort of forget it was a scary round. but i think once we get back up on that merry-go-round. >> that merry-go-round is a little benign. >> that is true. once that is sped up, i think people will get that, see that. campaigns were important last night, and this campaign is going to be tremendously important. putting that choice in front of people, being the president, making those decisions, having to have trump talk about what he would be doing, i mean this is a guy who just a few weeks ago was remarking about how smart hezbollah was. i think if we spend a week more on that, that's not going to age well for somebody like donald trump. >> one more for you just about the biden campaign. there is something happening right now that i will not talk about that rhymes with the word smebate and happening down in florida. there is a dark branding exercise happening. i feel like it's worth talking about the dark brandon meme not because it's funny but because it's kind of the biden campaign's rebuttal to the age question around biden. look how experienced he is, his aviator shades. >> i think it's part of it. an entire chant created to cover up a series of por joratives about being president. great to be a chip on your shoulder. great you want to call me that, let's sell some merchandise. i think there's no doubt this is an important election and people are going to have important questions about age and experience. and i think the biden campaign and president biden are going to have show each and every day the vigor and energy they need. i think if the american people see what they've seen in the last few weeks and the vitality and the energy from the response at the initial terrorist attacks by hamas, you know, he looked a bit different. he had kind of a different energy to him. i have a sense that that energy is going to hit when he's in a campaign as well because he got into this for big reasons, right, protecting the soul of america. that's as big as it gets. again, i think when that choice comes, and i think when you kick into the gear of a campaign, my preference would be let's start having these contrasts now, right? even i think we have a pretty good sense of what's happening in florida tonight is for second place, right? and we know who the nominees are going to be. the stage is somewhat set. i think we saw this in 2012 because we started it very early with then-governor romney, putting a frame around him, making people understand that his economic vision and president obama's economic vision was very different. one got us into this mess and one was going to get us out of this mess. and they've got to start doing that as well. >> dark brandon rises. robert gibbs, thank you for your time and wisdom. it's great to see you. coming up later this hour donald trump likes to say some of the activities he's now criminally indicted for, that he carried them out on the advice of his lawyers. how that argument inside a courtroom exposes him to a new mountain of legal peril. but first republicans are saying the quiet part out loud again. more on that next. we planned well for retirement, but i wish we had more cash. you think those two have any idea? 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cirkul is the fuel you need to take flight. cirkul is the energy that gets you to the next level. cirkul is what you hope for when life tosses lemons your way. cirkul. it's your water, your way. you put very sexy things like abortion and marijuana on the ballot, and a lot of young people come out and vote. it was a secret sauce for disaster in ohio. i don't know what they were thinking, but that's why thank goodness that most of it states in this country don't allow you to put everything on the ballot because pure democracies are not the way to run -- >> that was former republican senator rick santorum saying the quiet part out loud. democracy is not good for his party. constitutional amendments to protect abortion access are already on the 2024 ballots in maryland and new york. and ballot initiatives to protect abortion access, to limit it or ban it altogether, initiatives that put abortion on the ballot literally, those have already been proposed in arizona, colorado, florida, iowa, nebraska, pennsylvania, south dakota, and washington. what a list. joining me now is senator amy klobuchar, democrat from the great state of minnesota. senator, thank you so much for being with us tonight. i am very eager to hear your thoughts. it feels like we are at the sort of culmination of a long and very hard tart war over what choice means. i want to call your attention to some research that was conducted by a group that was working for effectively i believe republicans. the term pro-life this group concluded is perceived as support for a flat ban on abortion without any exceptions. the most restrictive anti-abortion position. by contrast pro-choice is seen as more middle of the road. that to me seems like a really big, big, big deal and perhaps explains what happened last night. >> sure. i think, you know, once again the voters of this country in some very red state defied the pundit. they defied all these predictions, and they came out and said we want to stand up for our own freedoms, whether it's the freedom to vote but in this case the freedom for women to make their own decision about their health care and not have it made by a bunch of politicians. that's what last night was about. and you look at those numbers in a state like ohio and how that bodes, by the way, for my friend sherrod brown who is such a champion for workers, a champion for people, and how he stood up for the freedom to make your own decisions about your health care from the very beginning. and then you go over to kentucky where that ad of course it's governor beshear's incredible work and how he's delivered results. the girl when she was 12 years old was raped by her stepfather, she basically looks at the camera so honestly and so painful ein the searing moment and says to beshear's republican opponent, and so you're going to tell me i had no options. you're going to tell me that i'm supposed to be a victim of rape and carry the rapist's baby? that's basically what that ad was about. so i think my reaction to all of of this is every time this has been directly been on the ballot seven times when reproductive freedom has been on the ballot the voters whether it is in kansas or ohio or that supreme court race in wisconsin, time and time again in the middle of the prairie have made it clear they stand up for freedom, and the republicans aren't backing down, alex. they are doubling down on their position. >> yet to that end why is lindsey graham talking about reintroducing a 15-week abortion ban less than 24 hours after his own party effectively has been handed its luncheon that thing? you just see this time and time again. national bans, you see them talking about criminalizing doctors, certain candidates and certain states introducing laws to do such a thing. you have medical professionals saying we don't know what to do anymore. you had that horrible case with that young girl, a victim of incest who had to go to another state. people are watching this. they understand what's going on here, so i am very committed to the fact that our party, the democratic party is, yes, stands up for freedoms, but there's something else about last night we haven't covered as much in last 24 hours, and that is that it was about delivering results. you looked at what beshear talked about in his own campaign, it was a lot about infrastructure. if you're trying to extrapolate this into the next election in the presidential year, yes, it's about standing up for freedoms but also about delivering results. my favorite example, there's a county in eastern kentucky that governor beshear himself had lost by 8 points in the last election. he worked on a federal project there on a roadway, and he was able to get that project and deliver for that county, and he went up at a 12-point swing and won it by 4. and it's a local project you probably haven't heard of, alex, probably haven't talked about on your program, but it's an example of what's been happening. and democrats are going to be able to show with the bipartisan infrastructure law, with the inflation reduction act, that we delivered, and also on prescription drug prices, people want to hear about that. they don't want to hear about losing their freedoms. they don't want to hear about suppressing the vote or banning books. i think danica rome said it best in their race in virginia when she won it against all odds, the first trans member elected in the house of delegates in the commonwealth of virginia. and when she won last night in her victory speech, i don't know if you saw it, but she said the voters have shown they want a leader who will prioritize fixing roads, feeding kids and protecting our land instead of stigmatizing trans kids or taking away our civil rights. that's what last night was about. >> do you at all worry about the fact that abortion is -- it's proved to be such a powerful attractant to get people to the polls and yet it's clear that the economy and those basic sort of infrastructure bread and butter, connecting the dots in terms of policy and legislation, it's hard to do both of those things, to talk about the existential threat to freedom but also to talk specifically and in a detailed fashion about legislative accomplishments. >> i think you can do two things at once and governor beshear proved that last night as did a number of governors and u.s. senators in congress that won in the mid-terms. those are the polls that count. and the fact we have this list of deliverables, we live in a results oriented business, and president biden and democrats have been delivering results. people care about the fact that the drugs, that medicare was unable to negotiate because it was handcuffed by a sweetheart deal that the pharma companies had written into law 20 years ago. now finally we're starting to negotiate less expensive drugs. for drugs like zarelto and eloquest. 9 million seniors spent $3.9 billion on those out-of-pocket costs. you talk about a party changing its policies on the republican side, instead of changing its candidates is doubling down, and then you've got the dlifbables, and that was the message. and i say to my republican colleagues there's only so much you can do with a tv ad. there's only so much you can do on messaging if your policies are off where the people of this country are. >> well, that's what we have been seeing as the election results rolled in. minnesota senator amy klobuchar, it's great to see you. thank you for your time tonight. >> when we come back, ivanka trump took her turn on the witness stand today while her father's attempt to slow down one of his criminal cases hit sort of a snag. that's next. f a snag that's next. has no idea she's sitting on a goldmine. well she doesn't know that if she owns a life insurance policy of $100,000 or more she can sell all or part of it to coventry for cash. even a term policy. even a term policy? 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>> right, so it really does especially for the ones who unlike jenna ellis, but kenneth chesebro was an unnamed unindicted coconspiratorter in d.c. you cannot rely on advice from lawyers if they happen to be your partner in crime. so all sorts of implications here. and at bottom for trump to make out the defense, it's tough to figure out how he'll prove it other than by taking the witness stand himself, so we may not see him move forward with this defense at the end of the day. >> just practically speaking january 15th as a deadline, is that a sufficient amount of time to prepare a defense given what he may claim? >> well, it's a smart date because trump agreed to that date in earlier filings with the judge. so she in essence avoided any problems on appeal. look, it gives the government a couple of months. they see this one coming from far away. and to the extent that trump wants to rely on john eastman's advice about creating fake slates of electors and telling mike pence to delay certification, government is already i'm quite confident ready to deal with that. >> joyce, there's so much to unpack. we have to leave it there, my friend. thank you for closing this out with some interesting ideas about what trump might do once he actually gets to the january 6th trial. that is our show for the evening. 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