offensive against hamas president biden tonight gave a thumbs up, and answered yes and announced that the u.s. has made any progress securing a humanitarian pause to get aid into the gaza strip. that proposed pause dominated discussions between secretary of state anthony blinken and leaders from several arab nations during the meeting in jordan today. arab leaders want an immediate cease-fire in gaza to prevent the death of civilians. however, secretary blinken warns a cease-fire would only help hamas, which the u.s. designates as a terror organization. >> it's our view that a cease-fire now would simply lead hamas in place and able to regroup and repeat what it did on october 7th. and you don't have to take my word for it. just a few days ago, a senior hamas official said that it was their intend to do october 7th again and again and again. no nation, none of us can accept that. >> meantime in washington d.c., thousands of pro palestinian protesters also demanded an immediate cease fire. the protesters also each leaders in d.c. to stop funding israel's military and calling for a path forward to create a free society for palestinians. tonight, in tel aviv, thousands of protesters held israeli flags and demanded the release of more than 240 hostages kidnapped by hamas on october 7th. that era tack left 1400 people in israel dead. and in gaza, the death toll continues to grow. moments ago, another israeli airstrike hit gaza. you can see the blast strike in gaza over the skyline, senior from southern israel. the hamas run health ministry says almost 9500 gazans have been killed since the start of the war four weeks ago. nearly 1 million and a half people have been displaced in gaza. joining me now from tel aviv, nbc news correspondent helen gorani, and nbc news foreign correspondent matt bradley in lebanon. i'll start with you. how was secretary blinken's trip to the middle east being received tonight both from arab leaders and leaders inside of israel? >> there is a big disconnect, essentially, between what secretary blinken is calling for, what arab leaders want, and what benjamin netanyahu is prepared to concede. benjamin netanyahu has been very clear. there will be no cease-fire, there will be no humanitarian pause. secretary blinken wants a humanitarian pause to allow for humanitarian aid to get through for some water, medicine, obviously fuel still off the table in order to ease the suffering of the palestinian people. as far as arab leaders in this region, the humanitarian pause amounts to no more than simply pressing the pause button, maybe perhaps easing the suffering of the palestinian people to then continue this mass bombardment campaign that they say amounts to collective punishment. and in the words of even the foreign minister who was meeting with secretary blinken today, early on in this campaign, he called what was happening in gaza genocide. so there's a huge disconnect. secretary blinken was not able to secure a humanitarian pause or any promise of anything that resembles a humanitarian policy from the israeli prime minister, and is now on his way to turkey, which has had a very public follow with israel and recalled its ambassador. so diplomatically, there seems to be a lot of work for sick secretary blinken to do, but so far, not much achieved, alicia. >> a lot of work indeed, matt, you talk to a spokesperson for hamas. what do they make of all this talk of a cease-fire? >> this particular hamas official who is the head or one of the members of the political bureau of hamas in the gaza strip, and he's here in beirut. and i spoke with him a week after he made comments on lebanese television, where he said that there wouldn't just be the one october 7th attack that shocked the world, but there would be a second and a third and a fourth. and again, this was in arabic to a middle eastern audience, so i asked him how that kind of talk of continuous attacks against the israelis was in anyway consistent with their calls for israel to stop their attacks on the gaza strip. here's our conversation. but >> how can you ask for a cease-fire, how can you ask for israel to stop their aggression when you will go on television in lebanon here last week and say that you will continue your aggression? you will continue -- >> what do you want us to do? to stop? >> if you're asking for the cease-fire. if you're asking for a cease-fire, it has to be two ways. >> we want to continue, we want to end the occupation. this is our legal right to fight against the occupation. it is according to international law, according to all of the laws in the world. and you are up, you fight against occupation. >> so to me, he was saying that essentially yes, he wants israel to stop their aggression on the gaza strip, but he doesn't see that as an obligation that something needs to happen both ways. he doesn't feel as though hamas needs to stop their attacks against israel in return. now, on the same level, we're talking about comments he made last week, again, in arabic to a middle eastern audience. that's gonna be different from what he's gonna be saying in english to a western or an american audience to channels like us. >> coming on the air, we received new video, i'm not sure if you are able to see. new explosions over the gaza strip tonight. what are you watching next as israel moves deeper into gaza? >> they've moved deeper into gaza to the point that they're encircling gaza city. so they're deep into the territory. the big question is, will they enter the city itself, because then we're talking about house to house, door to door fighting. that is still something that is perhaps being determined. their calculations are being made. but it has to be said that the amount of civilian suffering in the gaza strip has reached proportions that are having in impact outside of the realm of military calculations and into the diplomatic. what we heard secretary blinken say today reiterating once again that what israel does has to take into account civilian suffering in gaza, is really kind of a softening of the tone coming from the united states, because some of the images that were seen coming out of the gaza strip right now, you've seen also the mass demonstrations in western capitals, you've seen the complete breakdown of the relationship between the u.n. secretary general and these raley ambassador to the united nations. there is really right now a lot of pressure to do something about what is happening directly to the civilians and gaza. and the u.s. is pushing, whether or not the israeli prime minister is going to listen and heed the calls for a humanitarian pause that right now is very much an open question, alicia. >> nbc's haligonian israel for us, and matt bradley for us in lebanon. thank you both so much for getting us started. while hospitals and gaza run out of fuel, amos's hoarding fuel as it continues to attacks against israeli forces. the fuels not only used against attacks, but also to generate electricity for losses infrastructure inside gaza. and i checked, or a member of nbc news is investigative noonan joins me now. -- i was so struck when our colleague said obviously, fuel is off the table. talk to me about the rule that those demands are plain, votes in terms of getting aid in and getting hostages out. >> it's a terrific question, alicia, because fuel is central to the complex negotiations going on right now. you have more than 200 hostages who are in the subterranean world of tunnels underground and it doesn't seem that israel or the u.s. knows exactly where they are. and yet, hamas is sane, well, we'll release them if we get fuel. so hamas needs a tremendous amount of fuel to continue to operate underground. fuel goes to generators, to clean the air in the tunnels. and to provide electricity in the tunnels. that's how hamas has been able to orchestrate and create this subterranean world that is incredibly difficult for the idf to fight. so the reason that hamas continues to push for a fuel. they are using the hostages as bargaining chair chips. and this is a complex international negotiations. the qataris are involved. the u.s. is involved. and hamas is demanding fuel and the israelis are saying we cannot allow any fuel to go to hamas because they will continue to fund their war machine continue to use the fuel to go in those tunnels. the fuel, by the way, is also used to manufacture the weapons that hamas is using to fire rockets into israeli territory. >> you mentioned the hostages, and i want to ask you about that. you report that documents found on the bodies of hamas militants suggest that broadcasting atrocities online was a planned part of the attack, which killed more than 1000 civilians, women, and children. facebook bans hamas, and yet these videos have showed up on multiple platforms. what does it tell us about this moment and the challenges of social media companies not allowing videos like this to exist online. >> this moment is so unique and so unprecedented where you have hamas fighters infiltrating a village filled with civilians, taking control of these people, for sane individuals to open their facebook apps so that they can use it to livestream abductions, livestream killings, or even open up a facebook app, take a video of killing a grandmother whose bleeding out, and post it to her facebook page so that her family opens her facebook page and sees it. this kind of brutality is so unexpected and yet, for facebook, their position is there is no way we could have anticipated it. what we're seeing is the result of creating a platform where anyone can click a button and live broadcast anything. what's unique about this is that the terrorists who attacked actually took the victims phones, force them at gunpoint to open those applications, and broadcast out to their families. >> we'll have about 30 seconds left, but i want to ask you, when you've spoken with those families, what have they said? >> the trauma that they've experienced, opening their loved ones facebook feeds and watching these horrific videos of their family members dying or cowering in terror as they're being abducted, the actual act, the horrific acts that were carried out, that is beyond imagination. but then, when you're watching a video on your phone, it's so traumatic to watch that. that's what these families are telling me, that they just wish that they had not had to witness it in the way that they did. >> nbc's anna schachter. and i, thank you so much for being with us. still to come, for many jewish americans, israel's war with hamas is stretching up traumatic memories. we're gonna hear from a 97 year old holocaust survivor. and later, with their party in shambles and just days from the government shutdown, house republicans play a dangerous game with aid for israel and ukraine. but first, richard louis with the other big stories we're tracking this hour on msnbc. richard? >> thank you louisiana, good evening to you. recovery efforts now underway in northwestern nepal after a 5.6 magnitude earthquake hit friday at midnight there. authorities say at least 128 people are dead. dozens more injured. the death toll is expected to rise as communications channels are reestablished. breaking news also in the ongoing sag-aftra actors strikes. sag-aftra said it received what studios call their last, best, and final offer. union leaders say they need more time to review and respond to that offer. should they accepted, it would end up 114-day strike and a hollywood. and a toddler accidentally shot himself at a las vegas preschool. police say the gun was left at the playground by a teenage suspect after allegedly shooting another man. both the toddler and the man are hospitalized. the suspect is in custody. more american voices after this break. >> i'm richard louis again. we have some more breaking news this hour for you from the middle east. secretary of state visiting the west bank today. he met with palestinian authority mahmoud abbas. according to the state department secretary blinken reform the u.s. commitment to deliver humanitarian assistance to gaza that palestinians will not be displaced that the u.s. will continue working toward the realization -- for palestinian state. we'll have more on this breaking story later. more american voices after these messages. pneumococcal pneumonia? 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joining us now, msnbc political contributor and white house reporter eugene daniels, he co-authors playbook. also with us, msnbc political analyst, former republican congressman, david jolly. david jolly, what is mike johnson doing here? >> alicia, the legislative math is not there for johnson. we can fast forward to the government shutdown or a loss by mike johnson, that will look a lot like kevin mccarthy's passes. what we don't know is, have not johnson handle that moment. when you look kevin mccarthy ultimately would do, is strike a deal with democrats to vote for something in a democratic senate and democratic president would sign. we don't know what mike johnson would do. i would just even his move on israel, more than opening salvo, april be kevin mccarthy would have considered as well. to tie aid to something. some republican priority. the absolutely here is he actually it something that's indefensible. so that is not something that will ever be considered by the senate or signed by the president. what happens in two weeks, we just don't know mike johnson's leadership style at this point. >> eugene, i take david jolly's point about the ability to phosphoric to pour this is all go when, to either a government shutdown or a speaker removal two point oh, i think is where we are at this point. at some point it would come hard to keep track. i just wonder if your sense is any different about what it is he's trying to do here? >> i think part of it is michael johnson wants to make clear to the far-right of his party that he's willing to fight. that he's gonna get his arm twisted into doing what we kind of already know is probably gonna happen. what the congressman is saying -- i think something that folks really keep in mind is this is going, this is the house republican conference. it's kind of an island on its own when it comes to legislating at this point. has democrats, senate democrats, senate republicans and the white house are on the same page when it comes to these funding bills. a deal was struck months ago by the former speaker of the house to get this done. and i think, what i'm hearing from a lot of especially those frontline republicans in the house is that they're just sick of the drama. they don't want to have a majority that doesn't know what it's to. they don't want to be the party that looks back and say, we should have looked more like adults in the room. the fundamentals have not changed in the house republican conference over the past weeks. you still have a sizeable portion of that conference that doesn't want to get anything done and frankly will use any opportunity to say that it's basically better for them because approves their own point about politics and government. >> david, what eugene just said, republicans are saying. they're not the only ones saying that. minority leader hakeem jeffries said, all of the shenanigans in the house is part of republicans go to shutdown the government. you come back to this question though of what it is that again, not, you know the eight or however many who might actually believe that, as eugene said, if it's them, not republicans not the united states of america, not their constituents, but then the eight of them and their brand -- how do you mitigate that if you're out the rest of the republicans who might actually want to overt this? >> yeah, alicia. you are thinking far too rationally. let me introduce you to her publicans. think there are fine with the chaos. there are fine to shut down the government. they don't think there's political consequence or actually any policy consequence to that, as well. that's just a tool they believe they have. and even on some of these, what we would consider, hard right issues, beyond issues on reproductive rights, be it because on putting freedom from vladimir