this one. i am sorry for what you had to go for and go through and i'm sorry for your whole town. but my love to listen, and thank you for being with us tonight. >> i really appreciate that, early, have a wonderful evening. >> lewiston mayor. all right, i want to see what 10 am eastern tomorrow and sunday for my show, ability, upside a warning i'll be joined by the former israeli. naftali bennett, that's the last word. the 11th hour starts now. >> tonight, secretary of state anthony blinken's return trip to israel, pressing for a humanitarian pause as israeli forces continue launching targeted attacks. then, president biden's visit to maine after a mass shooting. his message to a grieving community. and an alarming wave of antisemitism across the country, causing rising tensions on college campuses. we'll speak with three students about their experiences, as the 11th hour gets underway on this friday night. >> good evening once again. i'm stephanie ruhle. there are now increasing concerns within the biden white house about how israel is carrying out the war against hamas. today secretary of state anthony blinken made his second 's visit to israel since the october 7th terror attacks, and while he reaffirmed u.s. commitment to israel, he also made the case for a pause in the fighting, even as the war reaches a crucial stage. nbc's raf sanchez as the latest from israel. >> tonight, as israelis targeting the hamas tighten wraparound gaza city, tangents between u.s. and israel over the next phase of the war. >> we need to do more to protect palestinian civilians. >> antony blinken meeting benjamin netanyahu in tel aviv, telling him the u.s. supports israel's mission to topple hamas after the october 7th terror attack that killed 1400 israelis. >> it is striking in some ways sharking that the brutality of the slaughter has receded so quickly in the memories of so many. but not in israel. and on in america. but >> also saying the u.s. supports a humanitarian pause to try to get more aid into gaza and get hard stooges held by hamas out. >> ease of each of these every could be facilitated by humanitarian causes. >> but netanyahu says no positive fading until hamas first releases its 240 hostages. i made it clear we're going full steam ahead, he says. for so many palestinian families in gaza, only possible come too late, following rescuers to what people say is an israeli strike in gaza, an area that they say is posed to be safe for civilians. it wasn't safe for a ten year old summer, pulled out from the rubble. there's nothing a father can do but pull out from the clean of her face. he carries her into the emergency room. this exhausted doctor needs only a moment to pronounce her dead. his wife and other four children are missing in the wreckage. israel's victory military did not respond to the question about a question of the. blast israel struck this ambulance near the al-shifa hospital, saying was being used by a terrorist cell. israel has previously claimed there is a secret hamas command center in beneath the hospital. the last one health ministry says over a dozen people were killed. well in lebanon leader of iranian-backed hezbollah breaking his silence, saying he doesn't want a regional war, but certainly more action against israel in coming days. >> now let's get right to nbc's ellison barber, as the latest from the israel gaza border. >> gazans northern border has been a little quiet tonight, but we are still seeing every few minutes, glows like that, one orange close in the distance, bombardments taking place inside northern gaza. we know the israeli military is march is still operating. they have flatly refused any sort of calls for a cease-fire. prime minister netanyahu said that was not something they were considering lifestyle israeli bennett hostages inside gaza released. we know is really get forces are inside gaza, pushing debris, continuing their mission, and headed towards gaza city. they fully encircle the city last night. instead of gaza city there were two different strikes that happened on ambulances traveling in the area. israel it added in saying they targeted those ambulances because they believe it is being used by hamas militants. these are they had intelligence to suggest that, that her mouth after uses ambulances to operate out over to transfer weapons. the palestinian red crescent said those were ambulances as part of a convoy headed towards the rafah body were crossing with injured patients, trying to get them toward egypt so they could receive medical care. according to the palestinian web crescent, i have ambulances left al-shifa hospital in gaza city to make their way towards the rafah border crossing. along the way the first ambulance in that convoy were struck by an israeli airstrike. the ambulance is then headed back to al-shifa hospital. there was another israeli airstrike when the ambulances once was near the gates of the hospital. that second strike, that is where the palestinian red crescent and gaza's ministry of health say at least 15 civilians were killed and up to 60 were injured. according to the palestinian red crescent, these ambulances, there were five of them, for our owned and operated by gaza 's ministry of health, hamas -run agency. the other one, v one, was operated and owned by palestinian red cross. again, they did not say were pushed back in direct terms on the hamas claim, but laid out this timeline that they are saying is an explanatory timeline of where they were headed and what they were doing. they say this was a medical mission with injured civilians being taken to egypt. the eye idf has said they will really release additional evidence to support their claims. they have not done that yet. there was a press conference in al-shifa hospital about 30 minutes before that convoy of ambulances left to start this journey. our nbc news team was there and in that the director of gaza's ministry of health tight about this mission, where these ambulances were going, and also described the route they would be taking and then all of this happens. why would israel targeted an ambulance? and that is still something we're waiting to hear more from the israeli defense force on israel's defense forces. clearly they had a legitimate reason to do this but not having enough evidence. >> ellison barber, thank you. i want to bring in jeremy bash, former chief of staff at the cia at the pentagon and a senior fellow at the globe atlantic council. he's based on reporting from. israel michael, beyond what we heard from netanyahu, where has been the reaction in israel to the white house as new concerns? >> good to be with you, and stephanie, just before i answer, that to give you an idea of how high tensions are, the anxiety is just a few hours ago before lights out, we had run those air read sirens and people just have seconds to flee and you can really feel how people are on edge here and yet unlike in ukraine when air raid silence go after you have a lot of time to seek shelter but look there is a lot of skepticism here about netanyahu from day one, the way he has handled, is in fact from months ago the buildup to this, so people number one of course they want to see those hostages released and number two they want some kind of tranquility or calm here. and thirdly, there is a huge feeling for revenge and so of course netanyahu was speaking to that but i think the feeling on the ground here is that there is no broad creative vision in how to deal with this and the other big worry for anyone you talk to is that there is no end in sight, no off ramp. and finally, if i can, netanyahu, unlike some of his military and other officials, has yet to apologize as to what happened several weeks ago so a lot of concern here. >> jeremy i want to share more about what secretary of state blinken said today. watch this. >> we've been clear that as is israel's been conducting its campaign to defeat heart hamas, how it does it matters. failure please into the hands of hamas and other terror groups. there will be no partners for peace if they are consumed by humanitarian catastrophe. >> jeremy, what do you think of his comments? do you think they are realistic? >> i think the secretary also made clear that the united states was not support a cease-fire. of course any unilateral cease-fire wouldn't work because obviously hamas continues to fire rockets at israel. it continues to hold hostages, and it continues to attack israelis. if the idf stopped going after hamas terrorists, and they could move hostages around, they could continue to fire rockets into israel, they can continue to wage war. now the secretary did say he supports a localized may be very -- suspensions in some of the military activity, calling it a humanitarian pause so it can be delivered. but it has been hamas that has prevented the aid from being delivered. they diverted the aid. they steal the oil and gas. they use that to fuel not just the al-shifa hospital, which might be of beneficial use, but also the ventilation system for the house for the hills where the hostages are being held. so it puts the international community in the united states in a difficult situation. you're giving food, medicine, and fuel to a terrorist organization while they wage war on an ally. we've already killed 30 americans in their holy more americans hostage. so i don't think a pause or a cease or a stoppage unilaterally by israel's realistic. we would not have done that after 9/11, as we've talked about on the show. this attack proportionally speaking was 50,000 americans being killed as opposed to 3000 in 9/11. >> michael, you know firsthand what it's like in gaza. you've worked with aid organizations. and even before the war broke out, it was extraordinarily difficult there. but now, when you think about how great humanitarian needs are, even if they get more aid in, to jeremy's point, how really get to the people who need it? it's emasculate that happen? >> yeah, you know, we spent a lot of time in the gaza strip in those days. i can still see the faces of those children that we worked with, that we helped with psychosocial and other activities for unicef. i have to say one thing, stephanie, before i answer your question. a lot of, for, example the mothers we talked to, all we want is for our kids to grow up in peace, to get a good education, and go into great work. the there are several problems here, but one of, them in terms of the israeli side is, yes, if you have a pause of any sort, it will help hamas to regroup and resupply. but you know what? i mean, i've worked with the u. n. in nearly conflict zones around the world. i just spent almost two years in ukraine. and there are done creatively. there are opportunities to get aid in. even in the most difficult circumstances. the international committee of the red cross is an expert and working on both sides. they have a lot of experience. even with other frog groups, for example in south america, days of tranquility or humanitarian pauses have been able to be arrange successfully to do things like vaccinations. so it shouldn't be off the table. but i think the other thing that is happening is, there is very little wiggle room left for israel here because a lot of allies, a lot of neighbors are demanding this. heads of u. n. agencies are saying people including myself, where it a loss for words to describe what is happening there. something needs to be done, but it needs to be a very solid guaranteed pies and military activity for this to happen. >> guaranteeing anything in the time of that we're living in is almost impossible. jeremy, the israeli military says they have gaza city surrounded. if that is the case, what do you think happens next? >> i think this is the point, stephanie, which is, for several days the united states and other players on the international stage received israel, the process in your targeting. don't just conduct air strikes from a standoff distance. so israel heated off that advice. we now know israel listen carefully to american military advisors. now they're on the ground precisely because ground operations are more precise. you can dismount your infantry. you know disperse if it places, specific, rumors fall up follow-up on specific leads. you know two weapons caches. the fact there on the ground, i think, we will see more precise counterterrorism operations inside gaza city. but again, if they were deposed and put down their guns for a day, they would be sitting ducks. it would make absolutely no sense. and in fact i would argue will be in a possibility. it would invite more aggression and more war. a mass doesn't follow the wall the laws of war. neither did al-qaeda. neither did i. s. i. s.. neither does boko haram or al-shabaab. you can negotiate with these new gauche organizations. you have to degrade them to the point where they don't threaten you. then they will have to capitulate or stop being a threat to you. that's what we did against al-qaeda, against i. s. i. s.. >> jeremy bash, thank you so much for being here always. michael bociurkiw, great to meet you, i appreciate having your insights this evening. when we come back, president biden visits the site of another mass shooting in america. we'll speak with the father of the victim, and what you told the president earlier today. and later, three jewish college students are here to talk about the rise in antisemitism on campuses around the country. it is a conversation you do not want to miss. we need to hear what is going on. the 11th hour, just getting underway on a very serious friday. the power goes out and we still have wifi to do our homework. and that's a good thing? great in my book! who are you? no power? no problem. introducing storm-ready wifi. now you can stay reliably connected through power outages with unlimited cellular data and up to 4 hours of battery back-up to keep you online. only from xfinity. >> the war in israel and gaza home of the xfinity 10g network. is thousands of miles away, yet it is having a tremendous impact here in the u.s., with antisemitism on the rise. especially of all places, on college campuses. protests and violent threats are raising tensions and fears amongst students. here's my colleague, stephanie got, with more. >> at tulane university's campus in new orleans, jewish students organized a unity rally. the scene, a far cry from what took place last week. just off campus, a clash between pro israel students and a pro palestine group. >> it was terrifying. >> second year law student, ryan's the most, is jewish. he shot the video. >> these really flag was being burned. a tulane a student attempted to grab the flag before a fire broke out. >> a two lane student was hailed -- three others who don't attend the university were arrested. >> the violence that occurred outside of our campus was horrific. and we condemned it -- >> tulane president michael fitz says people came to campus to incite violence. is it possible to have a fair minded debate on this war that doesn't descend into hate speech and threats or violence? >> the promise of a university is exactly that. to engage in those conversations. that's what we are about. mutual respect. >> and tonight, we want to hear from the young people experiencing this antisemitism phenomenon. i want to bring in three jewish college students. yola ashkenaze, she's a senior at barnard college. bella ingber is a junior at new york university, and amanda silberstein, a sophomore at cornell. she studied in -- for a year after high school. ladies, thank you all for being here. i just want to start, i turn to first, bella, how are you? >> well, first of all, thank you so much for having us, and giving us the opportunity to share our story. i'm heartbroken. i'm scared. and i'm shocked at the rising antisemitism that we've seen following hamas's brutal attack on innocent israeli civilians on october 7th. i'm shocked by the university's lack of enforcement of its school policies, regarding antisemitism. jewish students are scared. they are consistent protests, and rallies, in washington square park. that are under the guise of pro palestinian, and yet a lot of the chants are consistently calling for a globalized antifa, which has historical significance being violence towards jews. calling for bloodshed of jews. and the extermination of jews. i've been hearing calls for gassed the jews, hitler was right. i'm the granddaughter of holocaust survivors. hearing these words throw not around in such a careless way is harmful. for its harmful. and the biggest proponent of free speech. i think it's important, i think that it's an amazing value that the university has been enforcing for a very long time. it's amazing, the country, it's the united states of america. free speech is one of our most valued rights. but what scaring me is the line between free and hate speech is becoming extremely blurred. these are calls for violence towards jews. these are not calls for peace. these are not calls for palestinian rights. these are calls for the blood of jews to be shed. and that is what is scaring me the most. historically, it doesn't take much to spark antisemitism. we know that from the holocaust. this is how it started, with propaganda, with antisemitic rhetoric. and it needs to be stopped. >> you guys are just college girls. right, did you ever think that you would be back on campus, it's the fall semester, you are going to football games, you're thinking about planning spring break. that this is what your life would be like. >> no. not in 1 million years. i think a lot of people don't understand the hurt that we are feeling after october 7th. every single jew on campus, and every single israeli knows someone who is affected by this. knows someone who was either taken hostage or someone who was killed on october 7th. if they don't know, it's just one degree removed. so we are all just morning. we are all hurting. we all experience such a great loss of life that no one at 20 or 21 or 22 years old should experience and then to come to campus and just hear people continuing this rhetoric of -- >> did you ever think that those feelings, this hate, even existed on your campus? >> no. no. i didn't. i've never encountered it. my peers and class -- >> that's what's so extraordinary to me. >> i think that what's -- growing up, i heard stories, i heard horror stories. entire towns turning on the jews, giving up their jews. peers that were assumed to be faithful to their friends, loyal to their friends, their fellow german citizens, polish citizens, turning as soon as the blame was put on jews. as soon as violence towards jews began. >> but those were stories you thought just your grandparents listen to. >> exactly. i'm from new york. we have one of the largest jew populations in the world. i never thought that antisemitism would reach new york. i was naive, i think, about these were stories. i never assumed that they would be my reality. that is extremely devastating and it's heartbreaking to hear my peers who are advocates, always, for social justice issues, advocating on behalf of minorities, when jews are called into question. when it's the jews that are being persecuted, that are being threatened for their lives. there is silence. and they're sad, because advocacy here, it's selective advocacy. there's blindness, selective blindness. it's heartbreaking. >> amanda, are you starting to feel like diversity and inclusion, which is such an important idea for so many of us, is suddenly not including you? >> 100%. over the past few weeks at cornell, there is been a surge like never before in antisemitic acts. and professor saying they're exhilarated by hamas's actions, that even following the arrest and arraignment of a student who posted direct threats to slit the throats of jews on campus, to throw them off cliffs, to bomb their living facilities, and the owner coaching darling hall and campus. even after all that, professors are still spreading untruths and propaganda about israel in their classes, which directly affects our jewish community. professors have been showing videos about why israel is committing genocide in their courses. without substantiating it with really any evidence at all. and telling students that who say they sympathize with the israeli citizens, and their horrific loss of life, and the atrocities committed against them. professors are telling their students that they are the real oppressors. and that israel deserved what came to them. in classes, even yesterday, after the student who sent these death threats to my entire community, this is still happening, today. >> why do you think university leaders aren't doing anything? we could say peace or politics in the middle east are complicated. but antisemitism is not complicated. >> just two days ago, president rosenberry of barnard created a task force combatting antisemitism. something that i'm grateful for, something that is unfortunately very necessary right now. right now, there are protesters protesting that task force. protesting an email that she wrote denouncing hamas's actions. they think she's not doing enough to combat islamophobia. she's not doing enough for everyone else. when all she did was write an email, saying that antisemitism is not okay. and people think that is bad. that's black and white to me. antisemitism is not okay. and that's it. but people, students on my own campus, they are politicizing this. they are making this into something that it is not. it's -- i feel scared and threatened on my college campus and people are turning it into an israel palestine issue, when that is what's at the root of this, that is what started this, but it's jew hatred. it's plain old jew hatred. and they're getting away with it. >> i'm so sorry. cornell, barnard, and nyu, amanda, i'm guessing that you three ladies all attend your dream colleges. i'm guessing cornell was your number one pick, and you applied early. and it sounds like right now, you are experiencing absolute hell. are you actually questioning being at that school right now? a school that i'm guessing you dreamed and worked your asked off to attend? >> it's a difficult question to answer. my sister attended cornell about ten years ago. the jewish community was very small, not as unified as it is today. and it has really, really grown a tremendous amount. it's something that all of the jews on campus are truly proud of. the fact that we are all putting up a unified front is really something that we are proud of. this is a very, very difficult time for our community. we are scared to walk outside. we are scared to go to -- on shabbat. we are scared to be ourselves. and speak up in a class. it's truly a terrifying time. but i think that having fewer jews on these campuses is giving in, and allowing them to win. i think that the story of the jewish people is one of the constantly persecuted, and having propaganda being propagated all over the place, and just having pervasive antisemitism really consumed the world. in the face of it, all we have to remain strong. we've proved before that we are resilient. a lot of what is happening on my campus is evoking a really visceral reaction. within me, to what my grandfather experienced growing up in poland, and surviving auschwitz. the only thing to do is to fight back. to persevere, and show that we are stronger than everyone's hate. >> we are all impressionable, young people, especially. you are students. you are at this point in your life when you are here to learn. this information is one of the roots of this problem. so, where are you, as a college student, where are you getting a lot of your information about all of this from? do you think misinformation is one of the reasons that maybe your classmates have become so hostile? maybe they are just misinformed. >> i think that, yes, -- >> i'm not making an excuse for. >> no, of course not. i do think there's some misinformation. i also think this is something that must have been bubbling under the surface. for so many people to rally so quickly to condemn a country, before israel even launched its ground response to hamas's attack. people were already taking to celebrate to the streets. new york citizens, and nyu students, and nyu professors took to the streets not even four days after the attack to protest for the palestinian people. four days after. israel had done no ground response yet. so right there, you see this anger towards the jewish people, towards the jewish state, already ready to go, boiled up. i do think there's a lot of misinformation at the hand of these professors as well. when i go to a closet and why you, i'm sitting listening to my professor. i assume he's an expert in his field. for them to be spreading such mention formation, that is extremely harmful. the cause i assume that the other students in my classroom feel the same way that i do. that this professor is informed about all issues that they are speaking about. so, they are a voice of authority. for them to be consistently spreading harmful misinformation to their students, without evidence to back up, that is extremely dangerous, and i've been experiencing a lot of professors, and my peers as, well trying to contextualize and to justify a terrorist attack. to contextualize it into justify it. there is a group formed with over 200 nyu professors, called faculty for justice in palestine. they, in their letter, they wrote that they condemn hamas's attack, but they understand that this was an important part of the palestinian resistance. that is the premise of their letter. they condemned the attack in one sentence, but in the same, they justify, a try to contextualize the intentional slaughter of innocent civilians, in kidnapping over 230 israeli citizens. mothers, children, the elderly, their nine-month-old babies that were taken by hamas. and not only israeli civilians to. that is what's extremely harmful as well. if these professors can spread such misinformation, and then on top of, it can text realize and try to justify a terrorist attack, who's to say that they can't condone and try to contextualize violence for everything? >> these professors know better. they know that this is not palestine versus israel. they know that this is hamas, a terrorist group. those professors also know that two things can be true. there can be a humanitarian crisis in gaza, as we speak, and at the same time, a brutal terror attack was carried out for these innocent jews three weeks ago. given all of this, even on your campus, when you now have people protesting the formation of a group against antisemitism. given this moment in time, what is the path forward? do you see one? >> i don't know. truly, i don't know what the path forward is. that's why i'm here. that's why i am screaming from the roof tops that jewish too dense are not okay. that's why i'm trying to tell as many people as i can that the rape of women and the slaughter of babies is not resistance, it's not justified. like bella just said, there is no context that we could give in order to justify this. and like bella, there are professors on my campus, a professor published something that said that hamas's actions were awesome. awesome. full stop. >> does that professor still have a job? >> that professor is tenured. that professor is who is teaching people like me 18 year olds, about the middle east. in what world is that okay? in what world is raping women and taking them to be paraded through the streets of gaza okay? this isn't about what israel's response -- this was published not even a week after hamas's attack. before israel started retaliating. you want to talk about the humanitarian crisis in gaza? let's talk about it. >> it's horrible. if you have people you love in gaza, come morn with me. we want the same thing. but saying that what hamas did was awesome, -- >> amanda, cornell is experiencing -- you are among the worst. when i think about your fellow student who has charged this week, the threats he made, against jewish men and women on your campus, do you see a path forward? >> it's definitely difficult. i mean, hosting threats to my community in under -- even perceived anonymity. there are really no words to describe what he said. although some people think that he may have made those threats based on his own feelings of isolation and depression, it is evident that they stemmed from the universities program of indoctrination, and propaganda on the issue has created the environment that enabled him to make those comments. to think that he could get away with them. it is truly shocking. what's happening on campus right now, i have no words. >> i am so grateful that you are all here today. i am amazed by your poise, your grace, your bravery. i want you to know how sorry i am i'm, you are in college. the last thing in the world -- no one should experience this. but college, you should all just be having the most joyous, fantastic experience. i am so, so terribly sorry to all of you. yola, bella, amanda, thank you all for being here. we will be right back. >> thank you. >> coming up, president biden, grieving families in lewiston, maine, after last week's tragic mass shooting. the father of one of those victims was there, joins me next. our coverage continues. ah, these bills are crazy. she has no idea she's sitting on a goldmine. well she doesn't know that if she owns a life insurance policy of $100,000 or more she can sell all or part of it to coventry for cash. even a term policy. even a term policy? even a term policy! find out if you're sitting on a goldmine. call coventry direct today at the number on your screen, or visit coventrydirect.com. >> president biden was in lewiston, maine, earlier today, grieving with the families of victims of last week's tragic mass shooting. >> 18 precious souls stolen, 13 wounded. children, grandchildren, spouses, siblings, parents, grandparents, bowling coaches, union workers. beloved members and advocates and friends of lewiston deaf and hard of hearing community. too many americans have lost loved ones, or survived gun violence. i know consensus is only possible. we this is about common sense. reasonable, responsible measures to protect our children. our families and our communities. because regardless of our politics, this is about protecting our freedom. to go to a bowling alley, a restaurant, a school, a church, without being shot and killed. maine authorities released some information on the month leading up to the shooting, including the suspect's own family contacting ally enforcement with their concerns. threats he made against his army reserve unit that led to a two-week stay at a psychiatric hospital, and an unsuccessful police wellness check. about a month before the attack, one of the alleged gunman's former colleagues texted police about his concerns, saying this, quote, he's messed up in the head. he refuses to get help. the i believe he is going to snap and do a mass shooting. joining me now, on the phone, auburn city council, for -- his son's was killed in that mass shooting, leroy, i am so sorry for your loss it has been a week since you lost joe and this afternoon you went to speak to the president of the united states. what did you tell them? >> actually, he came up to us and first, introduced himself of course. then told us how sorry he was. saying it was a terrible thing that happened in our community, and was actually very sorry about it. i actually didn't say a whole lot back to him. i just wanted him to meet my family, which my daughter-in-law it was with me, her two children, now that have lost our dad and her husband. and me, my son. i guess kind of introduced to they were, and we spoke to each one of them. they spoke back. but it was all heartfelt. there was nothing about the guns or rules, or regulations. none of that. it was more that he was there just to let people tried to speak their hearts, and for him to let us know that he was there. and felt really bad that something like this happened in our community. it was all heart to heart, i didn't know what to expect. from him, i thought, oh boy, here we go, the president is coming. it's probably going to be more of the old stuff. but that is nothing happened like that. it was really personal. we had, 14 15 table setup. they were set up with good seating, he sat apart at each seat dealing with the people, and talked to individuals, as well as like in my case, he talked with me and asked me who they were. i tried to say, my daughter-in-law, tracey, the wife of joe. that's the way it went. >> you know, leroy, you might not have said much to the president today, but i saw you say something on tv, earlier this week. it's why i wanted to speak to tonight. i heard you say that you, a man who lost his son in the most violent terrible way, that you cannot bring yourself to hate the shooter. the shooter that took your son 's life. i want to understand how did you find that kind of compassion in your heart? >> well, it's very difficult to do that, but i have not hated this man at all. i still don't, to this day. i've had people, many people ask me, how i can do that, it's because i have faith in my lord, and my lord is the one who is going to punish this person when it is his time. and his place. i can't hate somebody that the mind is not there, and it's not right. i don't look at it, i don't know what snapped in him. we failed, we failed here. our state failed, local people that should have been on the ball to take care of this before it got to this point. we failed. i believe the governor, our governor be, they're going to find a lot out in the task force that she's going to put together. i think it's going to tell us a lot more than we know right now. but, the system has failed us. this has been going on in our country for a long time. especially more and more in the last few years. we've got to come up with the right thing to do. it's not take away people's guns, but it sure is to stop these guns from being fired as rapidly as they are fired. i don't know, other than to say there will be no more ammunition given to us to be able to do that. or we make it so that they can only fire one bullet at a time, so we are not taking their lives away. but the firing of 60 to 90 bullets in a matter of seconds is totally ridiculous for us to be able to use these weapons. they are military style, maybe the police officers have to have them. we don't have to have them to fire that way. there has to be a way around all of this. i don't think it is saying take guns and stop you from having the right of using guns. -- we haven't done nothing about it. we just keep talking about it. it's pretty hard to blame somebody that snaps on one end, when 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