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[ laughter ] >> just missing judge watner, that smile. that's from jimmy kimmel's writers. we'll get details on the trial and show you what you said. also ahead, in the middle east, there is pressure on israel to take a humanitarian pause in its assault on hamas terrorists hiding in gaza. plus, an update on republican senator tommy tuberville's freeze on military promotions. the alabama lawmaker finally is facing public pressure from members of his own party, but you won't believe what he said this time. and we'll go through the verdict in a high-profile fraud trial for a man once known as the crypto king, now convicted on several charges. good morning. welcome to "morning joe." it is friday, november 3rd. with us, we have the host of "way too early," white house bureau chief at "politico," jonathan lemire. and president emeritus on the council of foreign relations, richard haass. let's begin with israel, where they encircled gaza city and are fighting face-to-face battles with hamas. this as air strikes hammer the territory. israel has come under increasing international pressure to at least tporarily pause the fighting with hamas. prime minister benjamin netanyahu posted on social media yesterday that troops are making progress and, quote, nothing will stop us. meanwhile, fighting along israel's northern border with lebanon is intensifying. hezbollah has claimed to attack 19 israeli military targets. israel has not confirmed that specific claim, but military officials say there have been a number of launches from lebanon, and that israel is striking back, targeting the terrorist group's infrastructure. this comes as the leader of hezbollah today is expected to make his first public address since the israel-hamas war began. it'll likely indicate the group's next moves, raising fears the war could widen from here. joining us now from jerusalem, nbc news chief correspondent richard engel. what's the latest on the ground, including israel's response to the calls for a humanitarian pause so some of the aid can get into gaza? >> reporter: so that is going to be top of the agenda it seems during the visit by secretary blinken. he's arrived and, effectively, is pushing to slow this war down. call it a pause, a cease-fire. the united states isn't calling it a cease-fire, but an effort to slow down the fighting so that we don't enter into a cycle of violence that we cannot get out of, that israel cannot get out of, that israel, the united states has run into. israeli troops, according to the military, has encircled gaza city. it's the most dense part of the gaza strip. it was home to 800,000 people at one time. unclear how many are still in gaza city, but still quite a few. they're already in street to street fighting. israel has already taken casualties. there are many, many palestinian deaths every single day according to the health ministry. the number surpassed 9,000. israel has not outlined any clear, long-term plan or exit strategy, and now we have these looming threats from the region. increased tax by iran proxies. this speech coming from the leader of hezbollah later today. it seems that the secretary of state is trying to slow it down, perhaps for cooler heads to emerge and to find, potentially, a way out of this before there is no way out of this. >> richard, i know hezbollah has regretted in the past some incursions from the north with israel. i'm curious if the expectation in israel and around the middle east is that, actually, the leader today will announce that they are going to be opening up a new front from the north or if they're simply going to express solidarity with their brothers and hamas. >> reporter: the latter. people do not expect he is going to make an adjustment, and as soon as the address is done, there will be rocket fire raining down on israel. there might be some. there could be some attacks because there have already been attacks in the last several weeks since this war has begun, but we do not expect that as soon as he makes his announcement, we will have a new, wider war all across the middle east. the thinking from hamas, as best we can understand, and from hezbollah and from hamas, is that hamas is happy to drag israel into a long-term guerrilla war in gaza. they are hoping that this will be another vietnam or another somalia for israel. if israel is willing to take this bait, go into gaza, lose troops, then the thinking from hezbollah is it will wait. it will allow israel to get sucked into a quagmire in the middle east, potentially dragging in the united states, and then it could attack at a later stage. so we are, as i said, in a very critical phase, where israel is going deeper and deeper into the gaza strip. hamas seems very happy to pull israel into this fight, regardless of the consequences for the people of the gaza strip. no matter how many people are losing their lives in gaza. thousands of people are dying in gaza no matter who is counting the numbers. it is quite obvious. >> richard, obviously, there has been a split among israelis through the years about a group of israelis who are more hard core on their belief that there doesn't need to be a two-state solution. that israel needs to be as aggressive as they can starting up settlements in the west bank. obviously, there have been a large number of israelis who also believe that they need to move toward a two-state solution. tragically, many of the people who were slaughtered on october 7th were some of those people who thought there needed to be -- that peace needed to be made with the palestinians. i'm curious, for that faction, the more moderate wing in israel, are they talking about the possibility to pull back? or is israel, and it'd be understanding, are israeli politicians where our politicians were on september 12th, 2001? >> reporter: i think you're closer to the latter. it's more politicians are where the united states was on september 12th. this government was already right wing before this happened. there were protests on the street. the right-wing israelis were in the street protesting against the government, protesting against netanyahu, because he'd formed a coalition with some of the most extreme elements in israeli society. that government, which had netanyahu and these extreme elements, and many said he was pandering to the extreme elements, trying to change laws in society, empowering extremist settlers in the west bank, provoing palestinians, that was the situation at the beginning of the conflict. now, that government, though it has expanded, including some other members to form a war cabinet, is at war. many people in israel are determined to go to war. if you remember the days after 9/11, there was a movement in the united states where people were angry. they were outraged. they were attacking muslims on the street. they were attacking people on the streets. what did they do? they ended up invading iran, which had nothing to do with 9/11. they broke the country and spent years trying to put it back together. there are voices saying, slow down. be careful what you do. don't go into a war without a long-term plan. ultimately, that debate is happening. while that debate is happening, the fighting is still under way. netanyahu is refusing any kind of cease-fire. i think it is also important not to get too hung up on the terminology. what is a pause? what is a cease-fire? to a degree, the practicality is, they're the same thing, you stop fighting. but the reason the united states says it can never have a cease-fire with hamas, or israel says it can never have a cease-fire with hamas is it dignifies hamas too much. going to 9/11, u.s. would never have a cease-fire with al qaeda or isis because the group is evil and the fight against those will go on forever. but you could have a tactical humanitarian pause with al qaeda in order to free some hostages or do some practical deal. >> right. >> but you can't give up on the principle of destroying the evil or removing them from power in the long term. there is a bit of language. you don't want to dignify the group, saying we're going into a written agreement with a group that is evil, that is holding hostages, a group that's murdered mothers and babies, a group who has shown their evil. but if there is pauses, cooler heads can prevail, get hostages out, and come up with the long-term strategy. who is going to govern the gaza strip once hamas is disarmed, if that day comes? >> right. if that day comes, richard. finally, the final question has to do with the west bank. you were in ramallah with us a couple weeks ago. we were talking to you from there. violence has sprung up between those extremist settlers and palestinians being attacked on the west bank. president biden even spoke of that in a joint press conference with the australian prime minister. is there already an understanding that even if israel achieves its goals of disarming hamas in gaza, that the extremist settlers on the west bank are going to cause a hell of a problem in moving toward that two-state solution? >> reporter: oh, they already are. since this war has begun, according to human rights groups, according to our own reporting, according to a new report from the united nations, violence by extremist settlers has increased significantly since the october 7th massacre by hamas. we saw some of it ourselves yesterday in multiple locations in the west bank. palestinians who are living there, moderate. we met an elderly couple, christian couple. they were on their land picking olives. and a group of extremist settlers came over in order to carry out revenge and started beating them up. beat up an elderly couple, then went back to their settlement, unprovoked and no repercussions. this kind of thing is happening all the time according to multiple human rights groups. that is only inflaming tensions. one palestinian activist from the palestinian authority who was beaten and humiliated told me, it's like a balloon. you push pressure. you keep inflating it, inflating it, and one day, it is going to explode. he said that there is this concern, that if that pressure from the settler violence continues, you're going to have an explosion of violence in the west bank and here in jerusalem, on top of the ongoing war against hamas in gaza. >> just so everybody who is watching knows what we're talking about right now, along with what's happening in gaza, what's been happening on the west bank has shaped israeli politics so much, and extremists on the far right have played a heavy hand in netanyahu remaining in power. many secular jews -- and if you could speak to this, richard, i know you've heard it there a lot -- many secular jews are enraged by the fact that the government has paid so much attention to these extremists, even let some of them into the government. what really angers the secular jews there, they make the most demands but are contemptuous of the military. >> reporter: so if you -- people have to understand. there is the gaza strip in the south, which is run by hamas. hamas is both a terrorist organization, has a military wing, but it also has a government function, in that it governs the gaza strip. right now, israel is in a war to remove hamas and destroy hamas in gaza. in the west bank, which is not connected to gaza, there is the palestinian authority. a far more moderate government that israel hopes will become the government for both the west bank and gaza. it's unclear if that is going to happen, but that's the idea. within the west bank, this separate territory, there are extreist settlers. the extremist settlers live in communities and, often, particularly in these days, in this climate of rage, they are leaving their settlements and attacking the palestinians around them. the government of israeli netanyahu, or prime minister netanyahu himself, formed a coalition with many of these settler leaders in order to keep himself in power, to order to form a government so he could continue to govern in country and stay in power. he's been a dominant political figure for the last 20 years. yes, secular israelis were saying, "you are pandering to the extreme right. you are giving these people too much power." now, that government is at war, and these deep fisures in society are emerging. why the timing is so critical for secretary blinken's visit right now, israeli troops have encircled gaza city. they're already in street fighting. they could enter into a much, much more dangerous phase of street fighting in gaza city. the settlers empowered by netanyahu, who are helping him stay in power, are acting in ways that are far more emboldened than they have been in the past, according to human rights groups and our own reporting. the israeli secular society that was opposed to netanyahu, opposed to these politics right now, are very concerned about what is happening here, very concerned that this country is going down a path that it'll be difficult to recover from. >> nbc news chief foreign correspondent richard engel giving us a great look at the larger picture around this war. richard in jerusalem, thanks so much. we appreciate it. richard haass, let's bring you into the conversation now. as richard mentioned, secretary of state blinken is on the ground in israel. he's expected to ask prime minister netanyahu for some measure of restraint, not a cease-fire but a humanitarian pause, then he'll go on tomorrow to jordan, where he will hear that israel needs to stop what it is doing. it needs to pull back entirely. what is the line he is walking there, and what are the options on the table here between a cease-fire, a humanitarian pause, and everything else that is being discussed? >> yeah, let's start with your second point about going to jordan. as i understand it, willie, there is no longer an israeli ambassador in jordan. the jordanians removed their ambassador from israel. what that tells us is all that's been accomplished on a positive side in the middle east is somewhat vulnerable. we shouldn't assume there can't be backsliding. jordan is a country that is predominantly palestinian and is extraordinarily worried that instability, like we're seeing in gaza, could see -- you were just talking about it with richard engel in the west bank, could ultimately spread. that's a concern, to avoid instability showinglsewhere in the middle east. in terms of what the secretary of state is trying to do, i think what we're seeing is the administration trying to come up with a -- something of a compromise position. on one hand, you have what bibi netanyahu and what this israeli war cabinet is doing, which is a large military operation, air and ground in gaza. hope idea is to remove gaza from power, essentially regime change. remove hamas from power. regime change, remove it as a military factor, occupy it, and hand it off to somebody. all sorts of questions about the feasibility of that. obviously, the costs of that are extraordinarily high in terms of civilian casualties, and the administration is worried about the blowback from that. on the other hand, in new york, you have people saying, we need an immediate cease-fire. the administration, i think for good reason, doesn't like that either. that would mean israel can't retaliate and can't deal with the continuing threat posed by hamas. so i think what you're seeing tony blinken do is begin to look for a third option, a middle path that would allow israel to continue the war, but there would be humanitarian pauses, in part to get aid in, maybe to get some hostages out. really, the administration wants israel to become much more discriminating in what it does militarily, and not think this is the sort of thing you can resolve in a week or a month of military activity. slow it down. think long term. that also gives you a chance to introduce some political dimensions to israeli policy. problem is, this israeli government is uninterested in this. i think what's going to be really interesting with secretary blinken's visit and the days after is, right now, the united states and israel have been really close since october 7th. president biden has banked an awful lot of goodwill in israel. the question is, what happens when american foreign policy begins now, some space opens up between what this administration wants and what the government of bibi wants. we're getting to that. >> there was a call for a sort-term cessation, the term they're using. we have cease-fire, cessation, pause, different terminology to try to get the hostages out for one thing, and also to get humanitarian aid. you led me to my next question. is bibi netanyahu going to be receptive to any of this? from his point of view, we have bloodthirsty terrorists. we know what they do. we saw it on october 7th. they're waiting to kill us. i'm not waiting for them to come get us. what is this? >> he's not a partner at all on that or anything else, let's be honest. indeed, it is dangerous to speculate on people's political motives, but i think, going back to your previous conversation, a lot of the mood in israel is understandably for revenge. bibi netanyahu is extraordinarily vulnerable politically over what happened on october 7th on his watch. a lot of anger against him. i believe he sees a massive military victory, quote, unquote, as the best way of changing the debate, changing the narrative in israel. so i don't see him or those around him, necessarily, being partners at all. but look, one thing that is totally predictable is the mood in israel will change. you used the comparisons before, joe did, to 9/11. the american debate changed. the support for the bush administration changed as the cost of iraq mounted, as the prospects for success diminished. that low pressure here. over time, i believe israel is on a strategy where popular support in israel will fade as the military costs go up, as this does turn into something of a protracted guerrilla conflict, and there is no partner to work with. there is no one israel can hand over authority for in gaza. the palestinian authority can barely run the west bank. they're not going to run gaza. the arab world don't want a part of this. they want to stay away from the palestinian issue. the united nations, that's not a serious outfit when it comes to coming into a situation like this. this wouldn't simply be peacekeeping, willie. this would be peacemaking. you would have continued resistance from hamas. the israelis themselves, as an occupying force, wouldn't be seen as legitimate to hand over political authority to anybody else. this is going to get increasingly, increasingly difficult. again, the administration is trying to get the israelis to think about the pace and the scale of what they're doing. bibi netanyahu is going to resist. i think that area of friction, and the question then is how far does the administration go? basically, do they start disagreeing with the israeli government in public and not just in private? then what happens? that's where i think we're heading to. >> well, it certainly is going to be difficult for the administration politically at home regardless. the pressure is going to be increasing, certainly, among people inside the democratic party, for them to move toward a cease-fire. there is going to be pressure from many others for just an unequivocal support of israel. but make no mistake about it, while hamas was planning this out, they knew they could rape. they knew they could torre chun. they knew they could torture and burn israelis, commit the most vile and evil acts of savagery, and they knew this point would come. you may like it. you may not like it, what i'm saying here. they knew before october 7th that this day would come. that they would commit the most heinous acts, the most evil acts against the israeli people, against babies, against children, against holocaust survivors, and then israel would go in and try to destroy their terror networks. then, collectively, the world would rise up and say, "you must stop," because, of course, hamas hides behind civilians. that's where we are, jonathan lemire. it is a very difficult position for the white house and other american politicians, knowing that this is hamas' strategy. it's always been hamas' strategy. launch missiles, kill israelis, and then run back and hide in population centers and actually put underneath hospitals infrastructure for your terror network, knowing that the calls for a cease-fire would be overwhelming. that's where we are. and you have, obviously, the biden administration -- certainly, the political side of the biden world, the campaign, understanding that they are taking a significant hit, not only within the democratic party if you look at the polls, but also politically, more importantly for the campaign in the state of michigan. they're balancing quite a few things. i certainly know that tony blinken is not thinking about that, nor is jake sullivan or lloyd austin. but i'm sure there are people inside the white house who are thinking that at the same time. there is also an undercurrent, a strong undercurrent in the administration that you just don't let terrorists rape and kill and burn human beings and sit back and say, "well, let's have a cease-fire. let's all get along." it's just not going to happen. israelis aren't going to let it happen. >> yeah, the political arm of biden world certainly is concerned about where this could go. more and more democrats speaking out, calling for at least some sort of pause. concerns about the arab-american and muslim-american voters in a number of swing states, michigan in particular. worried about anger among young voters, who seem to be opposed to the u.s. just helping israel here with a blank check. that's a concern. but, certainly, the national security piece of the biden world is not. secretary of state blinken is carrying a message, calling for israel to have a humanitarian pause. the president himself endorsed that publicly a couple of times in recent days. there is a divide. not everyone in the government, not everyone in washington thinks that's a good idea. in fact, there is even some divide among some of the military experts we have on this show. admiral stavridis in favor of pause. general mccaffrey, retired, also very much against, saying a pause plays into hamas' hands. it is a tricky issue. it's also one the white house is trying to think of next steps. secretary blinken is going to start the conversation with the prime minister today, what comes next in gaza. this could be weeks, months before the fighting ends, but what happens in gaza next, willie? there is also conversations in the biden administration, informal ones, but i reported this week they're starting to look beyond bibi netanyahu. they don't think he will be able to survive politically what happened on october 7th. no one is suggesting there is a leadership change coming anytime soon. bibi netanyahu, the prime minister, will be in charge of this phase of the operation, but they can see the poll numbers in israel. he is deeply unpopular. the white house is starting to think about what happens next and hinting to netanyahu, he should think about what he is leaving to his successor, whenever that might be. >> that may be a ways off still. let's bring into the conversation, spokesman for the israeli defense forces, lieutenant colonel peter learner. thank you for being with us this morning. let me get your reaction to the conversation we've been having, this idea of a cease-fire, number one, your thoughts on that, or something like a humanitarian pause, meaning stop the fighting for however long that may be, a couple of days perhaps to get humanitarian aid into the civilians of gaza, and perhaps to get some of the hostages out, as well. what's your reaction to both of those ideas? >> good morning. we are actually on day 28 of our war against hamas, a war we didn't choose. a war that was forced upon us by the most brutal, merciless organization, who, as joe rightly pointed out, brutally massacred, raped, burned and killed israelis across the gaza strip. the question of will there be a cease-fire, a pause, is not something the idf is concerned with at this time. we are concerned with destroying and dismantling hamas, making sure they never have the power of government again in order to conduct such atrocities. indeed, we have encircled the gaza city, which is a stronghold, a fortress of the terrorist organization, the terrorist government, and the terrorist army after hamas. they are pushing forward and taking out the leaders. we are making sure their leadership is pursued. the battalion commanders, the division commanders, the operatives, the terrorists themselves, they are all being pursued. while we look at what secretary of state blinken has said, and, of course, we're attentive to our american allies and are grateful for the support, we are pushing forward in order to achieve our military goals. with respect to the humanitarian efforts, we understand completely that the humanitarian component of this war is also a component that supports the war effort. that is why we've seen an increase in humanitarian supplies coming in the last week. we're up to almost 100 trucks a day, and it'll probably increase, with medical supplies, food supplies, water, things people need. indeed, shifting people and keep them from shifting north to south will help get people out of harm's way. that's something we've been trying to encourage for the last ree weeks, three and a half weeks now. hamas, they've been trying to keep people put in harm's way. this is precisely the difference between what we are doing and what they are doing. >> well, lieutenant colonel, as you point out, tomorrow will be four weeks since october 7th. you all have been calling for a -- for civilians in gaza to move south, giving them almost a month to do that. can you speak to the fighting around gaza city, when hamas, we know for a fact, puts civilians in front of them. they're in refugee camps, hospitals, like we saw earlier this week. from a military point of view, what is the challenge there? >> we are in close contact with our u.s. colleagues and friends who have lots of lessons learned on this type of battlefield. of course, we are very attentive to that. it is a huge challenge for any military to mobilize and operate in urban areas. urban areas which are densely populated are urban areas that have become fortified positions. we've seen face-to-face combat with the enemy. we're engaging them in their positions, in their locations, where they are hiding out, where they are concealing their weapons, where they're utilizing u.n. facilities to launch rockets at us, where they're positioning their tunnels beneath mosques. it's all part of the battlefield. when we're calling on people to evacuate from the areas, it is to get them out of harm's way. this is a huge challenge. we are sensitive to this issue. we understand, you know, and operate within the laws of armed conflict, with the principles of distinction between civilian population and the terrorists, on one hand, and also the milita necessity. there is no way to rid this world of hamas without going in and dealing with hamas. we've been saying for several weeks that we will be mobilizing. that is why we saw a huge movement of people going from north to south. unfortunately, it was hamas that prevented so many other people from going. i would say, unfortunately, it is a sad image. the images of devastation of civilian life. but all of those civilian lives, nevertheless, are on the shoulders of hamas. >> it's worth noting for our viewers, if they don't remember this, that it was hamas' leader sitting in the safety of a four seasons hotel in doha who was ordering palestinians to stay in a war zone and to not leave the war zone. so that does show just how callous they are. as we've said here, for hamas, when a jew dies, it's a victory for hamas. when a palestinian dies, that's a victory for hamas. with that being the bitter reality that you face, colonel, let me ask you, how many palestinians, how many gazans are left? with israel imploring for weeks that they leave, and hamas leaders from the safety of their plush hotels in doha ordering them to stay in the war zone and be in the crossfire, because they want palestinians to be killed so the world will call for a cease-fire. i'm curious, how many gazans are left? have most fled south, or how many remain in the war zone? >> so the different estimates suggest between, i think, 700,000 and a million, 1.2 million people have gone south. of course, gaza city is a very densely populated area, so there are several hundreds of thousands still there, who did not listen and adhere to our call. i would add to what you were saying, joe. we heard in the last few days still leaders of hamas saying october 7th will be committed again and again and again if they get the opportunity. this is why the regime change that richard pointed out, or what i call the paradigm change, it has to happen. we need the world to rally around israel, support our efforts to get people out of harm's way, and make sure that hamas goes and we are rid of them once and for all. >> yeah, you know, we've heard about war crimes and violations of the rules of war. obviously, putting terrorist infrastructure in civilian buildings or underneath civilian hospitals also, obviously, against the rules of war. i'm curious, what direct evidence do you have? we've heard about headquarters underneath a hospital. do you have direct evidence? do you all have direct findings of this happening across gaza? if so, where specifically? >> so we've been encouraging people to go precisely from the north because that is the strong stronghold, the fortress, specifically, gaza city. we've seen combat in places like jabalia, and these are places we're finding, that we knew before, where they positioned themselves, where the tunnel systems they've put beneath schools, mosques, and hospitals, how they're utilizing the areas as launch sites for attacks on one hand, and also for rocket strikes against the heart of israel. this is how we are seeing the entire system that hamas is utilizing. they got over $100 million every year from iran to build this terrorist army. they subordinated all of the tools of government that any regular government has. you know, governments, we expect our governments to take care of the civilians. they utilize all of the tools of governments to build this infrastructure, this infrastructure of terror and destruction, and the murder machine that they have with the tunnels, with the rockets, with explosive drones, with congressman and control centers, and the subterranean capabilities, which is a huge challenge. we are fighting a merciless enemy that has no regard for life, i'd say israeli or palestinian, as you rightly pointed out. we're determined to change the paradigm once and for all. it'll free israel from the looming threat, the sort of death they want to wield above our heads, but it'll also free the people of gaza from this merciless organization. >> it's so important to remember, they have, in effect, been held hostage there by hamas since 2005. spokesman for the israeli defense forces, lieutenant colonel peter learner, thank you so much. greatly appreciate you being with us. willie? >> richard haass, thank you, as well. we'll be reading your analysis this morning on the substack letter, "home and away." coming up next here, both of donald trump's adult sons took the stand yesterday in the new york civil fraud trial against the trump organization. msnbc legal analyst lisa rubin was in the courtroom for all of it and joins our conversation next on "morning joe." ♪ ♪ wake up, gotta go! c'mon, c'mon. -gracie, c'mon. 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>> he's the best. it's a great, fun, relaxed show. but that is my pet issue, that donald trump had that social media post a couple days ago, "stay away from my children," as if they're toddlers. they're 45 and 39 years old and running a major company. >> yeah. >> former litigator and msnbc legal analyst lisa rubin was there yesterday for testimony from both don jr. and eric trump. i guess, lisa, we'll call them the adult sons of donald trump. maybe that is a little better. you saw it with your own eyes. what was it like in court yesterday? >> willie, i'll say this again, every day in court on this matter is like a roller coaster. certainly, yesterday was no exception. the examination of donald trump jr. was one that seemed really calm and placid on the surface but was really damning if you think about what they got him to admit. the fact that it was relatively pleasant in terms of the exchange with him and the attorney general's lawyer doesn't disguise the fact that donald trump jr., who his father famously refers to as a kid in order to infantalize him -- he not only signed financial statements to banks and lenders, he certified that that information was true and accurate, and he did that to deutsche bank repeatedly. he also did that to his accountants. donald trump jr. wants everybody to think he got a fast one over on people by saying, "oh, god, what did i do? i relied on accountants to do accounting." the problem is, when you are a fiduciary, and when you're a trustee, you don't get to pass that buck. the buck stops with you. donald trump jr., who outsourced everything in his life, wasn't willing to concede that. >> lisa, let's talk about the other adult trump son, eric trump. close watchers of the organization realize he has been the one the father left in control of his major projects, including overseas golf courses, some in the states, as well. >> yup. >> give a sense of what came from his testimony yesterday. >> eric trump was much more combative. he refused to give an inch. that's particularly true when he was confronted with some of his deposition testimony from earlier in the case. john, you know he's given two depositions in this case. one infamously during the investigative stage, where he took the fifth hundreds of times. a later one, this last may, where he did testify for seven hours and repeatedly disclaimed that he knew people who were involved in appraisals and evaluations, that he was involved in the statements of financial condition, and he was confronted over a series of hours with document upon document that showed that, irrespective of his falsity memory, that simply was not the case. >> lisa, next week, we have to look forward to ivanka trump and the former president himself. ivanka trump had asked for a delay in her testimony because the date fell on a school week. she has children, was her argument. looks like the judge rejected that. >> the judge did reject it. it is actually the appellate division, the intermediate appellate court in new york said, "no, we're not going to let you stay your testimony. you can continue with your appeal." ivanka is up for wednesday. we should expect to see her then. her father on monday. how that is going to go is really anyone's guess. i fully look forward to coming back here and telling you, for yet another time, that was the most bonkers day in court i have ever seen. >> we should point out, you have two children yourself, and you were there in court every day. thank you for that. we'll come back and talk to you next week. >> thanks. >> former litigator and msnbc legal analyst, lisa rubin. thanks, as always. ftx founder sam bankman-fried has been found guilty of all counts against him, a year after his digital currency exchange imploded. he was charged with seven counts of wire fraud, securities fraud, and money laundering that swindled thousands of ftx customers and lenders to its affiliated hedge fund, almeida research. the 31-year-old faces up to 110 years in prison. sentencing is scheduled for march 28th. joining us now, cnbc tech reporter, kate rooney. good morning. remind our viewers exactly what sam bankman-fried, who was considered a year or two years ago, this genius who figured out and cracked the code on cryptocurrency, but turned out to be another fraudster, exactly what he was convicted of doing yesterday. >> willie, good morning. nice to see you. sam bankman-fried a year ago, his company went bankrupt. if you flash back to the height of his reign of the crypto empire, he was running this $32 billion company. he was on the cover of "forbes," worth about $28 billion himself. flash forward to november of last year. company goes bankrupt in the span of a week. the velocity of which this happened is eye-popping. that happening. he now in the last month or so has been on trial in the southern district. they accused, the prosecution accused him of siphoning $800 billion from the hedge fund to a sister company. they said he was taking customer money, using it on himself, in luxury real estate in the bahamas. he lived in a $30 million penthouse. he was spending it on celebrity endorsements. tom brady's name came up a bunch in the evidence they showed. pictures of him at the super bowl with katy perry and other celebrities. things like private jets. and political donations, as well. he was enriching himself with customer money. they had evidence to prove that, and the jury agreed in this case. it was about criminal intent. did he know this was happening? defense tried to claim he didn't, that he was ignorant and didn't know about the issues at his hedge fund. despite being considered, back then, one of the smartest people in the room. he went to m.i.t., raised billions of dollars from some of the smartest investors in the world. the jury didn't buy it. they thought he knowingly committed fraud and convicted him on all seven counts. >> kate, tell us a little more about perhaps the ripple effects of this for the cryptocurrency industry writ large, which was so hot not long ago. now, because of this and other factors, too, lots more trepidation and worries surrounding it. tell us what you think the future is. >> it was a black eye for that industry. he was the biggest name, really, at one point. he was in d.c. felt like every other week. he was helping frame some of the legislation around cryptocurrency, and lawmakers looked to him as the credible face in this industry. now, he's convicted of a massive, what the u.s. attorney called one of the biggest financial frauds in u.s. history. the trust factor is going to be a big issue going forward. cryptocurrency has already had this sort of aura of criminal activity, and it's been used in a lot of -- there's been talk of it being used for nefarious activity from the beginning. that's one of the reasons cryptocurrency existed, you know, ten years ago and was founded. it's definitely a credibility issue. as far as prices, it interestingly has sort of been divorced from what's happening in the markets. people have been taking this, or investors have seen it as an idiosyncratic event, the case of fraud, and the optimists say there's still a lot of opportunity on the investing side and have sort of been twrie trying to separate what's going on in the trial to the investment opportunities. >> how skeptical are the banks, the institutions, the big banks on wall street and the big investment houses? how skeptical have they become of crypto? >> i think it gives them the opportunity to sort of own this space. in the beginning, the crypto people out there, some of the early adopters were saying, "oh, we don't need the banks, don't need the institutions. we can do this, and you can trust us." the whole industry was built on not needing a middleman or intermediary. people now are convinced you do need an intermediary. you need an adult in the room. you need supervision. you need accounting. you need people to make sure there's not massive fraud going on. if anything, the banks were interested in getting in on this, it's their opportunity to say, "well, if you're doing something like this, let us be involved so we can help you with the things like accounting that have gotten so many of these crypto companies in trouble." there's a lot of names, not only ftx, going bankrupt in the last year. a lot had to do with taking on way too much risk, lending, and also gambling with customer money. >> just looking at an old quote from jamie dimon, the jp diamond ceo, who calls crypto a hyped up fraud, says it is a waste of time, and the tokens are like pet rocks. >> warren buffett, too, has been a massive skeptical, and charlie munger. called it rat poison. there are definitely holdouts that have no interest in getting into this. it's also been described as the greater fool theory. whoever is going to pay the most -- someone will pay more than you, and that's the entire theory, according to warren buffett on this. the most well-known, successful investor of our time wants nothing to do with bitcoin, so there's a lot of people that see him as the more credible guy in this and would follow his advice. absolutely not a good thing for the credibility of the industry. >> no. now, sam bankman-fried, in many ways, the face of this, facing 110 years in prison. technology reporter kate rooney, we appreciate it. up next here, the senate confirms three military officers as republican tommy tuberville holds up hundreds more. we'll play what the former football coach is saying about the strain he is placing on america's armed forces and how it compares to his time as a coach. plus, donald trump sympathizes once again with january 6th insurrectionists. we'll show you how the former president's new comments lamenting their imprisonment and, yes, calling them hostages. 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that was, i call them the j6 hostages, not prisoners. i call them the hostages, what's happened. it's a shame. >> joe, there's donald trump calling the people who attacked the united states capitol, who beat up police officers with american flags, who desecrated the people's house, calling them hostages. i just have to say, as a patriotic person, to watch the president of the united states, the former president, stand there in front of american flags, saluting, saluting a group, that group of people who are in jail for what they did january 6th, it's repulsive. >> well, and if you ask the families of the four police officers who died, they will tell you, it was those people responsible for their deaths. it was those people that took american flags, that our servicemen and women have taken into battle for centuries to defend freedom here and across the world, they used those flags as instruments of death, hoping to kill officers. as you said, desecrated the people's house and tried to overthrow democracy because they believed donald trump's lies. there, we have police officers being attacked from all sides, having their heads crushed in doors. police officers taken to the ground, having bear spray used against them. just -- this is just pure evil. speaking of that, how deeply offensive that donald trump has proved from calling these people, these thugs, he's done from calling them political prisoners to now comparing them to jews who were ripped out of their homes. believe you me, there was no mistake. jews ripped out of their homes on the 7th, beaten up, bludgeoned, grandmothers thrown on the back of pickup trucks and taken underground by hamas terrorists. and they're the hostages. the world are talking about the hostages, jonathan lemire, and donald trump uses this time to compare those thugs that were beating up police officers with american flags, to compare them to jews who were tripped from their homes, raped, beaten, so many killed, but also so many taken to underground tunnels by a terrorist organization. >> yeah, trump's comments would be deeply offensive at any time, but particularly now, considering the uncertain fate of those hostages in gaza at this moment. to appear at this rally with a song sung by a january 6th convict choir, to suggest, yet again, that were he to be re-elected president, he would pardon most of them, let them get out. certainly, joe and willie, you guys know, we talk about it a lot, the threat of political violence that surrounds this year's election and how law enforcement feels that it will be a staple of elections to come. they have expressed some relief that there hasn't been that much yet -- knock on wood -- in part because some of the most potentially violent offenders are locked up. there are these trump supporters who were arrested and convicted and imprisoned after january 6th. well, if donald trump has his way in a year, year and a half or so, a lot of them will be back on the streets again, potentially to commit more acts of violence. >> yeah, he said he will pardon them. think of the signal that sends to other people considering political violence, if he becomes president. we have just crossed the top of the hour. it is 7:00 in the morning on a friday here on the east coast. republican senator tommy tuberville dismissed the idea that the nation's top military officials are working too many hours as a result of his blocking of hundreds of defense department nominees. the alabama lawmaker has held up more than 350 nominees over the pentagon's policy on abortion, which came under increased scrutiny this week when a top marine, general eric smith, suffered a heart attack. general smith had been filling two of the marine corps' top posts for months due to tuberville's holds. it said the hours he worked were, quote, not a sustainable thing. well, senator tuberville was confronted with that information, shrugged off the concerns that his hold was making it difficult for military leaders just to do their jobs. instead, seemed to draw comparisons about the workload of military leaders to his time coaching football. >> they're doing multiple jobs. some military personnel, even a marine corps commandant was doing two jobs. aren't you making it harder for them to do their job? >> probably have 2,000 people who work for them, okay? as somebody said, he is working 18 hours a day. jack reid blamed me for his heart attack. give me a break, he's working 18, 20 hours a day because that's what we do. i did that for years. you try to do everything yourself and get the job done. we're not going down that road. >> senator tuberville there comparing his late nights in the film room, preparing for lsu, to a military leader carrying out the duties of protecting the country. also, we have to point out again, it was two days ago that his fellow republican senators, that the dam broke on all this, and they spilled into public and said, "stop what you're doing." they made the case to him, but he is totally unphased and glib about it right there. >> it is unbelievable, willie. and you are right, republicans, especially republicans who have actually served in the military, were just embittered at what he is doing to america's readiness. they are saying it's attacking america's readiness. it is republican senators saying that president xi is cheering this in china. this helps the communist chinese. this helps vladimir putin in russia. this helps north korea. i'm not saying it. republican senators, republican senators who fought in iraq and afghanistan are saying it. it's really extraordinary, the ignorance, the complete and total ignorance that tommy tuberville has about the united states military, about what they do, about this country's history. he showed that from the very beginning, right after he got elected. very confused about basic facts about world war ii, basic facts about the united states military. how deeply offensive, that this guy would compare himself looking at game film and drawing out xs and os on the board to try to beat mississippi state or some other southeastern conference football team on a saturday morning, saturday afternoon, to compare that with the marine commandant who literally has in his or her hands the lives of thousands and thousands of young men and women, who have put their lives on hold to defend the united states of america. willie, it's just so extraordinarily offensive. it's so deeply offensive that we have this guy -- i want to use another word. i'm not going to use it this morning -- but we have this guy who is so ignorant that he really does believe that what he did at auburn was just as stressful as what a general running the united states marines has to do every day, has to worry about every day. you know, tuberville's thinking, let's see, do i rush four or five in this situation? the marine commandant is thinking, how do i balance what's going on in the middle east with what's going on in central europe with what's going on in china? what do we do if the chinese -- what are we going to be called to do if the chinese invade taiwan and threaten a third world war? what do we do if iran comes in and we're asked to go in and protect american, you know, interests in the middle east? at the same time, we have to keep our eyes on russia's invasion of ukraine. it's just, again, the ignorance is extraordinary. i'll tell you who is the angriest at this, the republican senators that serve with him, that see him every day, that have to deal with him, a guy that's that ignorant. more than ignorant, contemptuous of the service our men and women in uniform do for all of us, do for our country, do for all americans every day of their life. >> it is stunning, too, just to watch how cavalier he is in that clip, say, "oh, he's fine. he had a heart attack. we all work long days. things happen. that's not my fault." to be so dug in, jonathan lemire, as this criticism from his fellow republicans has stepped up. mitch mcconnell again on tuesday saying, "this has to stop. it's a mistake. we have to clear this and get the nominees through and vote on them at least." is there any sense that he's feeling any of the pressure, if not from the white house or the military, the pentagon itself, from at least some of the people he works alongside with in the republican party? >> those i've talked to on the hill say only a little. he has -- you know, three more promotions were able to get through yesterday, as well, but he thinks this is a good issue for him. i'm told he believes this plays well with voters at home, that he is making a stand for the pro-life beliefs. we have been cataloging all week about the things he and fellow republicans have been saying about the u.s. military. but the anger level is palpable. i mean, republicans have privately, many of them, not all, many of them have been seething for weeks, if not months about this. it's burst into the open this week, including some who had, like senator ernst, senator graham, who have ties to the military themselves and really belittled him in their public comments the other day. i'm told that pressure is going to increase on tuberville, both behind the scenes and in public, from fellow republicans, and not just the democrats who have been doing it all along. there is a sense that more of these promotions will get through, but it'll be slow. it will be slow. there will be questions of america's military readiness in the interim. let's turn to the war in israel. that country pushing forward with its ground invasion into the gaza strip this morning. israeli defense forces announced last night they have encircled gaza cit and fighting now face-to-face battles with hamas. air strikes continue to hammer gaza. israel has come under increasing international pressure to at least pause, temporarily, the fight winning hamas. prime minister netanyahu posted on social media yesterday, troops are making progress and, quote, nothing will stop us. fighting along israel's northern border with lebanon also intensifying. hezbollah claimed to have attacked 19 military targets. the group's leader expected to make his first public remarks since the israel-hamas war began. we're learningore of the united states' efforts behind the scenes to help with hostage recovery inside the gaza strip. two u.s. officials tell nbc news, american drones have been operating above the territory since the hamas terrorist attack of october 7th. the drones are used to try to locate hostages taken by hamas. israel's military says there are more than 240 of the hostages being held captive inside gaza. "the new york times" first reported this story, citing flight data on the publicly accessible tracking website flight radar 24. many of the hostages are believed to be held in the vast network of tunnels underground gaza that are integral to hamas operations. nbc news foreign correspondent josh lederman has that part of the story. >> reporter: as israel fights intense ground battles in gaza, the greatest threat may be underground. hamas tunnels, hundreds of them, promoted on their social media, some storing weapons and fighters, others command posts, concealed from israel's drones and spy planes. hamas claims it's built more than 300 miles of tunnels, half as long as new york subway. crisscrossing an area 25 miles long. >> it smells. it's dark. it's closing on you. it's scary. >> reporter: it's also where many of the 240 hostages are believed to be held. >> we have to measure twice and three times that they are not in those tunnels that we are bombing. >> reporter: one of the released hostages said she was held in a tunnel with four others. >> it looks like a spider web. >> reporter: in this hamas video, fighters are seen popping out of tunnels, simulating an attack on israeli tanks. it's a threat not unlike what the u.s. faced in iraq. isis ambushing troops from tunnels underneath mosul and fallujah. ben came face-to-face with the tunnels in the 2024 war. >> you'd fire at them, then they'd go into their tunnel and run and pop up in another location. >> reporter: israel says the tunnels have gotten more sophisticated, as deep as 230 feet. fortified by concrete, wired for electricity and ventilation, and booby trapped. no one knows exactly where they all are, nobody but hamas. >> we have a good grasp of the network. of course, it's only part of the picture. destroying them won't be easy. >> reporter: experts say israel could hit some with bunker-buster bombs, but likely with severe civilian casualties. tunnels can be flooded with seawater. israel can use new technology, a sponge bomb, described by someone shown the device by the idf. a mix of materials creates a foam that expands, hardens, and seals the entrance, at least temporarily. imperfect solutions to a lethal threat lurking underground. >> nbc's josh lederman reporting for us there. for more on the international fallout from the war in the middle least, let's bring in chief international correspondent keir simsimmonds,o sat down with the uk's top diplomat. what'd you find out? >> reporter: willie, i've been speaking to diplomats across the region through the week and here in the uk. this was an interview with britain's foreign secretary. i would just describe the various positions really quite simply as this. i've been listening to the conversation you've been having the past hour with richard engel, richard haass, and the spokesperson from the idf. fascinating. i'll lay it out like this. there is a large tranche of countries, turkey, jordan, arab states in the region, saying there should be an immediate cease-fire. the civilian casualties are simply too much to bare. there's that side. then the u.s., uk, some allies and partners which are basically calling for that -- and they use the language carefully, humanitarian pause, temporary, localized. that is specifically about trying to get aid in and hostages out. there is a school of thought among some countries in the gulf of, for example, that if you do that, if you have those negotiations, maybe you inch your way to trust, and that's a way to try to get more of a pause and get towards diplomacy. kind of, you know, less war war, as someone said. what you're hearing from diplomats here in the uk, and you're about to hear the secretary, what you're hearing from them, and the uk's policy is close to the u.s., is trying to balance this continuing support for israel with concerns about civilians. take a listen. >> we are backing a nation's right to counterterrorism. while doing so, we are absolutely committed to the rule of law. we raise this. we are absolutely committed to the preservation of civilian life. we work towards that. we will continue to push for what we believe to be in the best interest of evacuating those foreign nationals, including british nationals from gaza, and to get meaningful amounts of humanitarian aid to the palestinian people in gaza who deserve it, without those humanitarian resources being stolen by hamas. >> reporter: the criticism now, of course, from countries like jordan, remember, a very important partner to the u.s., countries like turkey, a member of nato, is that, actually, that's untenable. this is war. civilians are dying inevitably in a crowded place like gaza. to say we support israel but don't believe in civilian casualties or we want to minimize those, that that's just stretching diplomacy beyond its capability, if you like. >> keir, talk about the split between what we have. the prime minister, who has been very supportive of israel, but also an anti-israel or pro-palestinian electorate in britain. i've seen it as a tourist to london for years. even when there aren't any hot button issues going on in the middle east, i've seen pro-palestinian parades and anti-israel parades going on. they've been quite energetic. let's put it that way. >> reporter: yeah. i mean, we should say, demonstrations, protests aren't necessarily reflection of the majority view in a country, but you're right, there is that division. you're seeing it there in the u.s., joe. here in the uk, too, particularly on the left, among the left wing, the liberals, divided over their view about israel and the palestinians. it is interesting. there's kind of, you know, deep politics here in the weeds, but the party, the labor party that very well may win the election next year and become the election, deeply split over what is the right approach. the leader, keir stama, my namesake, you know, struggling to manage that while trying to win an election and become prime minister. what is profound, joe, and it is important to try to tease it out, and i've been listening to you over the last hour, and it might add to the conversation, and that is this, that prior to october 7th, there was an agreement, a deal, a kind of understanding, that you could have stability in the region and, at the same time, isolate hamas. keep the palestinians in gaza and put that to one side. the countries that signed up to that, if you'd like, perhaps not physically but in principle, jordan, uae, qatar, britain, the u.s., israel, and maybe you could argue the palestinian authority, that idea -- what's happened, that idea that you can have stability without addressing the palestinian question, well, that is now under serious question, under serious scrutiny. that's the understated. one of the really big questions for secretary blinken and all the diplomats involved in this, and you've been touching on it, is what comes next? what is the deal that comes next? the israelis are saying, we have to wipe out hamas. you said already, that seems an incredibly difficult thing to try to achieve, particularly given the civilian casualties. what does stability in the region look like after all this is over? no one seems to really be addressing that, yet that is probably the most important question in all of this. aside from, of course, the bloodshed and the instability and the concerns for the region right now. >> keir, i mean, you're so right. for so long, you can look at what netanyahu has been doing and just pushing aside the idea of a two-state solution, but he was not alone. sunni arab states all across the region thought they could make peace with israel and cut out the palestinians, because as we say here all the time, willie -- and, by the way, nbc's keir simmons, thank you so much. we appreciate you being with us. as we've said here for some time, willie, and it's been the case for a decade now, the sunni arab states are great putting out press releases when it comes to supporting the palestinians, but they want no part of them. they don't want them in their country. they don't want to provide them aid. they'll do what they have to do, but they want no part of the palestinian people, which has made their situation even more tragic. the trump administration thought, well, you know, we can make peace between the uae and israel and keep the palestinians on the side. we can make peace with bahrain and israel, keep palestinians on the side. now, we are moving to the saudis, where the saudis were going to make peace with israel, keep the palestinians on the side. that's not an option. you can't -- as abraham lincoln said, you cannot escape history. they're going to have to confront the history and the chain of events that started in 1948 and work toward a two-state solution. >> of course, part of the motivation for this attack, part of it anyway, by hamas, was the fact that israel was beginning to talk to saudi arabia about peace. also, to your point, egypt could have opened its borders a long time ago with gaza, but that remains a hard border because of exactly what you're saying, not wanting hamas to flood in there, as well. by the way, we're looking at live pictures a moment ago as we were talking. that was secretary of state blinken on the ground in tel-aviv, talking to israeli president herzog there. he'll move on to jordan there tomorrow, having the conversation joe was touch ong there. meanwhile, the republican-led house yesterday passed a standalone bill to provide aid to israel. it provides $14.3 billion of support while cutting that same amount in irs funding. congressional budget office report said the overall bill would add billions to the deficit. the vote was 226-196 with 12 democrats voting in favor of the bill, including congressman jared moskowitz of florida, the grandson of a holocaust survivor. >> i support the bill because i believe israel needs to see people on both sides supporting them in their time of need, even though republicans are playing faux politics. for me, again, just with my background and experience, not that other members don't have that, i was going to be a yes. >> republicans say the fact you have so many democratic votes is going to put pressure -- >> they got 12. so many? that's not really so many. b l now heads to the senate, essentially dead on arrival. senate majority leader chuck schumer said the upper chamber will not take up the legislation. in fact, promised to ignore it all together. president biden vowed to veto the bill if it reaches his desk. democratic congresswoman elissa slotkin of michigan joins us now. she was a candidate for u.s. senate. thank you for being with us today. you were a no vote on this yesterday, for the same reason we've been talking about for days here, which is that it is without precedent to have an emergency aid bill attached to cuts in funding for something like the irs. can you explain your vote a little more? >> yeah. i mean, i voted no for a couple reasons. one, i think i went back in history, in time, and i was trying to find a situation where emergency aid for an ally or a partner that came about from a crisis was conditioned on cuts to american domestic spending. i could not find that. i think this was an unprecedented suggestion by a very new speaker. of course, their goal, their stated goal was to cut the deficit. it took about a hot minute to figure out that it wasn't going to cut the deficit. in fact, it was going to increase the deficit. you know, i just -- it was a political play there. secondly, there was no aid for gaza in that bill. you know, we're a watching our screens. whatever you think of what's going on, there a situations right now in gaza that are very dire on food, on war, on medicine. i couldn't support that. obviously, the senate bills bipartisan. we were hoping that with everything going on in the middle east right now, we could have a strong bipartisan bill that would come over, and we'd get, you know -- we're still going to look at it, but what happened yesterday was pure politics from a very new speaker. >> congresswoman, good morning. jonathan lemire. one of your colleagues, representative dzingel, was on our air earlier this week, talking about some of the politics of this, and raising alarms to the white house and to her democratic colleagues about the anger she says she hears from her constituents there, from muz lick americans and arab-americans, saying the democratic party sided with israel, not doing enough to listen to the plight of the palestinians. we know michigan is a swing state. margins close. she was very concerned. it could be trouble for the president next year. give us your take. what are you hearing from your constituents about this? >> i don't think you can overstate hour intense people are feeling back home. again, no matter how you look at this conflict, people are feeling very raw, very emotional. they see themselves, you know, if you're an arab american or palestinian american or muslim american, you're looking at the death of civilians. you feel dehumanized. you feel like you're not a first class citizen in your own country because of the administration. there's a lot of anger there. a lot of death. i mean, you know, yesterday, we had one of our michigan state fellows who was, you know, at michigan state for a couple of years. he was killed with his famil, and the local community knows him. he was part of this vibrant community. i don't want anyone to underestimate how this is affecting lots of people. 70,000 jews in michigan. 300,000 arab and muslim americans. i think people need to feel heard. i've been urging the administration to meet with muslim american groups, like have them to the white house. do and visit. have these conversations. you don't have to do it in public, but allow that voice in the room. i do think no one should underestimate that intensity and the nervousness that people feel. >> so what would you suggest the administration do? i mean, obviously, israel faced a horrific attack. it'd be the equivalent of 45,000, 50,000 americans being slaughtered, if that had happened on september 11th. obviously, they're going to act. we did the same thing. wrongly in iraq, but also in afghanistan. i say wrongly. we went in for the wrong reasons. but you take our battles -- excuse me -- against isis and look at a place like mosul. i mean, that was street to street combat. it was the only way to root out isis. what should the biden administration be telling the israeli government to do after they lost the equivalent of 45,000 people to a terrorist attack? >> yeah. well, obviously, this one rings home for me because i did, you know, three tours alongside the military in iraq. i've seen this up close. i don't think anyone is questioning israel having a right to respond to the perpetrators of this terrorist attack. it was a grievous attack. our experience after 9/11 is instructive here, right? we had -- we took a second. we did a bombing campaign in afghanistan and began over a decades long hunt for the perpetrators of this attack. we also went ahead and occupied afghanistan and invaded and occupied iraq. if you ask most americans, in hindsight, they would have said, hey, you know, a bombing campaign, going after the perpetrators, that's one option that might have made more sense opposed to 20 years of war. i think that for those of us who served in places like fallujah and ramadi, we want to make sure there is an end game that is not fantasy, that is actually real. we want to make sure that you don't create more terrorists by the way that you act. we want to make sure we get the people who perpetrated this attack. you can want all those things all at the same time. sometimes, being a good ally and a good partner is telling those hard lessons from our own experience. >> all right. democratic congresswoman elissa slotkin of michigan, as always, thank you so much for being with us. >> thank you. all right. still ahead on "morning joe," we're going to have new reporting on the wealthy group of donors still undecided on an alternative to donald trump in the republican primary race. plus, we're keeping an eye on wall street ahead of a jobs report. we have cnbc's andrew ross sorkin. he is going to join us to break down the data. also ahead, the beatles have a new single out thanks to artificial intelligence. you know, the kind that made "get back," their movie, so successful. we're going to show you how the emerging technology made by peter jackson made that possible. before we go to break, willie, i know jack has one thing on his mind right now, and that is what uncle willie has planned for "sunday today." >> well, he needs only one word on his mind, joe. that word, stamos. john stamos. >> boom. >> coming up this weekend. >> boom. >> on "sunday today." great guy. we had him on "morning joe" a few days ago. he has the new memoir. he goes deep, tells it all. did you realize, also, an accomplished drummer who played with the beach boys for 40 years? 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i think it's great. >> reporter: decades later came the a.i. technology developed by director peter jackson that made it possible. >> the mix, we could lift john's voice without lifting the piano. >> reporter: a bit of joyous nostalgia for fans and the beatles themselves. >> how lucky was i to have those men in my life? to still be working on beatles music in 2023, wow. ♪ all because of you ♪ >> reporter: molly hunter, nbc news, london. >> joe, you are as big a beatles fan as i know. it is haunting in a beautiful way to hear john's voice like that. so cool they could put this together. >> it really is. you know, he had quite a few demos he was working on when he was tragically killed in 1980. my favorite of those was his version of "grow old with me." but you still always had the piano and the voice sort of competing with each other. you know, 1980, old cassette tape, and he is playing on the piano so it's all blurring together. you know, we all saw the extraordinary work that peter jackson did with "get back" and what he did with the a.i. technology, where he was actually able to separate out voices, conversations, sounds, guitars, pianos. i've got to say, in this case, i have a little skeptical. again, we've heard sort of the 1980 cassette tape versions of these great john songs. man, this could have been produced -- this voice could have come off of john lennon's classic band, first solo album in '70, which was extraordinary. produced by him and phil specter. to get that from a warblely recording on a cassette tape from 1980 really, really is such a gift to beatles fans, to music fans everywhere. i have to say, willie, the a.i. technology and what it is doing is pretty stunning. yesterday on instagram, i saw a johnny cash version of taylor swift's "blank space." >> no way. i have to find that. >> it -- and it sounds like johnny cash is singing the song. the technology, again, frightening in many ways, but also pretty exciting, and eye-opening in others. >> in the case of this beatles song, you go, a.i., they've recreated somehow through computers, his voice. no, it's his voice. >> yeah. >> something he recorded that they were able to lift out. it really is the real thing. very, very cool, what they're doing. back to politics. with 73 days to go until the iowa caucuses, one key group of republican donorsremains undecide ed undecided. semafor are reporting some are still looking for an alternative to donald trump. a "des moines register" poll shows 43% of caucus-goers say the president is their first choice in the primary, but 54% say they could be persuaded to support a different candidate. joining us now, business and finance editor at semafor, liz hoffman. good morning. they've been searching a long time, it feels like, for the alternative to donald trump. many of the republican donors, at first ron desantis felt like he'd be the guy. that'd receded. where are they looking? >> as you said, we're 70 something days out, and the biggest pot of money, what is expected to be the most expensive election ever, can't figure out what to to with itself, honestly. i think a lot of the early enthusiasm was for tim scott. there's not a lot of downside for wall street in supporting tim scott. if he loses, he'll go back to the senate banking committee, where he can be useful and will be overseeing their businesses. i think nikki haley has surged recently. folks i talk to, you know, her foreig picy chops have gotten more relevant in the last couple weeks. the answer is most of them can't quite make up their mind. more broadly, nostalgic for a republican party that doesn't exist anymore. >> liz, two-parter for you. first, is there a sense that people you talk to, that eventually some of this money might end up with donald trump anyway, if he is on the glide path to be the nominee? >> maybe. i mean, maybe. i think, you know, back when donald trump was in office, the wall street guys may have had issues with their comportment, but there were things they really liked. the 2017 tax cuts, huge. they think he was rightly an early china hawk, you know, has been sort of a little blunt on the trade front. i think, you know, there were parts of that administration economically that was, frankly, very good for wall street. i don't see them sitting it out if, ultimately, he is the nominee. but they'll try hard to keep him from being that. >> right. it feels like every few weeks, we have a glenn youngkin bubble. we're having another one now. there has been some chatter this week that depending on what happens in next week's elections, he might jump in. he's already missed filing deadlines. it would be a long shot. most think he'd wait until '28. what are you hearing? >> they're desperate for him to jump in. he is a mitt romney, right? it's the last time these rockefeller republicans felt like they had a standardbearer. obviously, a private equity executive, ceo, speaks their language. i think it is unlikely, to your point. he missed filing deadlines. you know, the minimum number of individual donors to get on the debate stage is going to be very high. he is very late. i think he'd have a lot of money. i'm not sure he'd make the cut on the number of donors you need. >> all right. business and finance editor at semafor, liz hoffman. thank you for being with us. we really appreciate it. >> thanks. yesterday, "the wall street journal," there was an ad that -- i want to draw people's attention to it. this is a picture of all the hostages being held right now by hamas. 240 hostages, innocent people taken from their homes, taken from israel, and shoved down in tunnels by a terrorist network. 25 nationalities. by an organization, if you want to hear more about these people, you can go to stories.bringthemhome.net. that's stories.bringthemhome.net. you look at it, and it is just like 9/11. you look at the faces of the people who were killed, willie, on october the 7th. you look at these faces of the babies, of the children, and, somehow, these faces, these babies, these children, these grandmothers, somehow, putting their faces up, their images up to remind people of the horrors that were visited upon them, what their families are still enduring today, somehow, that's considered political activism and allows people who hate israel to rip down those posters. it really does show you how sick israel's enemies are. >> what strikes you as you show that and hold that up is the age, both very young and very old, of the hostages. hamas was indiscriminate in who it took, killing babies, killing senior citizens, and taking some hostages. in the 9:00 hour, we'll have a brother of one of the hostages you showed, to hear about what he has been going through, what his family has been going through, and what he knows about the prospects for the release of any of those hostages. that's coming up in our 9:00 hour. also coming up next year, we will look at rising tensions on college campuses tied to the israel-hamas war. it comes as anti-semitic and islamophoic acts are up nationwide. that conversation is next on "morning joe." move to the cloud. - so, the question is... - cyber attack! as cyber criminals expand their toolkit, we must expand as well. we need to rethink... next level moments, need the next level network. 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(car engine revs) (engine accelerating) (texting clicks) (tires squeal) (glass shattering) (loose gravel clanking) live picture of the united states capitol at 7:46 on a friday morning. the house has a revolution condemning hamas, hezbollah, and other terror organizations on college campuses. the measure passed with overwhelming support. 396-23. it states the sup of terrorist groups at institutions of higher education, quote, may lead to the creation of a hostile environment for jewish students, faculty, and staff. the resolution calls on campus administrators to condemn anti-semitism on campus to ensure jewish faculty, students, and guests are able to exercise their free speech rights without intimidation, and urges the enforcement of federal civil rights laws meant to protect jewish students. nbc news correspondent emilie ikeda has more on how the israel-hamas war is fueling tension on college campuses. >> reporter: as the war in the middle east escalates each day, the conflict thousands of miles away has become a flash point on college campuses here in the u.s. prompting outrage and fear from students on both sides of the issue. do you feel like campus is more divided than ever? >> absolutely. >> reporter: with reports of discrimination rising, universities are trying to stop the surge. columbia university announcing a task force on student safety after officials there say trucks have circled the campus, displaying and publicizing the names and photos of arab, muslim, and palestinian students. malak, who attends cornell and has family in gaza, says she's experienced something similar. >> is there any part of you fearful in even sitting down in this interview on camera with me today? >> i'm very, very afraid of that, actually. i've been put on a website, and there's been articles written about me. >> reporter: cornell canceled classes today citing extraordinary stress on campus in recent weeks. a decision announced just days after a junior at the ivy league school was charged with making violence anti-semitic threats, including killing jews on campus. according to a federal complain, patrick dye add messed to posting the threatening messages after arrest, but he hasn't entered a plea in the case. >> we're strong and has been through a lot, but it doesn't mean we're not affected by it. >> reporter: the sense of unease exacerbated by clashes like this in new orleans. >> an israeli flag was being burned, and a brave student attempted to grab the flag before a fight broke out. >> reporter: college campuses have long been bastions for open and honest discussion. tulane president michael fitz hopes they'll be able to find a way back to that. >> for students, they will remember this. they will remember what they learned from it and what they learned about their ability to come together as part of it. >> emilie ikdea of nbc news with that report for us this morning. coming up next, we will make a turn towards the new york city marathon this weekend. tens of thousands of runners hitting the pavement to take part in that iconic race. the ceo of new york roadrunners, the organization that founded the event, joins us conversation, straight ahead on "morning joe." live picture at 7:53 in the morning from the top of our building at rockefeller center, looking south where 48 hours from now, somewhere off in the distance, the runners will be off for the new york city marathon. more than 50,000 runners are set to tackle the 26.2-mile race. the nypd ramping up security measures across the five boroughs in light of tensions. there's a comprehensive plan that includes several layers of protection. joining us now, the ceo of new york roadrunners, the organization that puts on the race. rob, it is so great to see you again. i ran the race myself two years ago with the help of new york roadrunners. you're an amazing organi. the first thing i did was check the weather and man, i don't want to jinx anything, but it looks perfect for the race on saturday. >> yes, willie. >> sunday. >> it looks like we've got a great -- yes. looks like we have got a great day lined up. low 60s at worst, around 60 degrees. great conditions to run in. most folks, it'll be in the 50s when they start to run from staten island from brooklyn and all the way to central park and it makes a big difference. we had a bit of a warm day last year and some folks struggled. people are feeling relieved, and we're seeing a lot of happy faces out there at our new york city marathon expo. people are picking up their bibs and getting their gear and fired up and people are feeling really good. >> it's such a special day in new york city. i was out a week ago in central park, and, you know, the bleachers start to go up near the finish line. the pavilions going up, and it really is one of the best days of the year in new york. so what are you expecting this year? how are you preparing? >> well, we're expecting a great day, you know. i mean, i think that every year the excitement level both for runners and non-runners really starts to peak right now. you're starting to see groups of runners running around the city. a lot of them are speaking different languages and you've got 10,000 international runners coming into the city as well as people from all over the united states. so this is really a global event, and it's special not just for the runners, but for the entire city, you know. jonathan and i are here talking. he lives not far from the marathon route and so people are getting out. they're making their plans to go watch the race, cheer people on, cheer on total strangers as well as people they know who are running in the race. so it's just -- it's the best day of the year here in new york city, and i recommend everybody, whether you're a new yorker or just want to visit new york, you know, make a plan to try to make it happen one day. it's really a great experience. >> i'll echo that. it really is one of the most special days of the year in new york city. talk to us a little bit about what goes into it for an undertaking this size. so many people over such a long route at five boroughs, and this year we should note again, coming at a time when there will be heightened and additional security because of what's going on elsewhere in the world. >> it doesn't take a village, jonathan. it takes a city to put this on and we've got our own team of almost 250 full-time staff and then a lot of part-time staff. i know, thousands -- we've got thousands of volunteers, i think about 8,000 volunteers who are going to be part of putting this on and that's a huge part of this. we have an important partnership with the nypd. it's city, state, and federal law enforcement that is all involved in making this a safe event every year. i went down to one police plaza a couple of days ago, and we had, you know, an all-hands meeting with pretty much every level of law enforcement to talk about every scenario and making sure we're prepared to deal with anything, right? from the small stuff, and things do happen in the city. a water main break, and it causes us to have to divert the route to anything more serious. we're prepared. the nypd is prepared. they've got a robust plan every single year and this year is no different. >> setting up to be another great marathon day in new york city. if you live in the area, come down. watch the race, cheer on the runners. it's just -- as john said, the best day of the year. rob, have a great race. good luck to you and we'll see you down the road. >> hope to get you out again one year. >> i'll be -- i'm taking a couple of years off. i'll be back. i'll be back. thanks, rob. still ahead, we're following the very latest developments in the israel/hamas war as israeli troops advance into gaza city now. we'll get a live report from jerusalem on where the war is headed from here. 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app today. daddy's name is on buildings. he's accused of real estate fraud and eating glue. what you are witnessing is real. the participants are not actors. they are actual idiots with a case in area court, "the people's court." >> just missing judge wapner there, joe. >> that smile. >> oh, that is a "people's court" parody from jimmy kimmel's writers. we'll get legal analysis on the testimony in the civil fraud trial against the trump organization. we'll show you what they said. also ahead, a live report from the middle east as there is growing pressure now on israel to take a humanitarian pause in its assault on hamas terrorists hiding in gaza. plus, an update on republican senator tommy tuberville's freeze on military promotions. the alabama lawmaker finally is facing public pressure from members of his own party, but you won't believe what he said this time. and we'll go through the verdict in a high-profile fraud trial for a man once known as the crypto king, now convicted on several charges. good morning. welcome to "morning joe." it is friday, november 3rd. with us we have the host of "way too early," white house bureau chief at politico, jonathan lemire, and president ameritus of foreign relations, richard haass. let's start with israel pushing forward with its ground invasion. they have encircled gaza city and are fighting face to face battles now with hamas. this as air strikes continue to hammer the territory. israel has come under increasing international pressure to at least temporarily pause the fighting with hamas, but prime minister benjamin netanyahu posted on social media yet that troops are making progress and, quote, nothing will stop us. meanwhile, fighting along israel's northern border with lebanon is intensifying. hezbollah has claimed to attack 19 israeli military targets. israel's not confirmed that specific claim, but israel says there have been a number of launches from lebanon, and that israel is striking back, targeting the terrorist group's infrastructure. this comes as the leader of hezbollah today is expected to make his first public address since the israel/hamas war began. it likely will indicate the group's next moves raising fears the war could widen from here. joining us now from jerusalem, nbc news chief foreign correspondent richard engel. richard, what's the latest on the ground including israel's response to these calls for a humanitarian pause so some of that aid can get into gaza? >> reporter: so that is going to be top of the agenda it seems during the visit by secretary blinken. he's arrived, and effectively he is pushing to slow this war down. call it a pause, call it a cease-fire. the united states isn't calling it a cease-firings but an effort to slow down the fighting so we don't enter into a cycle of fighting that we cannot get out of, that israel and the united states is drawn into, and the timing is criminal. israeli troops according to the military have now encircled gaza city. gza city is the most dense part of the gaza strip. it's unclear how many are still in gaza city, but a lot of people. they're in street to street fighting and israel is taking casualties. there are many, many palestinian deaths every single day according to the health minute city. the number has surpassed 9,000. israel has not outlined any clear, long-term plan, any clear exit strategy, and now we have these looming threats from the region. increased attacks by iran proxies, this speech coming from the leader of hezbollah later today, so it seems that the secretary of state is trying to slow it down, perhaps for cooler heads to emerge and to find potentially a way out of this before there is no way out of this. >> so richard, i know hezbollah has regretted in the past some incursions from the north with israel. i'm curious if the expectation in israel and around the middle east is that actually -- the leader today will announce that they are going to be opening up a new front from the north or if they're simply going to express solidarity with their brothers and hamas. >> reporter: the latter. people do not expect that he is going to make an announcement and then as soon as the address is done, there will be rocket fire raining down on israel. there might be some. there could be some attacks because there have already been attacks in the last several weeks since this war has begun, but we do not expect that as soon as he makes his announcement, we will have a new wider war all across the middle east. the thinking from hamas as best we can understand and from -- from hezbollah and from hamas is that hamas is happy to drag israel into a long-term guerrilla war in gaza. they are hoping that this will be another vietnam or another somalia for israel, and if israel is willing to take this bait, go into gaza, lose troops, then the thinking from hezbollah is, it will wait. it will allow israel to get sucked into a quagmire in the middle east, potentially dragging in the united states, and then it could attack at a later stage. so we are -- as i said, we are in a very critical phase where israel is going deeper and deeper into the gaza strip and hamas seems very happy to pull israel into this fight regardless of the consequences for the people of the gaza strip, no matter how many people are losing their lives in gaza, and thousands of people are dying in gaza no matter who is counting the numbers. it's quite obvious. >> richard, obviously there has been a split among israelis through the years about a -- a group of israelis who are more hard core on their belief that there doesn't need to be a two-state solution, that israel needs to be as aggressive as they can starting up settlements in the west bank, but obviously there have been a large number of israelis who also believe that they need to move towards a two-state solution. tragically, many of the people who were slaughtered on october the 7th were some of those people, who thought there needed to be -- that peace needed to be made with the palestinians. i'm curious for that faction, the more moderate wing in israel, are they -- are they talking about the possibility of pulling back or does israel -- and it would be understandable if they did -- are israeli politicians where our politicians were on say september 12th, 2001? >> it's closer to where the united states was on september 12th. this government was already a very right-wing government before this attack happened. there were protests on the street. the sort of more liberal left-wing israelis were on the street protesting against the government, protesting against netanyahu because he had formed a coalition with some of the most extreme elements in israeli society. so that government which had netanyahu and these extreme elements and many said he was pandering to the extreme elements, trying to change laws in society and empowering extremist settlers in the west bank, provoking palestinians. that was the situation we were in at the beginning of the conflict. now that government, although it has expanded including some other members to form a war cabinet, is at war, and many people in israel are determined to go to war, and if you remember the days after 9/11, there was a movement to the united states where people were angry. they were outraged. they were attacking muslims on the street. they were attacking sikhs because they thought they were muslims on the street and there was a real anger. what did they end up doing? they ended up invading iraq which had nothing to do with 9/11, breaking the country and spending 11 years trying to put it back together. there are voices saying, slow down. be careful what you do. don't go into a war with a long-term plan, and ultimately that debate is happening, but while that debate is happening, the fighting is still under way, and netanyahu is refusing any kind of cease-fire, and i think it's also important not to get too hung up on the terminology. what is a pause? what is a cease-fire? to a degree, they're the same thing. the practicality is they're the same thing. you stop fighting, but the reason the united states says it can never have a ceasefire with hamas or israel says they can't is it dignifies too much. going back to 9/11 could never say it will have a cease-fire with al qaeda. we would never have a cease-fire with isis because the group is evil and the fight will go on against them forever. you could have a tactical, humanitarian pause with al qaeda in order to free hostages or do a practical deal, but you could never give up on the principle of destroying that evil, the principle of removing them from power in the long-term. i think there is a little bit of language here because you don't want to dignify the group. you don't want to say, we're going to go into a written agreement with a group that is declared evil, a group that is holding hostages, murdering children and babies, and they have that brutality. if they can have pauses, cooler heads to prevail, work to get hostages out and maybe coming up with what is the long-term strategy? who is going to govern -- who's going to govern the gaza strip once it is -- once hamas is disarmed, if that day comes. >> right. well, and if that day comes, richard. final question has to do with the west bank. you were with us a couple of weeks ago. we were talking to you from there. violence had sprung up between those extremist settlers and palestinians being attacked on the west bank, and president biden even spoke of that in a joint press conference with the australian prime minister. is there already an understanding that even if israel achieves its goals of disarming hamas in gaza, that -- that the extremist settlers on the west bank are going to cause a hell of -- a hell of a problem in moving towards that two-state solution? >> oh, they already are. since this war has begun according to human rights groups, according to our own reporting, according to a new report from the united nations, violence by extremist settlers has increased significantly since the october 7th massacre by hamas. we saw some of it ourselves yesterday in multiple locations in the west bank where palestinians who are living there, moderate. we met an old elderly couple, a christian couple. they were on their land picking olives and a group of extremist settlers came over in order to carry out revenge and started beating them up and beat up an elderly couple and then went back to their settlement. unprovoked, and no repercussions, and this kind of thing is happening all the time according to multiple human rights groups, and that is only inflaming tensions. one palestinian activist from the palestinian authority who was beaten and humiliated told me, it's like a balloon. you push pressure. you keep inflating it, inflating it, inflating it, and one day it is going to explode, and he said there is this concern that if that pressure from the settler violence continues, you're going to have an explosion of violence in the west bank and here in jerusalem on top of the ongoing war against hamas in gaza. >> just so everybody who's watching knows why we're talking about this right now along with what's happening in gaza is because what's been happening on the west bank has shaped israeli politics so much, and extremists on the far fight have played such a heavy hand in netanyahu remaining in power that many secular jews, and if you could speak to this, richard. i know you've heard it there a lot. many secular jews are enraged by the fact this government has paid so much attention to extremists and even let some of them into the government and what really angers the secular jews are they make the most demands, but are contemptuous of the military. >> reporter: so if you -- people have to understand. so there's the gaza strip in the south which is run by hamas. hamas is both a terrorist organization, has a military wing, but it also has a government function in that it governs the gaza strip and israel is in a war to remove hamas and destroy hamas in gaza. in the west bank which is not connected to gaza, there is the palestinian authority, a moderate government that israel hopes will become the government for both the west bank and gaza. unclear if that's going to happen, but that's the idea. within the west bank, this separate territory, there are extremist settlers. the extremist settlers live in communities and often, particularly in these days in this climate of rage, they are leaving their settlements and attacking the palestinians around them. the government of israeli -- prime minister netanyahu himself formed a coalition with many of these settler leaders in order to keep himself in power, in order to form a government so he could continue to govern this country and stay in power. he's been a dominant political figure for the last 20 years, and yes. secular israelis were saying, you are pandering to the extreme right. you are giving these people too much por, and now that government is at war, and these deep fissures in society are emerging. going back to what we were saying initially which is why the timing is so critical for secretary blinken's visit right now, the u.s. -- israeli troops have encircled gaza city, and they're in a much more dangerous phase of street fighting in coming days of gaza city. the settlers who were empowered by netanyahu who are helping him stay in power are acting in ways that are far more emboldened than they have been in the past according to human rights groups and our own reporting, and the -- the israeli secular society that was opposed to these politics right now are very concerned about what is happening here. very concerned that this country is going down a path that will be difficult to recover from. >> nbc news chief foreign correspondent richard engel giving us a great look at the larger picture around this war. richard in jerusalem, thanks so much. we appreciate it. richard haass, let's bring you into the conversation now. as richard mentioned, secretary of state blinken is on the ground in israel. he's expected to ask prime minister netanyahu for some measure of restraint, a humanitarian pause and he'll go tomorrow to jordan where he'll hear from israel needs to stop what it's doing. it needs to pull back entirely. what is the line he's walking there, and what are the options on the table here between a cease-fire, a humanitarian pause, and everything else that's being discussed? >> yeah. let's start with your second point about going to jordan. as i understand it, willie, there's no longer an israeli ambassador in jordan. the jordanians have removed their ambassador from israel, and i think what that tells us is all that's been accomplished on a positive side in the middle east is somewhat vulnerable. we shouldn't assume there can't be backsliding. jordan's a country that's predominantly palestinian, and is extraordinarily worried that instability like we're seeing in gaza, could see -- like you were talking about with richard engel in the west blank could spread, and that's one of the concerns, to avoid instability showing elsewhere in the middle east. in terms of what the secretary of state is trying to do, i think what we're seeing is the administration trying to come up with something of a compromise position. on one hand, you have what netanyahu and what this israeli war cabinet is doing, which is a large military operation, air and ground in gaza. whole ideas to move gaza from power -- remove hamas from power, regime change. eliminate it as a military factor. occupy it and then hand it off to somebody. all sorts of questions about the feasibility of that, and then obviously the costs of that are extraordinarily high in terms of casualties and the administration is worried about the blowback from that. on the other hand, in new york, you've got people saying we need to have an immediate cease-fire and the administration -- i think for good reason doesn't like that either. that would mean that israel can't retaliate and can't deal with the continued threat posed by hamas. so i think what you are seeing tony blinken do is begin to look for a third option, a middle path that would allow israel to continue the war, but there would be humanitarian pauses in part to get aid in, maybe to get some hostages out, but really the administration wants israel to become much more discriminating in what it does militarily, and not think this is the sort of thing you can resolve in a week or a month of military activity. slow it down, think long-term, and that gives you a chance to introduce some political dimensions to israeli policy. the problem is this israeli government is uninterested in this. what's going to be really interesting with secretary blinken's visit and the days after is right now the united states and israel have been really close since october 7th. president biden has banked an awful lot of good will in israel. the question is, what happens -- excuse me, when american foreign policy begins -- space opens up between what this administration wants and what the government of netanyahu wants, and i think we're approaching that point. >> and richard, interesting yesterday. 13 senate democrats put out a joint statement calling for a short-term cessation. that's the term they're using. so we have cease-fire, cessation, pause. people using different terminology to get the hotages out for one thing and get humanitarian aid. you led me to my next question. is netanyahu going to be receptive to any of this? from his point of view, we have bloodthirsty terrorists. we know what they did. they did it on october 7th, waiting to come and kill us. i'm not going to pause anything. what kind of partner is he to get a pause? >> he's not a partner at all on that or anything else. let's be honest. it's difficult to speculate on people's political motives, but i think going back to your previous conversation, a lot of the mood in israel is understandably for revenge. netanyahu is extraordinarily vulnerable politically over what happened on october 7th on his watch. a lot of anger against him and i believe he sees a massive military victory, quote, unquote, as the best way of changing the debate, changing the narrative in israel. so i don't see him or those around him necessarily being partners at all, but look. one thing that is totally predictable is the mood in israel will change. you use the comparisons before joe did to 9/11, and the american debate changed. the support for the bush administration changed as the costs of iraq mounted, as the prospects for success diminished. that will happen here. so over time, i believe israel is on a strategy where popular support in israel will fade as the military costs go up, as this does turn into something of a protracted guerrilla conflict, and there is no partner to work with. there is no one israel can hand over authority for in gaza. the palestinian authority can barely run the west bank. they're not going to run gaza. the arab world, they don't want a part of this. they want to stay away from the palestinian issue. the united nations, that's not a serious outfit when it comes to coming into a situation like this because this wouldn't simply be peacekeeping, willie. this would be peacemaking. you would have continued resistance from hamas. the israelis themselves as an occupying force wouldn't be seen as legitimate to hand over political authority to anybody else. so this is going to get increasingly, increasingly difficult, and then again, the administration is trying to get the israelis to think about the pace and the scale of what they're doing. netanyahu is going to resist, and i think that area of friction and the question then is, how far does the administration go? do they start saying basically -- disagreeing with the israeli government in public and not just in private, and then what happens? that's where i think we're heading to. >> well, it certainly is going to be difficult for the administration politically. at home regardless, the pressure will be increasing certainly among people inside the democratic party for them to move toward a cease-fire. there's going to be pressure from many others for just an unequivocal support of israel, but make no mistake about it. while hamas was planning this out, they knew they could rape. they knew they could torture. they knew they could burn israelis. they knew they could commit the most -- the most vile and evil acts of savagery, and they knew this point would come. you may like it. you may not like it. what i'm saying here. they knew before october 7th that this day would come, that they would commit the most heinous acts, the most evil acts against the israeli people, against babies, against children, against holocaust survivors, and then israel would go in and try to destroy their terror networks, and then collectively the world would rise up and say you must stop because of course, hamas hides behind civilians. and so that's where we are, jonathan lemire and it's a very difficult position for the white house and other american politicians, knowing that this is hamas' strategy. it's always been hamas' strategy, launch missiles, kill israelis, and then run back and hide in population centers and actually put underneath hospitals infrastructure for your terror network knowing that the calls for a cease-fire would be overwhelming. that's where we are, and you have obviously the biden administration, certainly the political side of the biden -- the biden world, the campaign understanding that they are taking a significant hit. not only within the democratic party if you look at the polls, but also politically more importantly for the campaign in this state of michigan. so they're balancing quite a few things. i certainly know that tony blinken's not thinking about that, nor is jake sullivan, nor is lloyd austin, but i'm sure -- i'm sure there are people inside the white house who are thinking that at the same time, there's also an undercurrent. a very strong undercurrent in the administration that you just don't let terrorists rape and kill and burn human beings and sit back and say, well, let's have a cease-fire. let's all get along. it's just not going to happen. israelis aren't going to let it happen. >> the political arm of biden world is concerned about where this could go. more and more democrats speaking out calling for at least some sort of pause. concerns about the arab-american and muslim-american voters in a number of swing states, in michigan in particular. worried about anger in young voters who seem to be opposed to the u.s. helping israel here with a blank check. that's a concern, but certainly the national security piece of the biden world is not. now secretary of state blinken is carrying a message of -- calling for israel to have a humanitarian pause. the president himself has endorsed that publicly in a couple of days. not everyone in government or in washington thinks that's a good idea. in fact, there's even some divide among the military experts. admiral stavridis, in favor of a pause, and others very much against. they say it plays into hamas' hands, and it's a tricky issue and it's one the white house is trying to think about next steps. secretary blinken will start having a conversation with the prime minister today as to what comes next in gaza. this could be weeks from now, when the fighting ends, but what happens next? there's also conversations in the biden administration, very informal ones, but they're starting to look beyond netanyahu. they don't think he'll be able to survive politically what happened on october 7th. no one's suggesting there's a leadership change coming any time soon. netanyahu, the prime minister will be in charge of this phase of the operation, but they can see he's deeply unpopular. the white house is starting to think about what happens next and he's hinting to what he's leaving to his successor, whatever that might be. we will continue our conversation after a short break when we are joined by a spokesman for israel's defense forces. that conversation straight ahead on "morning joe." that conversation straight ahead on "morning joe. right now get a free footlong at subway. like the new deli heroes. buy one footlong in the app, get one free. it's a pretty big deal. kinda like me. order in the subway app today. i suffer with psoriatic arthritis and psoriasis. i was on a journey for a really long time to find some relief. cosentyx works for me. cosentyx helps real people get real relief from the symptoms of psoriatic arthritis or psoriasis. serious allergic reactions, severe skin reactions that look like eczema, and an increased risk of infections, some fatal, have occurred. tell your doctor if you have an infection or symptoms, had a vaccine or plan to or if ibd symptoms develop or worsen. i move so 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couple of days perhaps to get humanitarian aid into the civilians of gaza and perhaps to get some of the hostages out as well. what's your reaction to both of those ideas? >> good morning. we are actually on day 28 of our war against hamas, a war we didn't choose, a war that was forced upon us by the most brutal, merciless organization, who as joe rightly pointed out brutally massacred, raped, burned, and abducted some 240 or so israelis and foreign nationals into the gaza strip. so the question about will there be a cease-fire or humanitarian pause or humanitarian hiatus is not an idea we're concerned with at this time. we are concerned with destroying and dismantling hamas making sure they never have the power of government again in order to conduct such atrocities. indeed we have encircled the gau s city which is a stronghold, a fortress of the terrorist organization, the terrorist government, and the terrorist army of hamas. we are pushing forward. we are taking out their leaders. we are making sure that their leadership is pursued, the baa -- battalion commanders, and other commanders, they're all being pursued. while i look at what secretary of state blinking has said and we're all attentive to our american allies and very grateful for the support, we are pushing forward in order to achieve our military goals. with respect to the humanitarian efforts, we understand completely that humanitarian component of this war is a component that supports the war effort, and that is why we've seen an increase of humanitarian supplies coming in in the last week, and we're up to almost 100 trucks a day and that will probably increase with medical supplies, food supplies, water, and things that people need and indeed shifting people and keeping the people shifting from north to south will help get people out of harm's way, and that's something we have been trying to encourage for the last three weeks, 3 1/2 weeks now whereas hamas, they have been trying to keep people put in harm's way. this is precisely the difference between what we're doing and what they're doing. >> well, lieutenant colonel, as you point out, tomorrow will be four weeks since october the 7th. you've all been calling for civilians in northern gaza to move south giving them almost a month to do that. can you speak to the challenge of fighting in northern gaza, around gaza city when hamas we know for a fact put civilians in front of them? they put their tunnels under refugee camps and places you have bombed a couple of times this week? from a military point of view, what is the challenge there? >> so we obviously are in a close contact with our u.s. colleagues and friends and who have lots of lessons learned on this type of battlefield and of course, we are attentive to that. it is a huge challenge for any military to mobilize and operate in urban areas. urban areas which are densely populated are areas that have become fortified positions. we've seen over the last few days extensive combat face to face combat with the enemy. we're engaging them in their positions, in their locations, where they are hiding out. where they're concealing their weapons, where they're utilizing u.n. facilities to launch rockets at us, where they're positioning their tunnels beneath this. it's all part of battlefield and when we're calling people to evacuate from those areas, it's precisely to get them out of harm's way. this is a huge challenge. we are very sensitive to this issue. we understand, you know, and operate within the laws of armed conflict, with the principles of distinction between civilian population and the terrorists on one hand and also the military necessity. there is no way to get -- to rid this world of hamas without going in and dealing with hamas, and we've said for several weeks we will be mobilizing and that's why we saw a huge movement of people going from north to south and it's why hamas has prevented so many other people from going, and it's unfortunate. it really is a sad image, and the images of devastation of civilian life, but all of those civilians lives, nevertheless are on the shoulders of hamas. >> it's worth noting for our viewers if they don't remember this that it was hamas' leader sitting in the safety of a four seasons hotel in doha who was ordering palestinians to stay in a war zone and to not leave the war zone. so that does show just how callous they are. as we've said here for hamas when a jew dies, that's a victory for hamas. when a palestinian dies, that's a victory for hamas. with that being the bitter reality that you face, colonel, let me ask you, how many palestinians -- how many gazans are left? with israel imploring for weeks that they leave and hamas leaders from the safety of their plush hotels in doha ordering them to stay in the war zone, and be in the crossfire because they want -- they want palestinians to be killed. so the world will call for a cease-fire. i'm curious. how many gazans are left? have most fled south or how many remain in the war zone? >> so the different estimates suggest i think between 700,000 and 1 million -- 1.2 million people have gone south. of course, gaza city is a very densely populated area so there are several hundreds of thousands still there which did not listen, did not adhere to our call, and i would like to add, joe, just to what you were saying. we've heard just in the last few days still leaders of hamas saying, october 7th will be committed again and again and again if they get the opportunity. this is why the regime change that richard pointed out or what i call the paradigm change, it has to happen. we have to rally around them, and get people out of harm's way, and make sure hamas goes and we are rid of them once and for all. >> we've heard about war crimes and violations of the rules of war obviously putting terrorist infrastructure in civilian buildings or underneath civilian hospitals. also obviously against the rules of war. i'm curious. what direct evidence do you have? we've heard about headquarters underneath a hospital. do you have direct evidence? do you all have direct findings of this happening across gaza? if so, where specifically? >> so we have been encouraging people to go precisely from the north because that is the stronghold. that is the fortress. in specifically gaza city, but not only have we seen the last few days combat taking place in other places and these are places that we are finding that we knew before where they positioned themselves, where the tunnel systems are they put beneath schools and mosques and hospitals. how they are utilizing these areas for launching sites for attacks on one hand and also for rocket strikes against the heart of israel, and this is how we are seeing the entire system that hamas is utilizing. they got over $100 million every year from iran to build this terrorist army. they subordinated all of the tools of the government that any regular government has, you know, governments -- we expect our governments to take care of the civilians. they utilized all of the tools of governments to build this infrastructure. this infrastructure of terror and destruction, and the murder machine that they have with the tunnels, with the rockets, with explosive drones, with command and control centers and the subterranean capabilities which is a huge challenge. we are fighting a merciless enemy that has no regard for life -- i would say israeli or palestinian as you rightly pointed out, and, you know, we are determined to change the paradigm once and for all. it will free israel from that looming threat, that sort of threat that they want to wield above our heads, but it will also free the people of gaza from this merciless organization. >> it's so important to remember they have, in effect, been held hostage there by hamas since 2005. spokesman for the israeli defense forces, lieutenant colonel peter lerner, thank you so much. greatly appreciate you being with us. willie? richard haass, thank you as well. we'll be reading your analysis this morning on the sub stack letter home and away. coming up next here, both of donald trump's adult sons took the stand yesterday in the new york civil fraud trial against the trump organization. msnbc legal analyst lisa ruben was in the courtroom for all of it and she joins our conversation next on "morning joe." oins our conversation next on "morning joe. what did we do before viasat satellite internet? well... we borrowed. we borrowed the internet. but that was before viasat came out with all their new plans. yup. lots of internet now. plenty for everyone. learn more about our plans at viasat.com right now get a free footlong at subway. like the new deli heroes. buy one footlong in the app, get one free. it's a pretty big deal. kinda like me. order in the subway app today. liberty mutual customized my car insurance and i saved hundreds. with the money i saved, i started a dog walking business. oh. 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>> i'll say this again. every day in court on this matter is like a roller coaster and yesterday was no exception. the examination of donald trump jr. was one that seemed really calm and placid on the surface, but was really damning if you think about what they got him to admit and it was relatively pleasant in terms of the exchange of him and the attorney general's lawyer. it doesn't disguise the fact that donald trump jr. who his father refers to him as a kid in order to infan liez him, and he was the trustee. he signed financial statements over to banks and lenders and he certified that information was true and accurate, and he did that to deutsch bank. they wanted him to say, what did i do? i relied on accountants to do accounting. when you're a fed krurks, iary, the buck stops with you. >> let's talk about the other son. close watchers of the trump organization, he's been the one more in charge. he's the one -- the father left in control of some of his major projects including overseas golf courses, some here in the states as well. give us a sense as to what came from his testimony yesterday. >> so eric trump was much more combative. he refused to give an inch and that's particularly true when he was confronted with some of his deposition testimony from earlier in the case. john, you know that he's given two depositions in this case. one infamously during the investigative stage where he took the fifth hundreds of times, but a later one this last may where he did testify for seven hours and repeatedly disclaimed that he knew people that were involved in appraisals and evaluations and he was confronted over a series of hours by document upon document that showed irrespective of his faulty memory, that was not the case. >> so lisa, coming up next week, we have to look forward to ivanka trump and the former president himself. ivanka trump had asked for a delay in her testimony because the date fell on a school week, and she has children was her argument. it looks like the judge rejected that. >> the judge did reject that. it's actually the appellate division, the intermediate appellate court of new york said, you can't stay your testimony. you can continue your appeal, but ivanka is up for wednesday. we should expect to see her then and her father on monday. how that's going to go is anyone's guess. i fully look forward to coming back here and telling you for another time, that is the most bonkers day in court i have ever seen. >> you have two children yourself and you were there in court every day, and thank you for that. we'll come back and talk to you next week. former litigator and msnbc legal analyst lisa rubin. thank you as always. coming up, another big development in court yesterday. this involving a one-time cryptocurrency mogul who was just found guilty on several counts of fraud. details straight ahead on "morning joe." what was it like before viasat satellite internet? 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does feel like a critical moment with the americans weighing in much more firmly now. u.s. secretary of state antony blinken is in israel meeting with prime minister benjamin netanyahu and his war cabinet. blinken is expected to reaffirm america's support to israel's military campaign in gaza while also pressing leaders to do more to protect palestinian civilians. this as the united nations is warning that the situation in gaza has reached a breaking point with supplies running dangerously low. some experts are now saying that the palestinian people are a, quote, grave risk of genocide. joining us now from jerusalem, nbc news chief foreign correspondent richard engel with the latest. what are you hearing about the invasion and plans between secretary blinken and prime minister netanyahu? >> reporter: so we know that the two have met. as you said, this is an extraordinarily difficult time. in many ways it feels like this conflict is at a breaking point, that the people of gaza can only take so much. so secretary blinken is continuing to express support for israel but also to look for concrete steps in order to ease the suffering of the palestinians in gaza. secretary blinken arrived in israel on a mission to slow this war down, pushing for humanitarian pauses to allow more aid into gaza, buy time to free hostages held by hamas and maybe for cooler heads to emerge. the timing is critical. the israeli military says its forces have finished encircling gaza city and are in street battles. a push into the city could be extraordinarily violent. israel is already losing troops and has outlined no clear exit strategy or long-term plan. hamas seeking to pull israel into a long-term guerilla war no matter the consequences for the people of gaza. we watched the refugee camp now being flattened by israeli strikes. he came to apologize to his family under the rubble that he couldn't do more to help them. i'm sorry i couldn't help you, he says. he adds a prayer and says to god, i can't take it anymore. after hours of digging, one daughter, 12-year-old leanne is found. he begs people to look for his youngest son who he promised to send to nursery school. he keeps apologizing to leanne as he carries her back to neighbors. >> those images in gaza so hard to watch. richard, right in the days after the events of october 7th, president biden said a warning to israel, don't do what we did after 9/11, don't go into a war for which you don't have an exit strategy. what do the americans specifically want the israelis to do differently now? >> reporter: well, the u.s. is in a difficult position, because the u.s. had this experience after 9/11 at a moment of rage. the united states got into wars in the middle east and found themselves very difficult to get out of them. invaded iraq effectively for no reason. linked it to 9/11, linked saddam hussein to the attacks of 9/11 even though he had nothing to do with those atrocities and found themselves in iraq for over ten years having broken iraq and trying to put it back together. the united states is telling israel, be careful, don't get yourself into a guerilla fight that you can't get out of. there has been some talk about somalia. don't go into a street fight in a place like gaza, which is very much like mogadishu. don't get pulled into a trap. hamas wants this fight even if it has to sacrifice all of the people of gaza. if you listen to statements from hamas leaders, they say the people of gaza are martyrs, they are speaking for the entire people of gaza and saying the entire people of gaza are ready for this fight. the israelis are dropping enormous bombs in very crowded areas. there was one attack in particular that i know caught a lot of american leaders' attention, military officials' attention. it was these attacks on the refugee camp. the israelis said they did this attack in order to kill a senior hamas leader. but dropping bunker-busting bombs in one of the most densely crowded places in the world seemed to many officials who i've been speaking to directly like disproportionate use of force, excessive force that you could only get one result when you drop a bunker-busting bomb in the middle of a refugee camp. it is narrow streets full of apartment buildings, each apartment crowded with people, crowded with two or three families per apartment. this is an enormously difficult time for secretary blinken to try and tell the israeli leadership to slow things down, to take a breath and potentially learn from mistakes that the united states has made. but we'll see if the israeli government will listen or will continue its campaign against hamas, which despite the consequences which we're already seeing and which we don't know where it will lead for gaza and for israel. >> richard, the world has been warily anticipating a speech from the leader from hezbollah in lebanon. he has just started speaking to huge crowds in beirut. give us a sense as to what we have been expecting to hear from him. could this war be heading into a new phase? >> well, i don't know. i would love to get that audio and hear what he is saying right now. i'm on with you, so let me punt that answer for 15 minutes. let's hear what he has to say and i'll give you a read back. i'll come back. >> we appreciate that. richard engel, thank you. stay safe. he's live in jerusalem. we're watching these fast-moving developments in the middle east. joining us now, washington bureau chief for the economist. good to see you. your recent piece is titled "the republican party no longer believes america is the essential nation." we'll read a little bit from it now and then discuss. you write,"except for admiration for ronald reagan and tax cuts, it is hard to see how the republican party of donald trump resembles the republican party of george w. bush just two decades ago. "in the aftermath of the hamas attack on israeli civilians on october 7, something like the old party shone thug "republicans unanimously condemned the terrorism and reaffirmed their alliance. "the promised to send billions in security assistance to israel and some rattled their sabers at iran, which sponsored hamas. "at the same time, much of the party is balking at sending arms to ukraine, which reagan and both bushes would surely have done. "what happened? the obvious answer is mr. trump." let's talk more about this evolution of the republican party. it's been on plain display this week when the new speaker of the house, first of all, has yet to commit to bringing up ukraine funding for a vote. secondly, even the israel one is connected with all sorts of conditions that are slowing things down. >> that's right. it's dead on arrival, which is surprising. i thought the republicans would have put up a straightforward $14 billion plan for israel and maybe put up a ukraine bill. what we've seen from this speaker and what we've seen overall from the republican party is a turn away from alliances. that's been epitomized by donald trump. it's also true of other things, skepticism of nato and trade. what's interesting to me is that this is a republican party that in many ways resembles the republican party of 100 years ago in terms of stance on immigration, on trade and isolationism. >> tom friedman is making the same argument you're making in the "new york times" today that the republican party is making a mistake trying to separate aid for ukraine and aid for israel because both are up against the axis of russia, iran and china, which want to stop them from joining the west or joining a new type of middle east. how is the traditionalist in the republican party or the post world war ii traditional igs in the republican party and advocates in the white house, how have they failed to make the american people understand it's worth the funding. we've seen support for the war effort declining in the united states. is there a better argument that the white house or republicans could be making? >> i think the best argument to make is that russia is on nato's doorstep. this is one that the white house does make, and that their campaign of territorial expansion might not end with ukraine. it might end with an attempt to take a part of poland, a nato ally, in which case american troops would be involved. so america funding the ukrainian army without endangering its own soldiers is important in america's narrow self-interest, but also that ukrainians are fighting for their freedom and america used to believe those ideals were worth funding. i don't think that's terribly different from what the white house has been saying. i think the reason it hasn't caught on is that, like so much else in this country, it's been captured into the culture wars. now republicans frequently make the argument that a dollar for ukraine is a dollar not spent securing the border or helping with the opioid addiction crisis in this country. that has very quickly polarized the country. it's hard to imagine that being unpolarized just as it's hard to imagine america's unpolarizing on all of those issues. >> some republican candidates voicing support for ukraine, nikki haley and chris christie but they are outnumbered. idris calhoun, thank you for that. we expect to hear from secretary of state blinken in tel aviv within the hour. we'll be keeping an eye on that as well as the speech in beirut right now from the leader of hezbollah. we turn to breaking economic news. u.s. payrolls increased by 150,000 in october, slightly less than economists expected. the unemployment rate also ticked up to 3.9%. let's bring in to discuss andrew ross sorkin and stephanie ruhle. 150,000, less than expected. give us your read. >> jay powell has had a very difficult task for the last year and a half where he is trying to slowly, gently slow the economy. last month the number was revised down slightly. so this is an overall net positive when you think of the big picture, because even though the unemployment rate has ticked up to 3.9, we're still below 4%, and one of the big issues we're worried about is inflation. when you start to see the job picture slow down, then the fed will unlikely raise rates in the near future. that's why you're seeing the market respond so well this morning. from an inflation standpoint, it's the last thing you want to see. >> only in economics is bad news actually good news. the slight cloud on the horizon is even if the job numbers are slowing down, it gives the fed a moment where it doesn't have to raise interest rates. let's tie it in with the story of what's going on in the middle east and a growing fear that if that expands, oil prices are going to rise, which is going to jack up inflation. is that something you're hearing that people are concerned about? >> i think that's one of the issues. i think it's one of the reasons why earlier this week we were talking about how the federal reserve and jay powell specifically said that he was waiting this month on whether he was going to raise interest rates. he was waiting to see what was going to happen. he's now seen what's happening. it's not just that things have slowed a little bit this month. but the truth is that things have slowed in september in a way that was frankly misunderstood. people thought things were better in september than they really were. you start to see that and if you're jay powell, you start to say to yourself, actually maybe in december i don't need to raise interest rates. maybe the market is doing this for me. you layer on what's happening in the middle east and the market or the world is doing this for you in erm thes of -- terms of helping with inflation. the question is does this turn into a recession later. i think there's still a big question mark over this and the timing of whether recession is in the offing becomes critical because you're walk into a presidential election year. >> we should remember that a year ago right now people thought we would be smack dab in the middle of a brutal recession and we're not. the economy has still been strong despite all of the headwinds. it's a net positive when you look at the overall. >> i believe it was almost exactly a year ago that bloomberg ran a piece saying recession is 100% happening and it is not, at least not yet. let's turn to sam bankman-fried found guilty on all seven counts. >> talk about somebody who's had a wildly different year. >> the jury only needed four hours to bring this verdict. tell me what it means for crypto currency. >> the government just said, hey fraudsters, you're in a new technology, crypto is different, beat it, you boomers. that really was sam bankman-fried's brand. he said people over the age of 40 he had no use for. the government said check yourself before you wreck yourself. he's sending himself to jail for possibly 110 years. you might say it's confusing, i don't get crypto. this was an old-school fraud case. the government got his four closest allies to flip on him. he chose to take the stand. they showed up with receipts and boom a conviction in four hours. that's massive. andrew interviewed sam bankman-fried almost a year ago. he's been nonstop talking since this whole thing happened. boy, has it burned him. >> i was interviewing michael lewis. it's interesting his take on this that actually it is a more complicated picture than guilty or not guilty. the government has clearly decided it's not complicated. is there anyway you agree? >> i covered this case. i think unfortunately for sam bankman-fried it isn't that complicated. i think the jury coming back as quickly as it did, frankly the prosecution bringing its case as quickly as it did, it's very rare where a case of this size is completed literally a year from the bankruptcy. i interviewed him back at thend of november of last year. some of that interview ended up being used against him. a lot of the media interviews he conducted were used against him. i should say this case in some ways may not be over and in many ways could even become more interesting. there's still a potential second trial that could take place even though he may go away for 110 years around campaign finance and how he was funneling money to politicians publicly mostly democrats, though he's since said he was using dark money to send money to republicans as well. there's a question of whether they decide to bring that case given that he will already be going to jail for this long, but they may want to bring that case to put it into the public record. >> we should note that the affinity or the openness michael lewis had or has for sam bankman-fried was on display in the courtroom and while all of the reporters were waiting in line to go sit down, would you like to know where michael lewis sat in the courtroom? right next to sam's parents. >> interesting year for him as well. andrew ross sorkin, thank you. you mentioned the sentencing, march 28th, 2024. stephanie ruhle, thank you as well. watch the "11th hour" weeknights on msnbc. next, our next guest is among the family members holding onto hope for the safe return of loved ones taken captive by hamas. his sister was kidnapped from a kibbutz in israel on october 7th. he joins us to share her story. 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[speaker continues in the background] the network with 24/7 built-in security. chip? at&t business. tomorrow marks four weeks since the hamas terror attack on israel, an entire month since countless jewish families were ripped apart when the terrorists took more than 200 people hostage. among them, this woman, her husband and their 3-year-old daughter were visiting family in a town near israel's border with gaza when the surprise attack happened. the family was kidnapped in a stolen car, but able to escape when the terrorist briefly exited the vehicle. as they fled, hamas opened fire on them. then in an act of desperation, she handed her daughter to her husband, who managed to escape with their child. the next morning the father and daughter were able to find safety with israeli soldiers. the wife tragically did not escape with them and is believed to have been recaptured by the terrorists. joining us now is her brother. thank you so much for being with us. we extend our condolences. give us the latest as to how you're all feeling and coping with what happened. >> wel, on one hand we are sad and it's painful, i think it's obvious. for us, it's more important to be hopeful and to be extremely determined. this is what i would ask anyone that wants to be with us on our side, to be completely determined to bring them back. this is the main ambition that we have at the moment. we're all working hard in order to make sure that this issue stays top priority also here in the u.s. the determination and the hope is what fuels us. >> have you received any updates about your sister or a sense as to how she's doing or where she might be? >> no. and it is part of the helplessness that we are feeling. we have no clue about her since she was recaptured to gaza, no proof of life, no state of her condition, no red cross visit, nothing. hamas continues to impose terror on her and also on us with this psychological manipulation and lack of information. of course, it's one of the hardest things we are experiencing. >> since october 7th, hamas has only released four hostages. there was another israeli soldier who was freed once the israeli forces began their ground operation. as the ground operation escalates and the violence picks up inside gaza, how worried are you that could play a role in determining your sister's fate? >> it's important to know that we are worried and hopeful all the time at the same time and every day we are more worries and less hopes, although we keep on holding onto this hope. so we are worried about the different progress of events, but mostly the measure of time. we see a soldier was rescued by the israeli forces, so it gives us a little bit of hope. this release and rescue issue is obviously very thrilling because we see other families and people whose lives have been saved. we see it's possible. but possible and feasible and what actually happens is a huge gap for us. we are waiting to see qatar delivery and the government delivery to have them back tomorrow. why not tomorrow? >> of course, the fate of the hostages looms large for the u.s. government. secretary of state antony blinken is starting to speak right now. let's listen. >> our support for israel's right to defend itself and indeed its obligation to defend itself. that includes through the additional assistance that we're working with congress to provide for israel's defense as well as urgent humanitarian needs in gaza. this right to self-defense, indeed this obligation to self-defense belongs to every nation. no country could or should tolerate the slaughter of innocents. you heard me speak to some of the stories israelis have experienced on october 7th. today we saw additional images, additional footage collected by the israeli government from video cameras, some the terrorists' own, others in communities that were attacked. it remains almost beyond human capacity to process, to digest. i saw, for example, a family on a kibbutz, a father andtwo young boys, maybe 10 or 11 years old, grabbing them, pulling them out of their living room, going through their very small back yard and into a shelter, followed seconds later by a terrorist, who throws a grenade into that small shelter. and then as the father comes staggering out, shoots him down. and then the boys come out and they run into their house. the camera in the house is filming everything and they're crying, where's daddy? the other says, they killed daddy. where's my mommy? and then the terrorist comes in and casually opens the refrigeraor and starts to eat from it. that's what we're dealing with. it is striking and in some ways shocking that the brutality of the slaughter has receded so quickly in the memories of so many, but not in israel and not in america. 35 americans were murdered that day as well and more than 200 foreign nationals from 35 countries. i return to the region to engage in intense diplomacy with our partners to try to help ensure that an attack like october 7th never happens again and in doing so that we forge a different future, a very different future for israelis and palestinians alike that out of this tragedy emerges a better tomorrow for both peoples and for the region. there are a number of important steps that we can, indeed, we must take now to help make that possible. first, we need to continue to prevent escalation of this conflict, its spread to other areas and other theaters. the united states has and we will continue to respond to attacks by iran's proxies to defend our personnel in the region, personnel who are here in iraq and in syria to help prevent the resurgence of isis. we will do what is necessary to deter and respond to any attacks. partners throughout the middle east and beyond have a critical role to play in averting escalation. that will be a major focus of any conversations throughout this trip. second, we need to do more to protect palestinian civilians. we've been clear that as israel conducts this campaign to defeat hamas, how it does so matters because it's the right and lawful thing to do. it matters because failure to do so plays into the hands of hamas and other terror groups. there will be no partners for peace if they're consumed by humanitarian catastrophe and alienated by any perceived indifference to their plight. this is what binds us as human beings. i've seen images too of palestinian children, young boys and girls pulled from the wreckage of buildings. when i see that, when i look into their eyes through the tv screen, i see my own children. how can we not? hamas doesn't care one iota for the welfare or the well-being of the palestinian people. it cynically and monstrously uses them as human shields, putting its commanders in command posts, its weapons and ammunition within or beneath residential buildings, schools, mosques, hospitals. but civilians should not suffer the consequences for its inhumanity and its brutality. we provided israel advice that only the best of friends can offer on how to minimize civilian deaths while still achieving its objectives of finding and finishing hamas terrorists and their infrastructure of violence. today i spoke with prime minister netanyahu and other senior officials about concrete steps to do that. president biden has stressed the need to operate according to law. in the west bank, incitement and extremist violence against palestinians must be stopped. third, we need to substantially and immediately increase the sustained flow of humanitarian assistance into gaza and getting american citizens and other foreign nationals out of gaza. since we reached agreement with israel, egypt and the united nations two weeks ago on mechanisms to enable humanitarian aid to begin reaching civilians in need, we have scaled up deliveries. we've gone from zero to now over 100 trucks going into gaza from the rafah crossing every day, but this is still not enough. i spoke to israeli leaders about tangible steps to increase the sustained delivery of food, water, medicine, fuel and other essential needs while putting in place measures to prevent diversion by hamas. we've identified mechanisms to enable fuel to reach hospitals and other needs in the south. israel has raised appropriate concerns, concerns that we share about hamas' hoarding and siphoning of fuel in northern gaza. again, its cynicism knows no bounds, denying fuel that it has to hospitals and other places that desperately need it. in meetings with regional partners, i'll continue with conversations about getting assistance to flow, including with help from the united nations. over the last several days u.s. citizens, foreign nationals and critically wounded palestinian civilians have begun to transit out of gaza. we expect more to leave over the coming days. even as these people are able to exit gaza, we remain relentlessly focused on securing the release of hostages, including american citizens. we discuss these ongoing efforts today. our deputy special representative for hostage affairs steve gillan has remained here on the ground to help bring our people home and also to work with their families. we believe that each of these efforts would be facilitated by humanitarian pauses, by arrangements on the ground that increase security for civilians and permit the more effective and sustained delivery of humanitarian assistance. that was an important area of discussion today with israeli leaders, how, when and where these can be implemented, what work needs to happen and what understanding must be reached. now, we recognize this will take time to prepare and coordinate as well within international partners. a number of legitimate questions were raised in our discussions today, including how to use any period of pause to maximize the flow of humanitarian assistance, how to connect the pause to the release of hostages, how to ensure that hamas doesn't use these pauses or arrangements to its own advantage. these are issues we need to tackle urgently, and we believe they can be solved. we've agreed to have our teams continue to discuss practical solutions. i've instructed david satterfield to continue these discussions. ultimately, we believe this can be a critical mechanism for protecting civilians while enabling israel to achieve its objectives of defeating hamas. finally, even as we work toward progress on each of these urgent needs, we're focused on setting conditions for a durable and sustainable peace and security. the united states continues to believe that the best viable path, the only path is through a two-state solution. that's the only guarantor of a secure jewish and democratic israel, the only guarantor of palestinians realizing their legitimate right to live in a state of their own, enjoying equal measures of security, freedom, opportunity and dignity, the only way to end a cycle of violence once and for all. it's precisely now in the darkest moments that we have to fight hardest to preserve a path of stability, of security, of opportunity, of integration, of prosperity and of peace. not tomorrow, not after the war, but today. thank you. >> first question. >> thank you for doing this, mr. secretary. you mentioned in your opening speech, of course, and yesterday also you said urgent or concrete measures need to be taken to ease the fate of palestinian civilians. what assurances did the prime minister benjamin netanyahu give you this morning in your talks? and also on the issue of humanitarian pauses that you say you have discussed -- and i understand you said you don't know where, how and when, but could you give us a little bit more detail on what you mean by that exactly? i mean, is it to stop bombings? and last question, very quickly, there was a strike yesterday in gaza where we have continued live feed since the beginning of the conflict, apparently a missile strike with serious damage to our office there. i'd like your thoughts on that, please. >> thank you very much. few things in response. first, when it comes overall to humanitarian assistance, the israeli government is committed to providing that assistance or enabling that assistance, more accurately, to get to people in gaza. as i said, just over the last two weeks we've gone from nothing getting in through the rafah gate to now just today over 100 trucks. as i said, that's significant progress in the space of a couple of weeks, but it's also insufficient. there's a recognition not only by us of that fact, but also by the israeli government as well as our egyptian partners as well as the united nations. so we are looking at very concrete practical ways to widen the aperture to significantly increase the assistance, the food, the medicine, the water, the fuel, other critical needs for people who, through no fault of their own, are in desperate need. we had a good conversation about that today. again, ambassador satterfield is working on this every single day. i'm confident based on the conversations we had that you'll see a further increase in the assistance getting to people who need it. with regard to humanitarian pauses, again, we see this as a way of further facilitating the ability to get assistance in to make sure that the resources are in place as well to absorb the assistance coming in to make sure that it gets to the people who need it. we see it as a way also and very importantly of creating a better environment in which hostages can be released. this is a very important piece. so as i mentioned already and i won't repeat it, there are a number of very important practical questions that go along with this that we've agreed to discuss and work on. we've agreed that our teams will continue to talk about this in the days ahead. from our perspective, this can be a critical way to advance many of the interests that i discussed earlier. i haven't seen the details about the strike that alluded to that hit the afp office in gaza. let me just say and say again that as we stand strongly for israel's right and obligation to defend itself, we also believe that it's vitally important how israel does this, including with the highest regard for the protection of civilians. that, of course, includes journalists, journalists who are doing extraordinary work under the most dangerous conditions to tell this story to the world, something that we deeply admire, deeply respect and we want to make sure that they're protected. >> the next question. >> thank you, secretary blinken, for being here. two issues. the secretary general of hezbollah is talking right now. if following his remarks, another front will open in the north, will the u.s. actually use its fire power in the region not only to deter but also to destroy targets in lebanon or, if needed, in iran? and on the hostages, the biden administration is asking israel for a temporary pause, and we understand it is not a cease fire. do you have any assurances this temporary pause will lead to hostage release? can you assure us that the united states will not hold israel back before the main objective, which is eliminating hamas? >> let me take the second question first. there are no guarantees about anything as a general proposition and maybe more specifically in the context of a fight against hamas, but we are absolutely focused on getting hostages back and getting them back to their families in safety. and we believe that, among other things, a humanitarian pause could help that effort, could facilitate it. it's one of the reasons why we're focused on it. but regardless, our determination to get people back is manifests every single day in our efforts to do just that. as i said and as president biden has said and said repeatedly, we stand strongly with and behind israel in its right and obligation to defend itself, defend its people and take the steps necessary to try to ensure this never happens again. nothing has changed and that won't change. with regard to lebanon, with regard to hezbollah, with regard to iran, we have been very clear from the outset that we're determined that there not be a second or third front opened in this conflict. president biden said on day one to anyone thinking of opening a second front, taking advantage of the situation, don't. and we backed up those words not only with work that we've done with many partners in the region to reenforce that message, but with practical deeds, including the deployment of two aircraft carrier battle groups to the region, including with action we've taken, for example, against missiles coming from yemen in the direction of israel, shooting them down, including as well with strikes we took in response to multiple attacks on our personnel in iraq and syria, who are there to try to prevent a resurgence in the region of isil. we remain determined in that effort. i'm not going to get into hypothetical situations, but we're committed to deterring aggression from any part and will take steps necessary to deal with it. >> for the next question, the "wall street journal." >> mr. secretary, thank you for bringing us along with you in your travels. before we left d.c., you stressed that the u.s. was discussing with israel the current conflict and you added we will also be focusing on the day after. can you talk a little bit about what that looks like, in particular what is being done to ensure that whatever does come after doesn't spin into potentially short or long-term occupation? and also, are there discussions at all to create a multilateral force for gaza? and if so, would the u.s. be willing to take part in something like that? >> here's what we know and i think is agreed among everyone. there cannot and must not be a return to the pre-october 7th status quo. that's unacceptable. it's not tolerable for israel. it shouldn't be accept or tolerable by anyone else. that means that the idea of hamas remaining responsible for governance such as it was and security and posing an ongoing and enduring threat to israel and its citizens is unacceptable. so that's one thing we know. we also know that israel cannot reassume control and responsibility for gaza. it's important to note that israel has made clear it has no intention or desire to do that. so within those parameters, we are and will continue to have t discussions with partners throughout the region and well beyond about what should follow once hamas is defeated. there are a number of possibilities, permutations, but it's really premature to get into any detail about that. as important as putting this into a bigger picture, a bigger vision of how we achieve enduring and lasting peace and security in the region, and as i said earlier, the united states is convinced, we have been for some time, and i think we're only reinforced in that conviction since october 7th that the best path, maybe even the only path as i said, is through two states for two peoples. again, that is the only way to ensure lasting security for a jewish and democratic israel, the only way to ensure that the palestinians achieve their legitimate aspirations for a state of their own. so i think it's important as we're talking about all of this with every partner in the region, israel, our arab partners, and many others as well as the broader international community that we have that frame in mind and whatever we do, whatever is done also helps to advance that. that's how we're looking at it right now. >> can i just press you, mr. secretary. you're talking about the defeat of hamas, and i'm wondering, hamas is not just a bunch of individuals, but probably an ideology as well. and especially with the intense bombardment we're seeing in gaza right now, the potential for extremism down the line is high, and so, you know, when you say defeat hamas, is that being factored in, and what are you doing to address those issues as well? >> vivian, you're exactly right. this is about dealing with hamas in terms of defeating it physically. that is making sure that it can't repeat what it did on october 7th. but it is also about defeating an idea, a perverted idea, but an idea that we have to combat with a better idea, with a better future, with a better vision for what that future can be, and demonstrating that we're committed to achieving that future, that vision, because in the absence of that, even after hamas, those who sing the siren song of nihilism will find open ears. so it's imperative in our judgment that not only is hamas dealt with in a way that october 7th can never be repeated, but that we lay out a clear vision and a path to achieve that vision, that gives people something to hope for, to buy into, to grab onto. and i believe that there is a broad and strong coalition throughout the region that wants to do exactly that. all of these countries are on one side of the equation. who's on the other side of the equation? hamas, hezbollah and iran. so it's incumbent upon us, i think, not only to lay out that vision but to be clear about the ways that we propose to achieve it. this is not flipping a light switch needless to say, given how deep rooted and enduring these problems are. but we have to address this, and we have to address it concrete ways and with determination because, again, it comes back to exactly what you said. we have to demonstrate that we have a better idea and a way to achieve it. >> for the final question moving on to tunji with bbc. >> thank you, mr. secretary. the world is looking to end this war, when will you ask israel to stop it. and the next question the wave of secular violence is increasing with palestinians being killed daily. what is the united states doing to decrease settler violence against palestinians in the west bank? thank you. >> thank you. with regard to the first part of the question, again, i'll repeat what i said, we stand behind israel's right and indeed obligation to defend itself and do everything it can to make sure october 7th never happens again, and we will continue to stand with israel to achieve that. and as i've also said repeatedly, the way that israel does so matters and we've discussed today as well as in many proceeding days the imperative of doing everything possible to protect civilians, the imperative of doing everything possible to get assistance to those who need it. with regard to extremist violence that we're seeing in the west bank, this is something that before october 7th was a real concern for the united states and one that we've repeatedly raised in our engagements with the israeli government, and it's an acute concern right now. look, i don't want to speak for the israeli government. it's not appropriate, but i think it's fair to say that what i heard today was a clear commitment from the government to deal with extremist violence in the west bank. to condemn it, to take action to prevent it, to take action against those who perpetrate it, so this is important and we will be looking closely to ensure that our friends make good on that commitment. >> thank you. >> thank you very much. thanks, everyone. >> you've been listening to u.s. secretary of state antony blinken holding a news conference in tel aviv, israel. he covered a lot of ground, again, the u.s. stands with israel in their war effort here, though, again, voiced support for humanitarian pauses, expressed hope the hostages there could be released. it also said that even when he saw the suffering of palestinian children as well as israeli children, palestinian children, he recognized his own children there. we all would as parents he said. >> yeah, i mean, that press conference reminded me what an incredible difficult job secretary blinken and the u.s. government has at the moment chts he was clearly speaking to different audiences, reminding the world of what happened on october 7th with the story of a new video that he's seen, but very clearly saying to the government of prime minister netanyahu we need to do more. i think there you can replace you need to do more with we need to do more. he couldn't say you need to do more. that's what he meant. the israelis need to do more to try to stop the number of civilians that are being killed in gaza, but then as well, as you say, talking to arab audiences and talking to kind of audiences in europe and even here in the united states amongst democrats and amongst young americans who feel that perhaps the white house hasn't been valuing palestinian lives as much as it's been valuing israeli lives with that very poignant story about saying when he saw palestinian children in gaza being killed, he saw his own children as well. trying to thread multiple needles there. i know that you were listening to that along with john up in new york. and i was wondering if you had a chance to speak to tony blinken directly, what would you say to the secretary? >> thank you for this question. obviously i've thought about it while i was watching. i was the utmost respect for secretary blinken. as you said, his job is complex, and he conveyed several messages and i heard with almost all of them, we're all concerned at different levels. i would say, although i know he is committed to the cause of the hostages, that i expected that to be a point much earlier in his speech and much stronger and to create that inseparable bond between the demand for a humanitarian pause and the release of the hostages. and also, we cannot take -- we cannot take pride only in additional humanitarian aid to the palestinians which is necessary while there's zero progress towards our civilians who are being captured inside of gaza, no signs of proof of life, and no release since in the last few days or weeks. so i want there to be more integrated. i'm sure that he agrees with me. i just was expecting more in this specific speech. >> gili roman, we are so grateful that you are with us this morning, listened along with the secretary of state, sharing your experiences. we of course are thinking about your sister and hope you get good news on her soon. >> thank you very much. i'm glad that you invited me. i just want to stress that our defense of ourself is defense of all of us, of you, for all of the audience here who do not adhere to the ambitions, please help us bring our loved ones back. this is step number one. >> we again appreciate your words and joining us this morning. that does it for us this morning here on "morning joe." we will see you again on monday morning. ana cabrera picks up the coverage live on msnbc right now. right now on "ana cabrera reports," america's secretary of state is in israel as idf forces surround gaza city. antony blinken speaking just moments ago as casualties in gaza mount seemingly by the hour. >> we

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