tonight on "the reidout" -- i think that there will be certainly time for that policy discussion to take place. but that's not the place that we're in at this moment. >> i think with respect to any discussion of legislation, it's premature. there's an ongoing investigation. >> this is not the time to go back to the same tired saw over gun control. >> this is not the time to be talking about legislation. we're in the middle of that crisis right now. >> as the search continues for the lewiston, maine, killer, republicans continue to make excuses, including a familiar phrase used over the years after mass murders. now is not the time to fix the problem. and there are many other shocking but not surprising things that new speaker mike johnson has been saying since he took the gavel. and he's clearly not a big fan of the separation of church and state. plus, three weeks after the hamas terror attack, israel launches an intense new round of air strikes in gauze oz. there's tremendous anger, fear, and sadness among american jews, palestinians, and muslims. we'll hear some of those voices tonight. but we begin tonight in lewiston, maine, where a frantic manhunt is under way and a community is reeling after yet another mass shooting in america. hundreds of police officers and investigators have joined the search for robert card, who officials say shot and killed 18 people and injured several others at a bowling alley and bar wednesday night. the search today included dive teams and air searches of a river near where officials say the suspect's car was found. although three sources tell nbc news the trail and the search has gone cold. at a press conference just a few hours ago, officials read off the names of the 18 people who lost their lives that night. they include 76-year-old bob violette, also known as coach bob, who the associated press reports devoted himself to his volunteer job, coaching youth bowling league that was practicing wednesday night. and 53-year-old tricia asselin, who worked part time at the bowling alley. her mother told nbc news tricia had a great passion for life, was a loving mother, and the most caring person there ever was. >> i'm coming to maine the minute we find out when her body will be released from the morgue. i want to hold my baby one more time. i don't care. i want to put her in my arms. >> there was 44-year-old bill young and his 14-year-old son aaron. aaron was playing in that youth bowling league and was said to be an avid bowler. their family told the associated press that bill was a master auto mechanic, ails trying to be a funny guy, and a man dedicated to his family. bill's cousin shared her desbelief on the "today" show. >> they're just innocent people, just innocent people out for a night of bowling. this was a children's event. you know, who expects a shooter to go into a children's erent? this is a crazy world we live in today. >> and 42-year-old arthur strout who was playing pool with his father at the bar. his father left shortly before the shooting. arthur leaves behind a wife and five children. you also had those who lost their lives trying to stop the gunman. joseph walker, a manager at schemengees bar and grill. he was trying to confront the gunman with a butcher knife before he was killed, and michael, wheeze father told cbs news, his son and a friend charged the shooter after making sure their wives and several children were safe. both lost their lives. several of the victims were also members of the deaf community who were competing in a cornhole tournament when the rampage began. that includes joshua sears, who was an interpreter for the cdc briefings during the pandemic. beside being a tireless advocate for the deaf community, he was also a husband and father of four. here's what his wife told nbc news earlier today. >> i'm still processing. it still doesn't feel real. i'm trying to support my kids. i have a fantastic family, deaf community, i have a huge group of people supporting us, and we're not alone in this process. the other victims and their families, we're going to be connected forever by this trauma and be able to support each other in that. i tell myself one day at a time. >> and now, as lewiston adds its name to the long, long list of towns that have faced this uniquely american tragedy, republican lawmakers continue to place the blame on anything, anything except the obvious issue at hand. the new speaker of the house, mike johnson, in a sit-down interview with sean hannity last night, even offered this excuse. >> at the end of the day, the problem is the human heart. it's not guns. not the weapons. at the end of the day, we have to protect the right of the citizens to protect themselves. that's the second amendment. that's why our party stands strongly for that. >> the human heart. despite the fact that literally every person in the entire world also has a human heart. no other country, though, has this problem. only in america are there hundreds of mass shootings every year. in schools and places of worship and movie theaters, malls, grocery stores, bars, and now bowling alleys. why? because only in america can you get your hands on a weapon of war with almost no barriers, and only in america do you have an entire political party that refuses to do anything about it. congressman robert garcia responded to those comments from the new speaker, putting it very bluntly. it is actually the f'ing weapons. joining me now is nbc news correspondent emiie ikeda in lewiston, maine. give us the latest please. >> reporter: good evening. the news conference in the last hour or so, and one of the things that stood out to me in it is that we're learning more about the timing and the police response. we have been pressing the public information officers for more information. well, they revealed that off-duty officers responded to the bowling alley where the shooting first broke out within just a minute and a half. nearby, several miles away at the local bar, officers arrived in five minutes, which speaks to the extent of damage that can be done in such a short amount of time. 18 people killed in this just horrific tragedy wednesday night at these two locations. as you saw, i have spoken to a number of the victims' families and one of the things that stood out to me is that these are very difficult conversations. understandably difficult conversations for these family members have at such a tough time. but they say they don't want their loved ones to become just part of some statistic. they want the nation to really know about the innocent lives lost. today, as for the manhunt of the sweeping manhunt efforts, hundreds of officers remain on the ground. they're reviewing more than 500 tips at this point. but law enforcement says they have not sighted the suspect, robert card, since that shooting on wednesday. and now they're expanding their sweeping search efforts to include as you mentioned divers, exploring the river near where they found a car tied to the suspect. it was parked alongside a dock there. right now, we know the shelter in place, this was another new development from this evening, it has been rescinded, though they are noting that hunting is prohibited here in lewiston, along with several other nearby towns, and tomorrow, keep in mind, is traditionally the first day of deer hunting there. but another thing that stood out to me in the news conference, joy, a moment of silence, the reading of the 18 victims. again, lives taken too soon. so many hearts broken. heartbroken community here in lewiston, joy. >> nbc's emilie ikeda, thank you very much. joining me now is democratic congressman robert garcia of california. congressman, you had a very blunt reaction to the new speaker's it's the human heart, i don't even know where he's coming with that. anyway, but i want to let you say more, because i don't know. i know how i felt reading the stories of some of those 18 victims. it made me sad and mad because how many times are we going to do this and say how senseless it is and then do nothing. i want you to say more words. >> absolutely. i mean, look, first, we all get that it's incredibly sad to hear these stories, buthat sadness quickly turns into fury and anger. i think the american public is just completely mad at what is happening now in this country. we have the ability to actually stop what is happening. and yet the house republicans, the senate republicans, conservatives are choosing to do absolutely nothing. and essentially are allowing these mass killings to continue over and over again. i am sick and tired of it. the american public is sick and tired of it. the families that are dealing with it, you just featured in your show intro, which was heartbreaking, we have to turn that heartbreak into fury. we have to demand that more people just do the basic, basic changes in the laws. around gun registration, around licensing. around insuring that the assault weapons ban comes back into place. i think, of course, what representative golden did and his change in his position was heroic. i hope that other folks, especially republicans on the other side, change their minds in this moment. stop listening to the damn nra, and actually start supporting their constituents and the people. >> you mentioned representative jared golden, who represents this part of maine. here is what he said yesterday. >> i have opposed efforts to ban deadly weapons of war like the assault rifle used to carry out this crime. the time has now come for me to take responsibility for this failure. which is why i now call on the united states congress to ban assault rifles like the one used by the sick perpetrator of this mass killing in my hometown of lewiston, maine. for the good of my community, i will work with any colleague to get this done in the time that i have left in congress. >> and i just want to note that maine is one of the states that does not have the additional background checks that 21 states have extended to make it a little easier to stop people who, you know, shouldn't have these kinds of firearms from having them. i want to put up a video for you, congressman. this is the manhunt again. as police are going through lewiston and the nearby areas, that gunman, wherever he is, is as heavily armed as they are. if he has an m-4, he has what you issue people who are actually going to war. they are not more heavily armed than he is. i'm just wondering, republicans say they back the blue, they're for law enforcement, but they're also subjecting those guys to have to potentially get in a firefight with somebody who is armed equally to them. your thoughts. >> absolutely, and let's be real crystal clear. most law enforcement leadership across the country, chiefs of police across the country, support additional gun safety regulations. they support additional pieces of legislation and actions, executive actions, they'll take more guns, particularly these weapons of war, off the streets. so people really want to back the blue and back police officers in this country, i was mayor of my community for eight years before i got to congress. we need more sensible gun reform legislation in this country. and republicans at this moment, especially those in congress, should be ashamed of themselves. thas shouldn't be able to look in the mirror or at their families and be able to live with themselves with all this carnage that is happening. they actually have the ability to stop this and choose to do absolutely nothing. >> yeah, and they claim they care about crime, but everyday crimes also being committed with guns, being committed with ar-15s all over the country to say nothing of the massacres. i want you to comment on the fact the united states senate is now considering and they just approved a measure, an add-on to bill, an appropriations bill that would make it easier for some veterans who have been adjudicatedmentally, you know, less than competent, and it's going to essentially hinder suicide prevention effortses. it's going to mean that somebody who is mentally stressed with a military background can now get a firearm, which is what this guy supposedly was in maine. >> absolutely. i mean, this is unbelievable. i hope that these horrific actions that just happened, this horrific event that happened moves some people in the senate to do the right thing. what the senate should be doing is passing gun safety legislation. how about putting it back in place, the assault weapons ban we let expire, shamefully out of the senate. should be taking up this legislation, and the fact, i'm still just disgusted by our new speaker and his comments that he made just last evening that the human heart is responsible for these actions. clearly, this is about guns. this is not about prayers or about how we feel or our thoughts or the human heart. this is about one thing and it's access to guns in this country, we're the only major nation in the world that allows this to happen. when is this going to stop? we have to keep demanding this every single day, and not allow these extremists to essentially continue to allow these killings and murders to happen. >> unless what they're saying is americans are somehow inherently more depraved and murderous than anyone else in the whole world. again, to your point, it's only happening here. you can go on vacation anywhere almost in the world that is not literally at war, and you don't have to worry about getting shot in a bowling alley. only here do you have to worry about getting shot in a store, in a movie theater, at a store, in the mall. when you leave this country, you're free of it. i'm sorry, now i'm ranting. congressman robert garcia, thank you. up next on "the reidout," there is tremendous anguish in this country over lots of things, almost everything. but now, over the israel/hamas war. i think it is important that we hear from both jewish americans and palestinian americans. not as a debate but individually. we're going to do that in our next two segments to hear their concerns and fears and their hopes for the future. 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operation to help push for the release of hostages held by hamas and to get in more humanitarian aid. >> the october 7th terrorist attack by hamas and the subsequent bombing of gaza have triggered a fraught debate here in america. for two communities, muslim americans and jewish americans, this has been a deeply painful experience. and one rife with conflicting emotions. tonight, we're going to take some time to talk to people from both communities. both have expressed feeling abandoned and under threat, with a rise in islamophobic and anti-semitic attacks. the council on islamic relations said it has received 740 reports and reports of bias across the u.s. since the hamas attack. the advocacy group estimates this is the largest group of complaints in a similar period since former president donald trump called for a muslim ban. at the same time, the anti-defamation league reported an equally significant spike in anti-semitic incidents. according to preliminary data from the center on extremism, there have been more than 300 anti-semitic incidents since the hamas attacks. that's a 400% increase from the same period last year. in these very raw moments, communication is key, and how you convey your message matters. to that point, we have seen egregious incidents of certain individuals waving deeply anti-semitic signs suggesting the world needs to be clean of jewish people. others tearing down posters of israeli hostages, and some george washington university students projecting glory to our martyrs messages onto the school's library. and while that is not indicative of the message from most of those who are calling for a cease-fire, these incidence are deeply painful and triggering for jewish americans. rabba sharon brouse, who is known for her public criticism of the israeli government, summ up the views of many in a recent sermon. she said there is an existential loneliness happening within the community. and that our human ask is that people give a damn when we die. she ended her sermon calling on all of us to step closer when another people is suffering. rabbi sharon joins me now. she's the author of the upcoming book, the amen effect, which is a hopeful guide on how we break down the sense of abandonment by finding common ground and sharing in our collective grief. what a perfect book at just the right time. thank you for being here. i want you to say more. more about how you and many in your community are feeling since october 7th. >> thank you, joy. i'm really grateful that you're having this conversation in this way. it's been a really difficult time. it's the anguish, it's the sorrow, the shock and fear and the uncertainty and also the loneliness, as you said. there is this profound sense of absolute shock that not only were these atrocities committed against civilians, we now know well, 1400 israeli civilians who were murdered and more than 200 were taken captive. i think the number now is 222 who are still in captivity, but really, the response around the world has been quite shocking. and i have been thinking over the last couple weeks, if one could imagine a scenario in the world in which 1400 civilians are raped and murdered and abducted and hundreds of thousands of people around the world take this opportunity to celebrate, and it's unthinkable. at first, imagined might be some kind of moral conflict or silence from some, now we're seeing a full celebration or condoning of these kinds of atrocities. it's been incredibly painful. there's a false binary i think that's been established now, that either you have to stand for palestinian liberation and for justice for palestinians, which i personally have stood for and fought for for decades, and many in the jewish community have. now means that you ostensibly support hamas's terror. that's just atrocious. and unthinkable. there is no way that this conflict ends without us finding a way to live together, finding a liberation that is a shared liberation, building together a just society. and that means shared grieving, that means honoring the humanity in one another, and it's not happening there, and it's really not happening here on college campuses, on the street, and really across the world, sadly. >> yeah. you have said so much there, to dig into. but let's talk about some of, as you said, the reaction so quickly after october 7th, absolutely shifted to people focusing on israel's reaction and the reaction and what happened in gaza, the deaths in gaza. you are somebody who believes in intersectionality. you talked about it in your career, and as you said, you have been a supporter of black lives matter and also a supporter of palestinians' search for their own sort of liberation and having a homeland. do you think that part of the issue is that people are conflating the government in israel somehow conflating that with jewish people? because you're an example, not every jewish person in the world agrees with that government. do you think 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that anti-semitism works. it's a form of racism that operates a little differently from the way that other racisms work. one of the principles of anti-semitism is blame the entire population for the actions of one party. and we have seen that throughout history, but the other thing about anti-semitism that i think is important is built into the jewish psyche is the knowledge and awareness that jews can often survive and thrive in societies and then in an instant, something happens, everything changes, and we're victims of persecution and even genocide. so that's built in to the jewish psyche, and that's why so many jews in this time feel so incredibly vulneural, because that's what happened here. some of the atrocities we saw committed on october 7th really are nazi like atrocities. i use that language very, very carefully, but i met with many of the survivors when i was in israel last week, and i was able to talk to a number of people from one of the hardest hit communities right on the border. and what they described about the way that families were being hunted in their homes and children hiding in closets while their parents were murdered, and then their other siblings taken and abducted into gaza. these things really, they're not only horrific for what they are, but they also trigger a very profound trauma in the jewish psyche. >> yeah. absolutely. and i think that is sort of left out, as you said, of the conversation because there's such a dichotomy between what a government does and what people do. you gave a perfect answer. we have a little more time. give us some positive language that people can use who care about the loss of those 1400 precious lives and also care about the loss of life that's happening right now in gaza. what's good language we can use that is affirming and will bring us together? >> our hearts are capacious enough to hold both. if we really care about humanity, then we care not only about the jewish babies that were massacred in these 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using. >> president biden casting doubt on the palestinian death toll is the latest flash point in the gaza crisis and its devastating impact on the arab and muslim communities in america. the council on american islamic relations called the remarks shocking and dehumanizing. dehumanizing. this is how many in the community describe how palestinian people are treated even as israeli air strikes surge in gaza, destroying homes and killing dozens at a time. palestinian americans and their allies are making a desperate appeal to the world to show empathy for palestinian lives. the question remains, who was listening? joining me now is rani, founding executive director of intercity muslim action network. he was one of the participants in a meeting thursday with president biden, and he was the only palestinian american in the room. thank you so much for being here. i guess i'll start by asking you before i ask you how that meeting went with president biden, just what was your kind of visceral reaction when you heard president biden say he didn't believe the palestinians about the death toll in gaza? >> it was gut-wrenching, quite frankly, and it only really exacerbated this sense of complete alienation, indignation, that so many in the larger american muslim community and palestinians especially and those who are just concerned for the sanctity of human life have felt since the brutal attack upon gaza after this horrific incident on october 7th. it only served to underscore what this framework of dehumanization has been since those very early hours. which is something i shared directly with the president, our profound concern, disappointment, and heartbreak to hear him echo such sentence. >> and what did he have to say to you all in response to that? >> well, again, under the framework of our conversation, we generally agreed not to go into the details of what he said. i will say this, that as i shared that with him, i also shared very explicitly that some of the talking points by some of the more right-wing elements of the netanyahu government in his cabinet such as the minister of defense, that a few hours before the invasion, called not just hamas but really all of the palestinians in gaza human animals and used that as a justification for shutting off all electricity and water and saying they'll be treated accordingly. i shared that sentiment alongside the hurt, the harm of president biden citing anxiety or doubt around the death toll at a time when people across the globe are seeing bodies after bodies mass graves, churches with people that have been completely eviscerated by crumbling mortar. we shared that very specifically, and i think he received it and acknowledged it in ways that were hopeful that we'll see change come out of the white house discourse, bought it's not only we're very clear in saying we know this dehumanizing discourse around palestinians being less than human or that the sanctity of their life not being as valuable as the sanctity of life of others, we were very explicit and i was very explicit as a palestinian american saying i fully understood and stood with the president as he communicated unequivocal support and empathy for the israelis and families, american jewish families that have loved ones that were brutally killed or held hostage on that day. we understood that. we completely stood by that. and would express the same type of sentiment. however, it was just that much more jolting for a president who does certainly have the capacity to express human empathy to do so, so passionately with one group of people and then to turn around and then at a time where people are grieving the deaths of thousands of babies and children inside this open air prison in one of the most density concentrated places in the world, and then to question the numbers with no reason to do so. there was no media report on it, no independent confirmation. unfortunately, there have been many invasions in gaza and the health ministry inside gaza has aligned with the united nations and independent journalists many times. in fact, afterwards, produced a list of each and every one of the names of the 7,000 now plus deaths in gaza. so there was absolutely no reason to do that, and it just added salt to some very gaping wounds in our community that right now is reeling. >> i want to read to you a little bit of a piece that was published in "the new york times" written by a clinical psychologist and writer named hala, who is a palestinian american writer. the task of the palestinian is to be palatable or to be condemned. the task in the past two weeks is to audition for empathy and compassion, to prove we deserve it, toarn it. they're made to sing for their supper of air time and fair coverage. ey're begging reporters to dethe most basic tasks of their job. they cannot rest. palestinians are being buried in mass graves or old graves dug up to make room and there is still not enough space. i want to let you sort of expound on just your feelings on whether or not you feel the empathy of americans more broadly, not just the president, when it comes to palestinian lives. and the occupation. >> well, let me say this, that you know, we in this moment, and i was very attentive to listening to the rabbi as she was splining the suffering in the jewish community, something that we are absolutely empathetic to, and i have organized along some extraordinary rabbis here in chicago and across the country. and absolutely, as palestinians, as muslims, understand suffering. but yes, palestinians in this moment often feel like we have to make these extraordinary cases to especially those in power, and it is and has been absolutely comforting for so many to see the risk that thousands upon thousands of students from all backgrounds coming out. we don't see those positions as people articulating vile, hateful anti-semitic messages, things we would condemn and do condemn. we see people that are standing, jewish, christian, muslim voices of all backgrounds that see human suffering on a scale that is just absolutely devastating. and standing with a community in this moment, acknowledging human suffering. and that's at least some modicum of relief for us in this moment of tremendous suffering. >> indeed. well, thank you so much for being here. wishing you well to your family who i know you have as well in the region. thank you so much. we really appreciate you being here. up next, the danger of having a house speaker who has made it loud and clear -- i don't know why i'm coughing today -- that his evangelical faith underpins his entire world view. we'll be right back. baby grand . you're replacing me? customize and save with liberty bibberty. he doesn't even have a mustache. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ newly minted house speaker mike johnson is not shy about his right-wing evangelical christian faith. it is the root of his entire political 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question, to say that things have changed for the worse since the 1950s, and democrats say things have chain for the better. >> let's talk about what that means. you have got in your surv, democrats, 84% ofom say that it would be a threat where democracy of dold trump becomes president, the republican 77% the way that the democracy as president. talk a little bit about that. >> it's exactly right, the survey shows just how critical and how wrong the next 12 months are going to be in this country. we are seeing both parties talking about things in terms like that, basic city election and moving as something that's going to make democracy and the press, we've got to see a rise in the update of folks who say political violence might be necessary if things go to that extent. and in particular, one in three republicans of todaysaying that things are getting so far off track, and american patriots have to resort to violent to save the country. something like 13% of democrats say so. so yes, polarization, it really is a case of -- in terms of these extreme measures and rates to which the republican party seems to be willing to go, and how far republicans seem willing to go compared to independents and democrats. >> and this is irrespective of the facts as people have tried to enter the state of anxiety, it's not that. a 4.9% gdp owth in the third quarter. it's not that. if it's not economics, describing the polarization? >> it's the culture, stupid. right? one time the mantra was the party was three cloudy. particularly on the political divide. we really have to understand that it is the cultural side, and we give you a clear in the survey whether people are president, if you can manage the economy or protect american culture, republicans overwhelmingly blame manage evangelicals. this threat that we are seeing the republican party today. >> one of the things we're talking about, it's more of the economy experience, older voters also make a lot of republican party, and 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