it's wholly inadequate, but i know everyone is thinking about your community right now and the horror and terror they experienced and still must be experiencing as we discussed. thank you very much for joining us. >> thank you. >> joining our conversation gun safety advocate, our dear friend fred guttenbering who has helped us talk through so many news cycle like this one, so many tragic moments when an entire community made up of familyings like his is changed in an instant. his daughter jamie was murdered in the mass shooting in parkland, florida. also joining our conversation former fbi counter intelligence agent pete struck. fred, the details are being logged in every parent and tragally a lot of kids' brains today, right? this happened at a bowling alley. this happened on youth night. so add to school, add to the baseball field, add to the wal-mart, the bowling alley on youth night as a place that is no longer safe in the united states of america in 2023. >> nicolle, i thought the evolution of how we have talked about this over the years just brings to bear the reality that none of us are immune from this. it can happen anywhere. it can happen in anyplace, and it didn't need to be this way. the only part of this conversation that hasn't evolved is the reaction, unfortunately, of certain political and judicial people because they brought this to us. you know? i'm going to tell you the only thing you need to know about today and why it happened. and i've shared this with you before. 20 years ago in america we were fewer than 200 million weapons. today we're over 400 million. 20 years ago in america, ar-15s were less than 2% of all guns sold. today they're over 25%. over the past three years, ar-15s have become the most frequently used gun in mass shootings. and obviously when they were used, they are more deadly. this isn't an issue of why are americans becoming more violent? the reality is we are witnessing the end result of bad legislators passing bad policy and activist judges rubber stamping it on behalf of an industry that is profiting from this. it just is horrifying. >> fred, in this instance because i think the most dangerous thing that can happen is the sensation of saying this, right? and there are often parallels, but every tragedy, every mass shooting destroys everyone in the blast radius of tragedy for -- forever. it changes the alchemy of the town, it changes families. it changes businesses. it changes children. it changes their sense of where is safe and where is not safe. in this case what we know about this suspect is that he was sent by his superiors to -- for psychiatric treatment. and he was in possession of an ar-15-style weapon. 88% of all americans support background checks. how does that part of the pattern keep repeating itself? >> well, what we also know about the suspect is he actually was a gun instructor. he was likely a long-time gun owner. he was in a state where permitless carry was a thing, where they didn't pass red flag laws because they didn't want to go that far. and so while he was having a mental health concern which seems somewhat recent, there was no way to differentiate him from a good guy with a gun because he was teaching a bunch of them. and so, nicolle, listen, i've said this to you before. these instances of gun violence, they are predictable, they are foreseeable, they are also preventable if in fact we do real background checks without loopholes. he might have gone to a gun show to buy the gun. if we extend background checks, if we make red flag laws the law of the land and find a way to ensure even certain members of law enforcement who have said they won't follow red flag laws are forced to do so because they do save lives, listen, there's so much we can do. i just want to say one more thing because it really summed it up for me. our new speaker today offered prayers. a week ago when he had a group in his office, a second amendment group, he offered commitment to safeguard the second amendment. he offered protection of that. that's who these people are and we need to defeat them. >> so it is almost unbearable for me, fred, to do this to you and to my viewers, but i think the victims are due some airtime. so i'm going to read from "the new york times" about what one mom -- we know that 18 souls have been lost, more than a dozen more injured, but i'm going to read an account fro "the new york times" about what the mother's last 22 hou have been like. quote, for hours and hours on wednesday night jessica karcher gotnews, her son h been shot four times. he was in critical condition and on a ventilatored. first it was if he was alive or dead standing in the hospil parking lot as she kept up her vigil. now that's the only thing -- now the only thing i want to know is he going to make it. for her wednesday should have been a day to celebrate. that morning he signed a contract to buy ase at just 23 yearshis mother noted proudly. then she said he headed to schemengees, the bar for a weekly pool tournament, just one of his many hobbies. about 20 years after the shting she finally saw him and it gutted her. her tall, healthy son lay under a blue hospital gown waiting for surgery. quote, it d feel true even though i've seen him, she said. it's scary not knowing. he just doesn't even look like himself. fred, again, i apologize before and i'll apologize again for putting you in this position. but i think what makes these stories so unbearable is that that could be any one of us any day our kid is anywhere. if they're at school, at a bowling alley, at wal-mart, there is no place -- no kind of place that's been spared from mass shootings in america. >> no. and listen, my heart goes out to these families, to these parents. i often talk about the reality of gun violence isn't only about those we bury, but it is also about those who survive that will never be the same and that will require a lot of care. and this is -- this can happen to any of us. i'm tired of listening to the same old same old from the same people who go back to the same old play book because they don't want to do anything about it. and, you know, nicolle, on -- it's less than 24 hours, and i'm going to become completely political. i am determined to go work my you know what off over the next year to rid us of as many of them as possible. these shootings didn't just happen. it is the end result of a business strategy over the past 20 years that was enabled by legislators who still serve and refuse to do the will of the over 80% of america who want something done. and we need to fire them to stop this. >> pete struck, i want to bring you into the conversation. we choose to live like this. this doesn't have to happen. we weren't born this way. we live in a country of laws that permit this. my colleague tom winter reports this. quote, the assault rifle-style weapon used by accused mass shooter robert card was purchased legally in 2023. that's according to two senior law enforcement officials briefed on the matter. we choose to have no limits on the second amendment, which was never what anyone imagined for our country. >> yeah, nicolle, that's right. look, i trained with and carried an m-16 in active duty in the army and for 20 years i carried an m-4 version of that. primarily because the bad guys on the other side had access to these type of weapons. these weapons let's be clear were designed going back to the war era to kill as many people on the battlefield as possible. to be very light, to be efficient machines to cause death in the hands of a well-trained soldier. and my family comes from north carolina, on the other hand, from wisconsin. hunting families, deer hunting is a big thing. you do not ar-15s to hunt. these are weapons largely designed to kill people and we need to remember that. i have no illusions about the number of weapons that are on the streets of america. i think my heart goes out to fred and everybody else who's been -- touched somebody who's been a victim of gun violence. there are things that i think are not too objectionable that we can do right now, whether it's licening, a training, a waiting period. there are things not going to send huge ripples of infringement on the second amendment. this is happening everywhere. it's not going to stop. if you look at the data, you compare the united states not to war torn areas, not to syria, not to lebanon. if you compare it to western nations around the globe, there's nobody close to the number of mass violent incidents, and it is entirely because of easy access to automatic weapons. that's the clear cost. and so i hope we can find some way, those 18 deceased folks and their families, i have no idea how they vote. i have no idea if they're blue families or red families. they were not targeted based on any political purpose or reason, so i would hope that the political response could similarly be blind in trying to address this issue, but i fear quite clearly it's not going to be that way. >> so interesting. when anything happens to your child or your loved one, the political affiliation does nothing for you. pete, i want to ask you what a measure like this this takes to find their guy in this case. what do you think is going on? what do you think is happening behind the scenes? >> nicolle, i think you've got a massive effort under way. look, i think talking to folks, anyone trained in weapons, it is clear in the cc tv images he's moving and handling the weapon that demonstrates a great deal of proficiency as we now know he had. he's gut it tucked into his shoulder and the muzzle depressed to give him a better view of what he's looking at. he clearly was a weapons instructor so he knows what he's doing. ken dilanian reported last hour i think it was a 308, which is a larger round of an ar-15 and what that means in addition to the great legalitity we saw last night when law enforcement is responding, they're responding to somebody who has training, who can be very lethal out to a very long-range. and so when you combine not only when i was up in boston and the fbi had jurisdiction over maine, spent some time up in maine, there's a lot of space and not a lot of people. and there's also a lot of coastline and islands. and there's some indication the subject may have had a boat as well. so if you look at the ways he may have moved after the shootings, whether he stayed on land, whether he took to a boat, there's access to canada, to the north and very quickly through new hampshire into massachusetts through the south, if he was able to access a car, he could move a great deal of places. now, from a manhunt perspective a lot of things are going on. logical things of scouring his social media, executing search warrants on his residents potential places of work, his car. there's some indication i think a letter may have been found interviewing colleagues, interviewing neighbors, talking to people and coirk workers in the army, to all the sort of evidence response type issues, going and processing the crime scene, looking at just the nitty-gritty of how he did what he did, but then also all the technical elements that can be brought to bear whether that is fixed wing or rotary wing, helicopter type aircraft that had heat sensing cameras so on and so forth. but there's a lot going on right now. >> pete stzok and fred, and always wrestle with whether to retraumatize you and take you through these issues, so i appreciate you joining us and reaching out to us today. still to come for us in just over an hour, we're expecting a police update on the mass shooting. we'll keep an eye on any and all developments. as the manhunt is under way we'll bring them to you we promise. for now we're going to turn to the election interference case against the former president. special counsel jack smith pleading to reinstate the gag order against donald trump as he continues to be an active threat to both the trial and 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here as evidence. the filing reads, quote, the defendant has return today the very sort of targeting that the order prohibits including attempting to intimidate and influence foreseeable witnesses and commenting on the substance of their testimony. for example, on october 24, 2023, the defendant took to social media to respond to a news report claiming that his former chief of staff identified in thendictment had testified in exchange r a grant of immunity. eefendant does not need to explicitly insight harassment or violence in his public statements because he well knows that by publicly targeting perceived adveritaries with inflammatory language, he can mainin plausible deniability. he seeks to use it to his advantage while sul mulltaneously disclaiming any responsibility to the acts he causes. let's bring in msnbc legal analyst glenn kirschner back with us and first amendment scholar anderson jones. let me come to you first on what is perhaps one of the most striking contrasts between special counsel jack smith's paper, the things he produces in filings. and if you look just to the mueller period, these filings are rooted in moment to moment changes in the landscape where they resolve around threats of violence. and i wonder if you can speak to two things. one, does that inintersect with the federal government's assessment of the kurmt threat environment and their intersectionality with grievances about the 2020 election and 2024 election and trump's trials. and are they amplified by real concerns about witness tampering? >> yeah, i think, you know, jack smith has been very forward leaning, very direct direct. i wouldn't say hyperbolic but he has pulled no punches in his court filings, and i was kind of happy to see that when you get about 10 or 11 pages into this most recent filing where he is arguing hard in favor of why judge chutkan should lift the temporary stay chat she put in place because of course the moment she put that stay in place donald trump began to violate the gag order that, yes, had been stayed in sort of two of the three ways he had been gagged, he had been prohibited from speaking. and if i could read just one sentence, nicolle on page 11 where jack smith really pulls it all together and highlights why donald trump is different than literally every other defendant, the special counsel's team writes -- there has never been a criminal case in which a court has granted a defendant an unfettered right to try his case in the media, malign the judge as a fraud and hack, attack the prosecutor as a deranged thug. and promising if you go after me, i'm coming after you, target specific witnesses with attacks on their character and credibility even suggesting one witness's actions warrant the punishment of death. you know, that is powerful. it's accurate. i think it sings as far as legal pleadings go. and this, i think, demonstrates why donald trump is such a danger and not only needs to be gagged. but when you plow through 30 pages of this pleading on page 31, you finally see the mention of the potential of revocation of release and pretrial detention. so, you know, jack smith is not pulling any punches. >> that means jail. >> that means jail pending trial. >> so jack smith follows i guess chris christie and judge engoron who also have been talking increasingly about the possibility that donald trump, the former president of the united states spent time in jail which even someone steeped in all the illegal conduct going back to it the sdny campaign finance cases that weren't charged, he was individual one, i wonder does it seem like what he's trying to have happen based on just an objective analysis of his conduct? >> well, i think that that assertion is really the center piece of the tensions that we see in both spaces, in both the filing that the doj has just made and in the enforcement issues that both of these judges are trying to straddle when they're thinking about how far they will go in bringing about the enforcement measures that are at their fingertips. and i think a big piece of this is this question of plausible deniability we have been seeing threaded through both sets of issues. the doj's recent filings certainly leans heavily into this question of plausible deniability, the language that you read about his awareness of the power of his audience and the way in which court personnel and witnesses can be made to feel targeted while he disclaims responsibility for that targeting, but that plausible deniability is also a really strong undercurrent in the enforcement end of these two gag orders and ties into the question you just asked. technically donald trump hasn't violated either of those -- those orders. instead he dances at the very absolute edge of all of them. in the d.c. case he, of course, wasn't subject to the order during the time that he made all of these most recent statements because the judge paused them to give some thought to what needed to happen while the question was on appeal, and he took advantage of that to amp up the kind of rhetoric that the judge had said was particularly dangerous to the integrity of the proceeding and to its participants. in the new york situation when the judge chastised the defendant for continuing his attacks on the law clerk, on his campaign website, and then repeating them to the press, he argued that the first of these was inadvertent and that the second of these was a reference to somebody else. so we're seeing this theme of walking this line with plausible deniability and really a big game of chicken that is going on here. in first amendment doctrineal terms, we really do care a lot about the precision. we're very nervous about overbreadth and vagueness. you can see how this increases the incentives for someone inclined to weaponize plausible deniability and that's the circumstance we see coming to the forefront here. >> i mean that i think that, glenn kirschner, over the last eight years, some parties had been reluctant to amass the facts as we can all see them with our own eyes and ears. and jack smith does not fall down at that path as the rest of us do. if you read this from the filing, it's something that we covered here, but it's extraordinary to read here in this filing. quote, see the exale of the united states versus taranto after he posted what he claimed was theddress of former barack obama on social media, taranto reposted the address look with a second post st quote, see yo in hell podesta's and obama and proceeded to the area while live streaming himself while talking about, quote, getting a shot and an angle. trump's followers take him literally. political violence has ensued. we live in a post-january 6th america. not a what if they take him literally. they do, they did, and they continue to represent that threat so says jack smith in his filing, glenn. >> you know, nicolle, i would argue that the institutions of government are proving themselves ill-equipped or perhaps not up to the task of treating the sort of ultimate ruling class criminal, a former president of the united states who tried to install himself in the oval office over the will of the american voters as a dictator. he tried to bring an end to the american experiment. it doesn't feel like the court system or the institutions of government writ large are meeting the urgency of the moment. and, you know, when i was sitting in court when the gag order was originally being argued and i heard judge chutkan say the following. if it were any other defendant on release pending trial in a federal felony case, who accused the prosecutor who was handling his case, of being a deranged thug, that person would be in pretrial detention. nicolle, one, that is the disputably true. and two, it is so disheartening because it is an express recognition that we're treating donald trump differently than -- and here's the real injustice of it. the tens of thousands of other pretrial detainees all across this country who are sitting in jail cells awaiting trial because a judge has determined by clear and convincing evidence that they are either a flight risk or a danger to the community, i would hazard a guess that not a single one of them is as dangerous to the community or to society or to our democracy as is donald trump, but the system is for whatever reason declining to meet the moment. >> i want to -- i want to press on that a little bit more. i'm going to ask both of you to stick around. we're also going to talk about what jack smith is saying in these filings about three of donald trump's former attorneys who have all now pled guilty to crimes in the georgia election interference case. stay with us. stay with us (sean) i wish for the amazing new iphone 15 pro! 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>> i think it influences them a great deal. and one of the things that has been most notable for people watching this from a first amendment vantage point is that we are accustomed to seeing cases that create a bit of attention between fair trail and free press values. on the question of the integrity of the proceeding. here the doj is leaning in what's at risk here is not just the integrity of the proceeding but also the safety and well-being of the participants of that proceeding from court personnel to witnesses, to prosecutors and judges. and those sorts of arguments are quite new. they're new and complicated. and a big piece of what you see happening in the filing that the doj has most recently made is a real sensitivity to not wanting to make judges nervous about bad facts making bad law. they're trying very hard to protect the integrity of the first amendment doctrineal structure going forward while also drawing some links, connecting some dots there pointing out that the chief of staff or the vice president of the united states himself saw the real risk of the kinds of threats that could come from this speech. helping to explain the uniqueness of this defendant, the uniqueness of the power of his extra judicial speech, and trying to create a path forward for them to be able to deal with the question of the threat that is posed while not doing harm to the larger first amendment edifice that we need and want to have in place for future cases. >> glenn, there's something that i've sort of been looking at because i don't know what to deal with it. it's sort of the social media version of a pile of manure. it's an utterance from trump that deals with all of this. not going to read it. it includes a new smear against a pulitzer prizewinning journalist, a new smear about "the new york times." we know trump wrote it because he spells choking chalking. but i want to ask you about the capacity to be nimble as trump just he has this verbal diarrhea. i mean how agile are prosecutors and judges in dealing with contemporaneous violations of gag orders and threats that intersect with real threats of violence and witness tampering? >> nicolle, after 30 years as a fed, i can attest to the fact that doj is not particularly nimble. doj -- and it was my professional home, and i love it. i love the hardworking people who are still there representing the american people well and faithfully every day, but they certainly do not deal with novel legal issues or circumstances particularly well or quickly. but, you know, i think that jack smith understands not only the capacity for more violence but the high likelihood of more violence given donald trump's thus far unabated, dangerous, and inflammatory rhetoric. and that's why when you finally get to page 31 of a 32-page pleading there's some legal technicalities and some gymnastics going on in that next to last page. but what he says in no uncertain terms is judge chutkan we are asking you to, one, lift the stay, reimpose the gag order. and more importantly we are asking you to make compliance with the gag order a specific condition of release. why does he make that request? because if it's a specific condition of release, first of all, you don't have to worry, well, what do we do if he violates it? do we impose a money sanction or do something else? if you violate a specifically imposed condition of release, then the law specifically 18 united states code section 3148 for those scoring at home says the following. it says if you violate a condition of release imposed by the court, then you are, quote, subject to a revocation of release, an order of detention and prosecution for contempt of court. jack smith is making his way to getting donald trump in a jail cell if he violates a gag order once the judge reimposes it and makes compliance with it a specific condition of release. >> just to be clear that's the next step. she has to rule on whether or not to reimpose the narrowly tailored gag order and then that process would be the process that would determine the sanctions for violating it, glenn? >> exactly. >> okay. all right. i feel like i'm going to -- i should be counting credits, right. thank you to both of you. this was lots of words but you made sense of all of them. a quick break for us. we'll be right back. a quick break for us we'll be right back. 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today calling on a brand new speaker of the house, his name is mike johnson, to work with president joe biden to get something, anything done to protect americans. >> the house has a new speaker who he said -- he said he's ready to get to work and to find common ground. now is the time. now is the time to find common ground. let's work together to ban assault weapons and high capacity magazines. let's work together to enact universal background checks, require safe storage of guns, and keep guns out of the hands of criminals and dangerous individuals who have no business being armed with a weapon of war. >> for his part speaker johnson who has offered thoughts and prayers to the victims has voted against all those gun safety measures listed there by karine jean-pierre and others in the past. and he's previously blamed school shootings on abortion and the teaching of evolution, comments not to be believed really from a man who is right now two heartbeats away from the presidency. and when it comes to other national issues, here is where the new speaker, speaker johnson stands. he supports a national abortion ban. last year he introduced a flags wide version of a don't say gay bill, and he has spoken out in support of banning marriage equality. johnson was also a key architect in the attempted coup to keep donald trump in power after he lost the 2020 election. the brand new republican speaker of the house was the one who led that legal front, the amicus brief supporting the texas lawsuit that sought to invalidate the presidential election results in four swing states that president joe biden won. republican speaker johnson's win in the republican circus over the last three weeks makes clear that there is no longer any question to be asked about where the republican party stands, a question central to american democracy. matt gaetz, the man who started all this, this latest republican congressional upheaval weeks ago when he started the move and started to oust mccarthy. >> when the swamp is on the run, the maga is ascendant, and if you don't think moving from kevin mccarthy to maga mike johnson shows the ascendance of this movement and where the power in the republican party truly lies, then -- then you're not paying attention. >> that is where we start the hour with some of our most favorite reporters and friends. nbc news capitol hill correspondent allie vitali is back with us, david jolly, and political analyst don everts is with us. this is his moniker, and this is why he won, and this is repellent to swing state voters who will be critical to growing a majority or even keeping it. what do republicans have to say about what is a political mess? >> first of all, please don't ruin magic mike for nee. i love channing tatum in that movie. please leave channing tatum and mike johnson completely separate. but now we've gotten that out of the way, i do think republicans went through the last three plus weeks of chaos, and it was chaotic and all of them said it, and now there are attack ads where republicans can in their own words describe their majority as chaotic and dysfunctional. that exists, but i also think they may have landed in a place that was both more true to the ethos of the house republican conference than mccarthy was as a leader bullet also someone in mike johnson who has more politically problematic baggage than mccarthy ever did. and here's why i mean that. you know that i'm someone who really believes abortion is such a landscape changing issue. we saw it in 2022. it's still being tested in realtime. the post-roe landscape is still very much unfolding in realtime before us, and we don't know what the electoral implications of that are going to be. but when you look at someone like speaker johnson, he allows that to be tested in realtime because whoever the speaker is becomes a national figure for this party. the fact he's someone who pushed for a national ban is something that already i've been asking republican women about, people like south carolina's nancy mace, nicole maltalkious from new york. mace even yesterday reiterated to me this party, her party has a problem with the way it talks about women and reproductive care and bodily autonomy. yes, that is a problem we have seen play out at the polls in the small grouping ballot box moments we've had on this issue. but mace also defended her vote for johnson and malliotakis did the same saying they're not going to agree with every speaker on every issue. this is where it becomes not just a problem on abortion but lgbtq issues, mass shootings. i think when karine jean-pierre earlier said it's a time to come together on points of commonality, i think the question we should probably be asking ourselves in the house of congress is what if there are no points of commonality to explain the fact we've seen even more inaction after last year when they saw more legislation on this issue. i think that's the reality here when you talk about cultural issues and relate them back to speakers office, there's a lot we're going to unpack in realtime. >> we're going to do all of that because we have two hours to work with. we're going to do abortion, mass shooting, marriage equality. let's start with abortion since you brought us there. so a lot of the bans eliminate exceptions in the case of rape and incest. that is opposed by 87% of all americans. a lot of the bans also make impossible exceptions for the life of the mother. that is the opposition of 93% of all americans. here is the new republican speaker of the house mike johnson at the house judiciary committee sharing a little bit of his views on abortion. >> roe v. wade gave constitutional cover to the elective killing of unborn children in america, period. think about it, let it settle on you. as a result the lives of more than 63 million american children have been lost. you think about the implications of that on the economy. we're all struggling here to cover the bases of social security and medicare and medicaid and all the rest. if we had all those able-bodied workers in the economy, we wouldn't be going upside down and toppling over this. >> a woman's right to make choices about her pregnancy or own life in the case of rape or incest are reduced to, quote, to the speaker able-bodied workers in the economy. wow. has anyone seen that? >> that's actually even just from last year. i know that as opposition research and you and most everyone on this panel knows how this work. people dig into the archives and certainly that has been happening to now speaker johnson's past statements from the time he was in the louisiana legislature, from his time as a lawyer for a conservative religious freedom group. all of that is out there. but this is not oppo in the sense they had to dig for it. may of 2022, this is the current iteration of the judiciary committee on which he serves. i think it's instructive to look at the committees johnson himself serves on. it's not just the judiciary where under jim jordan they have been one of the leaders leading the charge on one of the investigations of the biden administration and related allies and family members but also the fact johnson serves on the select committee on so-called weaponization of government. it's a red meat committee. we haven't heard too much about it, but it's a reminder this is a guy who serves at the very center of a lot of these republican red meat issues and moments that they're attempting to push it out of this building. >> i mean, david jolly, the truth of this circus and we have covered for the whole network for the last two weeks is that the structural impediment to winning the votes of gaetz and all of his ilk meant the electoral baggage that the eventual speaker would have would be exactly what it is. that said we're not going to look away. here is republican speaker mike johnson in 2016 in shreveport, louisiana. >> people say how can a young person go into their schoolhouse and open fire on their classmates? because wave taught a whole generation, a couple generations now of americans there is no right or wrong, that it's about survival of the fittest. why is that life sacred or valued? because there's nobody sacred to whom it's owed. none of this should surprise us. >> this is who they are, i guess. >> yeah. i would suggest it might also be because we have gun laws that allow a 16-year-old access to a firearm. but mike johnson and i see that issue differently. i think this conversation you're having with allie is a very important one, because i think in the rush of the entry against oh, no is mike johnson better or worse than kevin mccarthy or what if it was this person or that person? i don't see mike johnson's ascendance to the speakership is a change at all. it is a reminder and i think this is the importance of the conversation you and allie are having. it's a reminder to the nagds of where the republican party is today on critical issues of importance to them be it guns, be it reproductive rights, be it immigration, be it voting rights, be it the willingness to steal a free and fair election from joe biden. mike johnson is a reminder to the nation of that. and i do think the other issue that comes into play with mike johnson is his -- his public living of his religious beliefs in the political arena. and i know this is a tricky issue, but i would say even among conservative republicans, many believe that the way you empower a church is actually use government to secure freedom for all people, and that allows faith based institution tuesday thrive and change hearts and minds at the alter, not within the capitol. and mike johnson's willingness and interest in using government to legislate religious tenants and morality puts him into a really tricky space that just really accelerates how out of step they are with main stream america on critical issues of personal liberty. >> david jolly, let me juspu up the numbers of on abortion these are on the other side of 65 ofllmericans. on gun safety he's on the other side. i guess today we' wait and see if he responds to karine jea pierre and president joe biden. it puts him on 88% on the other side of americans on guns and marriage equality. he's on the other side of 71% of americans who believe in marriage equality. i see the electorate the way allie does. i think that the notion that dobbs was going to recede between the springtime and the fall of the mid-terms suggested that we forget about our uteruses in six months. i mean that is a forever issue, and that's an issue for everyone who's female, everyone who has a daughter, everyone who has a sister-in-law, everyone who has a mother. and there's a lot of hidden votes. there are a lot of male voters who care a lot about aconomy and who have learned the stories of women who desperately wanted their babies. willow was the child being carried by amanda in texas. and when that pregnancy was not viable, she almost died because she couldn't obtain health care. i think the landscape has shifted even more than it had in the six months between dobbs and the mid-terms, but the truth is he's on the other side of 65% of all people including a plurality of republican people. >> yeah, that's right, nicolle. and i would add that the data reflects some people in a post-dobbs environment moving from republicans to democrats sit in church pews on sunday mornings, who have realized the question now is whether or not i favor a real framework, not whether i identify as pro-life or pro-choice. mike johnson is out of step even with those people he might worship with on sundays. i think the important thing here and i think this is critical, the focus is on mike johnson because he's a speaker, the focus is on matt gaetz, but the focus should be on every single republican house member that voted for mike johnson because they bear this burden now as well. they are the ones that affirmed mike johnson's leadership of the party. they are the ones who said with my vote as your representative i am going to affirm and adopt and elevate this hard-right agenda. and so if you're sitting in a republican district in florida or if you're a republican in a biden district, one of those 18, guess what, you own mike johnson's agenda. it is yours. you don't get to distance yourself from it. all house republicans going into the 2024 cycle now share the same ideology as mike johnson, there is no new odds around that. sorry, you don't get to have it both ways. >> this is some rep in politico from this morning. quote, dems and their allies are salivating over the possibility of using the new speaker as a cudgel and think it'll make it easier to flip the house in 2024 when swing district mike whauler of new york voted yesterday for johnson on the floorren, one democrat could be heard in the chamber saying bye-bye. >> wow. here's the thing. mike johnson dresses well. you know, the glasses go off, he's kind of the bookworm. but he is as extreme as any of the maga republicans are in that conference. and he is a perfect reflection of where the republican party is right now. and so you can imagine that while a lot of people play not know mike johnson like right now, that democrats are going to ensure that they know him come november. and all of the extreme policies that you -- policy positions you've outlined where he is on not just sort of just to the right on some of these issues, he is way over when it comes to a range of these issues that are important to the american people. and the republican party is going to be defined by them. and they won't be able to help themselves because now the center of that party is what we used to describe as the fringe right, and i think that democrats especially in those biden leaning districts are going to lean straight in to abortion politics. where he even is on climate is to the extreme. and now with this latest mass shooting you can bet they're going to hang that around his neck and around the necks of the republican party. >> i need all of you to stick around. and i want to show you more of his role in trying to overturn the result of an election on which his name was on the ballot, right? so he went back to congress based on the votes in 2020. i'll show you what he had to say about that. maga mike, i'm still not over it. i promise not to conflate it with magic mike, but we're going to go there again. also again we'll have a live update on the manhunt currently under way for the gunman in that horrific mass shooting that has left 18 people dead in maine. and we'll get to the latest developments in the middle east where israel launched what it called a limited ground operation ahead of the next stage of the war. 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( ♪♪ ) ( ♪♪ ) ( ♪♪ ) ( ♪♪ ) constant contact delivers the marketing tools your small business needs to keep up, excel, and grow. constant contact. helping the small stand tall. madam speaker, we have a solemn responsibility today, we must vote to sustain objections to states of electors submitted by states that we genuinely believe clearly violated the constitution and the presidential election of 2020. in the months proceeding the 2020 election as we heard, and by the way 1,000 pages of evidence have just been submitted on the facts on this, those well-established rules and procedures were deliberately changed. they weren't change bide the legislature, friends. they were changed by judges. it's the primary reason why the election of 2020 became riddled with an unprecedented number of serious allegations of fraud and irregularities all over the country. >> we know something about that we didn't know at the time. that was on january 6th, the day of the insurrection. by then bill barr had quit because none of that was true. there was no evidence of fraud. there was no predicate for any investigations. he had left. we also know 60 of the 61 lawsuits that had been filed by rudy giuliani had failed. there was never any evidence produced. we also know that everybody around donald trump, even mark meadows based on new reporting from abc, had told him it was a lie. he's out there sort of last man standing, tip of the spear in perpetuating a lie that led to the deadly insurrection. he's now the leader, now the speaker of the house of representatives. >> well, they got what they paid for, didn't they? i think what has happened here is that ascendant wing of the republican party that really sought to undermine the election, that denied joe biden victory in 2020 is now at the center of power in washington, and again, it is reflective of the republican party. but keep in mind that mike johnson is also one who dabbled in the conspiracy theories of the dominion voting machines. he -- he claimed that there was mass fraud all across the country. he led and wrote the legal documents that underpinned lawsuits challenging the 2020 election. he was at the center of the controversy. he may not have been a household name, but he was indeed the architect. and now he's the speaker of the house of representatives. >> david jolly, think about what she just said. if you're at fox news and you paid 800 million buckaroos and got rid of your star, if you're a lawyer who was charged in rico case in georgia and you told those lies, you've now got felony or misdemeanor crimes on your record. you pleaded guilty to crimes four of them one of them involved with fake electors he was on the floor talking about. the other three lawyers with trump who pleaded guilty to the very crimes that secured this man, the speakership. is it upside down, or are we just getting lonely here on earth one? >> well, this is going to be interesting how mike johnson handles this because i think his refusal to answer questions from allie and some of our colleagues from the press corp on the hill seems to appear he wants the issues to go away, and he would prefer to be thought of as passively advocating for the independent state legislature through this legal brief. the problem is what mike johnson and house republicans did was not passive advackacy of a legal theory. it was active participation in a conspear to steal an election. what i mean by this is at the root of the conspiracy, not the legal one in georgia, but the conspiracy to steal the election is is that people in trump's orbit were going to sow seeds of doubt and controversy across the country sufficient to have the republican state legislature to say i don't know if i can certify the results. that was it, that was the goal. and the active participation of house republicans and even senate republicans was going to be able to pick up that shuttle and say, look, we have republican ledge s slaichers who are now doubting this and therefore the house should step in. is past performance an indication of future performance? probably so. would mike johnson do it again? and instead of saying no, he won't do that again, we should presume he would. >> the 2020 election was deemed the, quote, most secure election in u.s. history by lifelong republican chris krebs, and he didn't vote to certify that. will the new speaker certify the 2024 election if joe biden wins re-election? >> you know, i think sometimes to viewers it might seem like reporters just want to have their questions answered just because, but there's a reason why we want that. it's because i as a reporter when i ask elected officials have you changed your mind, where do you stand on a position, i'm open to the fact between 2020 and now potentially he changed his mind. i'm open to that. i don't know because rachel scott from abc tried to ask about the 2020 election, others have tried to ask. i think it's important to let politicians speak for themselves, so i'm open to eventually hearing that answer because we need it. that is definitely something that voters as they go to the polls next november will need to know. also as the reporter on this panel, i think it's really great when there's a stark, clear, direct contrast between the people that appear on voters ballots. and i do think that what we're going towards next november. the next time voters will get a real bite at the amyl on a national scale, i think it's hard to predict. as much as i would throw my hat on abortion being a helping issue for democrats and people who would want to have bodily autonomy for women and choose what happens to them, i do think it's hard to predict because with trump on the ballot, all of us know how hay wear that can be in the ways that he motivates or doesn't motivate parts of the electorate to come out. we don't know. we're too far-out. but i do think that the thing we're seeing from the house right now on the democratic and republican side on every issue we've spoken about today -- abortion, gay marriage, lgbtq plus issues, gun violence prevention, fiscal responsibility, the way that budgeting in the government should work -- all of these things, there's a clear contrast. and i think that's good for voters to make an informed decision with. >> ali vitally, your reporting and analysis from up there has been just stunning. thank you so much for carving out so much time for us today. david jolly and dona edwards, can't have any of these conversations without you. thank you so much for starting us off. when we return, we'll turn back to our top story today, the breaking news out of maine, the deadly massacre in that state. we'll have a live update on the sprawling manhunt still under way right now with the shooter after a short break. stay with us. a short break. stay with us n check with rinvoq, a once-daily pill. when i wanted to see results fast, rinvoq delivered rapid symptom relief and helped leave bathroom urgency behind. check. when uc tried to slow me down... i got lasting, steroid-free remission with rinvoq. check. and when uc caused damage rinvoq came through by visibly repairing my colon lining. check. rapid symptom relief... lasting steroid-free remission... ...and the chance to visibly repair the colon lining. check, check, and check. rinvoq can lower your ability to fight infections, including tb. serious infections and blood clots, some fatal; cancers, including lymphoma and skin cancer; death, heart attack, stroke, and tears in the stomach or intestines occurred. people 50 and older with at least 1 heart disease risk factor have higher risks. don't take if allergic to rinvoq as serious reactions can occur. tell your doctor if you are or may become pregnant. put uc in check and keep it there with rinvoq. ask your gastroenterologist about rinvoq and learn how abbvie can help you save. dude? 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>> reporter: absolutely. i think one of the first things i can do also is set the scene for you here a bit, nicolle. this is a community under 40,000 people, very tight-knit. a lot of people here tell me they grew up here, they were teenagers here they came back and have their own kids, nieces and nephews, cousins who live down the street. it's the kind of place where everyone knows each other, they maybe have their routine spot like the war where some of this took place last night that they go to all the time, they're regulars, and it's just a routine. one of the words or one of the phrases someone use r used today with me is things like this just don't happen here and there's just this utter shock that has come over people as they struggle to make sense of it, and because of the fact that robert card is still on the run, they even feel like it's hard to move on and grieve. they feel there's so much about the victims. there's still so much about the man where he is, what he's thinking and there's so much in the contents of this letter he's left behind, and that's left people at a complete loss. what we understand here. i'm actually in front of the medical center where three people are in critical condition. shortly after 7:00 p.m. last night people started to arrive here. one witness who was outside described for me today how what she saw was both children and adults coming in critical condition being rushed in. they brought in about 100 people who were off-duty to help work around the clock overnight right behind me here to save peoples lives. 18 people are dead but only eight of those 18 have actually been positively identified. so that means there are ten people and at least ten families who have been waiting for the worst news of their lives. and at this point almost 24 hours into this what i'm hearing those families are starting to kind of self-identify. but what that actually tells us is just a level of gruesomeness, of horror at the scene. part of the reason that authorities and community members are having a hard time really tracking and understanding the victims we hear is because of just the level of carnage that this kind of weaponry wreaks. and when you are in close conditions like at a bowling alley or at a bar and restaurant, and he was able to move through -- drive across town and very quickly, relatively quickly bring all of this carnage. and so what is ahead of investigators here is a process of dna identification, reaching out to community members and family members before we at the press find out and go public with them, of course. it's that dreaded feeling. several of our colleagues on the ground have spoken to people who have just been waiting, calling this facility hour after hour. do you know anything about this loved one? have you heard anything, do you know this name? they can't get those answers still. they're reaching out to people on facebook. they're calling some of the local radio stations to just grieve publicly with the familiar voices and people they know in the community because that's one of the few outlets they have. they can't leave their homes. they're sheltered in place. they can't go to vigils because it's not safe. people are worried about this guy could show up. someone told they turned off lights last night, locked up cars and barns in communities because they didn't want their home to be a target. there is the physical carnage, there is the investigation, but there's also the psychological carnage and terror here that you can feel very publicly on the ground, and i think that is going to be part of the story for weeks and months to come, nicolle. and just on the first day of covering a story can't even properly account for. >> well, you've traveled an extraordinary distance and deepening our understanding, and tragically it isn't the first time a journalist like yourself has had to articulate what you're saying, that these weapons of war are just that. and so everything that's happening is a tragedy wrapped in a trauma, wrapped in another gruesome tragedy. please, you know, wave your arms if you learn anything new, and we really appreciate you for being there and bringing us that. let me add into our coverage the managing editor of the lewiston sun journal. i am so sorry for your loss and for the losses of the sense of security that it sounds like the whole community is dealing with today. >> yeah, that's very accurate. it's been a very long almost 24 hours. everyone is holding in there. the entire city and several surrounding towns are still pretty much on lockdown. not a lot of people outright now, just a lot of police vehicles and everyone trying to be safe. >> what's that like? >> very odd. it's a bustling little city, and comparatively speaking to boston and new york, this is a very small city. but it's the second largest city in maine, so we're used to, you know, a lot of cars, a lot of people. i was out just a little while ago on the hunt for something to drink actually. but all of the stores were closed, all of them. gas stations, grocery stores, wal-mart, everything is closed. so there are people, you know, that don't really have anywhere to go and nor do they really want to i think until this person is found, until card is found i think everyone wants to stay indoors because he's seemingly unpredictable, he's armed that we know. so i think we're all playing it pretty cautious. >> marla, we have only shown his picture and said his name because it's our understanding that the manhunt is under way, and sometimes it's helpful if people see the picture and the face and the clothes. but i wonder if you know anything about the suspect. >> well, we know that he frequented the bar that he shot up, schemengees. he was a member of a league there of corn hole. and he was well-known there. so we're trying to find any possible motivations at this point, and we believe he was also familiar with the bowling alley as well. so that could be a reason why he chose those two places. but, again, we're still researching that at this point. >> you're a journalist, and your town is the story. what is that like? >> also really bizarre. i was dealing with last night my son who's 9 was aware of what was going on. school was canceled for him today, and that came up pretty early in the night. so he was scared, and he knew his mommy was at work, so when i got home last night he was sleeping. but then shortly after he woke up, and he was up almost the rest of the night coming into my bedroom and, you know, telling me he heard noises and he thought he heard scratching at the window. so i would get up and reassure him and lay him back down, but it was like an all night thing. and i'm 100% sure parents were doing that all over the area last night. so that's just one example of what we're dealing with. and especially i mean forget about the fact this even happened, the fact he hasn't been found yet, and it's really setting people on edge. >> yeah, i mean there -- we live in a country and certainly -- i mean we go through covering the news where we have to be prepared for this to happen somewhere at any point. but to happen there, i mean that feels like part of what makes this so excruciating. to a person everyone i've seen in interview said i don't like my door, i can't believe it happened here. >> for sure. at my house we do lock our door at night, but i always leave my car unlocked. we definitely didn't do that last night, and i won't be doing it tonight, maybe ever. it changes your perspective. i was thinking about this today. i have sort of a personal connection to the sandy hook school shooting. i grew up right near there, a town over. and i know many people in that town, so when that happened that was devastating enough. and i just couldn't imagine having that happen in my community, and now, you know, it's become very real. and that's hard to process, you know, especially here in our newsroom where i am now we're just getting a deluge of information just like your reporters then field are. but we're hearing stuff from people that our staff know. and that's kind of devastating and we have to stay professional, but it's tough. >> how do you do that? >> we have to put different hats on, keep ourselves a little bit disconnected in a way. we have to. it's really, really hard, but you have to otherwise you don't get through it, and we're all trying to take breaks. i mean we have an editor that's been on. since last night i cut out about 3:30 last night and he stayed up through the morning. he's still on, so he's probably been up close to 24 hours so -- and he's at work usually during the day. so the fact he stayed up all night, that just shows the dedication that our staff here has. because, you know, the last thing we want is people getting misinformation or hearing rumors and thinking it's true and more people panicking. like right now we're trying to follow a situation out in bowdoin. there's a home that as a large police presence. someone was reporting that there was gunshots, explosions, and we think that they were searching -- we believe they're searching a home that belonged to card's family. and a neighbor has told us that that home was empty and hadn't been lived in for a while. and so we're trying to get a little bit more information about why they were there, if it was regard to a tip or they're just crossing their t's and dotting their i's warb we're not sure yet. but i imagine for the neighbors seeing that happen is pretty alarming, too. >> marla, we're plaunterring the very same events. you are ahead of us with all your local sources and knowledge, and i think that i will think about your son, your 9-year-old son tonight, and i'll think about you and we'll continue to call on you as we cover this story. marla hoffman, thank you very much for spending time with us today. >> you're welcome. when we come back, a live report from israel, from the israel-gaza border after israel forces launched a limited ground operation into the gaza strip ahead of what is expected to be a much larger ground war. that's next. a much larger grounr that's next. we really don't want people to think of feeding food like ours is spoiling their dogs. good, real food is simple. it looks like food, it smells like food, it's what dogs are supposed to be eating. no living being should ever eat processed food for every single meal of their life. it's amazing to me how many people write in about their dogs changing for the better. the farmer's dog is just our way to help people take care of them. ♪ (vo) get more...without paying more-with tracfone. like more monthly data... take care of them. ...at the same price. plus unlimited carryover... ...and unlimited talk and text... ...on america's most reliable 5g network visit tracfone.com or your local walmart to switch now. teeth sensitivity is so common. it immediately feels like somebody's poking directly on the nerve. i recommend sensodyne. sensodyne toothpaste goes inside the tooth and calms the nerve down. and my patients say you know doc, it really works. ♪ ♪ ♪ cargurus. shop.buy.sell.online. we're trying to stay strong. we're trying to manage our supplies as much as possible, basically securing drinking water day to day until we are able to get out with help from the state department, and we're hopeful that we'll live another day to see that happen. >> that was the voice of a palestinian american who is right now trapped along with his wife and 1-year-old son. they're among the 400 americans with right now no way out of gaza. quote, nowhere is safe according to a united nations official. and where more trucks carrying water, food, and medicine arrived today, but agencies say much more is needed to support the devastating humanitarian crisis there. it is still unclear when israel's expected ground invasion will begin with its soldiers stationed near the border awaiting further orders. meanwhile, today israel says its fighter jets struck and killed one of the two hamas leaders it says was responsible for planning the october 7th terror attack. and overnight its troops conducted a rare targeted raid into the into the northern gaza strip overnight using tanks to strike terror anti tank missile launches posts. a continuation of what "the new york times" today calls one of the most intense my campaigns of the 21st century. 19 days after hamas terrorists killed and took hostage. let's bring in our correspondent in tel aviv. just tell us what you've been covering today. what is the latest? 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