live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. a mass murderer is on the loose in maine today. one officers say has military training, a proficiency in weapons, and multiple ways to evade police. that reality compounding the fear and grief for locals trying to process the 565th mass shooting in the u.s. this year. in this case, 18 dead, 13 more wounded, and the peaceful community of lewiston changed forever. >> this city did not deserve this terrible assault on its citizens, on its peace of mind, on its sense of security. no city does. no state, no people. >> so now as law enforcement is in a full-scale search to track down the suspect, robert card, they are also trying to piece together the details of who he is and why he may have done this. plus, with word that he had been committed to a mental hospital earlier this year, a critical question, why did he have a gun and not just any gun, but an assault-style rifle in the first place? we start right there in southern maine, a state and community largely spared the pain, trauma, the fear of mass shootings until now. right now hundreds of police are on the hunt for 40-year-old army reservist robert card. he is the man suspected of opening fire inside a bowling alley and a bar in the city of lewiston last night shooting into crowds of people who were just trying to unwind after a wednesday at work or school. as we said, 18 people just confirmed earlier today killed, only eight of those have been identified. 13 others were injured. the attack is the deadliest in the u.s. this year. the worst mass killing in maine's history. all the more staggering when you consider the entire state only saw 29 homicides in all of last year. so now a manhunt is in full swing. the fbi, atf, maine state police all involved, even as roughly 50,000 people living in that area are being told to shelter in place. police are asking for the public's help, but also warn they should be extremely careful. >> he should be considered armed and dangerous, based on our investigation, we believe this is someone that should not be approached. this is someone that should be -- if you come into any contact with this individual or someone that you think looks like this individual, you are to call 911. >> i want to bring in nbc's antonia hylton who is in lewiston, also with me, tom winter and former fbi specialist and national security analyst clint watts. and i know you have some new information, tom, on the firearm that was used but what else are you learning from law enforcement right now? >> i think dps making it clear they don't know where this individual is at this point. they are tracking down a number of leads. they have gone over all sorts of details abouthis person's background, specificay locations and so they're kind of ticking things off in a kind of a methodical manner at this point. to your point, some information about the gun that we've just been able to confirm with my colleague jonathan dienst e, the weapon was purchased legally earlier this year and all indication it was before that mental health incident that you referenced here just a few seconds ago. there's no indication at this point, though, i really caution that these type of reviews take time, there's no indication that there was a law or a step that was missed as it stands on the books in maine that would have prohibited this individual from possessing this weapon at the time of the shooting yesterday. so we have two things going on. one reviewing the past, trying to determine through our own reporting, through what investigators are doing and talking to them, trying to determine whether or not this individual should have had the gun. it was certainly purchased legally. that's column one. column two is this ongoing manhunt with this flood of officers, not just from maine, state troopers, but also all the resources of various state police departments all across new england and a huge fbi presence. they have three offices in maine, small, satellite offices out of the main fbi boston field office, and they've got an awful lot of people up there, including the person that leads that office. so i think at this point they're doing everything they can from a resource standpoint to try to find this individual, but you've been to maine. i've been to maine. it is a rural place, this person likely has significant knowledge of the area, and so i think it's going to make it difficult if this individual is still alive. >> so clint, let's talk about this manhunt because tom is absolutely right. you're talking about a state that is so big the rest of new england could fit into it, but as the governor said earlier today, it's what 1.3 million people living in that space, it's heavily wooded in many parts of it. let us not forget that his car was found at a boat launch, so i said at the top of the show, there's a full-on manhunt in maine. if he is in maine, how tough could it be to find him? >> chris, we just have no idea. i think when you look at this situation, you could think back to pennsylvania, just a couple of months ago we had a manhunt, and we saw where they used every resource and capability that was available. that was thousands of personnel in total. that was every kind of federal asset. you might remember they started using things like heat sensors to try and pick up on traces of individuals, and that took a couple of weeks. you can imagine here where you don't have a tremendous amount of personnel. you don't have tons of technology in place. while it's arriving, they still need to get organized, and then every minute from the time of that attack until now, we just don't know, was that person on foot? was that person in a vehicle? have they switched vehicles multiple times, or did they even take some other mode of transportation we're not aware of. there's lots of tips and leads that will be needed to sort this out, but remember, in virginia, in pennsylvania, and some of these other incidents we had there's lots of amazon cameras, you know, showed up in the last one, household security systems provided tips and leads. you're not going to have that in this situation, it's a heavily wooded very rural area. it will be a big challenge. it's going to require a lot of law enforcement, a lot of security, and it's also going to take a lot of air assets and technology to try and do this detection. the most important thing is the public can provide tips and leads, which can put people very narrowly onto the trail of this individual. >> yeah, antonia, we did hear that at the press conference, and it's very familiar that police will ask folks, if you know anything please give us a call, although for the reasons clint laid out, it could be particularly important here. take us inside that community. still on lockdown and how people are coping with this. >> reporter: it is eerie. it is heartbreaking here, chris. i actually -- you know, that example that clint walked through of pennsylvania, i think, represents kind of the worst-case scenario for many of the people. i've been messaging for some residents today. it's a combination of shock and grief, people who have lost cousins and friends who have, you know, loved ones who have been injured, but then knowing that this person is very much out there and it's not just anyone. it's someone who is, according to authorities, highly trained in the use of firearms. it was an instructor and so is going to very much know what they are doing with whatever weaponry they may have on them. that adds sort of to a feeling of psychological terror here, right? that behind me here, you probably can't see it right now, but there have been police officers all day here in front of the medical center where people have been treated or overnight there were efforts to save many lives here, and they have long guns, out and very prominent, and they say that authorities are going to continue to do that so long as this shelter in place is in order, so long as a card is out there, and so it's just adding to all of this uncertainty on top of the loss and the heartbreak. take a listen, for example, to one father, the father of the man who managed the bar where much of this took place last night. the clip you're about to hear is him describing his belief that his son has passed away, but he very recently learned from authorities that his son did. take a listen. >> if you had my gut right now, i feel like i'm squashed with a vice. my neck and the back of my head feels like there's a vice squashing it the other way. my son is dead and i know he's dead. i know it as well as i know i'm standing here telling you because he's not here, and he's not at any of the hospitals. >> reporter: and you have to keep in mind here, chris, you know, this is a relatively small community. you've just described how sparse it can be. people know everyone here. these are their regular hangout spots. they have deep connections in this community, and so, you know, every single person who you see describing the anxiety of waiting for confirmation or the knowledge of a lost loved one, you know, they're deeply connected to folks, and so, you know, the feeling here and the anticipation is incredibly difficult, and i know that people are in particular right now waiting for more information from authorities about the profile of the victims. they've been very careful about what they've released, for example, we know it's a mix of men and women. they won't comment on how many minors, although there's been speculation in the community because at the bowling alley there was a youth gathering last night that minors may very well be among the victims, and so there's a lot of desire to get that clarity, but of course also see robert card apprehended. that's really the primary thing that could bring not this nightmare to an end really, but to at least give people some closure and some sense of safety in their surroundings, chris. >> yeah, the grief is on top of the anxiety. so clint, let's talk about this suspect, and it does also have a parallel to pennsylvania, which you mentioned. does the protocol for law enforcement change when they're searching for a person with not just military and weapons training but somebody who taught use of weapons. i mean, this guy is somebody who presumably is very skilled. >> chris, they're always going to go in prepared for the worst-case scenario, but in this case, you know it's the worst-case scenario. meaning that it's just different when you have somebody wos got markanip training, who knows how to use aps, who knows how to reload. you can see this froth pictures and when you're looking athi for law enforcement, an average law enforcement officer wears a bullet proof vest. it's really only there to protect against handguns, 9 millimeter rounds in particular. it travels at remarkable speed. it is designed to kill. you can imagine in a situation where the individual's in the woods, could set up an ambush, for example, when they have law enforcement moving or using different techniques to track them down. the standoff there is quite remarkable. this is how it's wildly different from pennsylvania. pennsylvania, that individual had no weapons, was scrambling around trying to find just basic sustenance of food and clothing. was tripping ring cameras, you know, at people's house, their security cameras. this all gave tips and leads and couldn't move too far. this individual has the advantage of time and speed, was able to move, has marksmanship training, maybe has some army training, and we don't know what his rereational lifestyle was, maybe was a fisher or hunter, may have outdoor skills. all those are advantages that are really tough, particularly for law enforcement moving in from other jurisdictions. federal and state resources will descend in, but even from places as far away as boston, that's a different kind of landscape there. for law enforcement officers, this is going to be a tough challenge. it really kind of reminds me of the -- you might remember the eric rudolph situation, north carolina after the olympic bombing. very similar there where you had somebody on the loose for many, many years who knew how to survive on the land and was also a former u.s. soldier who knew how to use weapons and knew tactically what to do. >> yeah, and though, tom, we obviously can see his face there, he didn't make any effort to disguise who he is. you have to wonder if he's already changed his appearance. he has facial hair, he could have shaved. there are many ways in which he pretty quickly and easily might be able to change the way he looks. >> without a doubt. he clearly knows this community, he has ties to this community, which can be a help for law enforcement, and you might know places he would want to go to. on the other hand, it might be a hindrance because this individual knows the area presumably better than most. so that's a bit of a question there and examining all of this, i think you're looking in an investigation, and i keep saying if he is alive -- because we do know of a number of mass shooting incidents in this country where the person who did it, in fact, ended up taking their own life. so i think when you look at this, we have to keep that in mind as a possibility. we have to keep in mind that it is not a normal october week in maine from a weather standpoint, so it's much warmer than it normally is. that increases survivability. it's not a situation i would want to be in, and of course as we've been talking about this weapon and clint talked to us about the power of it, you're going up against somebody who's armed the same way that you are. this is not somebody with just a shot gun or a handgun. >> and frankly, may be better at it. i hate to put it that way. >> certainly skilled, certainly skilled, right? certainly skilled. it is definitely a significant challenge. i think that's the reason why you're seeing such an outpouring of additional law enforcement support from across new england here that there is a real belief and understanding that this person needs to be met, when they are finally met, with significant numbers and significant tools and resources to make sure that this doesn't get out of hand and to try to avoid to the best of anybody's ability, any future loss of life. >> tom winter, antonia hylton, clint watts, thank you all. many residents of maine will tell you this is a state with a strong gun culture, but its homicide rate is consistently one of the lowest in the country. until last night, the state's deadliest mass shooting ever took four lives and that was almost ten years ago. in other words, for nearly everyone in maine, this kind of terror and trauma is brand new. >> everybody knows everybody. it's a peaceful community, like the worst thing that you were afraid of happening is a jaywalker. it doesn't happen in maine. it doesn't happen here. i'm going to start locking my doors at night. i never lock my doors. i leave them wide open. now i'm going to get a ring cam. scary. >> kevin miller is a reporter at maine public radio. marie weed meyer is a crime reporter. kevin, this is all unfolding even as we speak. what are people telling you, whether it's your speaking with? >> well, it's just a massive manhunt that we're seeing. this is a manhunt that's pretty much unprecedented in size in maine. 350 law enforcement officers from maine, from federal agencies, in some other states, so to have something like this happening in maine as some of your previous -- have said, a small state, a very close-knit state, almost like a big neighborhood. it's shocking. i think people are scared. people are worried and right now a large part of our state is actually some businesses and schools are closed down. even in areas that are far from lewiston, so it's kind of causing shock waves all around the state. >> marie, we were just talking about this, and if you can pick up on it. i know you spent a lot of time talking to law enforcement there. the unique challenges that they are facing when you're dealing with a state so large, with relatively few people. this gunman could literally be anywhere, right? >> yes, and that's i think why a lot of people are so scared. you are seeing schools shut down an hour, hour and a half, two hours away from where lewiston started or if they're not shut down, they have armed police present outside the schools, so there's just a lot of fear, and it's spreading really statewide because as you said, we don't know where he is. >> and kevin, you heard that woman say this kind of thing just doesn't happen in maine. she never locked her doors. she's going to start locking them. she's going to get a ring cam. can you even just describe the emotional roller coaster that people you're talking to are going through. the idea that you're in your own home, but you're living in fear. >> yeah, and again, this is a state that has a very low homicide rate. we do have -- when you factor in suicides here in maine, because there are so many guns, we do have a higher gun violence rate than other states. homicide rate is very low. people leave their doors unlocked, their cars unlocked. people leave their keys in their car. >> that's something really interesting you said. the question is how did he get away. i mean, it's not out of the realm of possibility he could have found a car that had keys in it. >> total speculation, that's not anything that i've heard, but that's certainly -- people do that, a lot of people do leave their doors unlocked, and we do have a pretty prominent gun culture here. it's a big hunting state, sport hunting, fishing, sporting is a huge part of our culture. to have an incident like this is certainly shocking. we did have a quadruple murder not that long ago, just you mentioned ten years ago. we actually had one i believe it was last year, maybe it was this year, i've lost track now, and that was more of a domestic situation, although that man did go out and then proceed to shoot several more people who were injured, and that was a quadruple homicide. that caused a lot of concern and a lot of shock in the state, so -- but to have this, 18 people dead, 13 injured -- i think is really kind of triggering people's, you know, nerves at this point. >> marie, there was a headline in your newspaper i took a note of. it read sins, then eerily quiet, and it describes the scenes after the shooting. i think you just moved to maine in august. it is a place where people know their neighbors, where they don't lock their doors. now after, what, 18 hours or so immersed in this story, is there a takeaway that you have as a reporter but also a relatively new resident? >> as a lot of people have said, it's a community where everybody knows everyone, even across the state, so that fear and that concern about who have you lost, who knows somebody who has been lost, those degrees of separation are not very far for a lot of people. they know somebody who was affected, whether it's directly or through a second person. there is that connection, and it's going to impact and it has impacted a lot of people in this state, and just the collective sadness and horror and just fear is really overwhelming still. >> marie and kevin, i know like so many there and notably the people in law enforcement, you are having to continue to work while you're also dealing with your own communities in grief, and i thank you for taking the time to talk to us. appreciate it so much. >> thank you. responding to mass shootings is nothing new for president biden, why this latest one is bringing callbacks to what he has called a very frustrating part of his vice presidency. we're back in 60 seconds. we're s so they were all having a great time, a bunch of guys having a corn hole tournament, for example, and then they were gone. it's all too familiar, common places, schools, groceries, bars, bowling alleys turned into sites of massacres and then grief. president biden's empathetic handling prompted him to be called our grief counselor, america's grief counselor, and he left a state dinner last night to speak with local lawmakers and to pledge federal support. the question now is what more can he do? in september the administration created an office for gun violence prevention to help enforce new policies, but a month later here we are, flags at the white house and all government buildings lowered to half-staff in honor of the 18 people killed. so now what? nbc's allie raffa joins me now from washington, d.c., and in just the last 15 minutes, allie, we heard the first statement from -- at least spoken statement on this shooting. tell us more about vice president harris and what she to say. >> reporter: yeah, chris, well, the vice president appeared at a luncheon honoring the australian prime ministe with secretary of state antony blinken, and both of them addressed this latest mass shooting at the top of their remarks saying that the victims, the families of these victims have the full support of the federal government as they try to recover and grieve. they say that these communities will have the full support of the federal government as this manhunt continues, and you could tell from the remarks of the vice president just how much frustration she has as to what more can be done as another mass shooting happens in this country. and you talked about the experience that president biden has on gun legislation. remember, that was a devastating defeat for the then vice president in 2013 when legislation that he worked on for months with lawmakers, with the families of the sandy hook victims failed in the senate to expand background checks, and that's really been a motivating factor for this president ever since then. you can sense his frustration in his latest statement we have from the president that was issuedng who says in part, quote, in a statement that not normal, and we cann accept it. he says that that bipartisan safer communities act, the legislation, the executive ons creation of that first ever white house office of gun violence prevention, he says even with all of that, that it is simply not enough, and of course, chris, we know the president can only do so much unilaterally that congress is needed to pass any further gun legislation. and while that bipartisan safer communities act, while it was considered historic, it was the biggest gun legislation to pass in around three decades. it was also considered pretty moderate considering democrats were controlling the white house, the house, and the senate at the time, but that's really all that could be agreed upon with republicans. so the president in this statement pushes for more act by republicans. he calls republicans in congress to,quote, work with us weapons and high capacity magazines to enact universal background checks to require ra of guns, and end immunity from liability for immunity from liability for gun manufacturers. the president well aware that the chances of that happening in this current congress with this current congress's makeup are very, very slim, if not impossible, chris. for the president who knows that at the current moment, all he can really do right now despite poll after poll showing that the majority of americans are in favor of stricter gun laws, the most he can do right now is keep this issue in the spotlight and hope to make this a motivating factor for the 2024 elections, chris. >> yeah, i think that is something that he's talked about before. i referenced the fact that, you know, his frustration when he was vice president over newtown, both he and president obama have talked about that, but i think the vice president gave voice to that frustration. let me play a little bit of what she had to say just a short time ago. >> in our country today, the leading cause of death of american children is gun violence. gun violence has terrorized and traumatized so many of our communities in this country. and let us be clear, it does not have to be this way. as our friends in australia have demonstrated. >> i was just looking at the rundown for the president's schedule today, it does not appear he has anything publicly, but i would expect that we have a press briefing coming up from the press room? >> that's right, that white house press briefing now expected to start at 1:15, no doubt this is going to be a major focus of that briefing, and remember, we have seen the president's schedule as far as public appearances change throughout the day in the wake of events like these across the country, chris, so nothing on the schedule now for any public appearances, but of course we have to put an asterisk on that that that schedule could change, chris. >> all right, we will keep posted and we're showing the white house press office right now, and we will see when that begins, but it will include not just -- i 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>> reporter: it leaves them in the same place on this issue of gun violence prevention as they have been for the entirety of this 118th congress. we are once again in a position of divided government. just because there's a new speaker, he's still a republican. he is certainly someone who, if you look at past votes, has voted against such priorities as the violence against women act, various background check tightening bills, all of those lead one to believe that there is no likelihood that republicans would come to the table on the things that the press secretary there was just mentioning, specifically things like assault weapons bans. even last congress when it wasn't a position of divided government, when we had democrats in control, albeit by very slim margins and only technically on the senate side of this building, we watched them do what was called the most significant gun violence prevention legislation in almost two decades. that was to many gun violence advocates, gun violence prevention advocates only nibbling around the edges, even though it was progress. i think that we've seen them do as much as they're going to be able to do, and that's where it leads us to the conversation that we are once again hearing in these halls. i think that you guys have sound of senator lindsey graham, of course, one of the prominent republican senators talking about what he sees as the issue here, and it's mental health. watch. >> the common theme here is mental health, right? how did the army reserve not know about this? how did he stay in the army reserve? how did he not get up the chain of command that, you know, this guy's got problems? so that's what i'm interested in. where did the system fail in terms of the army. >> reporter: so graham there making a point that this is a narrow focus in his mind, one of an army potential procedural breakdown in terms of not being more aware of the mental health issues of this alleged individual. that's the same conversation that we're seeing begun out on the campaign trail, florida governor ron desantis making the same note about mental health, despite the fact that we don't know very much about this person right now, it's the same conversation that we see this this building every single time we cover mass shootings, chris, we watch each side retreat to their corners and nothing gets done. >> let me ask you, where are the republican proposals? where is the legislation, and where is the money on mental health? because that's something we hear from them, and law enforcement, which they say and a lot of members of congress say they support, the organizations that represent them have been very clear, go back to a weapons assault ban, assault weapons ban. that's nowhere, right? neither of those things are anywhere, either legislation and money for mental health support or assault weapons ban. >> they're talking points for republicans on this issue. it has become untenable. i really appreciate what the press secretary karine jean-pierre says when she says this isn't normal and it shouldn't be, but the conversations around the halls of this building are so normalized i guess we have to say around this issue, there's not some impetus on the republican side for policy making around this because otherwise, you're right, and look, maybe we'll be proven wrong. maybe we'll see them move on some kind of mental health package in regards to what we've just seen happen in maine, maybe, but i'm doubtful. maybe i've been jaded in this building for too long. they're looking at other things. they're going down the list to figuring out appropriations and spending bills. of course we all know what's going on in israel right now. there's a conversation about aid. all of these things are being talked about in the halls of congress, but i have not heard anyone who's jarred by this latest mass shooting because unfortunately it's become normalized here. >> yeah, and i'm not sure it's about being jaded, it's about being experienced in understanding how that things work there, thank you, ali. i've got a breaking news update, the man accused of killing a maryland judge has now been found dead following a week-long manhunt. police found the body of 49-year-old pedro argote in a heavily wooded area in williamsport about a mile from where his suv was found over the weekend. argote is accused of killing judge andrew wilkinson in his driveway just hours after he granted argote's estranged wife custody of their four children. we do expect to learn even more details at a press conference, which is scheduled for 3:00 this afternoon eastern time. there are also new developments overseas. israel moving tanks to prepare for the next stage of fighting. we are live in the region next. you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc. ce, tailor-made for trader minds. go deeper with thinkorswim: our award-wining trading platforms. unlock support from the schwab trade desk, our team of passionate traders who live and breathe trading. and sharpen your skills with an immersive online education crafted just for traders. all so you can trade brilliantly. a mystery! jessie loves playing detective. but the real mystery was her irritated skin. so, we switched to tide pods free & gentle. it cleans better, and doesn't leave behind irritating residues. and it's gentle on her skin. tide free & gentle is epa safer choice certified. it's got to be tide. i'm kareem abdul jabbar. i was diagnosed with afib. the first inkling that something was wrong was i started to notice that i couldn't do things without losing my breath. i couldn't make it through the airport, and every like 20 or 30 yards i had to sit down and get my breath. every physical exertion seemed to exhaust me. and finally, i went to the hospital where i was diagnosed with afib. when i first noticed symptoms, which kept coming and going, i should have gone to the doctor and told them what was happening. instead, i tried to let it pass. if you experience irregular heartbeat, heart racing, chest pain, shortness of breath, fatigue, or light-headedness, you should talk to your doctor. afib increases the risk of stroke about 5 times i want my experience to help others understand the symptoms of atrial fibrillation. when it comes to your health, this is no time to wait. this is spring semester at fairfield-suisun unified. they switched to google tools for education because there's never been a reported ransomware attack on a chromebook. now they're focused on learning knowing that their data is secure. 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>> reporter: yeah, and the israeli military, chris, also saying that they have now taken out the number two intelligence official within hamas, who they say was responsible for plotting that terror attack on october 7th. now, israel says that that ground raid overnight was not the start of this long-planned ground incursion, but they are saying to expect more of this kind of on the ground operation as they try to lay the groundwork for that eventual full-scale ground invasion, and amid the continual wrangling to try and get more hostages out, chris, we heard today from the hamas militant wing, they are claiming that israeli air strikes have now killed 50 of those civilian hostages who are trapped in the gaza strip. now, to be clear that is a hamas spokesperson saying that. israel has not confirmed that, and nbc news cannot independently confirm that claim, but it really speaks to how the information war has really taken off in the last few days, chris, with israel releasing audio that they say is of a telephone call where a gaza resident confirms that hamas is actually forcibly blocking people from evacuating to the south for their safety as israel has asked them to do. and even president biden saying that he has no confidence in the death tolls that hamas medical officials have been putting out with hamas saying more than 7,000 people have died. it really is the latest indication of how little trust there is on all sides right now as both the israelis and the americans are trying to get more of those hostages freed with the latest total of expected hostages who are on the gaza strip now believed to be about 224. chris. >> josh lederman, thank you for that. let's go back to our breaking news today, that maine, the deadliest mass shooting in this country so far this year, and it is a year that is already one of the deadliest in history. each time the nation's eyes turn to our elected leaders demanding to know what can be done to stop this. well, this is how the new speaker of the house addressed the tragedy. >> this is a dark time in america. we have a lot of problems, and we are really, really hopeful and prayerful. prayer is appropriate in a time like this, that the evil can end and the senseless violence can stop, so that's the statement this morning on behalf of the entire house of representatives, everyone wants this to end, and i'll leave it there. >> folks who are pushing for tougher gun laws, though, will tell you that the time for thoughts and prayers has long since passed. in maine, though, efforts to tighten sta laws have reatedly been defeated. the "associedress" reports that proposals that require background checks for private gun sales and create 72-hour waiting period for gun purchases failed earlier this year. proposals that focused on school security and banning bump stocks failed in 2019. ste residents residents have al down some attempts to tighten gun laws in maine, and it goes on. i want to bring in nbc's lindsey reiser who you have been looking into, and katherine is with us as well. former assistant d.a. in the manhattan d.a.'s office. you have been looking into maine's gun laws, what did you find? >> they have relatively low homicide rates compared to gun ownership. last year alone, they had only 29 homicides and there is a strong gun ownership culture in maine, it goes back to hunting and sports shooting. at the same time, they have permitless carry, anyone 21 or older can carry a gun without a permit. if you're 18 to 20, you need a permit to carry aweapon, unless you serve in the armed forces or you're in the national guard. acadia national park, you need a permit to carry there. they don't require background checks for all gun sales. private sales, gun shows, those don't require background checks, and they have a yellow flag law, different from a red flag law, a court order or testimony from a family member. and that can now be done through telehealth and many of the local publications in maine are saying that it's being used more since that's allowed and they don't ban high capacity magazines. you mentioned gun control advocates. many of them are blaming this tragic mass shooting on what they call maine's weak gun laws. they are calling for an assault rifle ban, also universal background checks. voters have voted down proposals that would strengthen laws in recent years. >> catherine, look, after two shootings in maine earlier this year, the d.a. cumbean county told the local reporter, it's uncomfortable in maine to talk guns. the "portland press herald" writes strong democratic majoriti i both chambers of the legislature this year once again failed to pass widely popular gun control measures, including universal background checks, as we mentioned. the international association of police chiefs have long held positions that are intended to reduce and prevent firearms violence. they also, and i mentioned this earlier in the program, support assault weapons bans. prosecutors have to deal with these cases every day in america, cases that deal with guns. is there a consensus, more laws, new laws, enforcement of existing laws. talk to me from a prosecutor's point of view? >> well, i think what happened in maine, maine is a low crime state. they don't have street crime. they don't have mass shootings until yesterday, and it's a hunting culture. so it's not surprising that bipartisan in maine, it's like we don't need strict gun laws. we don't have crime here. we're hunters. so, yes, i mean, the very assault weapon that apparently this man used, you can buy in maine. you know, lindsey talked about there's no red flaw law but there's no yellow flag law. that's not very strict. now, this person apparently went for mental health treatment and he was in for two weeks. we don't know whether he has a family or not, but, you know, you can't petition for that person who's in that crisis in maine to have their guns taken away. now, he's a firearms obstructor. he's a former military. that sort of explains how he ended up with this assault weapon, and probably many more weapons, but yes. and look, i'm from new york, and we have the most strict gun laws in the country. but yet we have street crime, and a lot of street crime committed with guns. there's that other side of that. but i think the more guns are available, this is going to happen. >> i just want to make sure we're clear on this. at the press conference this morning in lewiston, the question was asked, should a guy that had reported mental health issues that he was in for treatment still have access to semiautomatic weapons. now, the word from there was this is a complicated issue, but you don't see anything in federal law that suggests that he shouldn't have had the gun he had, the weapon he had. >> it appears not to allow, we don't know if he has family members. family members to go to court and temporarily prevent someone in a crisis from possessing guns, so we don't have those facts. we don't know if he's, you know, like he was clearly in a facility, you know, we don't know when he left. they said, oh, you're all fine, you're all good. so those missing piece of facts we are missing here. but clearly, you know, the availability to, particularly in maine, just buy this assault weapon, is the problem. and, you know, it's just not going to stop. the availability of guns. i appreciate that maine is a low crime state, and they don't have the street crime, and this clearly isn't considered a street crime, but he killed more people than this state has in a year. just in one day in a matter of hours, and it was with this high capacity assault gun. so, you know, as someone who's prior law enforcement, that's the problem. i appreciate that, you know, it's the person, but as a person who had the gun, and mental health issues, of course we have to deal with that, but where is the money for that. but the problem is these guns are just readily available, and according to every town for gun safety, maine is 25th on the list in terms of the weakness of their gun laws and that's a problem, and maybe now, unfortunately, people's lives will be lost, there will be changes. >> catherine christian, lindsey reiser, thank you so much both of you. we are live as the man hunt intensifies for the suspect behind the deadliest mass shooting of the year. you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc. msnbc now, there's skyrizi. ♪ things are looking up, i've got symptom relief. ♪ ♪ control of my crohn's means everything to me. ♪ ♪ control is everything to me. ♪ feel significant symptom relief at 4 weeks with skyrizi, including less abdominal pain and fewer bowel movements. skyrizi is the first il-23 inhibitor that can deliver remission and visibly improve damage of the intestinal lining. and the majority of people experienced long-lasting remission at one year. serious allergic reactions and an increased risk of infections or a lower ability to fight them may occur. tell your doctor if you have an infection or symptoms, had a vaccine or plan to. liver problems may occur in crohn's disease. ♪ now's the time to ask your gastroenterologist how you can take control of your crohn's with skyrizi. ♪ ♪ control is everything to me. ♪ ♪ learn how abbvie could help you save. there's challenges, and i love overcoming challenges. ♪ when better money habits® content first started coming out, it expanded what i could do for special olympics athletes with developmental needs. thousands of bank of america employees like scott spend countless hours volunteering to teach people how to reach their financial goals. it felt good. it felt like i could take on the whole world. are you tired of clean clothes that just don't smell clean? 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