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MSNBCW All July 2, 2024

Shooter in. Main police say the suspect is Armed And Dangerous and a shelter in place order has been issued for the town of lewiston as well as four androscoggin county, that is in maine. Police have identified 40 year old robert card as a Person Of Interest. Officials released this photo of card, who they believe as a military background, potentially 20 years of experience in the military, also potentially a history of mental illness. Theyve also released these pictures of the Person Of Interest during the shooting. The shooter reportedly opened fire at a Bowling Alley and a bar and grill in lewiston, it happened just before seven pm eastern time. Police sources say 15 to 20 people have been killed. And heres some of what we heard at a news Briefing Held by maine officials a little earlier. Police are currently searching for a robert are card for, for, 1983 of bowdoin. The card is considered Armed And Dangerous. Hes a Person Of Interest however. And thats what we will label him as as we move forward. Intellectuals. If people see him, they should not approach card or make contact with him in any way. The shelter in place order that currently stands in lewiston remains. A vehicle that was a vehicle of interest in this incident was located in lisbon and we are now also asking residents in lisbon to shelter in place. So please share that information with communities as well. Officials also say at least 50 people were injured in the shooting and in the rush to escape the gunfire. President biden has been briefed on the shooting and spoke to the governor of maine by phone a little earlier tonight. Lets go right now to nbcs emma barnett who has the latest there from lewiston, maine. Shes been on scene for a few hours now. What are you hearing from anyone there on the ground right now. I know you try to make contact with police officials. Where the able to tell you anything, emma . Alex, i have not heard anything for the police officials. And i just want to step back for a second and set the scene. I got here about two, three hours ago, drove here in the middle of the night through the dark. Im standing right behind, or in front of the Bowling Alley where that was the first location that the shooter went to. And just about ten minutes ago, i met maher over here, and more lives about four miles away from where from lewiston mar, i just want to ask how are you doing, whats going through your head right now . I dont even know. Im honestly in shock. This is devastating. Can you tell me a little bit about how you found out about whats happening . I actually am a little cold and i lay down around 3 30 nfl asleep and it woke up around midnight, 12 30. And i actually checked my phone on youtube, because i have a youtube channel, and i saw that great hughes had 20 people dead in lewiston with an active shooter, maine. And i was like, what . I got the alert on my, phone locked in the place and i saw that and then i called my friend clay and said i want to go down there and see whats going on. Because i have a lot of family, i have a lot of friends in this area. My mom goes to the doctor right there, we go to the subway all the time after the doctors. Can you tell me a little bit about this community and this town . Everybody knows everybody its a peaceful community, like the worst thing you are afraid of happening is jaywalking. Its main, it doesnt happen here. Are you loved ones safe right now . I hope so. I went by my moms, and i locked her in, made sure the doors were locked and everything, and i picked up klay and i came down i called my pop in norway, maine, i said theres an active shooter, he didnt even know. Did you get your alert on your phone about the active shooter . Can you tell me what it said . I can read it to you, i just saw that there is an active shooter in lewiston, maine, its a lock in place you are also mentioning on google maps you saw something in google maps what has been in the address to come here, just to see a back wave coming around and not getting stuck in the jams, it actually has an icon on google maps this is active shooter in the area. Have you ever been to that pulling out . Yes. You want to the bar . Schemengees, yes. What does it mean that a place that is notoriously so safe is shot up . I am my lone this does not happen here. It doesnt happen here . Its a safe community. And i want to start locking my doors at night. Ive never lock my door at night, i leave the wide open. Now, im going to get scary. Have you been talking to your friends or family . What has the sentiment on the ground in shock. I dont think anyone has digested it yet. I think everyone is still, whoa, not even going to digest yet, whats going on, this is crazy. We dont see that here. How are you doing . I feel sad getting ready to cry, i think. I feel sad. I want to know who, when, where, why, why would he do this, why in lewiston, maine . And what happened at the Bowling Alley or schemengees that would cause someone to come back and opened fire like that . I know its a really small town did you know of this shooter . Have you ever seens face before . Ive never seens face before, looking at him, i dont know who he is. You dont know . But i could not imagine how scared those people of Bowling Alley would be, coming in like that. I cannot imagine. Thank you so much for speaking. Be safe. Its a difficult time. Im sending my heart to you, truly emma, before mar leaves, and you ask her a question for, me and that, is she said she drove from four miles away. What were the roads like . Did she pass a lot of police . Did anyone try to stop her and say, oh, we want you to shelter in place. We have one more question for you, theres a shelter in place happening right now. When you are driving from your house about four miles away . Did anyone stop you . Did anyone trying to question you while you are driving . No, because i know how to come in through the back roads. Can you describe the scene was like on the way here . No cars. I think when i passed, from the Four Mile Run down for coming into your, i think we passed two cars. Thats when we came down this road, saw all of you guys. Emma, can i ask another question i passed to cars the whole way, four miles, two cars. As alex, we have another question for you. And that is can she describe the Bowling Alley that she said she is patronized, where this whole incident went down . Is it a big Bowling Alley . Is there a bar area there . I mean, just curious what it looks like inside, how big of a place it is. Mar, i know youve been to this Bowling Alley before. Can you describe what the inside of this Bowling Alley is like . Is it big . Is there a bar . Its pretty big. Its not a fubar, its got the pins to the right, a kid to hang out, basically. Would you say its normally kids that go to this Bowling Alley . I think so. They have bowling leagues, on those nights, they have adult, but mostly teenagers, kids hanging out. Is there a bar . Is there a restaurant . There is like a food stand, counter. And what about the bar . I dont know, its been a couple years since ive been there. And what are some of your thoughts everyone knows everyone by name. When you come into town, you know people. If you see someone you dont know, its like, oh, whos that. You know everybody. Alex, i just want to check of this anything else you want me to ask while i have no, just please mar thank you for your insights and please tell or to get home safely. Thank you very much. And we share her concern about all of our Community Friends there. All of o we share you concernt the community and im so sorry that this happened in a place thats so was be safe for you. You too, thank you. So, alex, you just heard that. Its just a depiction of the kind of shock that this town is experiencing and i have no doubt that when the sun rises in just a couple hours from now that feeling that we can sense from mar that is palpable is gonna be present in everyone that lives in or near this community all right, emma barnett, and i just want to tell you, for someone whos never reported on Breaking News, youve done a darn good job and appreciate you also passing along so eloquently, so i appreciate you, and you be safe as youre covering the story as well. Meantime joining me right now, mary ellen otoole, retired fbi agent and criminal profiler, i know a Program Director for the Forensic Science program at george mason university. Welcome to, you mary ellen, thank you for being here. So were learning a little bit more about the Person Of Interest, robert card. Im curious the level of danger you believe that he poses right now at this hour. Well, hes at the maximum level, we know in fact that hes heavily armed, hes trained in the use of that Lethal Weapon and hes just at the extreme and of being dangerous. And of being dangerous when you look at the photo and im gonna have our direct to put that back up to the left hes holding this weapon his face is uncovered, he is wearing no body armor. No camouflage gear, no flag jacket. No any kind of protective vest. What does it tell you about his potential State Of Mind . Must this have been eight action of four thought, could this been something that he gets up and go through . I dont believe this is a spontaneous, or impulsive act. I we know in prior cases, i go all the way back to the days of Charles Whitman in 1966 i, did some work on that case these are well thought out crimes. Violence always begins in the brain, what do i mean by that . I mean there is planning and thoughtfulness that went into it, we still dont know why he chose those locations but there is a reason for it. I think the reason that he is not covered up, is also concerning its a really suggests that he doesnt care if people see him that could go also to a State Of Mind, and what happens later. It may indicate that as we know other cases Suicidal Ideation we have so many of these Mass Shootings so there may be thinking on his part this is the end of it theyre gonna know and i dont care that they know this is suicide by cop that is the phrase we hear . It could be it could be suicide by cop echoed by suicide, he killed himself. We have to consider that. I know they are considering that. They are being saved thinking about, what if this is one more place of attack . What if hes hiding out. That is always a possibility. I know in the hundreds of cases that we have seen in the last 20 plus years, suicide is an underlying motivations. That has to be considered here as well. Mary ellens, when it comes to someone with Mental Health issues. Anybody who commit a crime like this is going to have some level of Mental Health issues but in this case for mr. Card it isnt reported that he spent about two weeks this summer, in a Mental Health facility. Also recently he was complaining about, having voices in his head and also threatened to shoot up the military Training Base in cisco maine, it is a National Guard Training Base. This is someone who has fire arm training, he was an instructor. Theres a reports that hes part of the military for 20 years. Putting all of that together, does it tell you anything about a motive . It is really concerning that we have someone that does have more than just one contact with Mental Health, to the point where he was. In a psychiatric facility apparently for about two weeks we dont know if he placed himself there or if that was an involuntary commitment. We do not know why. We dont know if there was ideation that he voiced to Family Members or two fronts, this is what i am going to do. That is really very concerning. That that is in his history. Once this case gets resolved, theres certainly going to take a look at that. Having said that though, people can have Mental Health issues, however, it does not mean that the reason that they committed a crime like this is because they are mentally ill. It needs to be said is that most people, with Mental Health issues, are less violent than you and me. People that have Mental Health issues can make very cogent, very thoughtful decisions about acting out violently. We tend to get either or thinking about these cases. We have to be careful not to do that. Exploration of his Mental Health history is going to be extremely important. If he was having these ideas weeks and months ago, and they were not addressed, or they were not successfully addressed. That is a concern. When you hear someone say they are Hearing Voices in their head, does that also amplify your concern . Ive heard that a lot in other cases. Heres the issue. The issue is, self reported information especially in the psyche at a trick construct, is some of the most unreliable information. Heres what i mean by that, if you are approached by a police officer, social worker, or psychiatrist. They may city, are you thinking of hurting . Someone you maybe. But you may say no oh no officer im not at all. Or you may say on the other hand, oh yes i am thinking about all these things. Because you want to get something out of saying it that way, Self Reporting information in cases, where you are trying to evaluate danger to self for others, is extremely unreliable. The person can tell you anything that they want to tell you. And you have no way to verify it. , all that in this context is a question, it will have to be reviewed and looked at. If that was genuine, that there are voices. And he was hearing them and not medicated. That would be the very concerning. You are clearly looking at this from abroad analytical protests. Given your experience as a former senior profile for the fbi. Give me a sense of what you would be focusing on right now for next steps for Law Enforcement . Where might this go, in what direction . One of the things that they are looking at, and im sure because its a multi jurisdictional trust forks. With loss of experiences. They have to have parallel tracks of investigation, they have to look at is this a law before another storm, is he contemplating other kinds of Mass Shootings. One of the ways they are discerning that. That we go through his home, his apartment, looking at his writings and his computers. To see if hes recorded anything. To suggest that. The other thing that they are doing, they are going back and they are talking to Family Members, people that know him. To try to find out if he were to commit suicide, where would be a likely place to go and do it . They have to consider both options. Not one after, not sequentially but simultaneously. That is what they are doing they are going to people who know him and care about him, his writings his journeys what he puts in his computers. All of that is gonna help them decide where do we go next, this next places are not equally as important. They have to know, at the places that he talked about going to, if he were going to carrying out a Mass Shooting. They have to look at those places first. If it were me, and if i were still an agent. I would say if you love quarter to cooper to hurt them so, where is the place they love a care about they have been to in the class . Where would that be . I would look at those. Place thank you for your time with us particulate this early hour plus 3 00 in the morning thank you marianne. 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Im at the top of the driveway from the high school, weve been at the campus throughout the evening. Honestly this driveway here, we saw three tactical vehicles down thes driveway, we have yet to see them come out. In ways this area of weve been posted up here on, the junction and one 96. Its quieter but still active. The only reason i say that because also sam if, you dont mind swinging around the gusty shun over here weve shown you over here had several vehicles in, unlike police cars. Police cars are now still some, this whole entire parking lot was full. There was a moment in time, where all of a sudden all of them pulled out and were zooming, going very fast and the opposite direction. Weve had some lee, and then tactical vehic

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