fined for violating a gag order as maga completes their house takeover. >> he was one of the intellectual architects of pushing back on the stolen election. >> tonight, the radical shift right in the house with come baseman jimmy raskin, and the remarkable scene inside a manhattan courtroom. the ex president was forced to take the stand. >> you may have seen mr. trump storm out. i saw a defeated man. >> new details on the horrific attack inside israel by hamas as the united nations warns of the increasingly dire situation inside gaza. when all in starts, right now. ♪ ♪ ♪ good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. today, the ex president stormed out of a manhattan courtroom during of civil fraud trial after being punished by the judge for violating a gag order. judge arthur engoron imposed that order earlier this month after donald trump publicly attract a law clerk working on his 250 million dollar lawsuit. this afternoon, the judge ordered trump to the witness stand to answer for a new disparaging comment he made to reporters outside the courtroom about the judge and a person, quote, sitting alongside him. judge engoron said he found trump's testimony not credible, and find the president $10,000. the absolutely wild scene. we'll have more about what transpired at that trial later in the show, but believe it or not, those were not even the most consequential comments trump made at his trial this week. yesterday, during breaks from the court proceedings, the ex president single-handedly took down his party's third speaker siate in three weeks, and thising, shortly before heading back to court, trump essentially chose the new speaker of the house, strongly suggesting republicans vote for mike johnson of louisiana. and, well, it worked. after 21 days in crisis, the house elected mike johnson with unanimous support from his party, which means the house is finally back to business with the trump approved leader holding the gavel. now, the whole process has played out over the last three weeks, or more fleeing former speaker kevin mccarthy, finding someone to replace him, has been such a debacle. it's been hard at times to define the actual ideological stakes of the fight. but this resolution today, the choice of mike johnson for speaker, makes the stakes and the political danger to the nation crystal clear. mike johnson is unambiguously in the fire right wing of the republican party on basically every issue. he's a zealous advocate for criminalizing abortion, cosponsoring and voting for a national abortion ban. last year, the supreme court overturned roe v. wade, mike johnson celebrated, calling it a glamorous day. he once blamed the country's economic woes on a woman's right to choose. >> roe v. wade gave constitutional covering to the killing of unborn children in america, period. you think about the implications of that on the economy. we're all struggling here to cover the basis of social security and medicare, medicaid, all the rest. if we had all those able-bodied workers in the economy, we wouldn't be going upside down in toppling over like this. >> i, mean if you don't spend a lot of time in real fringe parts of the right, you may not be familiar with the abortion industry is bankrupting the social security arguments, but it's a sort of reoccurring one there. johnson, not surprisingly, also into extremist on lgbtq rights, he voted against a bill mandating the federal recognitioame x marriage as. last, year he introduced a bill modeled after florida's don't say gay law that would ban the discussion of sexual orientation or gender identity with kids under age ten at federally funded institutions. this summer,e led a hearing about, quote, the anger is of gender-affirming carfor children where he said parents have no right to allow their children to access that medical care. no right! the govt tes you how your kidet their medical care. that's his b and, to top it all off, l his predecessor, former speaker paul ryan, mike johon wants to severely cut the social safety net. particularly social security and medica. perhaps most signify, for our purposes here, mike johnson 's a hard-core election denier, who played a key role in the effort to overthrow e 2020 election. he recruited house republicans to support a lawsuit, seeking -- he, quote, was also it clear our prot republ objections to certifying biden's election on january six, 2021, 146 of his republican colleagues, johnson voted to overturn the election results. in the end, that vote was make-or-break for the speakership. tom emmer, a former number three in leadership, his vote in favor of democracy, ratifying a free and fair election, voting, the person who won enough votes to actually be the president, that was disqualifying in the eyes of the one person who matters, donald trump. and any so-called moderates in the caucus, emphasis on so-called, we spent a lot of time over the last few weeks going on cable news shows, talking to microphones, talking to reporters about how concerned they wear, concerned, deeply, upset, concerned, about supporting an election denier, where do you think they ended up in the end? did you have that? did you bet on that? you won a lot of money if you bet on that. they ended up caving to the big lie majority. fully. all of them. unanimous. just listen to the reaction from johnson's colleagues in the house republican caucus yesterday, when a reporter dared to ask about his vote on january 6th. >> mr. johnson, you helped lead the efforts to overturn the 2020 election, do you stand by -- [crowd chanting] >> next question. next question. >> shut up. shut up. that's what they think about raising the factual matter that he voted for the. one democrat pete aguilar brought it up again, he was tackled by a member of that seem hard right faction. >> house republicans have put their names behind someone who has been called the most important architect of the electoral college objections. >> yeah right! >> he spearheaded -- that's back. that's fair. we know how you feel. you made that clear. >> darn right. today, we know that faction, the anti democracy faction, the far-right, one. they celebrated. the chief architect of this file -- took a victo lap on steve bannon program. >> maga it's ascendant. and if you don't think the move from kevin mccarthy to maga mike johnson shows the ascendance of this movement and where the power in the republican party truly lies, then you're not paying attention. >> now, matt gaetz is talking his book, like he is always. i'll probably do 19 more podcasts before i talk to you tomorrow night. he and his collection are proud of what they've achieved. the majority of the caucus, including the new speaker, try to overturn the last election, and they're proud of that. in fact, the message they are sending and choosing mike johnson, and this is important for everyone to understand, because that's where we are -- not only are they proud of that, but they're on vowed, and they're ready, and they are willing to try again. congressman jamie raskin's -- january 6th 20, he's the ranking member of the oversight committee, and he joins me now. congressman, new speaker mike johnson, your thoughts. >> well, you cannot get to the right of mike johnson in the maga caucus. it's just inconceivable that you could get to the right of him. and there are people who are definitely more lunatic than he is, and he's got very good manners, and he's been able lawyer, but when we say he opposes democracy, we know that from his giving a legal gloss and finish to all of donald trump's arguments about electoral fraud, and making the independent state legislature doctrine argument, which the supreme court unfortunately did not fight on. but if he's not for democracy, what's he for? it is for theocracy. and once a nationwide ban on abortion with no exceptions for rape or incest. you voted against affirming women's right to travel across state lines for the purposes of obtaining health care. he's also voted against reaffirming women's contraceptive rights. he is a real enemy of social security, from my's perspective. he wanted to increase the age of social security retirement to 70 years old. he's very much in the steve bannon mode of trying to dismantle the regulatory state, by which they mean democracy itself. and so, he's a decent guy, and he's a nice guy, but nobody should be fooled by it. donald trump cemented his hold over the republican party today, and he is in control of the house of representatives right now. >> yeah. also, i'm just gonna go on and make a prediction. i usually don't do this. trump's gonna be mad at him at some point. he's gonna turn on him at some point. he's gonna betrayed trump at some point. we've watched this 1 million times, right? i mean, kevin mccarthy went down to mar-a-lago to kiss the ring, he took all the wrong colored starburst's out of his bowl to present to donald trump, and what could that do him? the guy got cut loose. i don't know how long the clock is on mike johnson. the future is undetermined. >> yeah. and they could end up having major conflict over abortion. i mean, four mike johnson, he really believes that it should be a crime for someone to have an abortion. for donald trump, of course, he's completely flexible on the issue. he used an order to take over the republican party, and he appointed radical antichoice justices, but at this point, he'd like to leave it alone, because he knows how to read a poll. so it'll be interesting to see what happens between the two of them. mike johnson's a true believer. i was reflecting today, as the vote was going on, that if you watch the handmaid's tale, he would not be rooting for june osborne. be rooting for the other is the entire time. >> it comes from the religious right. he worked for a right-wing legal org that's brought a whole bunch of suits when louisiana newspaper -- he wrote an op-ed in 2003 to crying the supreme court striking down sodomy laws, saying prescriptions against sodomy have deep roots -- when louisiana instituted its abortion ban in june 2022, breaking lee, yesterday, the department of health informed abortion facilities -- the right to life is now restored. performing abortion and get in prison at hard labor for ten years and find ten k to 100 k. -- the interaction between amr rising to the surface, trump being like, no, he's on the wrong side of the most important issue, which is that he's not a coup abettor, amara dropping out for hours later, and then mike johnson, coup a better, that's my guy. what are the implications of that? >> trump vetoed amor. he plucked johnson out of obscurity and propelled him to the speakership. you know, if we were to allow these people to take over the house, the senate, and the white house, we would be where hungary is today. it's a liberal democracy that they're interested in. take control over the electoral process to make sure the results always move in an authoritarian direction, and then cracking down on civil rights and civil liberties, the rights of women, they're profoundly anti gay, they are against the rate of gay people to get married, they would try to roll the clock back 50 years in america. that's really where they are at this point. so, the stakes have been drawn really clearly in terms of the 2024 election. we've got the democratic party, the party of democracy and freedom, against the gop, which has a bag of tricks and voter suppression, gerrymandering of federal and state, legislative districts, right-wing judicial activists and, from the filibuster, all of those things to try to prevent real democratic priorities. and that's gonna be the struggle against the aircrafts in the autocrats and the klepto kratz, and vladimir putin moving into the 2024 election. -- >> congressman jamie raskin, thank you very much. >> you bet. >> brendan buck serves as adviser to john boehner and paul ryan. he wrote about the terrifying learning curve facing mike johnson. he joins me now. what do you mean about the terrifying learning curve facing mike johnson? >> look, when paul ryan was cell -- parachuted into the speaker eight years ago, he was a pretty well established figure. he had just run for vice president, he had done a lot of high-profile negotiations, he had established himself. and even for him, leaving the job of speaker quickly was jarring. and free mike johnson, who is been around for, you know, less than seven years and never really accomplished much of anything in the house, and i don't mean that in a disrespectful way, it's just a pointed fact, there's so much to learn that he doesn't even understand what he doesn't know at this point. and that's one thing if you have a bit of a runway to ease into the job, but he's dropping in at a moment when we're about to -- deal with israel and ukraine, and he still gonna be learning the very basics of the drop. i think there's gonna be a significant void in leadership. i think steve scalise is probably gonna be extremely powerful for the next few months. because this is a person who really has no idea what this job is, and you don't really know it unless you are very close to it in leadership. and he just wasn't. >> i always think about this as being mayor of a big city. if you made me mayor of new york tomorrow, i wouldn't know what to do. it's like, whereas, if you made me a senator from new york tomorrow, it would be a little lower -- it's a big important job, but i would probably have more of a grasp on it. this to me is a difference between being a member and being the speaker, right? you've got to run things. there are is a whole body of technical knowledge you must know. political knowledge you must know. you're gonna have to get those to the floor. he doesn't have any of that, just as a factual experiential matter. >> the mechanics of bringing bills to the floor. what amendments -- in order for the bill to not fail? one of the priorities that members have? one of the problems that members have? what are the conflicts that members have that you don't know? can you make an amendment for one person and not the other? it's not gonna block the bill? -- doesn't understand the institutional running of the house. the national security responsibilities that he now has. it goes on and on. forget the political responsibilities he has. and his schedule is about to be completely blown up. you don't need to feel bad for the guy, but he doesn't have time to learn any of the stuff that he needs to learn either. so it's gonna be a long road for him. problem is, there's a very thin my engine, and as you talked about earlier, while he's got the halo of conservatism right now, very soon, people are gonna turn on him. i've seen this movie before. you could be as conservative as you want. you're gonna have to govern, and then you're no longer a conservative here. >> about this. you said many members of the house will say it's not thejob of the speaker to drive outcomes, rather to oversee a fair process. johnson -- pledged to subsidize power. while they may not say at this, white republican seem intent on ina weak speaker, and they're likely to get their wish, at least in the sport term. -- heavy hand of spat passed speakers to blame for a failure to deliver spending cuts or other priorities, rather than a result of the realities of divided government, that brings us to the very short runway he has. he is, i think, a true believer on spending cuts. again, this guy's, like, he's down the line on this stuff. i don't doubt his sincerity about it all. there's gonna be -- what we have? november 15th? like, they're gonna have to pass some sea are, and you're gonna shut down the government, or you're gonna make a lot of people mad at you in the caucus. those are the two options. >> which is why i enjoyed listening to your conversation but jamie raskin, because while you guys are all worked up about the stuff, the realities of government don't change here. the president is still run by democrats, the senate -- it more matters they scale than the outcomes. >> and these contexts, it doesn't. >> yeah. let me tell you right now, he's not going to be able to deliver the spending cuts that these conservatives are so excited about him being speaker. it's just not gonna happen. very soon, it might not be in three months, but it's very easy a year from now to see that he will be considered a creature of the swamp himself. to all be very disappointed, and don't blame him instead of realizing that this is just a reality of divided government. you can't have all the things you want. and they'll continue to blame the speaker. i've seen this 1 million times, it's probably gonna happen to him again. >> but here's the key, brendan. and we talked about this last time. they have successfully, and their own conference, imposed minority will on the conference. they have a van guardist vision of how to do this. they tried to impose a minority president on the united states. they've done ahead of rogue faction of eight votes that broke the conference, and when steve scalise won the internal vote, they said, no, they won't accept it. they have gotten their way as a minoritarian vanguard is a movement at many steps. they think they could do it for the whole government. >> absolutely. but, they can't. on the policy matters. and the thing is, all the things you talked about in your monologue about who he is, republicans don't bat an eye about that stuff. >> of course not. >> he's mainstream for the conference right now. >> share. >> the reality is, you just can't make those things policy. they can stop things, and i think we need to be very concerned about the ability of the house to purchase funding for ukraine. they can not do things. actually proactively bringing bills to the floor on abortion, they already did that. it was the first thing the house did this congress, was a series of bills on abortion. so that's not changing. but it's not going anywhere. now, what happens potentially if mike johnson is speaker of the house when they certify the next presidential election, keep a close eye on that. in terms of imposing their will on medical care, social security, i don't think you need to lose much sleep on that. >> i think that's more just a political question of who the guy is, and you know, i've seen 1 million nancy pelosi ads in my lifetime about her san francisco values coming to a small tennessee town, so i suspect we might see a little bit the inverse of that for those new york republicans and frontline seats. brendan buck, thank you very much. >> coming up, donald trump takes the stand in a new york court. you heard that right. while his former lawyer testifies against him. the absolutely bonkers scene in a manhattan courtroom. two people that were in the room joining me right here at the desk, don't go anywhere. go anywhere. it's easy to get lost in investment research. 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courtroom, and he said this. >> we have the jury, it would've been fair, at least, even if it was a somewhat negative jerry, because no negative jury would vote against me. but this judge well, because this judge is a very partisan judge with a person who's very partisan sitting alongside of him. perhaps even much more partisan than he is. >> so he said the judges, with the part of this in person in beside him. the judge's issue with this comment, and had trump answer for it. he wm you are referring when you said the person sitting alongside of him? you and cohen, the trump side. the judge said, are you sure you didn't mean the person the other side of me? es, i am sure. later, the judge asked trump, t u always referred to michael cohen as michael cohen? no. -- many things, even worse than at. alina habba added, yes, your nor, i can confirm much voice. the judge that made his de. as the trier of fact,i find that the witness is not credible that he was referring tomy law clerk, who is principal law clerk, who was sitting much closer to me, who doesn't have a barrier, whom i believe has been accused by the defendant of being partisan or demor paisan democrat. ireby find you $10, 000, which is on the low side, to be paid within 30 days to the lawyers fund for client protection. now, about 45 minutes after that, the judge denied a motion by trump's -- apparent surprise of his attorneys, trump stormed out of the courtroom with secret service chasing behind. i rate, and red face, he stopped only to talk to the scrambling cameras outside the courtroom. >> the witness just admitted that we won the trial, and the judge should end this trial immediately. thank you. >> the witness knows they think. -- courtroom for that incredible scene, and different roles. danya perry, who represents michael cohen, an msnbc legal analyst lisa reuben. i feel like, and the times that i've reported from quiet, i have occasionally witnessed dramatic scenes. but largely, it's actually been pretty boring, and wrote, but today was wild. >> today, as danya and i were discussing before we came on set with you, was a bit like watching legally blonde. for our viewers to know this movie, well, there's a moment that the end of the movie where a witness understand breaks down, admits to a crime, and the judge essentially ruled the trial over, because the client is not guilty. and that's exactly what cliff or operate, it represents the trump sons, expected to happen today. he moved for what's called a direct -- that's asking the judge, basically, truncated trial, and now, and he didn't do that. but that's what they expected to happen. they honestly seem surprised, and trump seemed just downright angry, but that's not what happened. it was definitely like television or film. >> so, your client, was he in the room as well? he was. he started the day on the stand, right? he >> was on the stand almost the entire day other than for the portion of the day when the judge found mr. trump on credible. >> right. so what happens as, trump comes out and says that thing, right? which, i don't, know you guys were in the room and sort of caught the vibe. it seemed obvious he was talking about the judges clerk who he has a fixation on, with the lawyers have a fixation on. is that a fair reading? are there any context clues he was actually talking about your client, michael cohen? >> well when he wants to talk about michael cohen, he says michael cohen. in fact, he did a true post social post last evening, he did in front of the cameras today, so he certainly knows how to direct his vitriol at mr. cohen's general direction. so i certainly think the judge had ample support for his credibility determination. >> you know, without the rest of the quote, it's a little bit arguable. you could even be generous to trump and say it was ambiguous. but there's a portion of that quote that we didn't have an opportunity to play on the air where he returns to talking about michael cohen, and that to me makes it even more clear that at the very beginning, he is indeed talking about the judge's principal law clerk, because many changes subjects to talk about michael cohen. and to be clear here, you guys putting on your experience in a courtroom, going after a judges clerk, posting on social media when you're a person who when you draw intention to people, often they will have security concerns. posting a picture, being ordered by the judge to take it down, not taking down one of them, getting a fine for that, and then coming out and, and your veiled and clever way, talking about them -- that's totally out of bounds. right? >> totally out of bounds. >> i'm like, how is this -- and it just seems like one of these things where, from the beginning this started, this is a guy who's got one mode. test, test, test, test. and now we're seeing it in every different venue, with judge chutkan, right? judge chutkan gives them a jack a gag order, then she temporarily lifts the gag order pending an appeal, and then he goes on truth social, and he's not order -- violating the gag order, the -- goes after a guy who might be a witnessed -- >> politico said it right this morning. he said it was like a checklist of how to violate the gag order. we also pointed out that even if the gag order is stayed, he still has conditions of release that include not violating any state, federal, or local statute. there's a witness tampering statute -- 15 12, i encourage -- even if that federal gag order estate. but he's trying to tested every front. and sometimes, he might not be trying. i do think he has a problem with impulse control, and certainly a problem with listening to his lawyers. >> -- claim about michael cohen, in this case this -- now, at the same time, all this trauma is happening. trump gets pulled up on to the witness stand to testify and his own defense by the judge about whether he's gonna find him in violation. your client is in the room, and he gets the subpoena today? >> last night. >> last night, about what? >> about his cross-examination in the manhattan district attorney's criminal case. trump's lawyers in that case, and there's some overlap, and they were in the courtroom today, issued a subpoena to him, and i don't want to get into it because i haven't had time yet to formulate my legal strategy, but certainly -- >> subpoenaed to testify in that case? >> for documents. >> documents. >> documents that, clearly, it has the stink of witness intimidation once again. at least to me. >> after all this, i mean, this judge has tried hard to keep this going, right? and there's been back and forth about the different arguments that are made. where is the trial in the house in terms of its arc? >> there are about 27 witnesses that the new york attorney intends to put on. i have to go back to the list to see where we are. i don't think we're halfway through that yet. tomorrow, we're expecting testimony from dylan, the morgan lewis partner who's supposedly in charge of trump's legal tax work. she's a person known to us because she was at that infamous press conference with the huge stacks of paper. i said -- , oh yeah, i know her. >> i know that, sound will play. that >> but i think we'll be here for a few more weeks. and certainly, they're trying to delay and install at every turn. we saw yesterday, it made a huge issue about a covid outbreak on the attorney general sign, trying to use that to delay the trail lead to a further, and yet nobody on the trump side of the courtroom was wearing a mask. and karen noted that they were highly available to them in free to wear. >> no one's more covid neurotic than donald date -- donald j trump. thank you both. all right, still to come. as the united nations warns of a dire humanitarian situation in gaza, former cia director john brennan joins me on the risks and an israeli ground invasion, ahead. cancelled plans? the worry? that was then. and look at me now. you'll never truly forget 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there is no recording of it allowed, because the atrocities depicted are so horrifying. nbc news correspondent raf sanchez was at the screaming, describing just one truly harrowing clip. >> while israel's military is not releasing the clips because there are so graphic, they allowed us to describe what we saw, including a terrorist throwing a grenade into a bomb shelter, where an israeli father issuing his two young sons. the blast kills the father and wounds the little boys. one of them howls, why am i alive? and tells his brother, i think we are going to die. a hamas gunman stands over them, drinking coke from their fridge. it is not clear what happened to the boys. >> in the aftermath of the appalling october seven terrorist attacks, prime minister netanyahu vowed to, quote, destroy hamas. israeli defense forces launched an unprecedented campaign of airstrikes, that have leveled huge swath of gaza. but then it oued vision still has not materialized. this week, there are muiple reports. the u.s. has grown concerned about the strategy of a ground invasion. which recently, in the financias, which -- directly raised its concerns with israel, according to sources close to the process. the lack of a mix of mine is one factor in the delays to the ground the gaza grand operation that was long threatened by netanyahu's government. there's no plan for the day after. these really system has not decided yet, said one person familiar with israeli thinking. the americans went crazy when they realize there was no plan. john brennan served as director of the cia under president director barack obama, and he joins me now. as someone who spent your life in intelligence -- and i want to sort of start with just what i think is seen within israel as one of the most catastrophic intelligence failures in the country's history, in the attack itself. and what an intelligence -- set of intelligence services does in the wake of that, to figure out, basically, what they missed. >> well, chris, there will be a lot of time for postmortems about whether such a colossal intelligence failure. but the intelligence services in israel right now, the -- and the israeli defense forces, which are responsible for gaza, i am sure they are combing through all intelligence to see if there are any indications of follow on hamas attacks, such as when israel launches this ground offensive, or they're going to be some sleepers inside of israel that will carry out some horrific terrorist attacks? so, i am sure that there has been a surge of intelligence collection efforts in gaza, but also to try to determine whether or not there are plans for something else. they don't want to be surprised again. they were surprised once. they were shocked once. and i am sure that they are seeking any type of assistance from u.s. and other western intelligence agencies about what hamas might still have in store, as well as what hezbollah and iran and others might plan to be doing in the coming days. >> yeah. just a follow-up on that, it seems like there they are related in this respect. to the extent that you don't have eyes on, ears on what hamas is doing -- clearly that was the case for this operation, otherwise i think they would have stopped it -- it seems like it would relate to, frankly, the danger of what is likely to be a brutally dangerous ground incursion. there are, of course, the tunnels, which are -- people call it the gods amid true, they go all throughout israel. hostages recently returned from that. it is urban fighting. all of that puts things at, basically, the highest level of difficulty for any kind of military operation. right? >> it is almost an impossible balance. well, it is an impossible balance, to try to recover the hostages, destroy hamas's terrorist making capability, find the leaders, and bring them to justice, and to avoid civilian casualties. and that is what is happening right now, unfortunately. and as i see the graphic footage of the airstrikes in gaza, i think israel recognizes that it's at danger of losing the moral high ground. and that's why i think they put out that video footage today of the atrocities that were perpetrated on october the 7th. because, as you look at a young palestinian children, and elderly and women -- this evades who are being killed and injured in the strikes -- it clearly, i think, is giving a lot of folks pause about whether or not what israel is doing right now is counterproductive. are they going to be making more future terrorists than they are killing the current ones? and so i do think that the israelis, the, are trying to make sure that they anticipate all different types of scenarios, so that they will no longer be ill prepared. they were ill prepared on october 7th. even though there is an intelligence failure, there should have been more israeli defense forces nearby, specially at that music festival. that wasn't there. and so what they are doing, i think, is taking the time to make sure they put in place all the preparations they reasonably need. >> -- you speak arabic. and the regional perception, obviously, is also a key part of this as well, in terms of what regional actors, from hezbollah or iran, or other groups may do, in terms of escalation, and in terms of regional perception and what pressure or public opinion that might put on different governments, even though they are not democratically governed -- how do you think the u.s. and others are thinking about the possibility of regional escalation? >> i think they see this as a period of greatest potential for escalation to a regional conflict than in the past 15 years. clearly, the region is on a knife's edge as far as an escalatory spiral that could get out of control. >> yeah. >> the various iranian supported proxy groups, hezbollah, the houthis -- there are a lot of groups that can carry out attacks, not just against israel, but also against -- >> americans -- >> americans and u.s. targets -- which is why, i think -- military, diplomatic and other personnel are protected in some type of escalatory spiral. >> yes, we do have, obviously, u.s. service members. there has been reports of some drone and rocket to tax in some various portions of iraq. what do you think about the sort of next moves here from, or any question about the u.s. israeli communication that is happening about the possibility of when and where the ground incursion would happen? >> i am sure there are intense discussions right now. and especially since the qataris cannot comment publicly that they are hopeful that there was going to be a larger number of hostages that would be released soon, and since there are a number of u.s. citizens there, i think the pressure is building. certainly, on netanyahu, and u.s. officials, i'm sure, are leveraging their relationship, to try to get bb -- bibi ground incursion at this time -- will increase the tensions as well as the potential for things to go south very quickly. i 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