Katy tur. Tom emmer, come on down. The third speaker nominee in as many weeks. Does he have the votes . The center of the conference seems to be with him, but what about the flanks . On paper, hes generally a traditional republican, not so conservative. He voted for the stopgap funding measure, for example and is currently a member of Leadership Serving as majority whip, but he also voted to certify the last election and even though President Biden did win and certifying was the constitutional move, that vote could keep him from the gavel and keep the house in chaos. During this mornings round of Secret Ballot Voting to choose a nominee emmer fell short of the 217 he needs to win on the floor. Joining us now republican congressman from colorado, ken buck. Congressman, i know emmer has been on your bingo card for a while. You voted for him multiple times. Do you see him flipping enough votes to actually get the gavel . I think it became more difficult recently. When i say recently i say within the last half hour. President trump posted something on his social media account that was encouraging people not to support tom emmer. In a race where you cant afford to lose more than four votes i think that could be damaging. I think tom is doing his best to talk to each of the people who have questions about him and try to deal with those questions, but i think hes got some hurdles to overcome at this point. What is going on with your party that the person who does a constitutional thing by certifying a vote that somebody won fair and square cant be the speaker . I tell you, i certified the vote also, and i dont want to be speaker and tom has done the right thing consistently. Hes one of the those folks that is very honest, very forthright, and i thought he would have a good chance because of that because you know exactly where he stands on every issue. It is the way it is right now. We have to overcome this issue. Okay. So if it cant be emmer, cant be scalise, cant be jordan, cant be mccarthy. Who can it be . It cant be buck, but it can be perhaps mike johnson, perhaps myron donald. There were a number of people on the ballot that did well. Tom did the best. Well see. Well see if tom is able to get the votes, i just dont know that he can, but i think we go back to the Drawing Board and figure out who the next person up is and then give that person the chance to talk to the folks that are opposing him. Are you confident that come 13 working days from now the government will stay open . That there will be a speaker to put legislation to the player . I am confident of that, and before 13 days from now. What i am confident of is that we will either elect a speaker like tom emmer and tom certainly has my support or we will elect somebody on the temporary basis to make sure we get through this period where we have to deal with a potential government shutdown, where we have to deal with a potential bill coming over from the senate involving ukraine, israel, Border Security and pacific rim supplemental funding. What makes you so confident . Because so far, weve seen nothing that lends to this actually getting results. We keep seeing failed votes and the number of abroad and still fell short of the number of respect reps and there seem Tobacco A Group of holdouts that just refused to go along to get along. Absolutely. So, i dont know if there are a group of people who will block tom emmer so that they get their choice, i dont know. The reason im optimistic is because im optimistic. Im a Glass Half Full kind of guy, and two weeks ago i told everybody that i thought at the end of that week we were going to have a speaker, so i havent been accurate, but i have been optimistic. Let me ask you about the things that need to get done other than funding. There is this package that the white house is sending to package and want aid for both ukraine and for israel. That is going to be stalled because theres nobody to put it to the floor. What do you make of of the delay for those two things . Well, first, i think it can go to the senate. The senate can deal with it. I, personally, am supportive of aid to ukraine and supportive of aid to israel. The question i have is that there are pay fors in that aid. Will President Biden agree to reduce the number of irs agents from 87,000 down to a number so we can help pay for that aid . Will we reduce the number of electric vehicle recharging stations paid for by the federal government so we can pay for some of that aid. I want to pay fors and move forward, but we need a speak tore do that. By the time the senate is finished with this, well have a speaker. You are interested in what french president emanuel mack ron said what should happen next in gaza. Hes talking about convening an International Community to figure out what should happen to gaza and should replace hamas. What do you think of that . I dont think the french have any business in this, and frankly, i dont pay much attention to macron. He was willing to sell ukraine down the road. I think israel will take care of this issue and we would be wise to support israel in how they proceed. So you do not think there should be an International Community to come in and help set up a government . Do you think that israel has the authority to help gaza lead itself . That gazans would accept that . I think that israel when they are finished with their Military Operation and there is not a Military Threat to israel, then i think israel can call for an international tribunal, the u. N. Or some other group to come in and help, but at this point the focus is on the Military Operation, and we should not be distraktded with some ceasefire International Group or anything else. Israel has our support and i am there to support them. Congressman ken buck, thank you very much for joining us. Joining me now is ryan nobles. It appears emmer doesnt have the votes and its not looking good for him. What are you hearing . Likewise, it doesnt appear to be a positive trend line for tom emmer in his hope to become the next speaker of the house. Hes following a very similar path that the two men before him, Steve Scalise and jim jordan followed where they were able to secure more than half of the conference and almost immediately, a relatively sizeable group of republicans said theyre not comfortable voting for him. It certainly doesnt help his case at all that the former President Donald Trump has now gone to his social media channel to make it clear that he is not in favor of emmers candidacy for speaker of the house and this despite emmer trying to reach out to the former president and trying to demonstrate a degree of loyalty to donald trump. Its hard to figure out where they go next, katy. When they have 20 or so republican members right now who say theyre not necessarily in favor of the emmer candidacy i would be hard pressed to see him go to the floor and try to grind this out through a series of public votes. I think hell continue to try to work this to see if theres any breaking of this logjam, but theres a real possibility that well have to pick someone else and as weve said many times that someone else may not have 217 votes, and and this is as big a crisis as weve seen on capitol hill for a long time. I dont know where hes getting the confidence from because so far we havent seen urgency to the electing of anybody. He mentioned Byron Donalds might be able to get the votes and do you think thats a possibility . Byron donalds couldnt even get a majority of the votes in the conference up against eight other candidates. So maybe . Its hard to see a scenario by which if Byron Donalds was the clear favorite and gathered 217 votes that he wasnt able to, and have the majority of vets where you can make the case for 217. You will start to see ined conversation about an a toechlt to empower Patrick Mchenry for a short period of time so that they can deal with this crush of legislation that is just bearing down on them, but even that is a really hard sell. You know, a good chunk of the republican conference is not in favor of that and there are a lot of democrats that are uncomfortable, as well. Every time i try to come up with a solution, katy, even one that you want to draw up with some fan pick, even that is difficult because there isnt a Single Person who can get the 217 points. Do democrats step in at any point . Are they feeling pressure to do so . I was in the Press Conference with pete aguilar who is the third ranking democrat, and he made it very clear that theyre willing to be a part of some sort of bipartisan compromise to elect a new speaker, but thats going to come with real conditions. Its going to come with the elimination of the motion to vacate. Its likely going to come with some guarantee that the house will vote to keep the government open, include a whole other host of provisions that would make it untenable for the vast majority of republicans to get involved in it. So, you know, its one of these things where, yeah, that would be the solution, but actually seeing it play out making it happen in a tangible way just seems very elusive at this point. Very messy. Ryan nobles, thank you very much. Coming up, donald trump has an Attorney Problem from jenna ellis flipping to Michael Cohen testifying to trumps face today. What is happening in that new york courtroom coming up next. Also, what the offduty pilot who allegedly tried to shut off a jetliners engine midflight told police what was going through his mind. We are back in 60 seconds. We ar. Donald trump has a Lawyer Problem. Today in a surprise plea deal ago one flipped on him. Jenna ellis who was part of his socalled Elite Strike Force to overturn the results of the election pleaded guilty in georgia. Fourth alleged coconspirator and third lawyer to trade d. A. Fani willis an admission for documents and testimony. Of course, these lawyers were all preseated by another trump lawyer. Michal cohen infamously flipped on the former president five years ago. Now cohen is coming face to face with his former boss for the first time since, testify against him today in the new york fraud trial. Theres the camera focusing. Joining me is msnbc news senior Legal Correspondent and coanchor of saturday today, laura jaret. Michael cohen, facetoface with donald trump. Whats happening in the courtroom . The most important thing just happened a short time ago where cohen got on the Witness Stand. Hes been there all day and he got on the Witness Stand and essentially said look, i was tasked with trying to cook up a number that would make Donald Trumps assets look bigger than they actually are. Its cohens testimony that jumpstarts this whole thing where he tells congress he was essentially manipulating his assets to get more favorable loan terms and we were wondering if cohen would shed light on it and double down on it today and thats effectively what hes done. He hasnt had crossexamination yet and hes had plenty to be cross examined on, but so far thats his story. How part of the case is Michael Cohens testimony . Its big. Certainly, there are other do you means and there are certain other witnesses, but cohen again, is an insider as you described, right . Hes in the room with alan weisselberg, the chief Financial Officer for a long time, coming up with a way to make the numbers work. I mean, you have a cooperator like that, it gives prosecutors an advantage. However, there are plenty of times where cohen said initially turns out not to be true and thats where he opens himself up there was tension between the two men . Accident. Apparently they did not look at each other and there was tension in the room and donald trump sat there with his arms crossed and they were Trading Barbs outside the courtroom and theyre not talking to each other in the courtroom. He has a Lawyer Problem as ive said a couple of times. You have Michael Cohen who flipped years ago, but down in georgia, we now have the third lawyer flipping on donald trump, jenna ellis. Each one of these lawyer whys, kenneth chesebro, jenna ellis getting Community Service and having to write a letter. Thats not a lot and the worst thing that could have happened to them. What does it say about what theyre handing over . Their back was against the wall, and they chose what was in their selfinterest, any firstyear law student would say this is a pretty good deal, if you can get probation and in return you have to give up the goods on what you know, thats a deal you take. I wonder, what does it mean about how good their goods are . It depends. They all tell different stories and it depends on whos most damaging to whom. I think ellis can certainly speak to the Rudy Giuliani aspect of this. Remember, for people at home, she was the one going state to state with giuliani trying to get State Electors to go for trump and to flip, and she was also standing up before people in the Georgia StateSenate Making a host of wild, baseless claims about dead voters in georgia, none of which was true and she all, but admitted today in court and thats a problem for giuliani. A query about how much of a problem it is for trump, powell and chesebro all people in the legal circle, but they all have different stories to tell and its just a question of which one has the one thats most problematic. Other than the three lawyer, another person, another coconspirator has also flipped. That brings the number of defendants down to 15. Could we be seeing more flip in the coming days and weeks . And could that potentially speed up a trial date . Perhaps, but i think the issue is that chesebro and powell sort of had a speedy trial thing already. To start on monday. They had a timing issue. Ellis had been complaining a while she wasnt getting her legal bills paid, perhaps to the extent like other people, like giuliani, who have legal bills who arent getting help from trump are feeling the pressure more than others. It will cost a lot of money in legal bills, housing, airbnb, that will cost you mono pep its expensive to go through a trial like this. Its expensive for the state. Laura jaret, thank you very much. Any time. Yesterday we got word that an offduty pilot riding in the cockpits jump seat tried to shut off the engines of a cheshl jet midflight. Now the criminal complaint alleges that pilot, a father of two who has been charged with Attempted Murder may have been high on psychedelic mushrooms. Tom costello, this is a twist i did not see coming. This is the fbi affidavit. Now in addition to the state charges and you mentioned 83 charges of Attempted Murder on the state level, we now have a federal complaint alleging interfering with a flight crew. Let me walk through some of this with you and im going to ask that we put this up on the screen. These are some of the items that are stated in this fbi affidavit that the suspect here, a 44yearold offduty pilot allegedly said either to the Flight Attendants, to the crew or to the police. Number one, he said he believed he was having a nervous breakdown. He said i dont feel okay. Said he had not slipped in 40 hours and also said he thought hed been depressed for six months and denied taking any medication, but as you said, suggested it was his first time taking psychedelic mushrooms. We do not know the context there. First time that day . Was he allegedly taking those mushrooms because of his depression . We simply dont know. Reminder, he is an offduty Alaska Airlines pilot who was in the cockpit, catching a ride to San Francisco where he grabbed the control switches that killed the engines and therefore shutting off fuel to the engines and shutting down the engines and that resulted in a skirmish. A 30second skirmish in the cockpit before the copilot and the pilot managed to get him out the door. This is weird. He then walked casually to the rear of the plane, talked to the Flight Attendant at the rear of the plane and said you better put me in cuffs or things are going to get bad. She put what we believe are zip tie cuffs on him. He allegedly tried to open one of the exit doors virtually impossible at altitude, but tried and then as you know they declared an emergency and landed in portland and police came onboard and arrested him. So the question now is, of course, is there there appears to be a Mental Health component to whatever happened and there may be some sort of a narcotic component as well, katy . Tom costello, tom, thanks very much. Coming up next, what the idf is offering gazans, not hamas, in exchange for hostages. Hamas, in exchange for hostages. If you struggle. And struggle. And struggle with cpap. You should check out inspire. No mask. No hose. Just sleep. Learn more and view Important Safety Information at inspiresleep. Com at humana, we believe your healthcare should evolve with you, and part of that evolution means choosing the right medicare plan for you. Humana can help. With Original Medicare youre covered for hospital stays and Doctor Office visits, but yo