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Tonight, new developments in the israelhamas war. This morning, 28 longawaited humanitarian aid trucks finally entered the gaza strip. Israel agreed to allow and the convoys carrying food, water, and medicine after intense prsure from the United States and other countries. It is a narrow lifeline for more than 2 million peop trapped inside gaza. Under constant bombardment from the Israel Military for two straight. Weeks the Gaza Health Ministry ys, the convoy contains just 3 of what civilians need on a daily basis, and noting that fuel needed to run hospitals was t even included in today s deliveries. Justice, not hamas released an American Mother and her daughter, held hostage, which signaled that the militant group could be ready for negotiations. But today, hamas spokesperson said exchanging more captives would not be addressed until israel and its progression on gaza. Today in israel, crowds of protesters including the loved ones of some hostages held up signs and chanted, demanding a ceasefire and the return of their family members. This was the scene just hours ago, in tel aviv outside israels defense ministry. But that is in stark contrast to the focus of the israeli military, which said today plans have been approved to, quote, expand operational activities. This, after weeks of threatening a Ground Invasion. Now as that Ground Invasion draws closer to reality, reaction from World Leaders has been mixed, to say the least. Today, Jordans King Abdullah the second call the continued israeli bombing and gaza, quote, cruel and unconscionable on every level. This, week that u. N. Security council failed to adopt that resolution that would have called for a ceasefire and go ubecause of a veto from the United States. Chinas president xi jinping has called for a ceasefire and gaza. Putin and xi meet days ago, seemingly to discuss their anti American Alliance at this critical juncture. And back at home, President Biden continued to show his unwavering support for israel. American leadership kept the whole world together. American alliances keep us safe. American values make us what american of our nations one work. With all that is at risk if we will get away from ukraine and her about what israel. Its just not worth it. Bidens speech preceded of white house request for more than 105 Billion Dollars from congress, mostly for aid to ukraine and israel. And the president weaving an elaborate sieve the two countries are now at war. Its important to take a step back for a moment and acknowledge that under International Law, israel occupies the palestinian territories, just as russia occupies parts of ukraine. Handset, that israelhamas war has already led to much more bloodshed, infect according to numbers from the office of the u. N. High commissioner for human rights, more palestinian children have been killed in the first week of the Israeli Hamas war than in the entire first year of russias war in ukraine. Nbc news Correspondent Ellison Barber starts us off this hour, joining us live from the israel gaza border. Great to have you with us. Tell us a little bit about what youve been seeing and hearing. Civilians and gaza have faced a tremendous amount of losses. Israeli airstrikes continue, and this possible grand Conviction Element even closer. Yeah, and as weve been standing here at the last couple of hours, ayman, weve seen that gaza skyline behind us light up orange at different points. Weve heard Artillery Fire in the direction of gaza. We know throughout the day today, there were it right sirens in central and southern israel, as rockets were fired from gaza in the direction of those areas. At the same time, we know a number of missiles have been launched inside of gaza. One striking an area in a refugee camp about 6 00 in the morning. There was at least one home veer that was badly, badly damaged. Our team inside gaza got video of the moments after that missile struck. People on the ground, they say it was and is really eerie strike. The idf has not commented, but at least one of the homes in that area that was hit hit a number of civilians inside. There was one woman, she came to this site as rescuers were searching through the rubble, hoping to find any signs of life. She waited in that area, because she knew one of those homess were a lot of her family lived. She ultimately walked some two miles to a hospital, and there she found out that her mother, her father, her brother, her sister in law, and five nieces and nephews had died in that era strike. Our team caught the moment she found all of this out. The devastation as she cried, screaming towards the sky, asking, what would you do this. I want you to hear some of that. And listen, this is something happening every single day like clockwork inside of gaza. This was the moment she found out she lost her entire family. Listen. [speaking in a global language] [crying] [crying] we expect that grunt offensive into gaza took place any day. It military leaders have been saying its been known for quite awhile. But the two have everything in position to launch the current assault on the northern part of gaza. Theyve said they will focus their efforts and that north and on kansas city, just a couple of days ago ayman we heard israels Defense Minister speaking to an Infantry Troops have gathered along the israel gaza border, telling them, we have seen gaza from the outside, soon you will see it from the inside. A man . Nbcs ellison barber starting us off this evening. Thank. You join me now are daniel levy, president of the u. S. Middle east project and aaron david miller, senior fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for international peace. Daniel, ill start with you. We have been saying this for now for several days, eminent. You just tell my colleague theyre saying it. But i juxtapose that with what is happening beyond israels borders. That release of two american hostages, the delivery of not enough aid but nonetheless aid into gaza today. And this caro peace summit. Is there any reason to believe that maybe something is happening behind the scenes . Not so transparently that could perhaps delay this . I think should not be overly focused on whether or not they will be a Ground Invasion because we just saw the heartbreaking scenes of Palestinian Family and gaza, on top of the heartbreaking scenes of what happened on october 7th. But every day, there is this terrible loss and destruction now in gaza. And thats going on without a crime invasion. In fact, a grant invasion my will complicate israels military mission. And lead to is really losses. The way i think the Ground Invasion could really matter is, could that have the impact of a broader escalation, not only in the palestinian arena, in the west bank, where over 80 palestinians killed, more than 1000 arrested also more regionally. With perhaps something happening with hezbollah. Its important to keep went eyes on, that but not to lose focus on whats happening already. Yes, eight trucks went in but that was just over 20. Normally there would be 850 a day. Thats only 2. 5 off the needs of gazans. And this interesting release of two americans being held in gaza last night, i think that has impacted the calculation, impacted the israeli room for movie, because it shows there is an opportunity to get these people out and its starting at little to shape the public pandemic. Its something to work with here. Something to work with on the humanitarian, personalities. But weve got the deltas down and get a ceasefire. Interesting point, you took a bit of pressure putting up. Aaron, i think you know this better than others. I want to share with you some of the reporting from axios. President biden is taking this dual approach, if you will, to the gaza crisis. Publicly he is standing strongly and firmly behind Prime Minister netanyahu. Hes embraced him in every sense of that word and what israels doing. In public, or rather, excuse, me and private the, it seems according to this reporting, hes signaling more constrained approach, at least, thats what the reporting suggests. And i want to get your thoughts. Is that the right approach to try to do it with israel . Or should there be a more forceful, public approach from the u. S. To restrain israel, given what were seeing play out over the past two weeks . The frame the president sit initially in his October 10th Speech seemed to send that message, the is administration was prepared to give israelis the time, and support to do what they needed to do in gaza. That uncertain at this point. Since that, time in the last ten days or so, i think the messaging from washington both and respect to an adherence to International Humanitarian proportionality casualties has added that to the public frame. And i also believe, if the reporting is to be believed, and i suspect it, is that the president is urging restraint, caution, and perhaps if the reports tonight are to be believed, delay, the imminence of the ground campaign. I think, in part, its to test the proposition that, in fact, there may be additional time to negotiate for or to release hostages. Lets be clear, hamas is Playing A Very Cruel Game here. There are under tremendous pressure qatar, as you know, hosts hamas leadership in doha and his subsidize them for the past several years, anywhere from three to 10 million a month to keep calm and stability and gaza. When to speak, hamas at least has to take that and to account. So i think hamas is under pressure to change the frame of her image, following this savage and brutal 24 hours following october 7th. But i also think that they are playing. Maybe hell buy time, but in some respects psychological warfare. You know, the issue of separating The Americans from the israelis is reminiscent, in the minds of many israelis, of what happened in when the pflp and german rascals separated the jews and israelis from the other foreign nationals on the difference so i think its pressure. And propaganda. Whether its going to pay any real divisions to me is unclear. Let me, just because President Biden invoked both ukraine and israel in his prime time speech this country. I want to take a moment to play for you a soundbite from the president of the European Commission regarding the Ukraine Russian war. Take a listen to this. Targeted attacks on civilian infrastructure with a clear aim to cut off man, woman, children, of water, electricity, and heating, with the winter coming, these are acts of pure terror. And we have to call it as such. Aaron, ill start with you. Is it difficult for the world to listen to the europeans and americans, trying to galvanize support for israel when you have had such a force forceful condemnation about that. But what israel does at war of the palestinians, its crickets on that front, two weeks on. Nothing is forceful as a statement. The frame, look, lets be clear. We have a Special Relationship with the state of israel. We make allowances, excuses, justifications on any number of issues when it comes israel. I dont buy, i mean, i understand the power and logic of Ukraine Versus russian occupation, i just dont buy it. Russian aggression against ukraines, willful intentional, aggrandizement, willful kill, and purposeful killing of civilians, taking hundreds of children, kidnapping them, taking them hostage, broke neednt back to russia. Genocide has been used as well and from the ukrainian perspective, the idea of stifling and ukraine as a coherent policy is cultural genocide and many respects. But, you might not like it or whatever you do, the israelis have been a close ally of the u. S. For a long time. U. S. And israeli interests do not coincide these days. On many interests. And the Value Proposition is uniting israel and United States is a consequence of that netanyahu Government Efforts to essentially erode and undermine israeli democracy in israel. I understand the problems of the occupation and contradictions opposes. But im not sure of his much to compare. Certainly in this case. Hamas launches us average, brutal attack, borrowing a page out of the islamic state. Indiscriminate killing, torture, rape, Willful Taking of hostages boasted and alive, i might, add in order to trade him for palestinian prisoners and israels. There are many contradictions many anomalies and perhaps a lot of hypocrisy. But on this particular issue, i dont see the comparison. Anthony, i want to give you a chance to respond to that, and how that impacts their reaction from the arab world. On one hand, the arab world has looked to the way the United States has galvanized support for ukraine, and this has become, i would argue, just based on this last week, a touch point between the global north and the global south. That is playing out in this conflict. Well, i think that it is important that this is not just about the arab world. As you said, no two situations are identical. But when people look at israels systematic violation of International Law and International Humanitarian corps, which didnt begin as a response to something horrendous that happened on october 7th, it is not just the crimes being committed against the civilian population in gaza, it is not good enough to say anything that happens to palestinians in gaza happens because of what hamas didnt know, the israeli bombs, it is israel that is closed off the supply of water, fuel, food, electricity. But it is what proceeded that. The decades, and decades of occupation, of palestinians living without rights. Living under an occupation that itself violates International Law. The illegal settler population. No equality. So here, we have a situation, the world looks at this and, it is important to listen to those features that were given in cairo today. And the cost america, with americas allies, someone who seems very credible in america, in israel, the king of jordan says you applied one standard of immediate, unequivocal accountability, in one situation, referring to ukraine quite clearly, and not in the situation. Everyone should go and listen to this speech of the jordanian king, when america has to deploy its veto. It chooses to deploy its veto, but the u. N. Security council, i think the rest of the world has been listening to an america that has been wrapped in this self righteous narrative of rules based order for the last year and a half, on that podium, and they see america today, and it really reaffirms the suspicions that they had all along. So i think that this is costly to america, and i just hope that we do not return to ignoring those root causes because anyone who believes that you can militarily and live in security is not doing a service to israel, and of course, not the palestinians. We are going to talk a little bit more about that speech that took place in cairo today, daniel levy, aaron david miller, thank you to the both of you. Greatly appreciated as always. Coming, up we will switch gears, a look at politics and the u. S. At the moment. Republicans, an absolute disarray after nearly three weeks, the house still does not have a speaker, and jim jordan has no end to blame that himself. Himself. all toooo youuuuu sean i wish for the amazing new iphone 15 pro jason sean do you mean this one the one with titanium . Its so light. Dont touch it. Maybe stealing wishes from the birthday boy is not your best plan switch to verizon and get iphone 15 pro on them. sean what . jason yup, and on an Amazing Network sean and i dont have to ruin anymore Birthday Parties jason yeah, that ship has sailed. Lets go get you the iphone. Here we go, come on hon. vo get iphone15 pro, apple tv 4k and 6 months of apple one. All three on us. Only on verizon. 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