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Morning. Morning joe starts now. Which sets us apart from the terrorists, as we believe in the dignity of every human life. Palestinian, muslim, jew, american, christian, everyone. If you give that up, the terrorists win. We can never let them win. President biden is back at the white house this morning after a jampacked trip to israel, where he promised continued support for americas ally and cautioned against ragefilled vengeance. Meanwhile, his administration is working to address the growing humanitarian crisis in gaza ahead of an expected Ground Invasion by Israeli Forces. Well go through all of that and get a live report from jerusalem in just a moment. Plus, the drama here at home on capitol hill. Well, the drama at home on capitol hill, willie. Also, the questions about some of the reporting immediately following that tragic bombing of the hospital in gaza. A lot of the intel, u. S. Intel pointing toward the fact that it was an Islamic Jihad rocket. There are, if you read the Wall Street Journal this morning, transcripts of intercept between hamas, with members of hamas saying, yeah, its one of our rockets. Talking about how the fragments of it dont look like an israeli bomb. You have general mccaffrey and others looking at the pictures coming from there, and saying, you look at the pictures. As general mccaffrey said before, he knows about blowing things up. He spent his life doing it. He goes, theres no way in the world that that hospital was hit by an israeli bomb. Yet, my god, the News Reporting was so reckless and irresponsible, that, well, you have an entire region in flames now. Yeah. I mean, as you say, lets take partisanship out of this and just analysts, people who study these things and know these things, like people inside the National Security council, but also independent experts who said, if a 500pound israeli bomb had been dropped on a hospital, youd see a crater. Youd see mass devastation. Thats not what the images we have so far have seen. Were going to talk to some of the experts about it. Why, as you say, is that important . That apparent lyse lie sets off demonstrations in the streets and gives hamas a lie to base further attacks, that israelis attacked a hospital inside gaza, which is not apparently true. It was most likely caused by a misfired rocket from Palestinian Islamic had. Thats according to two u. S. Officials and a congral staffer. Nbcews nsulted four military munitions experts. One agreed with the u. Assessment which president hinted at during his trip to israel while three agreed blast was not from israel. The Expertho Parts of more than a dozen videos and pictures from theident and its aftermath that Havbeen Geolocate and had analyzed by nbc news. Some said the marks left by the projectile are not existent with the weaponry israel has used recently. Hamas, meanwhile, blamed an israeli air strike for the explosion without citing evidence. A claim widely accepted across the middle east and in some quarters of america. As the wall street Journal Editorial Board points out, hamas may still call this a success. Its propaganda held up long enough to set the middle east ablaze. There is the problem, joe, with leaping to conclusions and taking hamas, yes, hamas at its word about what happens in this war. Right. Sources, again, inside of gaza that immediately report something that immediately goes up on websites, on tv screens across america, that, again, we have no evidence. Again, the jury may still be out. All of the evidence, if you look at what Wall Street Journal, what nbc news is saying, the evidence points to it not being from israel, but most likely from Islamic Jihad. We dont expect hamas to be honest about anything. We dont expect partisans to be honest about anything. We do expect, though, News Agencies to be careful and not immediately just slow down. Throw up the claims of Terror Organizations. Slow down. Get the story right. Lets bring in nbc news chief Foreign Correspondent Richard Engel, live from jerusalem. Richard, whats the latest there . Reporter so it seems that israeli air strikes have intensified after President Biden left israel. Things slowed down while he was on the ground in israel. They have resumed now. People in gaza are still waiting for the aid shipments. There was an agreement brokered by the president to allow 20 trucks to come in with supplies. So far, they are still on the egyptian side. People we speak to in gaza describe a terrible humanitarian crisis. They say the biggest thing they need is fuel. A gallon of gas on the market can cost 35. This was a poor region to begin with, so people say without gas, they cant get in their cars, cant leave the north to go to the south, which is something that israel has instructed palestinians to do, and the few independent journalists you talked about the media there are some reporters who work for nbc news and other organizations that are in there, trying to verify information, are soon not going to be able to have fuel for their generators in order to get out to charge their phones and get pictures and images out. It is an increasingly difficult situation, and we will see if that convoy comes in. But we are also told from sources in egypt that the con convoy doesnt include fuel. Water is another problem, as people are Drinking Well Water, which is for agriculture, not human consumption. As you heard, nbc news is citing experts who looked at the evidence about what happened at the hospital. No one on the ground, but looking at the evidence publicly available, intelligence, as well, and saying it does appear it came from a misfired rocket from palestinian Islamic Jihad and not from israel. What are you hearing from your sources in the middle east, your sources on the ground there . Reporter hearing a consistent story. This wouldnt be the first time. A lot of the rockets built by hamas and Islamic Jihad, which is another group inside gaza, smaller than hamas, much more controlled by iran. Hamas does have some local support, is an offshoot of the muslim brotherhood. Islamic jihad was created, more or less, to be a counterdallas counterbalance to hamas. It wouldnt be the first time the rockets misfire. Once they break apart, damaged in midair, whatever happens, they crash wherever they fall. I covered a very similar story to this the last time i was in gaza for a gaza war. There was a rocket that fell in a crowded refugee camp in gaza. The people there immediately blamed israel, and then later investigations revealed it was another misfired rocket. But perception is often reality. Yeah. Reporter people on the streets are angry. Theyre not just angry because of this explosion at the hospital. There are many other explosions that happened. There are many israeli air strikes that are killing civilians. It is not just one incident that is causing this kind of outrage in the middle east. It is the cumulative effect of this ongoing war. There is this concern that it could only get worse, and the images will get that much more dramatic if israel goes ahead with its Ground Invasion at a time of its choosing. So far, no indications that that is coming tomorrow, today. Were not seeing Troop Movements that would indicate something that indicate. Chief Foreign Correspondent Richard Engel, thank you very much for your reporting once again this morning. Joining us now, former Chief Of Staff at the cia and the department of defense, jeremy bash. He is an nbc news National Security analyst. Nbc news chief International Correspondent keir simmons is with us. And White House Bureau chief at politico, Jonathan Lemire, is with us, as well, the host of way too early. Jeremy, well start with you in terms of the conflicting information on the attack as, of course, there is efforts moving forward to create safe zones for civilians. Whats the latest that you are hearing . First of all, with respect to the intelligence picture on that Hospital Bombing, i thought the United States did a terrific job coming out there very quickly and saying, based on three sources of information, overhead imagery, communications intercepts, and open source data, which is analyzed through powerful algorithms in u. S. Technology systems, based on those pieces of information, we assess this rocket came from Islamic Jihad. I think the u. S. Was pretty forceful in its pushback there. I take joes point, and ive been talking about it, as well, it was reckless. It was irresponsible to let the lie get halfway Around The World before the truth got its boots on. But this is an Information Operations war, and it is part of the battle space now, where you have to contend with lies, misinformation, and disinformation. Unfortunately, too many journalists automatically credited the Gaza Health Ministry, which is, of course, run by hamas. This was an, i think, important alarm that should go off in everybodys mind. When hamas makes a claim, you have to take it with a pound of salt and you have to really validate it. Unfortunately, as you know, there were real consequences. Crowds gathered outside embassies. People could have gotten hurt, killed. The arabs missed an entire opportunity to sit down with the president of the United States over what turned out to be misinformation and a lie. Certainly, well dive into more of that later on in the show. The cancellation of the summit in jordan really a setback for what the white house hoped to do on this trip, as though they were pleased with the message they were able to deliver with israel. Keir, lets take a step back here. The backdrop to what were seeing in the middle east, President Putin of russia is in china meeting with xi jinping. His foreign minister, Sergey Lavrov, meeting with kim jongun of north korea. We know the role theyre playing, supporting some of the violence in the middle east. There is, it seems, a New World Order being shaped, and thats before the ramifications in the middle east after israel does go into gaza and we expect violence to follow. Give us your take. Thats what President Putin and president xi are hoping for. To pick up on the conversation you guys are having, because i think there is another aspect to this that is important, and that is this. Its not just in the u. S. That information and media is splintered. Thats happened Around The World. Its not just in the u. S. That there is opinion opposed to just reporting. Thats happened Around The World. The impact of that is the impact of that is the Hospital Bombing was being talked about in the arab world on arab media within minutes of it happening. It didnt need hamas to encourage the conclusions. Frankly, talking to arab sources yesterday, it was like the lid coming off a pressure cooker. I think, to some extent, we just didnt notice that mbs and saudi arabia kept Antony Blinken waiting. We havent necessarily understood enough the level of anger in the arab world. The jordanians, i think, frankly, had no choice but to call that summit off, and ill tell you why. Because arab leaders are very, very worried about the arab street, about people coming out into the streets from cairo to beirut, because many of them remember the arab spring. It was interesting to hear the Jordanian Foreign minister yesterday talking to lester holt. When he was asked, do you really think this was an israeli missile that hit the hospital . He says, he said, thats what people think. He didnt answer directly, he said, thats what people think. That is extremely revealing. He then said, itll take a lot for them to believe its not the israelis. That was an extremely revealing answer because it told you, for the jordanians, the egyptians, the lebanese, that all incredibly worried about what arabs on the street think. Just going back to your question about, you know, president xi and President Putin, i mean, clearly, the russians know the middle east very, very well. The chinese less so. What theyre doing is theyre sitting on the sidelines, signaling their support for the palestinians, not completely backing away from israel, but very clearly signaling their support, calling for a ceasefire. Why are they doing that . Well, you know, clearly, they have security and economic interests in the arab world. Just look at russias relationship with opec. On top of that, they also see an opportunity to double down on the message theyve been trying to, you know, kind of spread Around The World over these years, which is the decline of the u. S. Just as theyve tried to claim putin just yesterday trying to claim that the u. S. Giving weapons to ukraine will prolong the agony in ukraine. Thats what putin said. The same kind of message with israel. You know, the u. S. Supporting israel just makes everything worse. So i think we really do have to be have to understand what russia and china are trying to do here, even if, plainly, we dont agree with it. Wow. You know, willie, i want to circle back to jordan and King Abdullah, who gets 1 billion a year from the United States, who knows the truth, and despite the fact King Abdullah knows the truth, he calls this a war crime, a shame on humanity, blames it on israel. I mean, i understand hes dealing with misinformation that has been spread across the middle east. I understand thats been the story for years, the misinformation thats spread across the middle east. At the same time, a guy getting 1 billion a year from us, the United States, jordan, spreading that lie . Its one thing to say its a tragedy and we need to put off the summit, but to deliberately lie and spread that lie around his own country, my god, if thats an ally, id hate to see an enemy. Youre right. Give 1 billion of aid in jordan. The saudis jumped out on the story it was israel. It was israel that attacked the hospital. Because, as keir points out, theyre speaking to the street, to their people, and it worked, by the way. People were in the streets threatening embassies across the middle east of the United States and israel. Jonathan lemire, the president s visit yesterday, symbolic on the one hand, but also did achieve the opening, or hopefully the opening for the Rafah Crossing to get humanitarian aid in from egypt to gaza to help some of the civilians there. How does the white house feel the trip went . How important was it for him to be there . A partial success. They got word of the cancellation of the Jordan Summit, because of the Hospital Explosion, literally as the president ialmotorcade was pulling up to Air Force One at joint base andrews. There wa a quick conversation of whether or not to cancel the trip entirely, and the answer was no. They felt it was important to g to israel to show support, but they understood that meant the only image coming out of this trip would be Biden Hugging bibi netanyahu, the Prime Minister of israel, and how it would be per perceived. It shows even the limits for the president of the United States heading overseas. There will be ramifications in the wake of this false report about the hospital and then the upcoming Gaza Incursion by Israeli Forces. The other part of the trip they to think was a success. President biden came back on the plane, spoke to reporters, talking about the aid corridor that is going to be opened up in egypt. The trucks havent rolled yet, so we have to make sure egypt follows through, but the u. S. Is pleased with that. The president spoke with First Responders yesterday, other Israeli Citizens, was able to display empathy to those there, standing side by side. Joe and mika, an Important Message also delivered to israel, when He Invokes September 11th and says the United States understands the need for vengeance. When we were hurt, we fought back, too, but he acknowledged we made mistakes along the way. He urge d israel not to do that. Well hear from the president in a primetime address this evening. Jeremy, again, lets try to keep this in context and where we are right now. You talk about Septem

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