so, raf, what is the latest in richard engel's conversation with the senior hamas member of leadership? >> reporter: well, katy, this official is telling our colleague richard engel that hamas is prepared to release not just the foreign hostages, you can hear a boom behind me, katy, it sounds like possibly an air interceptor. the senior hamas official telling richard engel hamas has prepared not only to release the foreign hostages but this official says also prepared to release women, children and other civilians. now, richard pressed this hamas official, if that's the case, why don't you release them now? this official said, oh, well, that's impossible while this bombing goes on. richard pressed him again saying, surely if there is a will, there is a way. if hamas is serious about showing the world that it is not a terrorist organization, that it is prepared to release these noncombatants, you could find a way to make it happen. this official not answering that question directly. the israeli military has stressed again and again as they did last night when that hostage video was released from gaza that this is a terrorist organization, that it should not be taken at its word but we can at minimum say that hamas having, you know, seen the absolute chorus of outrage all over the world at the atrocities committed by hamas terrorists in southern israel is looking now for some way in a morbid public relations sense to try to reclaim some grounds. they are saying they are prepared to release civilian hostages. there is no sign yet, katy, that they're planking to do so. >> in a moment we'll be joined by the peace negotiator who negotiated for the release of the israeli soldier in 2011. he says he's open to back channels of hamas and has been in talks with them about how to get civilians out, those women, those children and the elderly he's got an update for us and we will he go to him in a few minutes but ask you about the israeli strikes or the bombings. yesterday i had an idf official on who told me that the convoy that we reported on friday, that was bombed where the palestinian health ministry said 70 people were killed, the idf is vehemently saying they did not do that. that was not their bomb. now the palestinian health ministry is saying that a hospital in northern gaza was directly hit by an israeli strike killing at least 300 people. in the fog of war, what can we say for sure? >> reporter: well, katy, this is a chaotic, unfolding situation but as you say, the palestinian health ministry says the baptist hospital in gaza city, that's the northern half of gaza, has taken a direct hit from an israeli air strike. they are saying at minimum, at minimum 300 people are dead. now, we have not been able to verify that. international journalists have not been able to get into gaza even through the ruins or closed rafah closing but the pictures emerging on social media appear to show scenes of absolute devastion at this hospital. now, we reached out to the israeli military to ask, were you responsible for this strike, we just got a statement back from them, they said, a hospital is a highly sensitive building and not an idf target. the idf is currently investigating and as always prioritizes accuracy. they say we urge everyone to proceed with caution while reporting about a terrorist organization but, katy, the reverberations from this explosion, let's call it for the moment, are being felt across the region own potentially scrambling president biden's visit and mahmoud abbas is the one who was heading to jordan to meet president biden tomorrow. president abbas' officials according to reuters are now saying he is heading back to the occupied west bank. he is leaving jordan. it is not clear whether that means he is no longer going to meet the president of the united states in amman. there's also been a very quick and very forceful statement of condemnation from the egyptians calling this strike a war crime, condemning israel for it and, again, the egyptians will be at that meeting with president biden tomorrow, so this has the potential to really turn over what was previously the agenda of this meeting and, katy, it shows you just the risks, both physical, but also political, diplomatic for president biden flying into a situation like this, a literal war zone where everything is so up in the air. >> it is a kinetic situation to say the least. raf sanchez, raf, thank you very much. we'll have more from gershon baskin and what he's talking to hamas about in regards to the hostages in a moment. we'll take a hard right in the show, trust me, it will be full of hard rights and lefts because we are going and back and forth between two major stories. the other is what is happening on capitol hill where congressman jim jordan of ohio did not even come close to clinching the speakership. in a roll call vote 20 republicans voted for someone else, in a few cases they voted for a guy that's not in congress anymore. the house has been in recess as jordan tries to convince 17 of them to vote for him but what can he say? these are not hard-liner disrupters, not the ones that blocked mccarthy. jordan lost conservatives and moderates, red district republicans, and blue district frontliners include the new york republicans who helped give the gop the majority like mike lawler, and nick lalota. does the man help them get re-elected in districts president biden won? what can jordan say to convince them? if he convinces them, does he lose someone else because there are a lot of competing interests. the gop doesn't have anyone to bridge them all. joining us now is republican congressman ken buck. congressman, thank you very much. you voted no. but you say you don't want tom memer to be speaker. >> it was an attempt at humor. i voted tore follow emmert. tom is a friend of mining. i don't think the speaker's job is something that will be very easy for the next 13 months so i was making a joke about not liking tom and that way supporting him for speaker. i think we are in a situation right now where congressman jordan loses more votes in the next round of voting if he takes it to another round of voting than in the last round. there may be a couple of people that move over to vote for him. i think there's a number of people that will vote against him in the future. >> humor does not come off when someone sends me your verbatim, i'm sorry. my apologies for that. let me ask you what you want. when i was speaking to you the other week about steve scalise, you said you wanted a few assurances from him, one, a number on what the deficit would be, a spending number. and, number two, that he would come out and say definitively that former president donald trump lost the election and president biden won it fair and square. are these two things what you'd like to see from jordan? >> yi, they are. i don't know that my number for spending will be what moves the conference and so i am absolutely willing to compromise. i have made my point, i think, as loudly as i can, so those who are listening we have a spending problem and need to address it. i think it's been heard. i won't hold up a speaker vote for that. i am concerned that congressman jordan has not agreed to say that donald trump lost the election and joe biden won the election. i'm concerned that the events leading up to january 6th included congressman jordan participating not in, you know the riots but participating in the challenge to the election in ways that i think are really inappropriate and i think that republicans that run in the future are going to have to run on jim jordan's actions and that's going to be very difficult for them. >> so jim jordan doesn't get the speakership, you believe, and what happens then? what do you suggest? is it giving patrick mchenry some more power in the interim? >> i think one of the options to have a 30-day speaker, patrick mchenry, the logical choice and give him full power so if there is an israel sup mental package from the white house we would have the ability to vote on that and ability the to vote on ukraine aid and some other issues that are urgent, not emergencies but urgent. i think that there is other business that we need to get done in terms of spending and making sure that we keep the government open in 30, 31 days. >> so if it's not going to be patrick mchenry after those 30 days, what would you support? >> well, that's the question really. giving -- taking this pressure off and getting into conference and having a discussion without the emotion, i think, we'll come to an agreement on tom emmert, on kevin hearn, on mike johnson, on someone that is interested in doing it and that can bring the different groups together. >> is there any possibility that there -- there is a unity leader? maybe it's not hakeem jeffries but somebody the democrats will vote for as well committed to taking the majority opinion of the house, both democrats and republicans, that vast middle and pushing forward legislation that they prioritize so nobody is beholden to the extremes of either party? >> i think this 30-day speaker idea with patrick mchenry may be just that. i would be surprised if the democrats didn't embrace something along those lines and i think a large number of republicans would do that also, in fact, you know, 80%, 90% of republicans would do that so that's one way to move forward for 30 days. >> can your party, the republican party, lead? have you proven, has the party itself proven that it's just not capable of leading right now? >> our party has a four-vote majority. we had a five-vote ma jeret, someone retired to be with his ill wife. i don't know that there's been a four-vote majority in congress for a long time so it's difficult to bring the different factions together, to lead in this situation so i would say to you we've passed a number of bills, a number of spending bills and other bills and we will as we move forward, but right now obviously we are not leading. >> see what's going to happen for the rest of the day? jim jordan's people just told nbc news and other reporters that they believe there will be another vote today. is that what you anticipate? >> i believe it is up to jim. i mean, if jim wants another vote, he will get another vote. if he wants to go to conference and have a discussion we'll do that. i'm just waiting to hear what the next move is. they've said there's going to be another vote so i trust them. i don't know the timing. >> why do you think more people in your conference are going to decide not to vote for jim jordan after this? >> because they promised him their vote on the first ballot, but told him that they want to move on and they will not vote for him on the second ballot and i don't have any names for you but my understanding is there's eight or ten people in that category. >> congressman ken buck of colorado, thank you very much as always for joining us. we appreciate it. >> thank you. >> joining us now is nbc news capitol hill correspondent ali vitali. what are you hearing out there on capitol hill right now? >> reporter: well, katy, i think there were a lot of interesting pieces to your interview just now with congressman buck. he is, of course, one of those we track very closely because of the way he said he is not going to vote for jim jordan. you're right to press him on why he voted for emmert. i'm struck by the fact that he lists those two that could be passed forward within this conference but we're not there yet, at least not as far as my reporting would take us. he is right that jim jordan is likely to call another vote today. they shod expect another round ofvotes. that tracks with what our reporter was going into today jordan and his allies preparing for multiple balloting rounds and no one expected him to get it on the first round so nothing entirely shocking about where we are. it's just going to be surprising to see what the path forward looks like especially if there's a continued waiting game between the time they were on the floor and then when they go back for whatever this next round of votes is. i also think it's interesting to hear congressman buck to tell you they're starting to be momentum around the idea of empowering the speaker pro tempore and that's something i've heard from democrats and republicans saying they should empower him in terms of what buck told you for maybe a 30-day period to do some legislating, specifically around the dead. lines of a government shutdown and, of course, the ongoing urgent situation in israel. that's one idea but not one i've heard take widespread hold but one i'm tracking especially now that it seems we may be going to another impasse. i don't think we're done with the jordan saga or chapter of the speaker's vote just yet. we expect one more balloting round for him today. >> it's interesting that he thinks that a patrick mchenry pro tem speakership, empowered one, 30 days would function like a unity government or a unity leader. i'm not sure about that. i'd love to ask a democrat. ali, thank you very much. we just heard from what ken buck on what he wants, who else wants what from jim jordan and can he deliver it? steve kornacki breaks down the stirewalts and jake sherman has the odds on whether he can get to 217. after that we have peace negotiator gershon baskin back with us. what is the latest in his back channel with hamas for the hostages? we're back in 60 seconds. econds >> tech: when you have auto glass damage, trust safelite. my customer really relies on his car's advanced safety system. 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( ♪♪ ) we're going to go back to israel because there are major protests as you can see right now in the west bank. this is, again, the west bank of israel where there are clashes, you can see, in the distance, protests over the bombing of a hospital in gaza that the palestinian health ministry has said at least killed at least 300 people. the images that we're seeing out of there are terrible. these are the images we're seeing out of, again, the west bank. we have not been able to independently confirm what they're reporting of those deaths or that bombing itself. yeah, you can see it's really getting ugly. joining us scholar and resident at the israel studies for the american university, dan arbel in washington, d.c. thank you very much for joining us. this sort of violence, this sort of clash is exactly what everybody has been worried about, not just was happening in the north with hezbollah or anything that might happen in gaza but that the west bank would light up, as well. >> i see the reports that -- i see that it's happening in gaza and not the west bank and that we're talking about hundreds of people injured or killed in a gaza hospital, if i'm not mistaken, and as a result of the health ministry in gaza is the hamas health ministry and they're reporting that an israeli missile hit that hospital while israel is looking into it as saying it may have been a hamas missile that hit that hospital. so it's -- the situation -- we're not exactly sure, you know, who is responsible for it, but in any case, it's a tragic, tragic event with hundreds of people, hundreds of casualties and this is just part of the horrors of war and what all sides are facing and, again, the specific issue in the hospital needs to be examined closely, but this is, again, part of an ongoing war, and, unfortunately, you know, civilians, innocent civilians are getting -- are being placed in harm's way or end up being hurt, and that's really awful. >> everything is so hot right now. the grief and the anger, again white hot. there are, again, the terrible images we're seeing out of gaza, still the hostages, there's a hostage video. it is all so bad over there right now. the president of the united states is headed to israel tonight and he's supposed to meet with abbas although abbas is apparently going back to the west bank. egypt is saying it's very upset about this hospital bombing. it's not clear that he's going to be able to meet with either of those players any longer. if you were advising president biden right now, what would you be telling him? >> well, you know, things -- it's important that biden is coming and showing support, solidarity with israel and at the same time coming to discuss the situation with arab leaders and showing that the u.s. cares, is involved, is trying to work out a resolution of this conflict. part of his original aim was to try and find ways of dealing with the piling up of terrible humanitarian circumstances in the gaza strip, so it's still very important that he does come and he does address the israeli people, the palestinian people and meet with arab leaders, but, again, we're just in the beginning of this, and, you know, we're in for a long haul and this may take weeks if not more than that and in the meantime, civilians are getting hurt. biden's trip, however, is historic and very, very important and just shows how much the u.s. cares, is involved and is trying to work to resolve the conflict. >> ambassador, what we're showing are earlier images of victims being taken to another hospital from we believe the hospital bombing elsewhere. we're also toggling between this and live images out of ramallah, the west bank where we're seeing clashes and we'll go back to those in a second. right now in the country, though, there is also a lot of anger, not just toward hamas for what happened but to benjamin netanyahu for allowing this to happen and the divisions that were already there before any of this happened, before october 7th. can benjamin netanyahu continue to lead? is he the best decision maker right now for israel given that his political life is also on the line? can he make the best decisions for that country? >> yeah, i'm one of those who believes that he is not. that's my personal opinion but he is the elected prime minister of israel, and he is leading the cabinet at this moment and while there is fighting, i don't see anything changing that, but i do believe that once the dust settles and once this is over, he will have to face the israeli public and, first of all, take responsibility, something that he's not done so far and at the same time, look inward and make -- he may reach the end of the road for him politically. certainly the leadership has -- you know, this was a systemic failure on the leadership level, the idea of the forces level but the government has a lot of responsibility here and certainly mr. netanyahu is heading the government, has to -- many questions to answer as to how this has happened and how he's handling the situation. >> let me ask you about what they do next and what sort of prudence they should be -- the israelis should be exercising. again, given how hot everything is and how it feels like the whole region is a tinderbox, is there a way for israel to maintain the international support that it currently has given what we saw on october 6th, the horrible images? is there something they can do to maintain that without a speakership f ds without democratic support so inflaming international concerns democrats are trying to cut a deal. i don't think they'll need a for gaza? you know, and the humanitarian deal. the republican house jej crisis that that strip is speaking is sick of this weeks' currently facing? long leadership race and >> it's very difficult. israel has a tough balancing act mchenry, to be honest with you, he's been in the house for a very long time, katy. to take and to make because, you he's probably the most prepared for the job. i don't think he can get 216 for know, international pressure is a long term or 217 for a building. as long as the u.s. gives israel long-term speakership but i think for 30 days, to fund the the green light or is not tying israel's hands, israel will government, to do the blocking continue with the operation. and tackling of the speakership at a certain point if situations he will be able to get those votes and quite prepared to do like we're seeing now in gaza that. >> in the name of the game seems with this hospital, this tragic to be kick the can down the death of hundreds of people road. dick sherman, thank you very continues, then it will be very hard for the u.s. to continue to much. currently in your office where you look like a cyborg because back israel in such a way and may impact israel's, you know, the reflection on your glasses -- >> no, i am a cyborg actually. maneuvering and ability to kind >> that would make a lot of of continue in the same way, but sense. thank you. >> thanks, katy. israel -- didn't even begin its we'll make another one of our hard turns but it will be ground operation and is probably waiting till biden is out of the interesting. coming up what does hamas want, region before it goes back to and what is israel giving to that idea, and, again, the give? 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as we reported at the top of the show, a senior hamas official tells nbc news that the group is willing to release all civilian hostages if the bombings stop. yesterday we spoke with gershon baskin, the man who helped negotiate for a successful release of an israeli soldier back in 2011. he told us he opened an initial back channel to hamas, one that he believes has become an official channel with qatar and the united states acting as mediators between hamas and israel. joining us now once again is gershon baskin, middle east director for the international community's organization. he initiated the peace negotiations gena resulted in the release of israeli soldier in 2011. do you have an update for us? >> well, i heard the proposal again, there is currently no that was issued. speaker on capitol hill, and actually i heard it from nbc. let me tell you what i think is congressman jim jordan failed to get the gavel today coming up 17 the problem with the statement votes short as 20 republicans that they'll release civilian voted against him. joining us now at the big board, hostages in exchange for the ses national political correspondent session of bombing. steve kornacki and msnbc who are the civilian hostages? political analyst jake sherman. all young israelis as soldiers. so what was interesting about when i say young israelis, i this vote, steve, is that it mean from 45 years down. wasn't a bunch of the hard-liners, the same people who >> including women? were initially hold-outs for >> including women. kevin mccarthy and made him go women served in the army. they captured women soldiers. so many rounds, it's not even all the people that voted motion many of the young girls that they captured from the music festival were soldiers on to vacate him, voted for that vacate motion. holiday for the weekend. this is a wide spread of republicans. can you help me understand who so they haven't said who are the voted no and what their desires civilians, how many they are. are? >> yeah, it is sort of a diverse that would need to be clarified. group here, this 20 that didn't and then we would know how vote for jim jordan. serious the number is that a couple things are striking. they're talking about. number one, the fact that the number is 20 when you were secondly, what kind of guarantees do they expect to get listening to some of jordan's from israel that once the allies set the stakes for this hostages are freed, israel won't vote today. they were talking about being renew the bombing? and it's unlike hamas to accept within ten votes, single digits and ends up being 20 vote, 20 an agreement that there aren't republicans who go against gants attached to. jordan on this, by contrast, who will ganss to hamas that israel won't renew the bombing? kevin mccarthy in that first i think hamas needs to vote for speaker back in january, when he fell short, understand that there's no there were 19 republican scenario which leaves hamas in defections so there was one more control of gaza after this war is over. republican defection this time no scenario. around. but when you look at it, hostages or no hostages, it is ultimately there was one simply not going to be the republican who was missing gus reality that we will see in gaza that hamas will be able to govern and continue to threaten bilirakis from florida. israel at the end of this war. he would be a jordan vote. so i think that their proposal if he is back it would put that they issued which by the republicans at 221 votes, 212 way is the same proposal issued for the democrats and basically by the iranian foreign ministry it would mean that 4 defections, is psychological warfare on the that jordan could endure four israeli public. we don't understand the complexities of the nonproposal defections from this list and so you take a look through this they are essentially making. >> you're saying they're not list here, these are all the actually making a proposal. republicans we were keeping an that this is nothing? eye on going into the vote. >> i don't think it's a who hadn't indicated publicly how they were going to vote and proposal. i think if they're serious about when you say there's a range, making a proposal, they would be you're right, don bacon from raising it through the official nebraska did not vote for channels to which they are negotiating. jordan. he voted for mccarthy, who is the hamas leadership sits in qatar. the qatari negotiators are right don bacon? a more moderate republican and next door to them. represents that congressional they don't need to tell nbc news district in nebraska that actually voted for joe biden by that they're making a proposal. if it's real, they need to do it seven points in the 2020 through the channels that are election. established for negotiations. he's a blue district republican >> do you believe that's what and he voted -- probably in his they're doing right now? are those conversations political interest in that happening? yesterday you said you believe district not to be voting for they were. any news today? jim jordan to be taking a public >> i believe that they are, but i think that the fact that the stand against him but americans have stepped in as a interestingly there are 18 republicans in the house who come from blue districts like negotiating partner in place of don bacon did, only six of them israel with the qatari track led voted against jim jordan, the to bringing in the iranian majority, two-thirds of them actually voted for jim jordan. track. the head of hamas flu to tehran well, you also saw, you have yesterday and the iranian your guest earlier ken buck, ken foreign ministry issued its statement on behalf of hamas. buck from colorado, very conservative, not from a blue i think it's really damaging to district, he seems to be dug in pull the iranians into the here against jim jordan when it negotiations when we need to comes to this. streamline it and have it less you go further down the list and you see other republicans, kay convoluted than it is already. the qataris as i said yesterday granger from texas, safely republican district. she's voting against jordan. need to be negotiating directly mike kelley from pennsylvania, with israel and halsey and needs safely republican district, he's to be quick and done out of the talked about this idea of eyes of the media. it needs to be directly with the patrick mchenry maybe becoming israeli decision makers, not an interim 30-day speaker of through a third party back expanding his powers. channel like myself. you get jen kiggans and joe there isn't time. the clock is ticking before the israeli ground incursion. once that begins there is almost no room left for a negotiation. biden carried this district by >> so you say the united states two points. there is a mix right there and, should take a step back. again, the bottom line if five, we have -- >> i think there's a role for the united states. if five who voted against jordan i think president biden and the dig their heels in and united states need to tell the qataris and for that matter the absolutely refuse, he's not going to get the number. turks that they need to issue an he's not going to get elected ultimatum to hamas, if hamas speaker so it sets an does not order the release of interesting stage for the hostages, i'm not saying all the upcoming second vote that apparently is going to happen hostages, then hamas will be because you want to see how many exiled from qatar and hamas will of these folks who voted against be exiled from turkey. jordan on this first ballot, how there are hundreds of hamas many of them were kind of families in turkey. getting a frustration about the there are the entire hamas process of the last few weeks leadership, the exiled out of their system and are leadership in doha, qatar and willing to get on board with jordan archbishop for the second turk question are allies of the united states. ballot. turkey is a member of nato. obviously that's what his team is hoping for, they can chip there is a u.s. army base in qatar. this leverage needs to be used. away at the 20, show progress, we don't need the americans to keep going, keep momentum going negotiate for israel. israel is capable of but what ken buck told you at negotiating. the start of this hour is very we need the americans to apply interesting as well. pressure on qatar to apply the how many republicans told jordan pressure on hamas. >> why would the qataris listen they'd be with him on the first to the americans or the turkish ballot, they'd be willing to would listen to the americans? give him a chance to get to a >> it depends what's at stake. majority or get close to that majority and seeing him fall 20 qatar is a country we saw through the world cup made great efforts to be accepted by the votes short, how many might now world. join in the no crowd. qatar could become a pariah does he lose more votes than he nation once again as it was when it was boycotted by the g66 and gains? does he gain more votes than he loses? feels like a very important gulf state cooperation countries inflection point potentially in when qatar airlines couldn't fly around the middle east into this second ballot for jordan. what direction is he heading western capitals, as well. here? >> steve, thank you. qatar has interest in being in jake, let me ask you about what favor of western nations and not steve just said. the supporter of terrorism and they need to know that and the does jim jordan lose or gain votes after that first ballot? americans need to reapply the what are you hearing? pressure on qatar to make sure they continue to have the favor >> so, in my conversations with of the western world to have the jordan team, he loses votes qatar airlines, one of the best and i think ken buck puts it in the world to be able to fly right. into europe and the united he could lose another eight to states and around the world and ten and he has two quite for qatar to be a member of the family of nations. difficult tasks, katy. he has to hold the votes he has >> when we're talking about what and he has to -- that's happens next, we haven't seen challenging in and of itself and the israelis go into gaza yet. flip the vote, flip some of the do you believe that, one, they votes on the board. could be waiting for president 20 is a gigantic number, katy, biden to get in and get out to get him through there safely and the big problem for someone but, two, do you think it's also like jim jordan, mccarthy, even in part to try and find some though people voted againsthim, agreement on the hostages? they like him. >> i think it might be. le don't like jim jordan >> why not? it's certainly they don't want >> because he's been a huge nit to do the war on the ground when president biden is here but the biden visit is quite a surprise to everyone. i mean, completely unexpected. legislatively for the last 16 years and made no bones about that. i think what the israelis are this is not somebody setting really doing are spending a great deal of time analyzing all himself up for a race for speaker. the intelligence data that he's just not. they've gathered from the it's somebody who has been going hundreds of phones that they found on the bodies of along to get along and that's terrorists who were killed inside of israel after his persona. if i were team jordan, i'd be saturday's attack. i think that it's quite clear looking at people like david that israel has the joyce voted for jordan, cool on technological capabilities to jordan, i bet he switches. monitor, read, enter, sweep data i think it's possible that meeks from telephones throughout the from iowa switches. i think it's possible -- to be gaza strip to collect data both honest, we don't need to go through all this. tactical information on hamas' i don't see a path at all. battle plans, on the underground i think he goes one more vote network of tunnels that exist and that could be it for him. i think that's the reality. throughout the gaza strip and maybe also on the possible >> could part of the problem be he spent the weekend pressuring whereabouts of some of the hostages that israel's special these republicans and calling on forces will go in and try to recover. >> i wonder if they can use gps republican influencers on social media and in the media world to on those phones to backtrack where the soldiers might have been before this and whether that could help them find some harass them and go after them along with all of their of these hostages. >> i think it's very possible. supporters? could that have turned them off what i've been told by someone as well? >> the outside game does not in gaza, not from hamas, is that work in speaker and leadership all the hamas military people races. it never does. i don't know why people don't have been instructed to either learn this lesson. turn off their phones, take out time and time again when outside their batteries or throw them conservatives try to sway these away. that might be the case but races, it doesn't work. jim banks tried to do it in there's still millions of people in gaza with cell phones who, january when he tried to run for you know, everyone has someone whip. he lost in a pretty decided -- in their family in this pretty resounding fashion. political party or that political party and many, many it doesn't work. and the problem here, katy, families in gaza who are not hamas have relatives in hamas. again, is that this isn't >> gershon, thank you very much contained to a region. for coming back. it's not contained to an we do appreciate it and all of ideology. it's establishment folks. your expertise and analysis of it's new yorkers, it's people the situation and the ways that from the midwest. it's people from texas. the u.s. can push leverage on or it's all across the board. so there's nothing he could say on one end that helps him on the apply pressure to the qataris or the turkish. other end. we appreciate it. now, he might flip some of those thank you. >> let's hope they're listening. votes but net/net i thi think, >> coming up, the latest on the katy, to be honest with you, deadly hospital strike in gaza democrats are trying to cut a and the protests happening now deal here. in the west bank. don't go anywhere. i think republicans after listening to buck and talking to some people in the republican my dad was a hard worker. conference, i think that he used to do side jobs installing windows, republicans would grant mchenry charging something like a hundred bucks a window when other guys were charging four to five-hundred bucks. he just didn't wanna do that. he was proud of the price he was charging. ♪♪ my dad instilled in me, always put the people before the money. be proud of offering a good product at a fair price. i think he'd be extremely proud of me, yeah. ♪♪ life, diabetes. each day is a unique blend of going, doing, and living. glucerna protein smart with 30 grams of protein to help keep you moving. uniquely designed with carbsteady to help manage blood sugar response. glucerna, bring on the day. at humana, we believe your healthcare should evolve with you, and part of that evolution means choosing the right medicare plan for you. humana can help. with original medicare you're covered for hospital stays and doctor office visits, but you'll have to pay a deductible for each. a medicare supplement plan pays for some or all of your original medicare deductibles, but they may have higher monthly premiums and no prescription drug coverage. humana medicare advantage prescription drug plans include medical coverage, plus prescription drug coverage. and coverage for dental, vision, and hearing, all wrapped up into one convenient plan. plus, there's a cap on your out-of-pocket costs! humana has large networks of doctors, hospitals and specialists across 49 states. so, call or go online today and get your free decision guide. humana - a more human way to healthcare. 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>> reporter: right. katy, we are hearing from the israeli military for the first time since this strike. they are saying that they have intelligence that shows at the time this hospital was hit hamas -- well, palestinian fighters inside gaza were firing rockets from inside the strip and the israeli military says intelligence from multiple sources we have in our hands indicates that islamic jihad, one of the smaller terror groups in gaza, is responsible for the failed rocket launch which hit the hospital in gaza. katy, we should be really, really clear, this is a fog of war situation, we are not able to get into gaza, the israeli border is sealed, the egyptian border is sealed. it is very hard to know exactly what is going on here. the israelis are blaming the smaller palestinian terrorist group islamic jihad, we should say, they are providing no evidence that islamic jihad was responsible for this. they are citing intelligence that they have which they are not making public. we should also say given the scale of the loss of life here, hundreds according to the palestinian health ministry, that is not a death toll that you normally associate with palestinian rockets which are deadly, are dangerous, but they tend not to kill hundreds of people in a single strike. now, it seems like this explosion happened in the courtyard of this hospital where hundreds of displaced people were seeking shelter, were hoping fatally as it turned out that a hospital would be a safe place for them. it's possible that if a rocket fell in a contained space like that you could have a very large death toll, but it is normally heavy israeli bombs that we associate with that level of destruction, that level of death. now, hamas is calling this genocide, as you would expect them to. the palestinian government, the palestinian authority, the internationally recognized palestinian government is appealing to the united nations to save our people from this deliberate slaughter. katy, i have to say this feels like a real turning point. the west bank, there has been violence since this hamas attack, we have seen several dozen palestinians killed in confrontations with either the israeli military or with armed israeli settlers, but the west bank feels like it is about to burst into flames. there are very large scale protests under way right now in major palestinian cities in the occupied west bank like ramallah, the palestinian authority is calling for a general strike, calling for confrontations with israeli forces. there are protesters gathering at israeli embassies around the world, including in turkey. as we were saying at the top of the hour this feels like it has the potential to really, really scramble president biden's trip to the region. the palestinian authority president mahmoud abbas is apparently heading back to the occupied west bank, it is not clear if he is going to meet the president of the united states in jordan. the egyptian government has immediately and forcefully condemned this strike putting the blame squarely on israel which means when president biden sits down with president sisi tomorrow who feels strongly that israel has blood on its hands and it's not clear what level of progress can be made at a negotiating table like that. so this is -- this is a real turning point in what has already been very dark, very bloody days. >> does israel have a history of bombing intentionally bombing hospitals? ? i'm just struggling to see what the benefit would be for israel to bomb this hospital. >> reporter: they say they don't intentionally bomb hospitals. they say they respect international law. that doesn't mean that hospitals haven't been hit in previous campaigns. >> raf, thank you very much. appreciate it. coming up, again, we're going to turn. we have new reporting about the speaker fight on capitol hill regarding jim jordan. don't go anywhere. regarding jim jordan don't go anywhere. if you're looking for a medicare supplement insurance plan that's smart now... i'm 65. and really smart later i'm 70-ish. consider an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan from unitedhealthcare. with this type of plan, you'll know upfront about how much your care costs. which makes planning your financial future easier. so call unitedhealthcare today to learn more about the only plans of their kind with the aarp name. and set yourself and your future self up with an aarp medicare supplement plan from unitedhealthcare. is it possible my network could take my business with an aarp medicare supplement plan to the next level? 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>> reporter: you know, i think that our latest is that we're still expecting another vote, to the extent that that's helpful, i think that that's as far as we can go with jordan trying to continue down this path. i'm still told that that will come sometime this afternoon, but it's already almost 4:00, the afternoon is certainly waning. i can tell you that we're reporting according to sources familiar that steve kornacki, -- steve scalise and jim jordan the current speaker designee for this party have met in steve scalise's office behind closed doors. this comes as jordan himself remains in the hunt for those allusive votes that you just talked about, katie, unclear what role scalise will play in either securing them or not helping to secure them. i think that's an open question. but continuing to watch jim jordan try to go to all of these different potential king makers or movers and shakers within his conference to try to see if he can shake loose some of these current no votes is really a sign of the fact that they're not on the floor, they're not voting right now and jordan is still very much working behind the scenes. >> this is not over until it's over. we should say that. who knows what might happen in the next vote. ali vitali, thank you very much. what a day it has been. that is going to do it for me. 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