gaza city and destroy the enclaves current leadership. they're also saying the idf will soon invade the gaza strip with tens of thousands of soldiers. >> secretary of state anthony blinken is now in cairo, egypt. he is expected to speak with the president of egypt later this hour. this comes as the rafah crossing point between egypt and gaza remains closed this morning as egyptian authorities continue their negotiations with israel and the united states over allowing u.s. citizens safe passage into egypt. >> meanwhile, the u.s. embassy in israel's offer americans and immediate relatives evacuation by sea from haifa to cyprus on monday at 8 am local time. it is on a space limited basis. the embassy says chartered flights are also being arranged. >> according to the israeli defense forces, over 1300 people have been killed in israel since the fighting began with the gaza health minister reporting more than 2300 people have been killed in gaza. joining me now, nbc news correspondent from the israeli lebanon border. josh. >> hey there, good morning. as the tensions continue to escalate on the border with gaza, here on the northern border with lebanon, there is also a heightened state of alert. we are right here on the border, just behind me this is lebanon. you can see the tower here, right on the border between israel and lebanon where just a few hours ago, israel's military declared this entire area a closed military zone, extended about two and a half miles into israel. the public is being kept out of this area for their own safety. israel says that it is also restricting access to gps, basically location based apps on your phone because they are calling it active combat. this follows a fatal attack from lebanon into israel in the past several hours. there have been other cross border clashes. there are real concerns here about a second front opening in this war with hezbollah, the military here now amassing troops, tanks, armored personnel carriers, establishing checkpoints to ensure they have the northern border under control. >> nbc news correspondent, josh lederman, please stay safe. thanks for the story. >> joining me now, jeremy bash. former chief of staff at the cia and the pentagon during the obama administration. jeremy, thank you very much for being here. the new york times is reporting that the idf goal is to eliminate the political and military leadership of hamas. is that even possible? >> it's going to be difficult, jonathan. i think unfortunately as necessary because we have seen just a week ago the largest slaughter, the largest massacre of jews since the holocaust. take that in for one second. with a democracy like israel, what has to contend with. it's a catch 22. it's a horrible predicament that the leaders of hamas of putts the people of israel, and also the people of gaza in. using the people of gaza as human shields, telling the civilians to stay put even as the hamas leadership cuts in, robinson takes care of their own families. i mean, the israeli defense forces are going to try to go in and take out specific commanding control notes. if you look at a terrain map of gaza city, it's not a bulldoze operation with tanks, as is sometimes portrayed. it's an intelligence driven, specific, targeted ground operation. it's a combined arms operation with ground and air, and naval assets. unmanned systems, another long range fires, diego specifically after targets that are specifically linked to hamas. i think that's appropriate, we do the same thing. that's the number for 40,000 of our citizens, if we had hundreds of people held hostage. >> jeremy, how much of a challenge will that caused a tunnel network before the idf. not just in terms of destroying, hamas, but also in terms of rescuing the more than 150 hostages believed to be held in gaza? >> it's extraordinarily difficult, jonathan. unfortunately, i don't think anyone has a playbook for how to go into hostage rescue. we're talking about this large number of hostages, including not just, you know, well bought, able bodied adults, but children. we're talking about the elderly. we're talking about the disabled. you know, as you mentioned quite rightly, hamas is built-in underground city of tunnels to store their weapons, store their rockets, use that to move around the gaza strip, smuggle author of their people, and their vehicles, and their weapons. if they have the hostages done in the tunnels, it's going to be the most difficult fighting the idf has ever had to encounter. >> let me ask you a question, i asked a previous guest in the previous hour, at that, is we know that the tunnel system exists under gaza. but does the idf have an actual map of that tunnel system? or, as the previous guest said, the idf knows where the entrances and exits are, but it's a mystery what's in between? >> my sense is that it's an impartial map, yes. i agree with that analysis, which is that several of the entry points are probably well-known to the idf, but the exact place sane underground of different weapons caches, and different rooms, in different places where you can hold hostages, it's probably not fully known to the idf. that's, jonathan, it complicates things. as you reference in your setup here, the idf is going to have to go in and look for specific hamas leaders, go in and look for specific hamas places, vehicles, weapons catch, as walker factories. the people of gaza are being victimized. i don't think we should sugarcoat. that that's why the idf said leave. that's why they said we do not want to target you. the people of southern israel, you know, those are hundreds of thousands of people. they're also on the move as well. they're under rocket fire from hamas even at this hour, as you've reported here on the show. this is affecting civilian populations of both sides of the border. that is a tragedy that lay squarely at the hands of terrorist leaders. >> so jeremy, the big question is, what next? if israel is successful in destroying hamas, how would you answer that question? >> honestly, i think the gaza, at the end of the day, has to become a demilitarized area. it has to have a protectorate status with egypt. egypt controls the gaza strip from the early 1950s until 1967. since 2005, one gaza has not been occupied by israel, but actually has been self governed, govern first by the palestinian authority and then a year later a coup held by hamas of the last 15 years, they've maintain good relations with egyptian government. the egyptians did not want gaza when israel tried to return closets egypt in 1977 as part of the accords. nevertheless, egypt will have to step up here. >> jeremy, the likelihood of iran getting involved, if indeed a ground invasion of gaza happens? >> i'm worried about this, jonathan. they have seen an opportunity on israel's northern border to use hezbollah and iran's hamas's main proxy. we'll have to see how things go. i think the u.s. deterrence posture, whether carrier strike group, sits pain and important role in saying to iran, don't think about it. >> jeremy bash, thank you very much for coming on the show this morning. >> thanks, jonathan. >> our special coverage of the israel-hamas war continues a heads. we'll discuss the rise of antisemitic attacks across the world. later in the hour, a religious roundtable delving into the spiritual aspects of what could quickly turn into a holy war. please stay with us. ease stay with us. this is american infrastructure, a prime target for cyberattacks. but the same ai-powered security that protects all of google also defends these services for everyone who lives here. ♪ are you sweating?! didn't you use old spice dry spray? 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should i stay home all day? now i want to think about this for a minute. he called for a global day of jihad. that's what he said in arabic. it was translated in english's day of rage. so right there you are diminishing at. he's trying to religious faye, if you will, the conflict. make it about is long versus judaism. saying all jews are targets. wouldn't you think that a call it this withdrawal worldwide condemnation? what did you think that leaders, not jewish leaders, governors, mayors, and people in positions of authority would say this is wrong. you can't stage a global day of jihad against jewish people everywhere. katie, it got almost no coverage. they got almost no attention. can you imagine a world where someone would say a global war on catholics, the global war on protestants, the global war on muslims, wherever they should be. now it's very worrisome to me that terror and antisemitism has been used to prosecute this conflict right here at home. >> is there a distinction then, jonathan, between been anti israel and anti jewish? >> look, i think you can certainly be a critic of israel. you can say i don't like these policies. >> are they conflated, as what is my question. >> you can criticize israel. i have criticize the government, i'm not anti israel. i think where we draw the line to be anti sinus. this ideology is saying that i oppose the existence of the jewish state. i oppose the legitimacy of jews having the right to self determination. i oppose the whole notion that jewish people should be able to live in their ancestral homeland. that is an ideology is now college of calm college campuses. it's common in quarters of power. we have people empower who professes this idea. and then, by the way, it's common in some news from. we see this with the copy editors, and some of the people making decisions. anti-zionism live alongside's antisemitism. i was wrong. anti-zionism is genocide. what i mean is that if you so demonize scientist, by the way, every jewish person is designed as. unite not believe in the political project of the state of israel but every saturday morning, like for me yesterday, you open your prayer book and talks about sinus. praise -- jews have been praying to jerusalem for 2000 years. 2000 years. here's the point. zionism is whether you are religious jew going to synagogue every day, or you're just a cultural jew who even thinks of themselves as an atheist. zionism is embedded in our tradition. it's fundamental to our existence. and so for the anti zionists who says that all zionist are evil of dinosaur, battle zionist projects are wrong. that leaves us and a very weird position. >> jonathan, in some way, by painting such a broad stroke, do you, and someone, i kind of do the same thing by saying that's the case? >> there are plenty of people, organizations, governments, like the u.s. government agrees, disagree sometimes with the policies with the state of israel. it's not fundamentally committed to destroying the state. iran drives that. >> jonathan, i also think it goes almost beyond that, to the point where it's the denigration, the dehumanization of people. it's not just limited to the jews, it's not just limited to israelis. people could say the same for other tribes of people across the world. how concerned are you about this ground offensive been launched, lawfully, by the israeli defense forces? how concerned are you about antisemitic incidents now going to skyrocket once people see what happens more so in gaza. >> deeply concerned. like it would be wrong for me, or anyone, to hold all palestinian people responsible. >> which we do not. we do not say. >> of course not, that would be. wrong >> hamas a terrorist, frankly. >> it's wrong to hold jewish people collectively responsible for what the government of israel. all palestinians may support, you know, there brethren in gaza. just like old jewish people may support their brothers and sisters in the state of israel. it's wrong to hold any people collectively responsible. i must tell you, on thursday, on friday, there were massive rallies on college campuses in cities around the world in support of hamas. these pro hamas rallies. in london there was reportedly 50,000 people marching in the streets. here in new york, we have thousands of people marching on friday afternoon. for jewish people we feel very alarmed that these people are marching in support of a group that decapitated babies. that executed the elderly. that shot children in front of their parents. shot parents in front of their children. i mean, i saw one terrible video, terrible video of a thai worker be beaten and battered, then decapitated with a shovel. i mean these people are barbarians. so it's hard for us to reconcile how in the world can people be more chain in support of this? how can people say decolonization? if decolonization involves decapitation, i don't know who thinks that's a good idea? >> unfortunately we have rhonda time, jonathan i do think that's why education is important. people need to educate themselves on all sides of these issues. about not only the history, but be pro hamas is not pro palestinian. >> the pro hamas's anti palestinian. and be pro hamas's anti gaza. the offensive last weekend, katie, have unfortunately push the palestinian people farther away from their own independence in the government. >> jonathan greenblatt, as always, thank you for being here. >> thanks for having me. >> saturday night live returned from the writers strike this week. kicking off the night with a serious and personal story from pete davidson's own experience with terrorism and a reminder to viewers that laughter is healing. >> when i was seven years old, my dad was killed in a terrorist attack. i know something about what that's like. i saw so many terrible pictures this week of children suffering, israeli children, palestinian children. it took me back to a really horrible, horrible place. no one in this world deserves to suffer like that. especially not kids. i don't understand, it i really don't. i never will. sometimes comedy is really the only way forward through tragedy. you know, my heart is with everyone whose lives have been destroyed this week. d this week. hey! like your workplace benefits... and retirement savings. with voya, considering all your financial choices together... can help you be better prepared for unexpected events. for a brighter financial future. thanks. ahh, pretzel and mustard... another great combo. voya. well planned. well invested. well protected. this is spring semester at fairfield-suisun unified. they switched to google tools for education because there's never been a reported ransomware attack on a chromebook. now they're focused on learning knowing that their data is secure. 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>> yeah, jonathan, well as of this morning, u.s. officials are saying that this tentative deal, and they stress that word, tentative, between the u.s., egypt, israel, and qatar, to allow palestinian american safe passage through the rafah border crossing into egypt. they say the challenges around that deal still remain. these logistical challenges are the fact that this border is still close. there is no guarantee on when wl open, for how long it will remain open. hamas's influence could also play a huge role here. this is a group who has already told residents not to evacuate south. remember, half of this region, over 1 million people were ordered by israel to evacuate south. there is no guarantee that they will allow this passage for palestinian americans to access this border, which they have control of on the gaza side. despite that, the state department is urging the roughly 500 to 600 palestinian americans, these dual citizens who live in gaza, to stick around this area. they don't know how quickly the situation could change. whether it could open, and whether that period of time that it's open could be so brief that they would have a very small window of opportunity. another factor complicating this is egypt's demand for deliveries of humanitarian aid. to go into gaza and exchange for u.s. access to this border. to get americans out safely. even if that is worked out, that hamas influence and impact could still be a huge factor here. all of these, no doubt, top of mind for secretary of state anthony blinken, who is going to be going to cairo today. speaking with egyptian officials. of, course egypt is the name player in this whole deal, jonathan. >> last night, ali, and here in washington, president biden mentioned the ongoing war in israel during his speech to the human rights campaign dinner. but can you tell us about those remarks? >> yeah, the president delivering a very emotional keynote speech at that human rights dinner in washington d.c. last night. take a listen to a bit of that. we'll talk on the other side. >> we could go, we saw hate manifesting in the worst massacre of jewish people since the holocaust. more than 1000 innocent lives lost in israel, including at least 27 americans. children, grandparents alike. kidnapped, held hostage by hamas. humanitarian crisis in gaza, innocent palestinian families, the vast majority with a thing to do with hamas. >> the president also telling the crowd at that dinner about this over our long zoom call that he had with the families of those americans that are still unaccounted for. jonathan, those americans are believed to be among hostages taken into gaza by hamas. >> nbc news white house correspondent, allie raffa, thank you. >> joining me now is tennessee congressman, steve cohen. a member of the house judiciary committee. thank you for being here this morning. first, your thoughts on the ongoing war with israel and hamas? >> it's a sad thing. one of my earlier memories that i have in a crystallized fashion was the 1967. i guess of reflected on the yom kippur war on. there's still going on. it's dreadful. hamas is intent on destroying the state of israel. to destroy a homeland for jewish people, to kill all jews. with that type of mentality, and with what they did last week, there is need for this action against hamas. with all concerned. it needs to be extending troops, palestinian people, who have also been victims of hamas. who have spent more their money on military tunnels, weaponry, then on good opportunities for the citizens. who use citizens as human shields. hamas is bad for palestine. hamas is bad for israel. >> congressman, i understand that you have been helping bring a group from memphis tennessee back home. they've been stranded in israel. what's the latest you can tell us about this effort? it's not just, them there's a number of americans who have found themselves in israel that are obviously having a difficult time trying to get back to the state. >> the group from -- memphis has made their way to jordan. now they may be back in the united states. they made their way back to israel, to safety. they will be home if not now, very soon. >> what about the balance of the american citizens that we're hearing about from the state department who are currently having a few options, albeit very limited ones in terms of brief windows of opportunity to leave? we know there's going to be some type of boat transport from high fences cyprus on monday. and then there is currently still negotiations between egypt, israel, and the united states. there is still tentate terms of an agreement to allow americans on the southern part of gaza to be able to get to that rafah crsi to enter into agents with safe passage. it's gotta be difficult to be able to try to help to guarantee the safety of these americans that they can get out of israel, gaza, as well as any other location right now. >> we had a break in congress i think on wednesday, and the state department. they assured us that they would announce on thursday, which i believe they did. there are uncharted flights, needs to get american people out of israel. also they are working on. it is difficult. in gaza, there is a need to work with egyptians. that's where secretary blinken's right now, doing the best job i think we've seen on american diplomats in the middle east. he is everywhere. he is trying to get things done. egyptians needs -- they have not held the palestinians in the past. nor have they really had the saudis. not so much the jordanians. at some points, the -- has more wealth than i guess buffett put together. he is not doing well for palestinian, have the jordanians. he hasn't. the arab world needs to come together with israel when this wars concluded to do things to make gaza a land for children have opportunity, where everyone has an opportunity for a job. we're insist 24 century country. >> congressman, let's talk about trying to get a not only to israel but other countries like ukraine. they don't have a speaker in that house of representative. i know that there is possibly going to be, on tuesday, some kind of vote to see if jim jordan becomes the speaker of the house. do you actually think that's going to happen, sir? or is this just going to be more chaos from the gop? >> well, i was hoping to get home on friday afternoon for engagements i had planned in memphis. i cancel two flights to stay, there and work with our caucus to ensure unity for -- they didn't get their act together. i don't know if they'll get their act together. i don't think that the votes are in for jim jordan. i understand he has a lot of right-wing action groups involved in calling him, and calling congressman, threatening them if they don't support. jim jordan would not be good for congress. jim jordan would not be good for america. he is an extreme right wing fascist. he was involved in the overthrow on january 6th. he did not respond from congress, with january six committee. there are issues in this past, in the security of students under his -- that he was just urban. it will be part of television, it will come out of a movie that george clooney is producing this fall. it's fact, has been talked about, republicans and they're concerned abt. >> congressman steve cohen, always bringing the truth. it's great to see you. thanks for being here. >> you're welcome, katie. nice to see you. >> at least three religions consider jerusalem the birthplace that their face. up next, we talk to three experts about the reverberations that israeli hamas war is happening on their religious community. s community. frastructure, a prime target for cyberattacks. but the same ai-powered security that protects all of google also defends these services for everyone who lives here. ♪ listen, your deodorant just has to work. i use secret aluminum free. just swipe and it lasts all day. secret helps eliminate odor, instead of just masking it. and hours later, i still smell fresh. secret works! ohhh yesss. ♪♪ if we want a more viable future for our kids, we need to find more sustainable ways of doing things. america's plastic makers are investing billions of dollars in new technologies and creating plastic products that are more recyclable. durable. and dependable. our goal is a cleaner, healthier planet for generations to come. for a better tomorrow, we're focused on making plastics better today. rsv can severely affect the lungs and lower airways. but i'm protected with arexvy. arexvy is a vaccine used to prevent lower respiratory disease from rsv in people 60 years and older. rsv can be serious for those over 60, including those with asthma, diabetes, copd, and certain other conditions. but i'm protected. arexvy is proven to be over 82% effective in preventing lower respiratory disease from rsv and over 94% effective in those with these health conditions. arexvy does not protect everyone and is not for those with severe allergic reactions to its ingredients. those with weakened immune systems may have a lower response to the vaccine. the most common side effects are injection site pain, fatigue, muscle pain, headache, and joint pain. i chose arexvy. rsv? make it arexvy. last week on saturday, a holiday known as the chabot, marks the deadliest day in history for the jewish people since the holocaust. >> this morning, the israeli defense forces recording more than 1400 people have died, and more than 3500 others have been injured. >> palestinian ministry of health reports more than 2300 people have been killed in gaza, more than 9000 injured. >> religious communities around the world are coming together and solidarity, praying for peace and for the people of israel and gaza. a panel of religious leaders us here to discuss more. >> joining us now, reverend job -- senior minister of collegiate church. rabbi joshua stanton, rabbi of east end temple. hussein rashid, academics, speaker, an educator. thank you all so much for being on the show this morning. this question is for all three of you. there is a lot of division over support in israel and gaza, palestinians. how should we approach this? reverend louis, you go first. >> thank you so much for having us on. i think that we have to approach it from our deepest values, and we share these values. my research on religion, all the world's major religions have something about loving your neighbor as yourself. in judaism, it's love the stranger, because you were one strangers in a strange land. my islamic friends don't withhold anything from someone that you need for yourself. we as christians kind of cheat with both of those thoughts and say do on to others as you would have them to you. this has to be filtered through the lens of what it means to love one another. joshua hussein and i, we practice that kind of fierce revolutionary love and which are camaraderie, our collegiality, our friendship gods of conversations and actions. >> burnstown? >> so we are of course praying for all of those who have been victims of hamas's attack in israel. that does not keep me, as a rabbi, from praying for all of the palestinian civilians who are being impacted and really awful ways. this is a moment for opening our hearts, our minds. this is a moment for radical compassion and love. this is a moment to figure out what we do have uncommon, across religious traditions. yes, i love and i support israel. that does not mean that i need to hate my neighbors, hate my friends who are palestinian, arab, or muslim. >> and mr. rashid, your thoughts. >> thank you for having us on. i echo what my colleague said. when we look at this is a national conflict, when we are going to choose thoughts based on national lines, what we're doing is asking people to look at the human cost of this. how do i grieve with my friends who are from israel, as i'm grieving, as i have for many years, with my friends from palestine. my friends who have had hostages, who've had families taken as hostages. as i hear from my palestinian friends who yesterday i got a report, many members of his extended family were killed. how do i grieve these, how do i choose sides, and work towards a just peace that recognizes that there were real grievances here we can move beyond. >> reverend louis, this is katie phang. i am, i want some advice from you. from all of, you frankly. when people say that it's religion that is the problem, when people try to say that it isn't just a land war, it's more of a holy war, that that's kind of the crux of what's going on here. what do we say in response to those types of criticisms? >> katie, that's an excellent question. the truth of the matter is as our holy text two putts on page as sense of lands, identity, belonging, who is entitled to the space. so religion is a problem, as a religious leader, i'll say it. it could be hugely problematic. if we don't keep listening for this still speaking god, if we don't use our rationale and our hearts, and our minds to understand what these text mean, if we do that, we see that a god we all call one god, one space, place, time, love, floral shane, abundant live for all of us. so i think we need modern critiques of ancient patterns. >> you know, as you all are very well aware of, jerusalem is one of the oldest cities in the world. it's changed hands many times throughout its 5000 your history. i'm just wondering, how is this current conflict, this war, between israel and hamas, reflective of that passed? or is it? mr. rashid. >> i think trying to frame this as a religious conflict keeps us from moving beyond what is at stake right now, which is that there is a campaign of people. it's under the veneer of religion, and for some people this is a very important religious issue, but what do you do with palestinian christians, with palestinian atheists. with secular jews who are not in this from a religious perspective? how did these people fit into the equation? i think we have to take seriously the idea that jerusalem is incredibly important religious site, and you cannot kill in the name of peace. it seems counterintuitive, but i think we have to emphasize that. we can't take that religious illiteracy, this idea that, because someone else says it's a religious conflict, that we bring, that important back into the united states and say okay it has to be religious conflict here in the united states. i think this is something we have to keep in mind, there has to be a solution to peace, and the solution to pieces that come from not over determining the role of religion while taking the role of religion seriously. >> >> rob i stinson, this is katie phang. i wanted to ask, there's been -- and i even had this conversation with jonathan greenblatt from the adl before you guys came on the show. it's very easy to conflate this idea of being anti jewish and being anti israel, when this is going on, when you kind of forget that this is a terrorist group that is perpetrating death and this type of brutality on people in israel. is that something that your confronted with, rabbi, when you're trying to have conversations with members of your own congregation? when you're trying to find some rationalization of what's going on here? >> people are really hurting, because they're being called upon to be experts in a complicated geopolitical conflict. the idea that every individual jewish person is somehow, first of all, responsible for the actions of the israeli government, second of all, all knowledgeable when it comes to the israeli palestinian conflict, and third, our expert theologians, is an impossible responsibility, even for a rabbi to bear, much less the average person. so this is undue pressure placed on so many individual troops in the united states. and you add to this the campaign of intimidation and hate. the idea that the leader of hamas would call for a global day of rage, a global day of jihad, essentially, against jews all over the world, including the united states, has turned what could have been a very painful and complicated conflict in the middle east into a global anti-semitic campaign. and so, we need to do our best to separate the two with nuance and love. but there is a real conflation right now of hatred of israel and hatred of jews, and it shows the evident relationship between the two. and i do think the two are deeply connected, and that we need to work very, very hard to make sure that individual jews in israel and in the united states and around the world are not blamed for a terrible situation that is beyond the control of any governments, and any individual at this time. >> jonathan, do you mind -- >> reverend louis, i'm going to have you answer when we come back. we need to take a quick break, because both katie and i both want this very important conversation to continue and it will when we come back. will when we come back. my frequent heartburn had me taking antacid after antacid all day long but with prilosec otc just one pill a day blocks heartburn for a full 24 hours. for one and done heartburn relief, prilosec otc. one pill a day, 24 hours, zero heartburn. trelegy for copd. ♪ birds flyin' high, you know how i feel. ♪ ♪ breeze driftin' on... ♪ [coughing] ♪ ...by, you know how i feel. ♪ if you're tired of staring down your copd,... ♪ it's a new dawn, ♪ ♪ it's a new day... ♪ ...stop settling. ♪ ...and i'm feelin' good. ♪ start a new day with trelegy. no once-daily copd medicine has the power to treat copd in as many ways as trelegy. with three medicines in one inhaler, trelegy makes breathing easier for a full 24 hours, improves lung function, and helps prevent future flare-ups. trelegy won't replace a rescue inhaler for sudden breathing problems. tell your doctor if you have a heart condition or high blood pressure before taking it. do not take trelegy more than prescribed. trelegy may increase your risk of thrush, pneumonia, and osteoporosis. call your doctor if worsened breathing, chest pain, mouth or tongue swelling, problems urinating, vision changes, or eye pain occur. take a stand, and start a new day with trelegy. ask your doctor about once-daily trelegy, and save at trelegy.com [city ambience sounds] [car screech] [car door slam] [camera shutter sfx] introducing ned's plaque psoriasis. 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