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October 14th. Im alicia menendez. Just hours ago, israel announced that it would allow safe passage for evacuees along the two roads of gaza through 10 am to four pm local time. It is now just past five pm in gaza. And expected Ground Invasion by Israeli Forces could begin any moment. It is a response to a series of horrific terrorist attacks executed by Hamas On Israel last week. Those attacks represent the deadliest single day virtues since the holocaust. Hamas also took hostages in those attacks. Israel currently estimates that hamas is holding up to 150 hostages. The u. S. Official familiar with causes evacuation plans just with the u. S. , egyptians, and israelis have reached a tentative agreement to use the rafah border with egypt to allow safe passage for u. S. Citizens seeking to leave gaza. But the official stretches that the situation on the ground remains fluid and it is unclear whether hamas will even allow people inside of gaza to reach the Border Crossing. And nbc news has spoken to one American Mother who is on the ground. She is with her three small children at that Border Crossing, one that is supposed to be open, and she said that it was not. We will be continuing to monitor the mass exodus in gaza throughout the day as israel prepares a Ground Invasion over the palestinian territories that Officials Say is imminent. Israeli tanks and troops have amassed along the countrys border with gaza. Israeli Defense Forces have confirmed that they have already been conducting localized rates inside of the gaza strip, although they say that this is not yet the start of the offensive. But the anticipation for the next phase of the war has already created a dire humanitarian situation inside of gaza. A region that has been cut off from food, drinking water, fuel, electricity and medical supplies and other resources for several days now. Israel called on the 1. 1 million residents of Northern Gaza to leave, giving them 24 hours to evacuate to the south. A deadline has, again, already passed. The short notice to evacuate has been heavily criticized by humanitarian groups and organizations, like the United Nations. Gazans have been fleeing by foot or in jampacked vehicles along areas that have already experienced heavy shelling. Yesterday, air strikes hit three convoys of evacuees killing 70 people and injuring hundreds of others. In the weeks since the Surprise Attack by hamas, more than 1300 people have been killed in israel. A total of 2215 people have been killed in gaza. Andthe west bank. Details about the Scale Andw Sophistication of that at according to maps and documents found on the of hamas Militants Kin the conflict,s deliberately taeted elementary schos, a youth center, one kibbutz with the intention of killing civilians and children, or taking them hostage. Joining me now, from jerusalem, is nbc Foreign Correspondent kelly cobiella, with us is jim zakaria a former u. N. Israel chief kelly, what is the latest regarding the Evacuation Efforts in gaza . Both in in gaza trying to find shelter in the american citizens who are still stuck there . So the deadline for this tentative deal for americans to get out of gaza expired at 5 00, just a couple of minutes ago. Essentially, what this deal said was that the Border Crossing in the south of gaza, into egypt, it would be open from noon today until 5 00. That period has now passed. There is no indication whatsoever that that crossing has been opened, or that any americans have been able to get through. We, at nbc news, have been talking to people on the ground. They say theyve been waiting there with their families, hundreds of people are waiting. Theyre 5 to 600 people are waiting. There have been no sign that they are going to be able to cross the border today. On the other side of the border there is humanitarian aid waiting to go in. There is no deal that has been arranged for that, actually, to be moved into gaza. There is humanitarian aid. Into the United Nations is trying to work out some sort of deal so that can be brought into gaza. In the meantime, you still have thousands of people trying to move from the north of gaza into the south. It is extremely difficult. First of all, people are having trouble with the internet. It is in a now. There is very little power, if not no power. There is no fuel. Fuel supplies are running out. Hospitals are having difficulty. So, simply getting the message to move south and move south by a certain time of day is, really, really, tough. We do understand from the United Nations that 1 Million People have been displaced inside of gaza since this began on saturday. In one week, 1 Million People, almost half the population of gaza, has been displaced. They are, essentially, homeless. They also say that hundreds of thousands have moved out of the north. They cannot put a firm figure on that. In the meantime, the strikes continue. Israel has continued to bomb areas in gaza today. East of gaza city, as well as in cannes eunice, a city in the south. The very area where civilians have been told to flee to safety. There are some civilians reported killed in a strike, as well. As we have been talking about over the past couple of days the imminent Ground Offensive by israel there is no sign that that has actually begun their one deadline the 24 hour deadline past and now we are past the time period where people were being permitted to the safe passage to the south. We will have to wait and see if we hear anything from the idea as to whether or not something would begin today or if there will be more leeway for civilians to get out of harms way. My intention brought our attention to times a crisis, israelis rally around their leaders. This time is different. Tell me why . , you have the worst attack, as you mentioned, against jews since the holocaust. We have people completely in shocking issue about the scope of the murders the fact that you have up to maybe 130 up to 150 israeli grandmothers, babies, children being held hostage in gaza. Beyond anticipating the attack itself, you have the failure by the Israeli Government and the idf and the Security Forces to mobilize, to rescue people, as they were under attack. Hiding in their homes being slaughtered. On today, on shabbat, the Jewish Sabbath you have people protesting against netanyahu, against the government in tel aviv. You have people screaming on tv, calling him a traitor. You have things that, normally, and these kinds of situations where israel has been attacked, people are coming together in the country. They are still rallying around the forces. Some 300,000 israeli soldiers, many of whom are reservists who are flying in from abroad to take care of this mishit, as they are calling it. At the moment right now there is and unprecedented fury at netanyahu, who was already divisive and unpopular throughout the country, them calling for his ousting. You did mention, months of critique, months of protests against netanyahus administration. If you see this, the attack of a week ago, and the violet sense, do you see it at an additional fish report . What are you looking for next . In terms of israel, domestically . Yes. Right now, in terms of domestically, he has made a National Unity government, and then merge unseat war cabinet, as he called it. He has called and several former Chief Of Staff of the idf, i think, to try to reassure the public. He is failing at every turn. It is very unusual for a Prime Minister to go and give a speech during the Jewish Sabbath. I think the last time they did that was when a Rescue Attempt to try to rescue a soldier in 1994 failed. A soldier being held hostage. People thought there would be an announcement, he didnt. They were not crazy about that. Whenever this is over, we dont know when this is even really getting underway in terms of the Israeli Military offensive in earnest, he is the aerial strikes that we are seeing now, i dont see how he is going to remain Prime Minister. This is an absolute cataclysm all across the board. Very predictable once you saw the scope of the killings by hamas. The funerals are getting underway in israel. Unfortunately, for the citizens of gaza you have a situation where the Energy Minister in israel is saying that there will not be any Water Food Medicine until the hostages are released they are trying to use it as a point of leverage. We are going to pick up on that question with our next guest. Janine zacharia, thank you so much. Joining us now former director of the cia in an Msnbc National Security and intelligence analyst. Thank you so much for being with us. Of course, a lot of critique, a lot of discourse around if you have massive Intelligence Failure that led to the attack when we can go. Since then, of course, reports that both egypt, the United States, have passed on reports that warned that at least some sort of attack was possible. Your thoughts on what we have seen so far regarding israels failure the Intelligence Failure, how did they not see this coming . Well, frequently Intelligence Agencies pick up some indication that attack may be brewing, yet they lack the specific details in terms of when, where, and what will be used. When you get that strategic warning what you try to do is augment your defenses. Increase your ability to respond quickly to such an attack. Clearly, israel was caught totally unaware. The israeli Defense Forces were not augmented along the border. We did not see a lot of additional Israeli Military near that Music Festival where so many individuals were slaughtered by hamas. Even though there was not the specificity of what was needed in order to stop an attack, the fact that the Israeli Forces were not able to anticipate what hamas was able to do, did not take the necessary precautions along the border to try to strengthen their forces. This was clearly a failure on multiple dimensions in israel. The failure that is behind this and then, of course, the question of the role that intelligence have to play in the days and weeks ahead. The United States confirming american citizens are among those taken hostage by hamas in gaza. If you would, pull back the curtain for us. Give us a sense of the role u. S. Intelligence can play in determining the extent to which they can help in finding those hostages. I think there are two main things. And one, u. S. Intelligence will look back into their databases and see whether or not there is any information in there about hamass plans and future attack plans. To make sure that that will be processed, immediately, and shared with the israeli counterparts. In addition, im sure that there has been a surge of u. S. Intelligence capabilities, both technical as well as human sources, to try to provide some insight into what hamas is now planning to do. How they are planning to respond to what seems to be an inevitable israeli incursion into gaza. This surge is critically important. It is not just the United States. Im sure other countries, European Services and others, are trying to provide the israelis with everything they need. They are asking the israelis what they need. Sending u. S. Naval vessels to the coast, also doing things from overhead. Clearly, this is an ongoing nightmare for israel and the palestinians. Im sure u. S. Intelligence is doing everything they can to increase its ability to have some sense of what hamas, where these militant leaders, terrace leaders, are. What they may be planning in the future. Do you have a sense of whether or not israel has defined what success on this mission looks like . What success, what the objective is, other relates to hamas . The obi think they have several objectives one is to destroy hamass Terror Making Ability as well as their ability to continue to launch rockets onto israeli soul. I think they want to find and kill the hamas leaders responsible for these horrific attacks. Also, fundamentally, i think they are trying to ensure that they can find where the hostages are and do whatever they can to recover them, safely, im sure is really Special Forces and gaza are looking for any indication any information that will give them a sense of where these hostages are being held. How they may be moved around and gaza. It is a multi dimensional challenge that the israelis have. While, at the same time, trying to prevent the further loss of innocent palestinian life. It is an impossible balance, what israel is trying to do. I do not think they have a sense of what is going to happen the day after they are able to mitigate this hamas threat. Just prior to 9 11, and after the 9 11 attacks here in the United States, we decided that there was an imperative to go out and disrupt alqaeda. We did not know where that was going to go. We wound up 20 years in afghanistan. Surely the israelis do not want to reoccupy gaza. But the future for gaza and the palestinians very, very, uncertain at this point. Former cia director, john brennan. As always, thank you so much for your time. Our coverage of the war between israel and hamas continues after a quick break. That go better. Together. Burger and fries. Soup and salad. Like your Workplace Benefits and retirement savings. 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Everyone is equal. To accept that in the u. S. , i think, is on think will. To imagine that, to except the quality of the humanity of palestinians will actually solve so many problems. Common sense is uncommon. Shortcomings in all humans. It is a particular problem of the language of power. We talk about the siege, hamas, the war, whatever nobody saw for two decades to lift the siege off of gaza . Simple things. The children in gaza, 40 of people in gaza are children, or adolescent. What future have they had over the past 20 years . What feature for the next 20 years . What is the price of Equating Suffering . Where does it stop in the human mind . Even if you permit me the title, israelhamas war. As if somehow there is an isolation between an entire people and a few bad apples, so to speak. It is not that. It has been a total dehumanization of the palestinian people. In gaza, in the west bank, anywhere. Just star from speaking of the palestinians as truly equal human beings to anyone, anywhere. Especially in english. Doctor joudah, i want to pick up on a piece that you referenced here. Which is the displacement, especially because it is happening amidst a global displacement of young people. As we have watched, that have consequences that extend generation to generation. Unless you look forward on that question of what happens to these young people, in the days and weeks ahead, beyond what questions are top of mind, what are you thinking about . What is you want us to know . I would like people to know that it is a

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