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And my colleague and friend Stephanie Ruhle. Good evening stephanie. Good evening alex, get home im Stephanie Ruhle live at Msnbc Headquarters here in new york city. It is now 60 am in gaza, and israel. The region is now bracing for the Israeli Military to begin a Ground Invasion in gaza, it could start at any moment it. Israel ordered People Living in Northern Gaza to evacuate to the south. That meant over 1 Million People had to decide whether to leave their homes. Hamas, the group that carried out the Terror Attacks in israel has told gaza residents they should stay put. It has now been seven days since the massacre in israel, where at least 1300 people have been killed. Israeli forces have pounded gaza with airstrikes, and over 1900 there have been killed. We get more from my colleague Richard Engel, who is in the region. Bombs are raining down on gaza tonight. The Israeli Military saying some forces have already entered gaza, to gather intelligence to recover hostages. Ahead of unanticipated full scale Ground Invasion, one that will be a challenge for israeli troops as hamas fighters used an underground network of tunnels to their advantage. Israel gave 1. 1 million palestinians in Northern Gaza 24 hours to head south to save their lives. Some he did the order, fleeing in vehicles, on foot, and horse drawn carts. But most have not left, according to our contacts inside gaza. Many gazans are already refugees from previous wars. And they are determined not to be made refugees again. They have nowhere to go. A 22yearold dental student, is keeping a video journal. Every time i close my eyes, i either here or bomb, or see a light, or here in noise, or hear a scream. Or here a neighbor of that queue waiting. So im like, should i evacuate now . Or should i just wait for my death in my own house . Its really confusing. This is my bed. Ive moved it several times last night, trying to find the safest room to be with my family. Medical workers say they arent leaving, but they cant abandon the wounded already flooding in. Our local camera crew visited the chief of hospital in gaza city, and found it in a state of collapse. With all the beds full, patients are treated on the floor. Sheets, used for stretchers, israel says its only targeting hamas. But there were wounded children everywhere. In some cases, even those trying to flee were attacked. Medical officials told us most of these victims, 200 of them, were injured by israeli airstrikes as they were trying to escape gaza city in a convoy. That 70 were killed. [speaking in a global language] translator we were heading to the south, and they bombed us. God will punish them for this. The gaza strip is 139 square miles bordered by israel, the mediterranean sea, and egypt. Israel told gazans to move south of the whati gaza valley, all of gazas borders are shut. Aid workers say a humanitarian corridor must be opened to at least allow in food, water, and medicine to southern gaza. Gaza is moving towards where we are. 1 Million People with no food, no water. My thought is all these people in the hospital, cannot be evacuated. Wheres humanity . Where is peoples hearts in the world . The u. S. Is working to contain this war, but its already spreading. To the west bank, where more than 40 palestinians have been killed in violent clashes. And in lebanon, where the deputy chief of hezbollah, a militant group that supports hamas, said it would act when the time is right. [sound of artillery] and israeli strike in lebanon near the border with israel today hit a group of four journalists, killing a reuters videographer, and injuring six others. As the situation in gaza deteriorates israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu appeared before cameras today, to say this is only the beginning. That is really striking at its enemies with unprecedented might. And will eradicate hamas. With that, lets bring in nbc Foreign Correspondent, josh lederman. Joining us from northern israel, josh, Richard Engel just mentioned that the threat to israels on the northern border. Whats happening there . Josh . Can you hear me . Stephanie, can you hear me, we lost our connection, but i think im back with you now. Can you hear me now, josh . I can. Hey stephanie. Richard engel was just saying that the threat to israels on the northern border. You are in that region, what can you tell us . This is an area that is holding its breath right now, stephanie. They have seen violence are upped with hezbollah, a militant group based in lebanon before. They have seen in the last several days some limited skirmishes between Israeli Forces and hezbollah. They are bracing to see whether this is going to escalate into a full on second front in this war. That is exactly what to the United States other regional nations have been trying to prevent, to try to persuade hezbollah to stay out of this, to try to keep down tensions in the west bank. As richard mentioned. But we had heard firsthand from the Deputy Leader of hezbollah today, saying they are going to contribute to this resistance effort. As they see it, by the palestinians. In fact, today, weve seen an uptick in the cross border violence here, in fact, the reuters camera man, very sadly, was killed today. By an israeli strike that landed in southern lebanon, where he was broadcasting live. Several other journalists were injured in that incident, about ten miles from where i am on the other side of the border. With israel. Here in israel, a town of matola was tucked into a closed military zone. Because of the immense threat that israeli officials saw to that town, here in northern israel. So, the hope is, still, that this can be contained to and israel, hamas conflict, as we brace for that ground incursion. But in past incidents of warfare, between israel and hamas, this has tended to spiral. That would not only create a fresh challenge to Israels National Security to have to fight on multiple fronts at the same time, but would inevitably lead to far more bloodshed. That is what world nations right now are trying to prevent, stephanie. We have been unthinkably difficulties for israelis, you have been there for the past few days. What are people telling you . This is the Calm Before The Storm for a lot of israelis. They know that what they have suffered in the last week is unsinkable. We have seen all of the horrific images as their Brothers And Sisters and cousins and friends, there is nobody here who doesnt know someone intimately affected by the violence that we saw on saturday. And, at the same time, they know that this is far from over. In that rare or sabbath Evening Address that Benjamin Netanyahu made tonight, he seems to be trying to prepare the israeli people for something that is going to be protracted and difficult. He said that we are just getting started, this is going to take a while. He wants people to understand that the pain here is not over yet, but he says that they will win and it is what they need to do to protect Israels National Security. So, as they walk through the streets here, in northern israel, everything is closed. You cant go get a sandwich, you cant go to the grocery store, its not just because of the south, it just because people feel that war is on the horizon imminently and this country is, once again, girding itself for the kind of conflict that it has seen many times in years past and wondering just how bad its going to be this. Time josh, thank you so much for being here. Please stay safe where you are. Lets turn down to our lead off panel tonight, jeremy bash joins, as a former Chief Of Staff at the c eye and pentagon. Retired army colonel jack jacobs, hes a Medal Of Honor recipient and msnbc military analyst. And kevin baron is, here editorial director for political live. He was more than 20 years in washingtons defense National Security and foreign affairs. Colonel jacobs, ive not seen, we havent spoken since this crisis started. What is on your mind as you are watching all of this unfold . The first thing that crops up in my mind is how long and difficult this is likely to be. Netanyahu said it was, but those who spent any time on the ground, particularly fighting in builtup areas, in an area that has been full of rubble from the bombing can attest to the fact that this will be extremely Long Enterprise with units going house to house, The Street To street, through the rubble. Because of the nature of gaza and the built up area the advantages to defenders, hamas is almost undoubtedly in underground shelters. I know the attempt is at least part of the exercise is to get back hostages, but people who have been involved in Hostage Rescue Operations can tell you that the large majority of them do not work. You have to know exactly where the hostages are, you have to know who is around them. Usually they are in one spot, they are not moved around like they are at the moment and we should probably be realistic about the notion of getting hostages back or getting the back alive. But netanyahu was absolutely correct. The operation on the ground, in gaza, is going to be very, very long and it is going to take quite a few casualties. Even if all of the gazans who were told to move south of what you gotta do that, so it is going to be a very difficult time on both sides. Jeremy, President Biden spoke to 60 minutes about the crisis. I want to share just a clip. To those Holding American hostages in gaza, you say what . I say we are going to do everything in our power to find them, everything in our power. I am not going to go into the detail of that, but we are working like hell on it. Israel has already started doing some raids in an effort to find the hostages. Walk us through, colonel jack was kind of touching on it, what are the challenges to this kind of Rescue Operation, especially given that the landscape, the underground tunnels in gaza . First, stephanie, there really are two ways to free hostages. One is through a negotiated Prisoner Exchange or a negotiated settlement. And the second way is if you have a Protein Intelligence of exactly where the hostages are, you can maintain the element of surprise and you can use overwhelming force. We in the United States have done that, we worked on a hostage Rescue Operation in the pentagon in 2012, somalia pirates and there are some cases in africa of american citizens being held. But, again, there we have the element of surprise. We had overwhelming force and pristine intelligence on their location. Israel has no information, at least that we are aware, of of the whereabouts of specific hostages. So there is no strategy to free hostages where you go house to house, knock and announce, knock and dont announce, if we kind of bomb thats not a real strategy. So i think actually the military objectives here are really focused around Decapitating Hamas leadership, chasing down each, vtes capturing them, taking out the command and control in those. If along the way israel happens to find information about the hostages they will come up with a concept of operation that theyll presented to Prime Minister netanyahu and maybe the United States will be involved as an advisor as well. Kevin, what do think the biggest issues are for the Israeli Military in a Ground Invasion in gaza . Well, a lot of former commanders and generals in the region have been saying it better in the past couple of days that people are making their equating it to the isis war, alqaeda, the kind of Terrorism Campaigns that we see the last 20 years that if israel is going to go occupy New Territory this is Street Fighting Block by block, like jeremy was saying. It is far more than bombing, and it is going to be from the sea, air, starting with a blackouts. It would be total and israels stated, i guess theyre deal of the last couple of days is that if hamas would release the hostages then israel would and that is being tested, just like jeremy said, nobody expressed that hamas is going to release the hostages and they are going to do anything but what they have said. Theyre not gonna back down now. Kevin, we know that a lot of civilians will remain in gaza. There are many people, the hospitals have been flooded with patients, doctors are there, nurses are there. Family members of those who are in the hospital are close by. Is there any way to protect these people . They cant evacuate. Well, you know, plenty has been said about how difficult it is to move in gaza, especially to the south. Its a real offer or not to tell civilians to go south. In the past, israel has done more than that. Theyve offered humanitarian corridors. The egyptians are saying some are saying they wouldnt send more, israels making difficult for them. I think that the story about the civilians and the devastation, the further savages station to come is reverberating back home, ive looked at some polling on the last day that weve seen from groups like fall in the last week, theres a clear divide in the United States about what democrats and republicans are saying about the conflict already. Im curious to watch, even through this, week about how that changes. Initially, democrats, liberals, theyre showing for more sympathy for palestinian civilians, casualties, and less for the israelis, vice versa, the republicans. Much greater sense. That may change. I think we should expect that to change. If israel proceeds with a full campaign, Ground Invasion, and we see more of the images like you have just showed us from inside places like hospitals where its just civilian devastation. Jeremy, talk about trying to evacuate over 1 Million People from Northern Gaza. What are they up against . They are going to have to go into yuan and internally displaced protective areas, including u. N. Refugee camps in the south. I also think that the short term, but more fundamentally, the longer Term Solution in gaza is essentially to create the northern part of gaza as a demilitarized zone. To create a chord on of belt around the northern part of gaza, so that a hamas attack on southern israel can never occur again. Thats going to require not just israel, but frankly arab states, primarily egypt, but also qatar, jordan, the gulf arab countries, to really step in, to take Palestinian Refugees from gaza. To allow them to have visas, to travel to their country, to leave and resettle there. Ultimately, to find and support to monetarily the humanitarian needs of the Palestinian People in southern gaza. Colonel, how worried are you about the growing humanitarian crisis there . Well, its a terrible thing. Its likely to happen. There are people being hurt every day. Its going to become much more difficult as the Israeli Defense force moves into gaza. Jeremy mentioned something really important in this regard. Hes talking about it in the long term strategic sense, but its also true here. Over the short, tactical term. That is the role of arab countries in the region to ameliorate the situation. The egyptians are keeping their border closed. Whatever they say about not being able to open a corridor may or may not be true. But theres no doubt about the fact that arab nations in the region have the capability, and one would argue, the responsibility, to ameliorate the situation. Both tactically and strategically. Jeremy, President Biden has sent to Cabinet Secretaries to the region, obviously just days after the attack. He has spoken out forcefully. But nbc news is reporting that the u. S. Has told israel privately to show restraint in how they retaliate against hamas. Whats the issue here for the white house . Actually, my sense, stephanie, is that unlike past conflicts where after a couple of days of air strikes by israel, and the retaliation for Rocket Artillery and mortar strikes, the administration, whether was obama, or trump, or biden, they usually say, all right, cool, it cut it off. I actually think the massage is a lot different this time. Because, of course, the stakes are so much higher. And the situation for israel is so much graver. I think the Biden Administration may be saying, of course, theyre going to respect the laws of war. Youre not going to purposely target civilians. The idea does not do that. I think fundamentally, the message youre going to see is transmitting publicly and privately is we have your back, israel. We know you have

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