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Evacuate 1. 1 Million People from that densely populated region and head south. That deadline expired four hours ago. As part of that notice, Israeli Defense forces dropped leaflets across Northern Gaza, morning civilians to evacuate immediately. However, all Border Crossings are presently closed, and the people of gaza cannot to leave the gaza strip. In response to israels order, the u. N. Secreeners Office Released a statement saying the United Nations considers it impossible for such a movement to take place without devastating humanitarian consequences. Israel has rejected the u. N. s plea, and is continuing with its mission. Tonight, Israeli Defense forces announced that they have made raids into gaza territory to eliminate the threat of terrorist cellos, and to collect evidence that will aid in locatings hostages. Told gaza residents to remain in place and called israels evacuation orders psychological warfare. To give you some perspective here, the gaza strip is 25 miles long. About the length of marathon. , residents of Northern Gaza have been told to flee to the south of woody gaza, which is about halfway down the territory. Now gaza residents who do choose to make the Journey South will have to do so after surviving a fourday blockade by israel, which has cut off access to food and fuel, and water, and electricity. While Israeli Defense forces dropped more than 6000 bombs on gaza in the last eight days. Right now, the death toll in this conflict has reached more than 3200. Israel reports that the number of israelis who have lost their lives remained at 1300, with another 3300 wounded. Tonight, nbc news has obtained a top secret documents showing that hamas intended to target israeli elementary schools, and a youth center, as part of its brutal terror attack. The documents include detailed maps, and show that hamas intended to kill or take hostage civilians, and school children. Meanwhile, the Palestinian Health Ministry Reports that the number of palestinians who have lost their lives is 1900, with nearly 8000 wounded. Today, israeli Prime Minister, netanyahu, give a surprise address telling the israeli public that, quote, our enemies have only started paying the price. Those comments come as u. S. Secretary of state, Anthony Blinken, is traveling across the region to engage with arab leaders. Right, now 500 to 600 American Citizens are currently inside of gaza. Today, Secretary Blinken Met with mark moved boss, the president of the palestinian authority, which governs palestinian also met with leaders in qatar where he stressed the need to protect civilian life. As of right now, hamas now claims that 13 of the israeli hostages being held in gaza have been killed by israeli bombings. We continue to discuss with israel the importance of taking every possible precaution to avoid harming civilians. We recognize that many palestinian families in gaza are suffering, due to no fault of their own. The Palestinian Civilians have lost their lives. We mourn the loss of every innocent life. Israeli, palestinian, do you, christian, muslim, as well as civilians of every faith and every nationality who have been killed. In contrast, to those, appeals Israeli President , isaac herzog, told reporters yesterday he believes civilians in gaza bear responsibility for hamass attack on israel. Its an entire nation of there that is responsible. Its not true, this rhetoric about civilians not aware, not involved. Its absolutely not true. They could have risen up, they could have fought against that evil regime which took over gaza in a coup detat. Half of the civilians living in gaza are children. Many injured children have already been taken to gazas largest hospital, l she fought. But like most of the hospitals in gaza, it is inside the zone that israel has ordered evacuated. That hospital is just two days away from running out of fuel. Sky news is diana magnay filed this report from aushi for today. I want to warn you, as we have in the past, this footage is disturbing, and it involves children. A boy in gazas eye Al Shifa Hospital shaking like a tiny sparrow. No child should have to be broken like this to suffer on both sides from a conflict they have no part in creating. But because the bombs keep falling, the patients keep flooding in. This is chaos. Our confusion of stretchers, of injured everywhere they can go. Remember, when the generator stopped, and israels total blockade of electricity, a fuel, of water, this will get even worse. Hospitals in gaza have point. Y reached their breaking a spokesperson for the World Health Organization told reuters, there are severely ill people ose injuries mean their only chancof survival is being on life support. Moving people is a death sentence. Asking Health Workers to do so is beyond cruel. Joining me now is nbc news Foreign Correspondent, josh lederman, live from nausea. Which is in israel, near the border with lebanon. Josh, i wonder what you can tell me. I know you are moving around the country. But what you can tell me about in turn the moving of folks inside gaza, and the mood along the border towns. This is a country, right now, alex, that is holding its breath. Everyone seems to know what is about to come. And the only question is when will this massive Ground Incursion begin . Frankly, how many people will lose their lives. There is not really any question about what the scale is going to look like, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is saying the goal is to wipe hamas off the face of the earth. And in a rare friday evening sabbath address to the nation, he really seem to be trying to prepare the israeli people for a fight that is not going to be a short lived, pinprick operation. But something that is going to go on for quite some time. There is not any doubt that hamas will retaliate for an Israeli Ground incursion. They have already been sending rockets over the border into israel every single day. The concern, of course, about this spiraling to other fronts up in the area where i am at, near the border with lebanon, we heard in lebanon today, from the leadership of hezbollah, that other militant group, saying they are not going to sit this out either. The has bella Group Leadership saying that they are contributing to this palestinian cause. And when the time is right, they will act. Towns up in this part of the country are very much on edge. In fact, there was one town that was put into a closed Military Zoned. A town called matilda, not terribly far from where i am right now because of the threat there. In the west bank, theyre concerned about escalating violence. Of course, in the gaza strip, they know that what is coming could lead to really mass disaster, for a lot of palestinians. This evacuation over the last 24 hours has really brought back some harrowing memories from 1948, from when so many palestinians during the war that led to israels creation had to flee their homes. You have palestinians who are reflecting on, once again, having to leave their homes in a hurry. But also with very little place to go. Wondering what the bloodshed is going to look like, even as foreign countries, at this point, are urging israel to reconsider this evacuation. Weve heard that from the u. N. , weve heard that from aid organizations. And major questions about what will be within israels capacity to do, to minimize civilian casualties while carrying out the very ambitious goal that they have set for themselves in a Ground Incursion into the ground district. Josh lederman, thank you josh, for that report. Stay safe out there. I know were going to be coming back too soon. Appreciate the time. The pain and devastation of this conflict is being felt acutely across the region. This was a message we received today from a fati of osha mullah. The Executive Director of a gazan volunteer organization. Hes currently inside gaza. Thousands of palestinians from gaza city and north of gaza city e evacuating their homes. Its horrible. Theres no taxes for these large numbers. Ispent the morning and the evening and the afternoon helping lots of friends for securing homes and theres not enough homes here in the south of gaza strip. We are talking about 1. 1 millions of displaced people. This is the expected number. Not the majority of the people of the north and gaza city are not evacuating yet. There is no fuel, im running actually, im running out of my car fuel. Its horrible. People, theres no much enough food, theres no much enough bread. Its horrible. Gaza will never die. We will keep alive. Thank you so much. Joining me now is ayman mohyeldin, host of course of Ayman On Msnbc. A person who has covered the region extensively. Amen, its really hard. Its hard for us to hear those messages. Its unfathomable to imagine what the folks who are being asked to leave their homes in gaza are going through. Hamas has been very clear, do not leave. This is psychological warfare on the part of israel, as telling you to leave. How meaningful is that message from hamas to the people of gaza . I think its very meaningful, for two reasons, what josh was saying, i think theres a tactical aspect to it. And i think theres a principled aspect to it. I would be very susceptible very suspicious, if you will, of just simply saying hamas doesnt want them to leave without trying to understand a deeper psychology of palestinian trauma. As josh was saying, how palestinians have fled their homes, as a result of war in 1948, in 1967. 60 to 70 of the People Living in gaza are refugees, or descendants of refugees. So the idea of leaving your home is deeply embedded in palestinian trauma. The idea of leaving gaza and resettling in egypt, or some suggested, going to jordan, or going to somewhere else. Or going south, or to the desert, or why dont they just go to saudi arabia . Why doesnt saudi arabia take them in . Theres two reasons for. That one, because the trauma of not being able to return to their homes in the first place is so deeply ingrained in them, the idea of leaving again as a result of war seems very unlikely. But two, the way the International Community has dealt with the Palestinian Refugee issue in lebanon, in jordan, in elsewhere, has also been proof for the governments in the region that if you take in Palestinian Refugees, you are on your own. Thats not to say that the governments have not done well in treating them. They havent. They failed them. They havent given them citizenship, they havent recognized them. Theyve always been treated as second class citizens in these countries. The truth is these governments know that if they taken Palestinian Refugees, they will always be on their own. They will not get the money they need. They will not be allowed to be treated the way that they should be. They see what happened with Syrian Refugees in the war there, the civil war, theyre in places like turkey and lebanon. Its part of the reason why a government like egypt is so reluctant to suddenly open the border and have Hundreds Of Thousands of palestinians coming across. , yet the bombs are falling. I understand the context here, and the psychological warfare part of this. The generations of trauma relating to displacement. There is also the tactical consideration, right, the strategic consideration of how am i going to survive till monday. The Bombing Campaign has been relentless. The Ground Invasion is imminent. There are people who are, despite hamas is a directive, choosing to move. Absolutely. Youve lived in gaza, you understand how densely populated it is. We tried to give people a sense of how small the strip of land is. Its the length of a marathon. You are asking 1. 1 Million People to move from one part of the first half of the marathon, if you will, to the second half of the marathon. Theres not a lot of room. Theres no place to really go, is there . No place to go. Also, look, im not a military expert. But if hamas tactic in the Israeli Militarys top ticket is to clear out these areas in order to come into confrontation, to destroy hamas as their stated Military Objective is here, i suspect hamas is not just going to stay in the northern part of the gaza strip all the civilians move north. I think, given their history, they will move with the population to the south, vacate these areas so the Israeli Military comes in and turn around and move back up north. If the Israeli Military shifts its attention to the southern part of the gaza strip. Because the tactic of hamas, which is what i was alluding to in the first part of my question, which is they want to be embedded in the middle of the urban centers. Because thats where the fighting takes place, thats where it worked to their advantage. Where the tunnels are, where they can be in buildings, where they can move quickly in between alleyways and streets. The idea that somehow they would just stay in the city, while the civilians flee, then not to return, or just stay there, it seems tactically not like the way hamas operates. Im not sure, at this stage, and im saying full disclosure, im not sure what the clear Military Objective is right now from the military, the Israeli Military. Like i said, if they go into these urban centers and want to destroy the buildings and destroy the tunnels, theyve done that. But they havent necessarily destroyed the organization of hamas. Theyve destroyed their capabilities, perhaps, and warehouses, munitions george. The leadership will still be there. The organization will still be there. If they ultimately leave gaza in a couple months from now, then hamas will return and rebuilt, as weve seen them do, time and time again. I think one of the more enlightening conversations i had this week with you was talking about the way in which hamass and ideology that lives on independent of the actual formal organization. When you talk about routing out hamas, theres a question of whether there can be munitions that bomb the tunnels. That can be guided to minimize civilian deaths. The ways in which you can decapitate hamas by getting rid of its leadership. But it seems like, and you know this better than i do, that hamas is cellular. It works in smaller units. It sounds like this attack may have been planned on a multifaceted front. Its not as easy as just going down the Command Structure and picking people off one by one. Youre absolutely right, perhaps some of the best evidence to support that was when hamas held the law chilly d, the israeli soldier that was held captive for five years. Ultimately released in a prisoner exchange. Very, very, very few hamas people or operatives or commanders knew where he was at any given moment. Thats how they were able to keep him out of his really rich, and Israeli Intelligence for several years. Look, i think most western intelligence agencies will admit that hamas, israel has some of, if not the best intelligence capabilities. Putting aside what happened in this attack. But they have deeply infiltrated many of these organizations. As ive said before, theyve been very successful in going after some of their most senior figures and commanders. But the ability of hamas to operate on a small unit to level is what has made them also very resilient. Sometimes they dont even know within the organization how and who is in charge of which unit, and which responsibility. So the tactics remain very decentralized, even though there is a committee control structure. It makes a very difficult. We saw that in a phase when hamas was growing its rocket capabilities, when i was in gaza, in around 2008 to 2010. They were able, at the time, to really have the rocket battalions, or the rocket groups, the militants that were firing these rockets very decentralized, sometimes in the back of pickup trucks. You wouldnt know who was responsible for which capability at any given moment. That seems to be sort of the secret, as part of this attack. To do it in plain sight. The tools that are readily available, the, warfare many Military Experts on this of described. Guerrilla warfare in a very densely urban area favors, as we learn from our own military it favors the militants and the insurgence, and whatever field you are in. A man, you are a valuable resource in all of this. Come back and join me in the next hour, if you are. Aymanye thank you my friend. We have lots more to get to tonight, including concerns that the escalating bloodshed in gaza could spread beyond israels border. Were going to have a report from the border with lebanon later this hour. But first, new reporting that cia reports, warned of potential violence by hamas just days before their attack on israel. Former cia director, john brennan, fifth joins me from just after the break. Stay with us. Stay with us as therapists do, too. With great benefits from principal, our clinic shows they truly care about us. are you still struggling with your bra . Its time for you to try knix. M

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