pictures from inside gaza. it is 1:00 a.m. local time there. there has been sporadic rocket and missile attacks throughout the night. we have seen that on both sides. he's the moment that an israeli air strike hit a target earlier today. what began with those surprise and horrific terror attacks has now turned into a war, hamas is threatening to execute some of what it claims are 150 living hostages that they have apprehended. they say that would be in retaliation for any israeli strike that kills civilians. israel has ordered a complete siege of gaza with quote, no electricity, no water, no food, no fuel. israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu said this in an address today. >> in place from which hamas operates, we're planning to -- what we will do to our enemy the next few days will echo for generations. >> there is a count of about 800 israelis who have been killed so far. 2,600 wounded, 678 palestinians have been killed, according to these estimates and for those watching in the united states, 11 americans also among the dead. israel has been moving troops and tanks to the border with gaza, and called up 300,000 reservists on the ground. israeli forces say they have regained control of border towns but there may still be terrorists in the area. here is some of what we learned from nbc's richard engel reporting during some shelling today. >> stay down, stay down. richard and his team did take precautions there. they have checked in and are safe. there's also more focus tonight on the fate of a specific group of hostages and others who were targeted as civilians, disturbing videos that show some abducted. these were israelis who were peacefully at a music festival or concert. this is one of the story lines. we have more on that horrific attack later. i can tell you one mother spoke to nbc's andrea mitchell about what happened to her children. i could hear people speaking in arabic outside their door, and they broke in, and the last thing i heard was the youngest who's 12 saying i'm too young, don't take me, and that was it, that was the last time i heard from them. >> >> there are countless such stories. the humanitarian carnage is something we are all still just processing. the united states has ordered navy warships into the area, an aircraft carrier, military supplies being sent to israel. there's some fighting that erupted on israel's northern border with lebanon earlier today which raises fears about widening to other regions, to hezbollah, and whether other middle eastern countries will engage. we are going to be covering all of this for you tonight in a time where we have more video, more phones, more surveillance materials than perhaps past wars. we will also take measures tonight to show you the reality of what we understand to be happening with warnings and standards for some of the horrors that we are seeing whether it is on video or as described in these accounts, and i have two experts standing by who will walk us through what is happening in the region in just a moment. we begin first on the ground, msnbc's anchor, ali velshi has been reporting live from tel-aviv. thank you for your work, and tell us what you're seeing, sir. >> reporter: horrors, as you said, this has gone from a terrible situation on friday night and saturday morning into attacks that continue to come in to israel from gaza and counter attacks and air strikes that go from gaza into israel and air strikes from israel into gaza. earlier this evening, we had several here in tel aviv. they were intercepted by the iron dome system. we had about eight in a row that we heard the explosions of. we also know there have been attacks by israel in gaza. the developments are that israel has called up 300,000 reservists. that's the largest number they have ever called up. in fact, they don't have those people in the country. they have organized flights to bring reservists from other parts of the world that they might live in. israel has got a problem on the southern border with gaza. it's got a growing problem that's been going on for ten months with things in the west bank, starting to heat up. there's no military force in the west bank, but they have added reserve troops to that over the last several months, and it has the possibility of war on its northern border with hezbollah. israel is very tense at the moment. they have imposed a siege on gaza. what that means is no feud, fuel or water will be shipped from israel into gaza. gaza is not a self-contained environment. it has electrical power that is generated by a plant that works on diesel fuel that it has to bring in from israel. gaza has about three days worth of fuel left, maybe four days at the most, and they're going to run out of water. 135,000 people in gaza are without their homes because of the strikes on that side. meanwhile, hamas has said that if israel strikes homes in gaza of people who were not involved in this thing, they will kill one hostage for each one of those people. the hostages become a very serious issue here because while they're there, israel is limited as to what it can do in gaza. they're not israeli soldiers inside of gaza, so they have to figure out where the hostages are and how to get them out. it may mean negotiation, it may mean more force. the bottom line, it's worse and worse with every few hours here. >> understood. ali velshi, stay safe, and thank you again for your reporting on the ground. we're joined by susan glasser, who write writes for the new yo magazine, and ronan, who writes for the "new york times," they have heard about past attacks. where do you put the hamas attack over the weekend on the scale factually compared to the past? where does it stand? >> doesn't stand anywhere. it's just totally different. first, the ability to execute a very sophisticated ground assault, for some time have total control over parts of the southern of israel. the ability to understand the idea, the ability to evade any kind of intelligence detection, the ability to continue fighting on the ground for very long time. until now, there are still militants of hamas there, but mainly, this isis mindset of conquering, destroying, and killing a massive massacre of children. this is something we haven't seen in the israeli/palestinian conflict, never, ever. and it seems that hamas was trying to not just kill as many people, and take some hostage, but also take videos and show it is not a coincidence that we have so many videos from the scene that were taken by the hamas terrorists and were sent to social media. they were trying to create shock and awe, demoralize, and of course portraying themselves. as much in the israeli mindset, this immediately goes back to the holocaust and scenes from that era. >> susan, your thoughts on the same? the scale of it, the unprecedented nature, the sheer death toll of israeli civilians, which rivals month's long efforts, and what else you want to add beyond what ronan said. >> yeah, i think his point is extremely important when it comes to this spectacularly horrific nature of the crimes that they're televised. it's been a spiral in a way of terrorist groups for some years using not only the internet but now the tools of social media and realtime, you know, horror content creation. and the goal of this clearly was to provide a decisive break with the actions of the past. this is not just one of these spirals of retaliation and response that we have seen over the last few years. i think it's shocking israel, and potentially parts of the rest of the world out of this cycle and saying this is something different. as far as the scale of the deaths, we still do not have a firm death toll. it will continue to grow, and what that says is that in a small country like israel, this is an event without precedent. analogies here are going back all the way to 1948, war that led to israel's -- that followed israel's founding as a state. this is something that is going to be beyond even a once-in-a-generation type of attack for the citizens of israel. it's that big of a moment, i think. >> and so, what do you see, that targeting of israeli civilians, because they are israeli, because they are jewish, that type of targeting, murder, hostage taking, alleged war crimes, how does that play out in a region where israel has had both significant conflict with some of its neighbors but also recently, and we have a report on this coming up later in the program, potential breakthroughs? >> first of all, i think this will bury any chance as much as there was a chance for any resolution to the israeli/palestinian conflict for many many many years. people who are considered to be very moderate, leftist, liberal, who sported the two-state solution for a very long time, friends of mine, all of them say we lost any faith, any trust in a potential peace agreement, but because of this region, israel will react with force that the region never saw from israel. it's not just about revenge. it's not just because israel promised, the first prime minister promised never again, never again, the holocaust. this was not the holocaust. holocaust scenes reminded of this. hamas, i believe, a complete , with no choice but to show an area that they believe was force, to show massive force after that. because some israeli figures believe if they don't, then we are doomed in this area, and nobody will give us real respect and let us continue living after that. >> before i let you go, could you build on that point for what is the american or foreign audience. you're saying people who were on the israeli left or were supporters of what is called two-state solution or a peace process, you're saying they look at this kind of attack, this ambush and this show of force against civilians, against the elderly, against children on some of the videos, and that diminishes any hope for a two-state solution, why? because you're saying the state that would exist would pose these kinds of threats? >> yeah, but people see those militants of hamas storming into children and families and butchering them. they say we don't have any kind of -- there's no hope, there's no chance that we will have any kind of negotiation or any kind of diplomatic resolution with those people. and also, i believe that the israeli reaction would be so aggressive, so fierce, you heard prime minister netanyahu speaking, that it by itself will create so much anger and so much resentment, and so much hatred, i think hamas has just sentenced us, all of us, to continue living on -- for many generations. >> ronen bergman, i thank you for your thoughts, your analysis here. susan does come back because we have other programming coming up. susan stay with us. what we're going to do next after a very short break is a break down on how we got here. why is this happening now? where are we headed? >> i'm back with you in one minute. in one minute liberty mutual customized my car insurance and i 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intelligence. >> this is an attack that i don't think anyone saw coming. >> do you acknowledge it was an intelligence failure? >> will have plenty of time, the israelis will have plenty of time to look into that. >> other u.s. officials view it as a stunning and astounding intelligence failure there, and that is the terrorism, the timing and this debate over the intelligence. why is this happening now? and how did we get here? >> the answers matter both for an understanding in what is an enduring and complex conflict, and also what comes next. the first and consequential cause is the most obvious, the terrorist violence by hamas. there's no major factual debate about this. hamas has operated as a terrorist group targeting civilians, and specifically israeli civilians for decades. the united states designated it a foreign terrorist organization over 25 years ago in october 1997. and so to start with basic context on something that we're all probably going to be living with here for a while as this war grinds on, that record of hamas's terrorism runs longer than terror groups that may sound more familiar to some americans. hamas's record longer than say when al qaeda or isis were designated, terrorist organizations by the united states. hamas has staged ambushes across many decades, suicide bombings, attacks on civilians riding buses. deadly attacks where the group publicly claims responsibility. again, no factual debate about what they do, and who they target. they will publicly proclaim after the fact that they have attacked buses with civilians and children on it. the group has kidnapped and killed israeli civilians as well as soldiers. >> a new wave of violence, then the apparent capture of an israeli military officer. >> militants used one of those tunnels to launch a surprise attack, killing two israeli soldiers. >> a terrorist came out with a suicide belt, blew himself up, killed two. >> it is a very long record that is very well known in the region. so if you follow this conflict or this region, you know about it. if you're paying more attention now that we have this war crisis, well, this has been known. the timing was the surprise but the measures are not. that is the background for some of the new reporting we're seeing today. take the american publication, the atlantic, reporting on the new hamas mass kidnappings, rapes and torture by those terrorists against israeli civilians. human rights groups collecting evidence for war crimes investigations. some of the images and videos are broadcast in context with excerpts and warnings, and others are so extreme that there are limits to what we air at least on american television. that same artle reporting on hamas kidnapping children, elderly, with apparent sexual assaultsumend videos showing aleeding into her shorts being forced out of a d another one stripped down to r underwear, lying face down in a truck, hamas gunmen sit on her body, and by standers spit on it, end quote. again, this is material that's been documented. some of it is of a nature that we are not broadcasting the video excerpts. these are accounts and evidence of what hamas does to civilians. what it has been doing for some time. hamas took control of gaza after it did win elections in 2006, and that's the last time those kind of elections have been held, and there are palestinians who support the group but it is very divisive, explicitly for its use of violence, and civilian targeted terrorism. so for many, hamas is more associated with forded elections and a peace process than engaging in them, and that brings us to another factor in our special report for you right now, as we try to understand the facts of this conflict. and a reminder that, in addition to the terrible suffering of people on both sides of this war right now, there are major external factors at play, with foreign actors who oppose the very steps to normalization or peace that could benefit both sides in this region. and that brings us to another factor tonight. iran. the extreme leadership of iran has been quite alarmed by the possible breakthrough in the region, that it was actually backed by the united states and the biden administration, a potential deal to pursue peace and normalization between saudi arabia. now, that could be a big deal. president biden just met with netanyahu, the israeli leader on the sidelines of the u.n. meeting. biden also shook hands with saudi arabia's de facto leader, mohammed bin salmon in september. there's unusually positive signals from both leaders about what could be, and again if you're not following the region closely, what you might not have heard as much about is a precursor of what we're going through, the kind of diplomatic breakthrough that could dees ka -- deescalate tensions and benefits saudi people. >> i believe we're at the cusp of an even more dramatic breakthrough, an historic peace between israel and saudi arabia. >> we hope it will ease the life of palestinians and middle east. >> now, this is a big deal over there. those words from both leaders signaling at least the prospect of that historic breakthrough. but for iran, well, that posed a threat. and let me tell you exactly what they view it as. first, the basic possibility of iran's opponents uniting to some degree. and second, a potentially positive outcome in this ongoing middle east conflict where you have the religious, kind of religious themed backing from the saudis, which undercuts iran's claims and efforts to exploit a kind of endless religious israeli palestinian conflict. in other words, iran has leadership that thinks what's good for potential peace over there is bad for them. iran viewed a saudi israeli normalization deal as a transformative event, taking the religious con tent out the arab israeli conflict, by having iran, the custodian of the two holy mosques and accord with the nation state of the jewish people. that's how it was just explained by long time diplomat dennis ross. you don't have to be well versed in all of this to understand the basic point that the saudis would bring a potential religious credibility to a peace process to lower the temperature. and dennis ross, who i'm quoting is one of the most respected american diplomats in mideast policy. in his newks h goes on to opposed scares them because if you had that kind of deal with israel, these companies are essf economically, iran is faing, so iran and hamas, are ront by what could make them lag farther behind. ross believes iran planned this attack. and iran sa long time backe terrorism by nonstate actors, an there are some sources suggesting an iranian role in these attacks. others are denying that, the united states for its part today is publicly sayg it hasn't seen that kind of evidence yet, but i can tell you iran does publicly support these horrific hamas attacks you have been seeing on your screen. an is on record about that. it's on board with the terrorism. the question is only how operational was its involvement. so that hamas terrorism is derailing any saudi/israeli peace deal. the region is a total war zone. we heard from guests tonight talking about how things will get a lot worse before they ever get better. nobody is running to peace tables right now. nearby countries are going to be assessing how to engage or avoid this war, not calibrating a saudi peace deal with netanyahu. and so in a very real sense tonight if you're trying to make sense of this, hamas is achieving that objective, scuttling that kind of progress. and iran's goal, at these horrific costs. another well known factor as we make sense of this is a total break down of israeli palestinian relations and that runs back for some time. the netanyahu administration's leadership has control of gaza and the west bank, which the u.n. considers occupied territory. the failure of both sides to reach a durable peace deal has resulted in tremendous hardship. that is well known and documented. the standoff worse than periods from what you had elected leaders, at least willing to meet about possible peace deals on both sides of this conflict. here's something for americans to also keep in mind, just as u.s. policy shifts, depending on who is president, israel's positions as a democracy have changed a lot under netanyahu being in charge. in contrast to past israeli leaders, he generally opposes a peace process for a two-state solution. majority of people in gaza live under the poverty line. none justifies terrorism under basic ethics or international law. this certainly endures as a deep humanitarian problem and a wider dilemma for what a modern israel wants to do about governing these areas. inside israel, netanyahu's hard line politics and attacks on judicial independence have sparked major protests, resistance, a concern across the center and the left that experts say goes way any past typical divisions there. some israeli thinkers warn it's become the greatest existential threat to israel by having a democracy with a real judiciary. indeed, long before these attacks, these horrific terror attacks this weekend, there were civil servants and reservists in israel objecting to netanyahu's hard line efforts. some military experts argue that the totally impact of what he has been doing in the country would weaken its standings and defenses. there's no public sign netanyahu took those concerns seriously at the time. today, well, you have growing concern here within israel that it's facing a devastating surprise attack and death toll which rivals any of the many modern terror attacks it has sustained and frankly, some of the past attacks launched by entire countries. military experts are putting e iernal tensions in explicitly security-oriented terms. one u.s. veteran concludes hamas view the deep political divisions inside israel as a quote, opportunity to strike. and other adversaries view israel as never more divided or weaker than it is right now under netanyahu's leadership. that's the cold view of some top experts. i walked through all of this with you because beyond the horrific visuals and the statistics and the data and death toll that we as a news network will continue to cover, all of this is vital to actually getting an understanding of what's happening. there are no easy automatic reactions to draw from these realities, i don't think. to be clear, the experts i just quoted, they're not suggesting that foreign terrorists should be able to veto israel's internal government policies, even if some of those policies look bad in their view, and serious people aren't suggesting the saudi peace deal should just be abandoned because terrorists attacked. but the long road to this terrorism and now this war, which is a big deal for all the people involved and the region and the united states and very open questions about whether this spills into a multicountry or multistate actor war, this is all quite serious for extremely complicated. and yet at this time, whether you turn on the media or internet or social media, you will find many people seizing on ignorance and simplistic narratives for their own separate agendas. that's unlikely to fade as things get worse. everyone we've talked to from our independent reporters to experts in the region expect this war today to get far worse before anything gets better. so no easy answers. but this is certainly a time to make sure we are knowledgeable about the full history with facts and precision, especially for the sometimes shrinks share of the world community that is trying to maintain a commitment to democracy, law, and human rights. this is our breakdown for you tonight and we have a very special guest to get into where we go from here after the break. . detect this: living with hiv, i learned i can stay undetectable with fewer medicines. that's why i switched to dovato. dovato is a complete hiv treatment for some adults. no other complete hiv pill uses fewer 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to start and begin with an incredible human tragedy. the goal of this was murder. it was shock and horror, and it was to destabilize and to affect politics, not only inside israel but around the region. i think, i really appreciate you laying through some of the factors there. as far as inside israel itself, of course this is a deep and devastating blow to the israeli people. also to the israeli government, there will be there already are, and it is not weighted, you see some internal criticism, understandably directed at prime minister netanyahu. some of his critics have said that he's to blame. you will hear a lot more come out in recently days. we still don't know so much. it's very important to emphasize that. we still don't know very much about, you know, those age old questions about what, you know, did the government know and what did it know it. there will be reports. some of them will be accurate. some of them will not be accurate. eventually the truth will come out, of course, and that's very important for israel's security to understand how it could have been caught so flat footed, an area of their own country, their own borders that they are surveilling intensively to have had an operation of this scale and complexity planned and carried out without any real warning to israel is a major failure. so that's number one. it will have political impacts. there's already discussion about the possibility of a government of national unity. we'll see if that happens or not but that would be a big change. number three, remember that prime minister netanyahu has always had this idea and sort of an image of someone who is a national security first type leader of israel, his promise of security for israel was one of the things that has powered his extraordinarily long tenure on the israeli political scene, it's urgent and imperative for him for his own political sake as well as for the sake of the country to restore the deterrent. that's what people are using the phrase. and i do think it cuts right at the heart of who netanyahu has been as a public figure if he is no longer seen as someone who focuses on israel's security. and so that's very important, as far as the international politics of it, you raise very importantly the prospects, what is this going to do to a potential saudi israel deal. this has been one of the pillars of the biden administration's foreign policy is to try to make that deal happen. >> let me jump in and get you on that specifically to remind folks what we're talking about there is the rarity, the absolutely historically unusual signals, shall we say of saudi arabia with all of its problems, and netanyahu with problems you just reminded us of, and president biden saying there could be a path here, a path that would benefit people in three or more countries, including, to none other than the crown prince, the people in the territories, the palestinian people, and it is the hamas violence and murder and terrorism that is trying to hijack what rarely, again, it didn't reach the full deal, rarely would be the signals of something positive, something better. it's a tragedy because nobody seems to suggest there's coming back from that in the short term. a final word from you tonight, you have been in more than one segment, on what it is the world community and the foreign policy community says when the terrorism is in the short run tragically effective. >> well, that's right. i think, you know, you're seeing a lot of unity from the united states. it just released a joint statement with leaders of france and britain. you know, and germany. people are staying in solidarity with israel, this is an outrage, this is a horror but how long is that unity going to last when we see the retaliation and the response by israel. i think we're all bracing for what could be just a really really rocky time ahead in terms of the world as it looks at the middle east once again. >> yeah. susan glasser on the substance as 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and the camp david accords. then in 1987, there was the palestinian uprising or often in gaza and the west bank, which the u.n. considers occupied. hamas was also formed that year. we reported tonight on how shortly after it was formed and began its attacks, it was designated a terrorist organization. there was later another effort at a true peace process in the 1993 oslo accords, the back story, the troubled history of nation state peace that has not prevented nonstate actors like hamas and hezbollah from continuing terrorism in the region. tonight we look back briefly at how those steps towards a state by state peace process did give some hope for some time. back then, it was mediated by president clinton. >> today, pay tribute to the leaders who had the courage to lead their people toward peace. >> we shall offer you our help in making gaza prosper and jericho blossom again. >> we will be laying the last brick in the et face of peace. >> hopeful words, genuinely meant. it was not the last brick. it is important to note for history there were many internal divisions, the divisions within different factions representing the palestinian community continued so even as those leaders some of whom had long standing relationships fought to finally end the fighting and reach that peace, it was hamas at the time which opposed that deal. and continued to wage attacks against israel, as mentioned, to prevent any peace process. in 2006, hamas then won palestinian elections in gaza. and they have had control, meaningful control over much of that territory. during the obama years, the united states again tried with this peace process, but those efforts did not even get as far. >> what we at least wanted to do, understanding that the two parties wouldn't actually arrive at a final status agreement, is to preserve the possibility of the two-state solution. it was important for us to send a signal, a wake-up call that this moment may be passing. >> that moment did indeed certainly pass. and while, again, it is complicated, the history of this conflict has involved some nation states making some peace agreements, but it has never meaningfully had a group like hamas now responsible for some of the worst terror this region has seen in such a long time, a group like hamas ever doing anything to get to the bargaining table. we're joined now by steven cook, a senior fellow for middle east and africa studies at the council on foreign relations, the author of several books. here at the end our hour of this difficult war coverage, we turn to the history of the peace process, not one of total failure, not one absent certain state steps but one that looks far in the rear view mirror tonight, your thoughts. >> well, there have been some extraordinarily important steps over the last 50 years. as you mentioned in your lead-in, the 1979 peace treaty between egypt and israel, which seemed to forever make an interstate war in the region something of the past. you had the 1993 declaration of principles, the famous handshake on the lawn that portended peace between israelis and palestinians finally. by 1999, they were supposed to be an independent palestinian state living side by side with israel, of course, forces conspired against that, including hamas, which in the mid-1990s perpetrated a series of horrific suicide bombings on buses across israeli cities, and then of course you have the 1994 israel/jordan agreement. there are all kinds of agreements, and of course more recently, the abraham accords, but none of this have really addressed the core problem between israelis and palestinians, and you do have radicals and extremists like hamas who have sought to undermine it, and now we're seeing kind of the most horrific ways. the idea that there would be peace between israelis and palestinians or it could be in the near future seems extremely farfetched given the events of this past weekend. >> and the tough question, there may not be one simple answer to it, but when we show some palestinian leaders making the progress, important to note in the past, but hamas operating the way it does today, what portion of the actual residence, the community there, do they roughly speak for? >> well, it's very very hard ar attacking the gaza strip, hamas' popularity tends to spike, but when it comes to governing the gaza strip and the way hamas has imposed its will on the people there, support tends to drain away from it. there is a view that hamas taking up arms against the israeli state is legitimate resistance. that of course, the carnage of this weekend, the targeting of civilians belies the idea of legitimate resistance to an israeli occupation that has dispossessed palestinians, has killed palestinians, has chewed up land that would otherwise be for palestinians. but hamas does not represent the will of most palestinians. but the palestinians themselves are deeply skeptical that the israeli government will take the steps necessary to finally put this conflict to an end. >> just a glimmer, a view of some of this, but the history does matter. se steven cook, thank you for joining us. when we return, we look at one of the targeted civilian sites, a music festival where many people including young people were gathered, celebrating into the night, until the terrorism began. stay with us. ultimate endless se with a limited time flavor drop. new crispy dragon shrimp. one of seven endless choices. right now, only at red lobster. welcome to fun dining. 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just clean the pile, ron. okay. this too. that was easy. when stains and odors pile up, it's got to be tide. . everybody was shocked. they were bleeded. and she was talking to me and saying mommy, help us. we don't know what to do. and i'm on the phone with her. and i'm saying, we love you. it's okay. we're trying to find a way to take you out of there. we're sending people. >> one new account there from an israeli mother who is recounting the last moment she says she spoke to her daughter, who has gone missing. she was there present after hamas opened gunfire at this music festival held in israel in a location near gaza on saturday. i mentioned throughout the broadcast how we're covering this, and now i issue one of our warnings. some of the factual material that we have, the imagery we have selected to share with you, is horrific and disturbing. we are now going to show some of it from that attack. for example, a dashcam video that shows some of the harrowing moments as the gunmen seen here were storming the festival and taking hostages. also, rampantly murdering, about 260 dead there. you can see some of this video. another video shows a couple as they were basically physically removed and taken hostage. some who were able to get away or survive have described the harrowing massacre. >> seriously, really living hell. never seen something like this. i have been in two wars in my life. never seen anything like this. bodies all over the place. slaughter. they didn't care if you were a man or woman, old or young. they kill us, murder us. what they did has never been forgiven. >> that account like many on video, some from interviews, are from a population in israel that largely has military service. when individuals say it's the worst thing they have ever seen or a carnage or threat unlike anything they have been through, many have two or more years of service under their belt. the individual there saying i have never seen anything like this. i have been in two wars in my life and never seen anything like this. full slaughter. they didn't care if you were a man or woman. the drone footage here is from first responders. it shows some of the aftermath of the attack. obviously, became a scene of carnage and murder. dozens of mangled cars along the roads where some tried to flee or get to cars. a doctor who responded on the scene describes the immediate aftermath. >> literally, the words i can tell you is like literally carnage and people laying all around, murdered and executed. it was something that was very, very hard to see. >> that doctor, again, saying it was hard to even witness it, as someone who has also experience with the words used there, slaughter, carnage. there are family members of some israelis who say they have confirmed information to suggest they believe their relatives are now being held hostage inside gaza. that includes sometimes phone tracking which we know people can depending on how they set their phones can see where someone's phone is or their movements. they have also, some of them, tracked images online. some we have selectively shown in our news coverage. some we have chosen not to, but family members in israel saying they have seen those pictures online and confirm what they believe are their family members being held hostage. final update tonight. the white house has just announced president biden will give public remarks tomorrow, 1:00 p.m. eastern on the state of the war and the u.s. response. he'll speak from the white house. msnbc will be covering that tomorrow, as our war coverage also continues tonight. thanks for joining us. the special coverage continues next with joy reid. we begin tonight with the breaking coverage of the war in israel. and the fighting that has gripped the world for the past 72 hours. israel has declared all-out war on hamas after the group launched a devastating surprise attackm

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