Literally, perish the thought, but there is no trump the leader of the republican party, who is busy, as you just heard, endorsing candidates for House Speaker after the congressional wing of the republican conference that is in thrall to him through Kevin Mccarthy out, then there is defendant trump, whose last week has been going a little differently than party leader trump. The first guy, the trump who is the leader the publican party, apparently wants Ohio Republican congressman jim jordan to leave lead the House Of Representatives. After floating the possibility that donald trump himself could become the speaker, donald trump wrote on his Social Media Platform of jim jordan, quote, he will be a great speaker of the house, and has my complete and total indoor cement. Usually dont trump doesnt believe himself sometimes, which is why he does just endorsed someone. He says they have complete and utter endorsement. Jim jordan is one of two House Republicans running actively to replace the ousted speaker Kevin Mccarthy. He is a fierce trump loyalist in a chamber full of republicans who are willing to do the bidding of a criminally indicted former president. Jim jordan is currently leading the effort to impeach Donald Trumps likely opponent in 2024, President Biden. Making him a Material Witness in three days before trump support. Jim jordan said this. The ultimate day of significance is january 6th. This is how the process works. The ultimate arbiter here, the ultimate check and balance, is the United States congress, and when something is done in an unconstitutional fashion, which happen in several of the states, we had a duty to step forward and have this debate and have this vote on the 6th of january. Thats not exactly how it turned up. Here is what the Ranking Member of the january Six Committee, liz cheney, said about jim jordans role on january 6th. Jim jordan, if you think about the extent to which people have now said, well, it was speaker pelosis fault that Donald Trumps not invaded the capital, the security wasnt sufficient enough. The person who knew, there are probably more than just jim, but there are a handful of people of which he was the leader, who knew what donald trump had planned. Now somebody needs to ask jim jordan, why didnt you report to the Capitol Police what you knew donald trump had planned . You are in those meetings at the white house. According to the former republican speaker of the house and Fellow Ohioan john boehner, jim jordan is a political terrorist. You call some of these members political terrorists. Oh, yeah. Jim jordan especially. My colleague from ohio. [laughter] i just never saw a guy who spent more time tearing things apart never building anything. Never putting anything together. So can and should apolitical terrorist lead the House Of Representatives . Can and should someone who has failed to comply with congressional subpoena from the jerry Six Committee leave the House Of Representatives . Every publicans and washington shoes jim jordan as their speaker, they would, in fact, once again, prove themselves to be the antidemocracy party, which is exactly what party leader trump wants. Listen to more about what liz cheney said earlier this week. And if the republicans decide jim jordan should be the speaker of the house, there were no longer be any possible way to argue that a group of elected republicans could be counted on to defend the constitution. Now, republicans could be making that choice next week white house scheduled return from recess. So lets take a look at this guy here, defendant trump. Today the Appellate Division of the new York Supreme Court rejected his request for a stay in new York Attorney general Letitia Jamess civil fraud trial. The court, however, did agree to temporarily pause the cancellation of his Business Certificates. The decision effectively halts what trumps attorneys described is a, quote, corporate death sentence, while the trial continues. In court today jeffrey mcconney, the controller for the Trump Organization, testified about how he was instructed by eric trump to include the value of seven nonexistent mansions when calculating the value of trump s Seven Springs property in westchester, new york. In a dramatic moment at the end of these proceedings, mcconney also testified that this man, a long Trump Organization cfo, allan weisselberg, asked him to help carry out tax fraud. Mcconney told the court he agreed to help out weisselberg because he was afraid he would lose his job if he didnt. When the court resumes on tuesday, Allen Weisselberg will take the stand, and special counsel jack smiths 2020 elections case against donald trump. Judge Tanya Chung Chutkan and granted extension to grand prix Trial Motions to the case in the slightly longer extension to file evidentiary motions in the case. And in the maralago documents case, this woman, judge Aileen Cannon, as effectively paused all activity in the case while she considers a request from trump for a threemonth extension on the deadlines for filings relating to the handling of the classified material that is at the center of that case. Defendant trumps attorneys have asked for a threemonth extension to review the voluminous amount of classified material in the case, and were gonna see if Donald Trumps favorite judge, as he calls, her gives him that extension. A lot to get to here. Joining us now is democratic congressman Eric Swalwell of california, he was an Impeachment Manager in the second Impeachment Trial of president donald trump, hes a plaintive in the civil suit against donald trump for his role in inciting the january 6th attack on the capitol. Also with us, normal in, steelmakers scholar at the institute, enjoys fans, professor at the university of alabama, school of law. She is an msnbc legal analyst. Thanks to all three of you for being here tonight. A lot to get to. Congressman swalwell, well get to you first because a lot of what is happening is happening in congress, and a lot of what is happening in congress is highly influenced by donald trump. He is, for all intents and purposes, the leader of the chaos agents who got rid of Kevin Mccarthy are now about to someone new next week. Tell me where your thinking is on this. Congress right now, run by republicans, is a law firm. It insurrection ella lp. It has just one client, and a client is donald trump. At the expense of bringing down the cost of gas and groceries, bringing down the cost of health care, bringing down the Student Loan Burden that millions of americans have, they fight every day for this guy. And now they have a vacancy in the speaker position, and he is going to call the shots. The reason he likes jim jordan s because jim jordan leads that law firm. Jim jordan would be a lawless speaker. He has 500 days plus into defying his own congressional subpoena for what he saw on january 6th. So of course donald trump wants that. A look at my republican colleagues, ali, and i see crabs in a bucket. These guys are just trying to pull us all in to the chaos that they all crave, and democrats continue to show unity, unity to lift the debt ceiling, to keep the government open, to make sure we keep ukraine in the fight, and were going to stay united, all the way through, because were working for working people, and we will let them continue to be chaotic, and we will get the keys to Government Back in 13 months. Joyce, the reason this conversation is important in the context in which were having right now, is that donald trump has had a pretty good week as far as congress goes. He, his influence has proved disproportionate to his influence elsewhere. Not working as well for him on the legal front. He is team his claimed a remarkable victory in new york with the staying of the dissolution of his company, but thats not really the full story. Its not, and i guess if by claiming a great victory you mean what was entirely predictable happening, and then while this is a great victory. But it was always in the cards that there would be a stay in the revocation of the Business Certificates and the dissolution of Trump Organization until the case was over and there could be a full appellate process. One of the ways that we knew that this was in the offing, in that the judge in the trials, said it was in the, offing was that yesterday with very little fanfare he uploaded our order that prohibited the trump defendant from moving around or dissolving or transferring any of their corporate assets without getting advance permission from the court and from the special Monitor Of Retired federal judge, who has been appointed to oversee things. So this was always in the ordinary course of business, and not much of a victory. Congressman, i want to ask you about something that hook keen jeffries the minority leader has said in an oped in the washington post. He said the rules of the house should reflect the inescapable reality that republicans are lighted emigrated support to do the basic worth of governing. A small band of extremists should not be capable of obstructing that cooperation, reform the highly partisan house rules that were adopted at the beginning of this congress, and join us in finding Common Ground for the people. Now thats not all that revolutionary. Many democracies in the world generally speaking parliamentary democracies have a system like this, where youve got to make a deal with folks on the other side. You keep a few things off the trade would be unpalatable for them. You move forward with a few things. Tell me about the complexity or possibility of what Hakeem Jeffries was talking about. What i read in the oped is what i see from jeffries every day when he leads the caucus which is hey guys, where the coalition of the willing, the working, theyre doing, if you want to put down your k offs and come join team competence, well do that with you. So we stand ready because Government Funding is going to run out in about 38 days, and so troops and cops, border agents, air traffic controllers, theyre all going to see their paychecks at risk. And so again, we just stand ready, united. Right now, i talk to my constituents, they dont give a rip about team blue versus team red. They just want to know, are you good to have give me Breathing Room so that my paycheck goes farther. If you shut down the government, that doesnt happen. If ukraines not in the fight, we could be drawn into this conflict. And so we stand ready to be Coalition Partners for getting things done. Joyce vance, lets ask about Aileen Cannon and florida. This has been an issue in the maralago discussions since the beginning. Then trumps team have said that they need, i dont know, im making it, up but two years to go through all the documentation. There was an argument that the prosecutors have made that says, actually, you had all these documents. A number of them are in contention and will be able to manage this but youre gonna have to do in a secure location, and once again, because of, that they wanted more time. Where are we in that case with respect to needing more time . Its possible that there is a legitimate argument here that they need some more time. The government has said that substantially all discovery will be turned over by today. But there are issues involved in locations where classified documents can be viewed. And i might be possible that they need, maybe, an extra few weeks to get that done. There are lawyers for a defendant in a criminal case and they have obligations to do things in an appropriate timeline. The problem that i see here, though, is that the judge has had a willingness to shut the entire thing down to give them extra time to sort these issues out. And if she grants trump this additional three months that hes asking for right now, thats not necessarily the end of it. They could look at discovery and come back and say judge, we need more time. And that becomes a neverending game. They have already asked that the trial date be moved until after the election. I think thats a harbinger of where we are headed with. This i was going to, say that seems to be where all of this is headed. Congressman swalwell, you talked about the fact that theres another schedule shut down for November 17th if we dont get out of the mess that we are in, the catharine. But Something Else donald trump posted about this week, first he suggested that there should be, no one should be elected speaker unless they agreed to not fund ukraine any further. Then he sort of amended that little bit and said that unless we fund ukraine and exactly the same level europes funding ukraine, i dont really understand what he means by that, because america has taken quite a lead in funding in ukraine. But the bottom line, is he saying the quiet part out loud. For all those people who have always wondered about donald trump and his propensity to defend Vladimir Putin in a illegal war, hes coming out in telling republicans. The thing that used to be completely bipartisan, support for ukraine against an adversary, is not necessarily so. What is so maddening is that for my republican clogs, colleagues, i was raised by two republicans, he would never see on television on this channel, theyd have to go somewhere else to see, me is that we would win the cold war and we did. And so now the republican mantra is, okay, trump likes putin, putin likes, trump so that means we have to like putin. But im telling you, right now china is watching, and you cannot be soft on russia and tough on china. And so there is no reason the taiwans should believe that we would be behind them and have their back if were gonna walk away from ukraine. If you walk away from ukraine, youre gonna see europe also walk away from ukraine, and europe is also going to have no interest in helping us at this and he will in america to defend taiwan. So this is all connected. Its our freedom and our values, but its also our work. In so far republicans who want to do this and go all in with donald trump, im not going to believe you any longer when you tell me that youre tough on china. Thanks to both of you for joining us, and thanks, i think we had a technical problem with norm, but there will be more opportunities to chat with norm. Eric swalwell and joyce vance, thank you. Still ahead, Banned Books Week here in america. We know banning books is a growing problem. New reporting shows that theres been a 33 increase in the number of banned books in schools compared to this time last year. Lavar burton is joining me tonight to tell us why we should all be fighting the banning of books, and better yet, reading the very books that they would have your void. But up next, a sinister an overlooked story out of franklin, tennessee. Nearly a dozen White Supremacists turned up at a farm for mayoral candidates. They escorted one of those maga candidates, gabriel hansen, and her husband, into the event. And no surprise, Gabrielle Hanson did not condemn the White Supremacists. Stay with us. Full story, next. I have moderate to severe crohns disease. Now, theres skyrizi. Things are looking up ive got Symptom Relief Control of my crohns means everything to me. Control is everything to me. Feel significant Symptom Relief with skyrizi, including less abdominal pain and fewer Bowel Movements at 4 weeks. Skyrizi is the first and only il23 inhibitor for crohns that can deliver both clinical remission and endoscopic improvement. 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