further, and then, the power of young voices and speaking out. two activists arrive to discuss the importance of participating in our democracy at any age. the 11th hour, just getting underway on this thursday night. good evening. once again i'm stephanie ruhle, live at msnbc headquarters, here in new york city. we begin this evening with new reporting about former president trump and the way he dealt with sensitive information shortly after he left office. the new york times has new reporting that trump shared apparently classified information about american nuclear submarines with an australian businessman who ppened to be at my mar-a-lago. that's according to people familiar with the matter. it comes after the former president's legal team asked the judge in a classified documents case to postpone that trial until after the election. trump's lawyers are scrambling to delay or throw out completely at least three other cases against him. if legal team is filed motions to dismiss the new york hush money case and the washington d. c. election interference case. the cover page for the d. c. motion says the former president is arguing for presidential immunity. but for facts sake, and at this point a night to get $1 every time i see that, i would be really rich. presidents of the united states do not get immunity for trying to overturn an election. trump's lawyers know. that you know who else does? mitch mcconnell. he basically said so after trump's second impeachment. watch this. >> president trump is still liable for everything he did while he was in office. as an ordinary citizen. unless the statute of limitations is run, still liable for everything he did while he was in office. didn't get away with anything, yet. yet. we have a criminal justice system in this country. we have civil litigation. and former presidents are not immune from being accountable by either one. >> meanwhile, it was day four of donald trump's new york civil fraud trial, the trump organization executive testified under oath that the donald trump himself had the final sign off on financial documents, one statement in evidence included a handwritten note that said, quote, the j t to get final review. that is donald john trump. trump's legal team is expected to file for a stay pending appeal in that case tomorrow morning. and finally, the judge in georgia's rico case has declined to dismiss the charges against sydney powell. this as d. a. fani willis is seeking the testimony for six out of state witnesses in the upcoming trial of powell and chesebro. >> you know, every time we think about this, case i always think about how big and sprawling it is and what it means here. i think there are good aspects and bad cases aspects, as everything including out of state conduct is ascribed to everyone. two months especially even these witnesses who will talk about arizona and pennsylvania as well as georgia, she wants that. >> did you follow all that? in short, he is trying to throw a delay or cancel everything against him and the d. a.'s are basically just saying, i'd like more witnesses, and more witnesses, and more witnesses. and their judges haven't given him anything that he wants, yet, and without let's get smarter with our lead off panel, can baker here, chief white house correspondent for the new york times, luke broadwater, pulitzer prize-winning congressional reporter, also the times, and former new york prosecutor and civil rights attorney charles coleman, joins me here at 30 rock. peter, i turn to you first, because it's a rare paper at the new york times, with this new reporting on trump sharing apparently classified information about nuclear submarines. tell us what we need to know. >> right, that's exactly. right so anthony plaza, australian businessman who joined mar-a-lago, i think in 2017, cultivated president trump like a lot of people did in that area that join mar-a-lago in the reporting we have, my colleagues, have is that at some point soon after he left, soon after president trump left office, then former president trump of course, shared some information, we don't exactly what, about with this australian businessman and he is listed among 80 different possible witnesses, we are told, the jack smith, special counsel could call as part of his classified documents case. these are not necessarily really directly to the documents that he took but it would show an inclination on the part of the former president to feel cavalierly with the nations secrets and i don't know if he will be called in trial but i think it's though it goes to a pattern of conduct by donald trump even after he left office. >> charles, the times is also reporting that jack smith's team learned about trump sharing the secrets. as a gun impact when he's? doing >> right now i don't think it's gonna have a major impact. the reason for that is, speaking as a former prosecutor, what you're talking about here is one, person if the reporting is what we know it to be right now, who overheard or had a conversation with donald trump where he allegedly said something to him about nuclear secrets, and the problem with that is that it's not necessarily a tremendously strong case without any other physical evidence. remember, donald trump also was allegedly waving around confidential information in front of pentagon officials as well as other reporters, and jack smith doesn't do anything about that. from a legal perspective, unless he's going to charge him with relaying confidential secrets that's the only charge that i could even see this being admissible, most of everything that we are hearing wouldn't even be admissible because of hearsay and the hearsay rule and how trial evidence works and so you have a narrow lane with respect to the charge that can be brought, which is relaying, and even to establish that you only have one witness and i don't necessarily mean absent any other tangible or physical evidence jack smith is gonna go forward. >> take us to the hill, look. with all the chaos unfolding in congress right now, is donald trump going to get the big public defense he normally gets from congressional republicans, or do they have other business to attend to? >> yeah, they are mired in their own eternal chaos and fighting right now. that said, i am sure that they will rush to defend donald trump at any turning if asked, and if pressed to do so. in other cases, where prosecutors have taken actions against donald trump, jim jordan, judiciary chair sent letters to those prosecutors has, demanded documents. and he has done the same with merrick garland, with jack smith, you can see him potentially taking some more actions against in the future, trying to intervene on behalf of donald trump, when he's got his own matter at hand, with the speaker himself. >> it also gets harder and harder to make that argument, well, donald trump is really just sentimental, he likes to keep these things for mementos, he's not. if you follow the last 77 years of his, life he is a transactional guy. and when you find something of value he holds on to it and tries to extract that value and a later date. that is his jam. his other jam, charles, is running the clock. that is his go to. and he is successfully doing so. >> he is. >> but now he is moving to delay or dismiss for cases against him, i mean four cases, are you kidding me? >> no. and i said early on, we are going to get, and we are getting when i predicted, which was an up close front row of view of how the legal system can work, and regional exhaust every legal move or removed or they can to slow things down. with respect to the civil trial in new york, the timing of this new motion is an interesting one, primarily because you're in the middle of a trial in it's not unusual for someone who loses summary judgment to appeal that judgment. i understand that the defense team was looking to do, some of the argument that they're likely going to make is the bike carrying this out, by canceling business licenses by granting the relief that the court ordered is part of the summary judgment decision, these things are irreversible or doing irreparable harm with extreme prejudice to donald trump. but secretly what they would like to do is delay the trial. that's also going to be the subtext to what the motion says, and to anticipate they will file tomorrow. i don't believe this is going to be successful, but, again, it's an interesting maneuver, and we're going to continue to see different maneuvers and motions to dismiss as we go along, for any reason or for any little thing, unless or until the attorneys who are following these motions begin to get sanctioned more and more by the judges who they're filing in front. of >> let's talk about a different maneuver, peter, because donald trump has been trying to rely on presidential immunity. he's been saying it for years. it is not going to fly in court and he knows that. is he doing it for the court of public opinion? because the average person might think, yeah, maybe a president allowed to do that because in many instances presidents have different rules than you and me. >> yeah. look, charles would know this, pedal better i think the legal term is throw these beget against the wall, or throw everything a every possible, sand in the gears we possibly can, every possible motion you can think, of disqualify the judge, delay the trial, find some way to move from one core to another, find a different venue, this missed it on the basis of -- anything they can argue they're gonna try to argue, in part because it does delay the ultimate reckoning. but there is a question here that hasn't really been fully answered by the courts, which is, what is the extent of presidential immunity? the justice department has said a couple of different men memos, one during the clinton administration, when they're in office presidents cannot be charged with a crime. they do not proposed to say that they can be charged with a crime after they leave office. but there's obviously an understanding, at least on a civil society, you can't sue a president for their official actions. what he's trying to say here is the trying to overturn an election he lost, and that he had been told that he had lost, and hold on to power, even though he had lost, constitutes an official action, and that's a really different way of looking at things so we'll see what the courts say about it. i'm not a legal expert, but it does begin to draw lines that will be important, even beyond donald trump, to say what are the rules when it comes to a president and former trans president, where can they be held accountable, and where do they have, in fact, some sort of immunity from prosecution or civil liability? >> all right, charles, let's go back town to day four of donald trump's civil fraud trial. how bad was it for him that there's a handwritten note on a financial document that says let's get final sign off from donald john trump, jt. how can you possibly claim ignorance when they're all going, we have to talk to the boss? a company with, what, 20 people? this wasn't a giant corporation. the says he has to get final say. >> on a scale of manageable to not that bad, it's terrible. i say that because it undercuts the entire legal theory that his defense team has been trying to advance. >> he didn't know, the accountants did it! >> the notion of ignorance, particularly because you're in front of a of judge, this is a bench trial. we're not talking about jurors who can in some cases been manipulated by a lawyer who they like, the flash -- >> should've known better. >> they're not familiar with these. things you're talking to a judge and the judge is going to not employee the law but also common sense. when you're talking about what this note says in the fact that it required on trump's approval, he no longer has the ground to say i didn't know what was going on in plead ignorance, even though that is not a real viable defense under the law. >> luke, the republican front runner is a defendant in multiple cases. republicans in congress are tearing themselves apart and have no speaker. the staffers you talked to every day on the hill, what's the vibe right now? >> really, depressed. people are beside themselves. a band of a few far-right republicans cause compete chaos in the house. they think their party looks like it can't govern. moderate voters are going to leave them in droves, and meanwhile the party is talking about putting donald trump in a speaker and changing the rules so they can allow people charged with felonies to become speaker and all kinds of crazy things. so yeah, there's a lot of the staffers really depressed right now. they feel like the party has gone off the tracks. they're trying to get it back on track. it's very tough time for a lot of the staffers on the hill, that's for sure. >> all right, peter, new topic. recent polling finds the democrats handling of immigration is at an all-time low. but here's the thing. immigration and what is happening at the border as been a problem for a long long time. is this just a situation where congress does nothing, so whatever president is in the oval office is going to get blamed for what's happening at the border? >> well, look, you're right, it has been a problem for a long time and it has been leveled multiple presidents going back years and years. it does seem that there are numbers coming out of the border right now that are scalise has problems with his the coup, and someone else who particularly bad and the look doesn't seem competent for the particularly bad for president job. >> i can't stop laughing, biden. jason. he saw him today doing he has problems with his own something that none of us might personality. that's stephanie ruhle, she has have expected just a little problems with own personality. while ago, which is to say and all seriousness, though, we're gonna continue to build mark, do you see any solution some of the wall that president here? trump wants to build. do you see there he keem he says he doesn't want to do, jeffries 80, utterly dant raised at the other night, that he doesn't think it's power sharing, not jeffrey effective, because congress specifically, but do you see any solution? appropriated the money and >> i think it would be a long because it wouldn't redirect way to get to something the money that he has no remotely like that. choices president but to but the problem that is pretty continue to build a wall, but clear here is that you have 18 that's gonna raise all sorts of questions and all sorts of republicans who were elected in conversations. biden districts. we already hear republicans so you've got to have their saying biden is admitting he votes. if you have trump dancing in should build a wall, which is their, they're not going to not what he is saying, but in want to endorse anyone that the end he's gonna end up accomplishing some of what president trump tried to do in office but couldn't, which is trump is endorsing. to actually extend the barriers and they're not likely to be on the border that had been basically halted or suspended supporting jim jordan. scalise has the problems that or stalled under the former we indicated. president. that's kind of an irony or you could see how this could unfold, with many chapters. paradox that nobody might have interesting fever dreams. expected a few weeks ago. i like the lease cheney fever >> but look, on what grounds can republicans in congress dream where she got enough attack president biden for what is happening at the border? republicans or democrats about they are doing nothing. her, but how about cheney for congress has done nothing on speaker. >> i'm down with that. comprehensive immigration i want to highlight part of a reform for years and years. and they are the actual lawmakers. so how can they honestly put all of the blame on the president when they've got to politico report and the look in the mirror and say, yo, relationship between kevin mccarthy and the biden white what have i done? >> congress has been at a complete standstill on trying house, where politico says, to get real immigration bill. quote, mccarthy marked biden's we have seen partisan bills age and mental acuity in public or privately telling allies come out of the house, which that he found the president have no chance of passing the senate, and the senate has nothing moving at all. and there has really been no sharp and substantive in their serious discussions at all conversations. that is a stark contradiction between republican and that left a deep impression on the white house. what does this tell you about democrats and how to fix the kevin mccarthy and the current state of things in washington, jason? problems of immigration, no >> this is why he was terrible real negotiations or at his job. compromise. i wasn't a fan of john boehner, really a lot of compromising but one thing that john boehner and messaging bills. talked about a lot after he so you raise a good point, which is, if you haven't had a series attempt between the two parties in congress to fix the problems of immigration, then how can you criticize the left office as speaker, he will go back to his own caucus and say hey guys, i don't agree administration? >> just saying. with them at all, but obama's peter baker, luke broadwater, charles coleman, thank you all for starting us off this. evening i want to give you a quick update from the state of not a bad guy. i can argue and debate with florida where democratic him. congressman jared moskowitz has and boehner was really strong enough to argue with people a very simple answer to donald that like hey we're not dealing trump's claims about the value with an idiot here. mccarthy couldn't be trusted by anybody. he was a weasel. of his mar-a-lago club in palm he was the worst person to have beach. a new telephone game, because moskowitz sent a letter to the you ask for a sandwich and he county property appraiser, says you asked for crack pointing out of the county value the property between 18 and 28 million bucks, which is a whole lot different than cocaine. you couldn't trust the man, donald trump's claim that it is within his party, within worth well over a billion negotiations, and that's why he doesn't have his job. that's why the republicans in general are in trouble, because dollars. they don't have anybody. so the congressman's official they have people who are qanon people like jim jordan, or you request to the county, have spines people like mccarthy, who don't know how to make real commitments and negotiate. shouldn't we hikers taxes to and if you can't come up with a functional leader, you can't operate as a political organization or even a diamond store front for a terrorist organization, which i said the reflect what donald trump gop has done for years. swears mar-a-lago is worth? >> crazy makes noise, it makes headlines, and functional it's a very good question by the congressman. democracy is what we need. we can't wait to hear the do people realize and appreciate that. mark mckinnon, jason johnson, response. don't forget to watch mark when we come back, donald trump zona. unite our country's youth is watching. they may not be old enough to is looming large. the speaker battle on the hill, vote now, but guess what? jason johnson and mark mckinnon are here to break down who these kids are growing up in could replace mccarthy and how long the chaos can last. some might even become young and later, you must be out for this. leaders. talk about inspiration, the we're gonna hear from two who power of youth. are doing extraordinary things, when the 11th hour continues. we talk to two young leaders about the power of stepping up and speaking out in the massive difference that they are making. the 11th hour, just getting underway on a thursday night. if your teenager is playing a video game, make sure they watch this instead. is it possible my network could take my business to the next level? 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(bright music) here's why you should switch from chrome to duckduckgo. duckduckgo is a browser you download to your mobile and desktop devices. unlike chrome, the duckduckgo browser has privacy built-in. it comes with a private alternative to google search, which doesn■t spy on your searches, and it blocks cookies and creepy ads. and there's no catch. it's free. we make money from ads, but they don't follow you around. join the millions of people taking back their privacy by downloading duckduckgo on mobile and desktop today. >> the republicans on this committee and the others in the house and senate don't care about democracy. they don't care about fair maps. they only care about three simple things, reelection, power, and dollar signs. this redistricting stunt is a clear power grab by republicans in the general assembly, so to now, watch your step. be very careful of what you choose to do, because young people like me are watching, serious battle lines drawn in and young people like me are the race to become the next fed up. >> watch your step. house speaker. so far to republicans have right now, i hope that parents thrown their hats in the ring. of teenagers or teenagers are jim jordan and ski steve watching, because that right there was 17 year old eric scalise. today jordan said he has talked willoughby. he's not old enough to cast a to donald trump about his bid for speaker and he would not ballot, but he had that warning try to expel matt gaetz. for elected officials in his state, young people are and just about an hour ago, watching and not just in north congressman troy nehls said he carolina where the republican plans to endorse jordan for controlled legislature is still speaker. the process of drawing a new speaking of trump, he sources congressional maps. young activists often go up to be young leaders. also say that trump himself is you might remember this viral moment from 2011, when the 19 considering visiting the capitol next week as a process to pick a new speaker begins, -year-old zach wahls stood up with the goal to unify to defend families like his own republicans. back with me tonight, jason johnson politics and journalism professor morgan state university and mark mckinnon, former adviser to george w. legislation that was targeting bush and john mccain, one of them. >> we're not so different from any of your children. the co-hosts of the circus on my family really isn't so showtime, which as its season different from yours. after all, your family doesn't premiere sunday night. you better be harm. derive its sense of worth from mark, is jordan trying to being told by the state, you're married, congratulations. or the next two hours i'm sure position himself as the most we're gonna hear plenty of testimony about how damaging maga candidate for speaker, and having gay parents is on kids. if so, is that the right move, but my 19 years not once have i ever been confronted by an given how thin the margins are individual who realized independently that i was raised for republicans? by a gay couple. >> well, he is the most maga and you know why? because the sexual orientation candidate by far. even before the freedom caucus of my parents has had zero described him as a bomb effect on the content of my character. thrower. is that really where the thank you very much. republican caucus needs at this >> that legislation did pass in the iowa house, but was blocked point to interact sort of votes they need and to have any sort in the senate and, same sex marriage stayed legal in the of republican success? state. and in the question is not just as for zach wahls, he went on two but what. to serve in the iowa state senate. what are gonna be the terms of both of these remarkable young men join us now. any speaker, and the problem we know from kevin mccarthy's tenure is that they introduced eric, you amaze me. a motion to vacate. you are a senior in high it's like chekhov's gun. if you show a gun in the first school. act, they're gonna use it what made you decide to address before the play is over. the general assembly? and they used. they shot mccarthy. i mean, it's fog, time for so i talked to ken, back is one of the republicans who deposed friday night lights and pepper rallies. >> that's right. and you know, that's exactly mccarthy is a member of the freedom caucus. what i told the general i doubt him last night. assembly. i should be with my friends. he said really right now it i shouldn't have to be here and comes down to scalise and jordan. defend my generations writes but he says that scalise had with for a ballot affair problems because kevin mccarthy doesn't like scalise. so mccarthy's going to whip his representation. but why was i there? people against police, and i was there to prove the young jordan's got his own problems. people like me, we are so if those guys have two listening i mean we don't always hear it all the time but problems going in, is it we are listening and we are angry and we are fed up. >> zach, talk to us about how appears that they do, they had more problems than kevin mccarthy had going, in and we know mccarthy took 15 votes to you went from being just a get there. young man but who chose to so i think we're looking at a stand up publicly to defend long train wreck ahead. your family who is basically >> but jason, mark is under attack and then moving to forgetting that the great full activism and full office unifier may be making his way to capitol hill during this where you are right now. process next week. >> well, stephanie, i really donald trump. appreciate the opportunity to who is that going to benefit? be with you and eric, >> they're the presidents gonna congratulations, thank you for benefit is the democrats. i am sorry, but in a functional standing up and delivering such democracy the guy who was responsible for an attempted an impassioned speech. the thing i would say to you is violent coup should never be that you have this incredible opportunity to take this moment confident enough to return to and turn it into something much the scene of the crime. bigger. that's what those of us who had that opportunity, stephanie, i would say, have the responsibility to do. my generation, the generation it's kind of ridiculous the of people like eric, we are incredibly frustrated, and it's donald trump is walking free at all. exciting lead to see young but the fact that he would feel comfortable to come back to activists take the lead on issues like partisan washington d. c. with just two gerrymandering, climate change, years ago he led a mob of for lgbtq people who are always people to try to murder almost been targeted. everybody in that room, it's what eric speech shows is galling to me. >> but jason, but by that defending democracy is not an measure, it would be absurd for insider in the weeds issue. someone who did that to be it's easy to see the voters running for president of the don't really care about democracy issues, but i think eric's speech shows that it united states, and that's connects with a lot of people, especially young people. exactly what he's doing. >> yes. >> but a lot of people don't that's the larger problem. if we had a more swift and more think about partisan gerrymandering until it's too aggressive justice system, he late. wouldn't be in a position to do eric, i said, it you're only 17 that. that's the larger problem that years old. are you an outlier among your we have here. it's flaunting the law and friends and classmates, or are they engaged as well? flaunting how he really attacked the sovereignty of this nation. so that being said, it would be >> when it comes to issues like great for democrats to point redistricting, i'm very aware, that out, it's not gonna do because it's a very non sexy anything for the republican issue. party. it's a very nerdy thing that i they have a choice between two happen to be interested in. terrible candidates. jim jordan, quite frankly but young people are really considered a cook even among interested in areas like conservatives. also not very good at raising reproductive rights, voting money. rights, things like that, that and whoever becomes the speaker, they care about because they at this point, is gonna be know it affects their duty responsible for raising money today. when you're able to relate and protecting republicans who those issues to something like are trying to protect their seats in 2024. so i would say steve scalise, but he has health issues. redistricting, it affects all those issues, it has an impact. >> zach, people constantly saying have broke and divided the country. is congress's chaos, not functioning. but when you think about your own path over the last ten years, when you look at eric, a 17-year-old, speaking up for what he believes in, how energized and inspired do you feel about the power of our country, about the power of democracy? >> i think it makes me really excited and i think if i had to think of a through line from eric's speech in mine, it's about the importance of speaking truth to power and how that resonates with people who are watching in this meeting. i think that all across the country there is this understanding that we are going through something that is really challenging for our country right now, whether it's the rise of authoritarianism within the republican party, attempts by that party, like they are in north carolina, which by rigging elections, we know that there are incredible challenges in front of us. it brings me a lot of excitement and inspiration to see people like eric in north carolina stepping up, here in iowa we saw teenaged in high school students organize walkouts against bans an lgbt books here in our state. and so it has been inspiring for me to see young people stepping up. i would still consider myself a young person by political standards. it's really important for our generation to get involved, whether it's joining a local organization, running for office with the good folks that run for something, or just finding a candidate who you really believe in and going to work for them. we cannot make a difference if we do our part. >> eric, your remarks, obviously, went viral. that's how we found you. their inspirational. but what happened after he spoke? what's going on down there? >> a lot of great people reached out. a lot of great people were able to elevate the platform to spread this issue even more. i'm very grateful for those opportunities because this can't just be a 15 seconds of fame. this has to be something that keeps on going. >> so what are you doing next? >> well, i think my family and people and i are going to deliver republicans a message in 2024. that message is that my generation, generation see, it's gonna be the generation that writes the history books. and if you just -- right now today to push us to the margins of our political systems, to the sidelines of our government, we're gonna be the ones to read you into the margins of history. if you decide now that we are not mature enough, to lead, we will be the ones to decide that you will not be the ones to represent our great country. >> damn, eric, you're not even gonna have to write a college application. they're just going to be sending a car for you. zach, what message do you have for young people today? >> i think the most important thing is not to lose hope. they want you to feel more worn down, they want you to feel dispirited, like there's nothing you can do, but just look at eric. look at the speech that he gave. look at the difference that he's making in north carolina. look at the inspiration that he's given to so many people. one voice -- and that's what eric is doing in north carolina, and that's what any person can do who wants to stand up and be heard. >> eric willoughby, zach wahls, thanks so much. after this, something that drives me bananas, influencers, you see them everywhere. but are they starting to lose their influence now that they are cashing in? we'll get into it when the 11th hour continues. you deserve better than that. i'm hungry, i'm in a hurry, i don't have time to make anything healthy. you could if you had a blendjet. blendjet? it's the portable blender that makes the healthy choice the most convenient choice. i don't know. it seems like a hassle. hahaha! wrong. just pour in some milk, add some frozen fruit, and bam! you've got a nutritious and delicious smoothie. mmm! that is good. you're welcome, sad office guy. get yours today at blendjet.com are we in in an ad? we sure are. >> if you were on social media at all today, and i know you were, chances are you probably scrolled by an influencer. now what started out as a way to grow personal brands from hogue has now because of a multi billion dollar global industry. but now that those influencers are cashing in on the billions, the question is, have they sold away their authenticity, maybe even lost their influence? with me now to discuss, hey lauren,'s washington post technology con columnist and author of extremely online, the untold story of the influence and power on the internet. it is out this week. can we just talk through this because social media influencers killed traditional advertising. we no longer were flipping through a magazine looking at a model claiming that she loved this blender. now actually chefs are in their kitchens saying man, we love this great stuff, this is what i use. fast forward, now they get paid so much money they are just pushing product all day long. are people go to eventually catch on to this and tune them out? >> not even remotely, unfortunately. actually goldman sachs just came out with a report saying that the influencer industry is skyrocketing. over half a trillion dollar industry by 2027. >> okay, but lot of these influencers are pushing products that they might not even use. your own paper has a report out that the food industry is paying influencer dietitians and they are not even saying that they are paid posts. aren't the rules about that? >> unfortunately, i actually wrote about this in my book, ftc has failed about this to crack down. they don't have a handle on the problem. when they try to crack down in 2017 they ended up making sponsor content aspirational. now you see spate fake sponsor content, which people pretending they have brand deals with luxury brands are aspirational brands because it's seen as a status symbol to have a brand-new deal. >> and if they do that maybe another brand will want to catch on? >> exactly. >> this is gross. it's all of this going to be a race for all humans to get sponsored? >> the big trend is watching your own products. more interest influencers are not interested in doing and deals because why would you have ad deals when you've developed a product you can sell to your audience yourself? chamberlain coffee, really developing their own product lines, and they're becoming huge businesses. >> the real housewives. it's what all of them have done. if it looks good, and i have my own product. but >> a lot of these influencers are kids. are there no regulations around them? >> absolutely not. illinois passed the first legislation to protect child employers, but it's an enforceable because the state legislation. the u.s. government has not been tracking this. it's a huge new type of work that's been emerging in the past 15, years and statistics it's not even tracking them. we don't even have a handle on it. >> so none of this is slowing down. this is the tip of the iceberg. >> we are at the beginning of this radical shift in media and it has been happening for the last 25 years, which my book reports on, but it's definitely not slowing down. >> at some point, though, how does everyone become an influencer? how does everyone become a brand? there's not very many brands to care about? >> definitely not everyone's gonna have to become an influencer, but we're all connected more and more these days. we all have a public profile. we're living on the internet, whether or not we put ourselves there. i can google anyone, especially kids. you have an online reputation. you're known for things. it's increasingly, i mean, kids are increasingly able to cash. and look at what's happening with college sports. >> i want to know why you wrote this book, and in your opinion, what's the most important takeaway? >> i want to write a book that told the rise of social media through the user side. we've seen a social network version of social media. lot of focus on big tech founders, great for that side, but we've got the user side, and again, it's half a trillion dollar industry that is completely unregulated, with no oversight. it's wild. it's mostly a child labor industry. and no one had really talked about the rise of that industry and how it emerged, and kind of lead that charge. >> what's your biggest fear? or you have none? you think this is a beautiful wild west? >> pretty dystopian. as we talk about my book, we are all pressured to come out of ourselves, our lives in our relationships in increasingly invasive ways. i think it's dark. there's a lot of laboratory aspect. i have my whole career, because i get popular online, like a popular on the internet and i'm in media. and i wrote a book. it could be amazing for people and it can also be dark. there is huge mental health tolls on content makers because they're always online. >> all these influencers, trusting what they have, what they use. now they're just pushing product. come on now. taylor lorenz, congratulations on your book, glad to talk with you. when we come back, you have to see this story. if you're feeling tired, i need you to stay up for another five minutes, because this woman ditched her walker, literally, to jump out of a plane, and she just broke the record books. if this woman ist gonna make you get a better tomorrow, nothing else we'll. stick around. the 11th hour isn't over yet. from chrome to duckduckgo. duckduckgo is a browser you download to your mobile and desktop devices. unlike chrome, the duckduckgo browser has privacy built-in. it comes with a private alternative to google search, which doesn■t spy on your searches, and it blocks cookies and creepy ads. and there's no catch. it's free. we make money from ads, but they don't follow you around. >> the last thing before we go join the millions of people taking back their privacy by downloading duckduckgo on mobile and desktop today. tonight, it just sounded like fun. that is what dorothy haffner thought about the idea of going skydiving. but dorothy, here's something might i guess, she's 104 years old. her birthday is coming up in december. that means this sky dive might make her the new guinness world record holder for the oldest person to sky dive. this was a 13,500 foot tandem leap just outside chicago, illinois, and dorothy said she had an absolute blast. >> about five feet from the plane and a big gust of wind, and it was a piece of wind. it turned us over. if you did a somersault. i thought that was so much fun. when you feel good, you can do these things. sometimes you have a little fear or scare of doing it, but if you feel good, do it. >> my god, i love this woman. dorothy told the maritime she was not nervous at all ahead no idea about the guinness world record. she of course, no surprise, was met with a massive round of applause when she landed, which, she did not actually understand. >> it was wonderful. i enjoyed it. i couldn't understand why those people were there. but, as i say, all i did was get old. older. i'm not old, i'm older. >> older, wiser, and more fabulous every day. we want to send our congratulations to dear dorothy. she's back in her chicago retirement home and says she hopes to take it easy next summer, with maybe a hot air balloon ride. and on that note, i hope you all feel a little inspired tomorrow, and have a good night tonight. from all of our colleagues across the networks of nbc news, thanks for staying up late with me. i'll see you at the end of tomorrow. >> tonight on all in. >> the best thing we can do right now is have president trump on an interim basis. >> the ex president likes the plan. >> we're gonna walk down to the capitol. >> tonight, donald trump's reported return to the scene of the crime. then -- >> i just don't know, i'd have

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