Feeling good and kicking ass. And on that note, i wish you a very good night. From all of our colleagues across the networks of nbc news, thanks for staying up late with me. Ill see at the end of tomorrow. Tonight on all in. It looks like you have here the Ringleader Of A Circus Led by matt gaetz. You are praising one minute and the next minute youre gonna lead an insurgency . One day and one gavel down from later. Republicans have finally found the real culprits. Democrats basically turned on republicans and ousted Kevin Mccarthy. Thats what you get for trusting democrats. Tonight, the search for the next speaker begins. I know for a fact, though, trump has been contacted about possibly him being an interim speaker. As maga demands the mccarthy replacement, free donald trump. Kevin mccarthy wanted us to surrender every other fight. Jack smith, weaponized government. And, as a disgraced defendant rambles outside is it the beginning of communism in our country . Its the beginning of communism. The excruciating details of decades of fraud inside a new york courtroom. Mr. Trump is no longer here. The donald trump show is over. When all in starts, right now. Good evening from new york. Im chris hayes. A little over 24 hours ago for the very first time in all of american history, a house caucus deposed their own speaker. A group of hardline members of the republican majority, led by florida congressman matt gaetz, forced a goal to vacate the speakers office, ousting Kevin Mccarthy. I will admit, it is not super clear why gaetz and his allies thought this was a good idea. The move left a lot of members of their own party bewildered and downright furious. And it has sparked a resurgence of a consistent theme in this political era. Whenever the Republican Party, or its leadership, act in a particularly egregious, norm shattering fact fashion, conservative politicians, members of the conservative media, and then many members of the mainstream media, rushed to find some reason to blame democrats. We have seen it over and over. After donald trump won the republican primary in 2016 it was democrats who got the blame. Liberals were to mean to mitch romney in the previous president ial cycle, helping to Inoculate Trump and clear the way for him. People still make this argument to this day. During the first trump impeachment, republicans tried to blame then Speaker Nancy Pelosi for their failure to convict the president. It was not their own political calculation or cowardice or moral blindness, no. It was nancy pelosi who was at fault for the way they voted. And heres the thing. Of the worst the worst that dysfunction gets, the worst the harder they try to work to use democrats as the cause of it all. Just like clockwork, we are hearing all sorts of folks blaming liberals for Kevin Mccarthys ouster as speaker, even mccarthy himself. I think today was a political decision by the democrats. Democrats just removed the republican speaker. Democrats basically turned on republicans and ousted Kevin Mccarthy. Every one of the democrats voted against mccarthy. Thats what you get for trusting a democrat, right . The democrats, who voted to oust Kevin Mccarthy, they couldve done something about it. They couldve thrown him a life raft. I think a lot of these democrats on the Problem Solvers Caucus need to be asked, why did you make this decision . Why didnt you step in . Why didnt you cut a deal with mccarthy . I want to work with the other side. Yesterday was the chance, and they feel badly. I think there is an opportunity for folks to put the country above the insanity. I think it left a lot of people with a bad taste in their mouth. Oh you had a bad taste in your mouth because the democrats didnt do what you wanted . Is that right, mike lawler, running in a plus ten Button District in the state of new york . We have seen the interim public leader, Patrick Mchenry of North Carolina banging that gavel very hard and angrily, exacting a little petty revenge against democrats for their betrayal, he ordered speaker emeritus nancy pelosi and former speaker hoyer, to vacate their offices in the capital itself in what pelosi described is a sharp departure from tradition. As you, know pelosi wasnt even president for the vote against mccarthy. She was in florida for the funeral of the late senator diane feinstein. Yesterday all the democrats were present in the house faced a tactical question about what to do in this nearly unprecedented situation. Remember, it has been more than a century since the house caucus headed aside on how to vote on vacate against speaker. The only reason we had this vote was because the rules package negotiated by gaetz and the holdouts and Kevin Mccarthy, they created the conditions for the vote to happen in the first place, and we have never seen this level of House Dysfunction before. Its genuinely historic. I will say, there really were arguments on both sides about how democrats should handle the vote. I talked to a bunch of people yesterday as i was reporting this. But those were arguments about how the Democratic Caucus should exercise its own political interests and the interests of those people they represent. The idea that democrats should have protected Kevin Mccarthy for the good of the country is nonsense. First of all, if Kevin Mccarthy wanted democrats to vote for him in this vote that only came about because of the rules package he negotiated, Kevin Mccarthy was a big boy, he could have tried to persuade democrats to make a deal with them. Thats the way politics works. He did not do that. In fact, he reportedly waited until the last minute to call the democratic leader, hakeem chaffee jeffries. And his allies said, pointedly, publicly and privately, that mccarthy was opposed to cutting any deals with democrats. Even deeper issue at play, as one House Democratic staffer explains today, was just basic trust. Quote, we did not trust Kevin Mccarthy and he gave us no reason to. He could have done so, and i suspect through fairly simple actions he chose not to do that. Democrats could not make a deal with Kevin Mccarthy. They could not support his speakership because his word means nothing. They could not trust him. Keep in mind, mccarthy was already, in front of all of us, he wasnt secretive about it, he was in the process of ripping up the biggest deal he ever made on the debt ceiling. They cut the deal with joe biden, and folks in his caucus got mad about the deal, and he was about to go and undercut that deal, rip it up. There was no reason for democrats to believe that he would not turn around and rip up another deal with them tomorrow. Back in fact, he had already promised his caucus that he would do that. So he had to be lying to someone. Either lying to his caucus are lying to the democrats to cut a deal with them. But hes lying to someone. What could it do them to save mccarthy and then, the next day, watch him push forward and impeachment of joe biden, massively cut social funding, put a whole bunch of awful Poison Pill Provisions into must pass legislation, steer the country into another shutdown . As Josh Marshall points out, republicans bad behaviour and destruction is assumed in washington. Its a given. Its like gravity. Everyone knows unexpected. Everyone else has to work around it. That means democrats have to be the ones to figure out how to make the government work. Of course the dysfunctional misbehaving republicans are all grown ass adults with moral agency. They make decisions. They can do bad things are good things. I cannot quite believe this needs to be said. But the people behave to blame for republicans blowing up their speakers republicans. Congressman joe neguse, member of the party of leadership and who joins me now. First of all, what do you think of the argument that you sold out the country yesterday in pursuit of Petty Political aims and had an opportunity to be the bigger man, i guess . I dont know what the argument is, and vote to keep bevin Kevin Mccarthy is your speaker. Good evening, chris. Its good to be with you. Its a nonsensical argument. I agree with your summation as to the decisionmaking that occurred over the last couple of days. Let me just first say its good as a broad principle to state what has been made abundantly clear over the course of the last nine months, which is that House Republicans are singularly focused on fighting each other and House Democrats are focused on fighting for the American People, on developing on delivering real results for Working Families across the country. Its clear republicans chose a different path, a path of chaos, extremism, and dysfunction has had real consequences for the American People. It culminated in the events of the last 24 hours. With respect to the particular argument that you are noting, and some republicans have apparently are parroting and using as an excuse over the last 24 hours, i think it is ludicrous on his face. The notion that democrats are somehow responsible for a republican speaker is unmoored from reality and from any kind of historical precedents. And by the way, the American People understand that. They recognize that the Majority Party in the house select the speaker because they watched in january when the republican conference was in disarray, incapable of electing a speaker. And the only reason why that process concluded with the ascension of Speaker Mccarthy is because he capitulated to every demand made by the extreme right wing of his caucus, including the rule change that you noticed, that enabled those same chaos agents to ultimately vacate the speakers office. That was a rule change that House Democrats voted against. Its a crisis of their own making. It is emblematic of the dysfunction that they have brought To Washington, and it is unfortunate for the country. The other thing in this, a guy named aaron fisher, a staffer who wrote this. One of the things he did a good job of explaining is that the cr they passed, the continuing resolution to keep government open on the day, there was no communication. Hes been promising to write everything. He pivots, he throws this thing in their laps. Heres all of the funding. You dont have 90 minutes, not even 90 minutes to read it. Vote for it or you shut down the government and i need two thirds majority. Thats the last thing he did before he got booted from being speaker. That was the last action of the guy that youre supposed to have anti trust or good faith in. Yeah. With one caveat. It was a second to last thing he did. Of course the last thing he did was following that vote in which the vast majority of democrats, nearly 90 of the caucus, voted in favor of keeping the government open, notwithstanding that Republicans En Masse voted against it. The speaker, former speaker, went on television and attempted to blame democrats for voting, apparently voting for that bill [laughter]. I read that same twitter thread and i thought that it articulated well the numerous ways, unfortunately, the former speaker had, as i said, capitulated to the farright, and reneged on agreements that were made. Again, this is bigger than one person. It is emblematic of the extremism that has taken root in the House Republican conference. That, fundamentally, i think, is what is before the country now. And these are the, we should just put up the eight republicans that voted to oust him that were sort of running this operation. To your point about being bigger than one speaker, i dont want to get to in the weeds, but it is important for people to really understand this issue. The government will need to be funded in 45 days because there is a continuing resolution for 45 days. There was a deal laid out of the debt ceiling for the house and the senate for basically these kind of top line budget numbers, for everyone to go back and pass appropriations align with those numbers. That was the deer. We all watched it happened. We covered it. Mccarthy met with joe biden. The senate is doing that. Theyre basically going back and saying, okay, weve got the ad bill, the defense bill, heres the top line numbers. The republicans want to reneged on that deal. They want to rip up that deal, and so there will be another shutdown, because they want to rip up the deal that they made to avoid the lash shut down. Am i right, where am i losing my mind . Look, the House Republicans have been on an island for quite some time now. You are right with respect to the deal that you mentioned. The fiscal responsibility act. The impetus for that deal, just by way of background and context for your viewers is that republicans manufactured a crisis with respect to the debt ceiling. They brought us to the brink of a catastrophic catastrophic default on our debt, and ultimately negotiated this to avert a crisis they had created and in an era matter of weeks, Speaker Mccarthy, former Speaker Mccarthy, reneged on that very same deal. Senate republicans have been working on a bipartisan basis with senate democrats, and the president , of course, is supportive of the agreement he reached. Again, its consistent with the way in which House Republican conference has chosen to govern, or lack thereof i suppose. These are not serious people. Its not a serious party. Theyre not prepared to govern. The American People see that and unfortunately, if past is prologue, i think were in for some choppy waters ahead. Im hopeful that some republicans in that conference will walk away from the extreme maga element in the conference that has metastasized and work with us to find by find a bipartisan path forward, supporting our leader, hakeem jeffries, who is Letter Conference and the country with unity and brilliance and trying to deliver results to the American People. But time will tell. I think choppy waters is apt. Again, were gonna be in the same place. It doesnt matter who they get. They could vote for the hamburger for speaker. It doesnt matter. Its going to be the same problem. Congressman joe neguse. I was trying to get you to smile and laugh. Always good to be with you, chris. Take care. With house what the House Maga Caucus once has been inscrutable, which is part of the problem. Whats the ask . What is it the next speaker should do that Kevin Mccarthy wouldnt . Well, matt gaetz gave us a clue last night. We passed a department of Homeland Security border bill that would have required everifyd with a host of other reforms. Then on a continuing resolution, Kevin Mccarthy wanted us to surrender every other fight. Jack smith, weaponized government, Everything Else going gone just to isolate the border thing. All right, so, if youre listening to matt gaetz, he was good on the border stuff, the border bill is good, but there are too focused on that at the exclusion of every other fight. Kevin mccarthy surrendered the fight against, for example, jack smith. In other words, the speaker lost his job because he refused to disrupt the prosecution of donald trump for attempting to overthrow american democracy. And for next speaker, the maga caucus has large demand. Florida member i will vote for the speaker who publicly and clearly commit to defunding jack smiths antiamerican Election Interference which hunt and subpoenas under biden of bringing a vote on the impeachment of joe biden to the house of the floor. We must have free and clear elections and in the corruption of our government. And the somewhat ominously, and a little comically, these are by terms. So let her be written, let it be done. Those demands are broadly representative of the clarks position. There are demands. It leaves out another one that we should include, which is a Requirement Cut off aid to ukraine. She doesnt mention that but i think its there. If you take them seriously, their positions basically amounted to declaring donald trump Above The Law by defunding special counsel jack smiths investigation, going into the president s son and helping Vladimir Putin seize ukraine. And emerge successful from his War Of Aggression against that country. She served as a Public Relations director on capitol hill. Matt, let me start with you, someone who has been reporting on this crew for a while, the faces of change, the names of change. I remember when mark meadows, you were a reporting a lot on mark meadows when he was the kind of, he was the matt gaetz of his day back in 2015 when he took a run at boehner. You have long institutional memory here, and we reported on this shifting contours of the hard right caucus. Do you think there are substantive asks here . Is there a thing