Gingrich says hes destructive to the party. Many are equally ticked off at democrats who could have, in many republicans minds, should have saved mccarthys job. Well tell you what theyre doing to settle the score. We start in washington where a chaotic new chapter in the history of the House Of Representatives has begun, and just when it seems things couldnt get any uglier, they have. Republican supporters of Kevin MccarthyFurious Over Democrats unwillingness to protect them and protect the speaker from conservatives are now exacting revenge. Over the past 24 hours, two democratic leaders, nancy pelosi and steny hoyer have been told to vacate their offices inside the capitol. Pelosi is blaming acting speaker Patrick Mchenry for the move, although its not clear who made the final call. Mchenry is just one of at least six lawmakers who are now testing the water indvan of next weeks vote for a new speaker. Others include Steve Scalise, Judiciary Committee chair, jim jordan who confirmed just a few hours ago he will, in fact, run. I want to bring in nbcs ryan nobles on capitol hill, Tara Setmayer is former gop Communications Director and Senior Adviser for the lincoln project. Peter baker is New York Times chief White House Correspondent and an msnbc political analyst. Another big day, folks. Ryan, give us the latest. Whos actually confirmed theyre running, and do we know who might have a leg up there . Reporter we know three names for sure, and all three of them were on the list you showed, kevin hern, Steve Scalise and of course jim jordan, they have all it publicly clear they are interested in runni speaker. There are a couple of names that are possies. One name we can cross off is Garrett Graves Of Louisiana whos tight with Kevin Mccarthy and has been a key part of the negotiations around the debt ceiling and the budget. He just told me a few minutes ago that hes not interested in becoming the next leader. Already were seeing these different members start to make their pitch about why they believe they can get to 218 votes. Listen to what kevin hern said earlier today. All of this is going on up here right now is one more further distraction to the American People. They want real results, and i believe i could deliver those if the people up here want to put me in that place. Would you take the job with one person being able to pull the plug on you . Absolutely. You know, i have never been one to shy away from the accountability of the leaders. Ive had accountability as a leader my entire life. I dont think the rule is the problem. I think that we have to perform going forward. Reporter now, there is the problem that the Speakers Office is currently vacant, and that is definitely something that these House Members are going to have to deal with. But it really seems in many ways that theyre going to have to just throw the entire playbook out and start from scratch. Many members are concerned about this idea that any one member can pull a motion to vacate at any period of time and that that cloud is hanging over the Speakers Office at any particular time. Many members calling for a full sail rewrite of the rules. The leaders, the whip, the majority leader, all the different conference chairs, these are things up for discussion. The long and short of this, chris, it could be some time before the house is stabilized in a way they can actually produce the number of laws. Tara, its one thing to get the number of votes you need to become the next speaker and given what happened last time, lets not assume this is going to go quickly or smoothly, but its also another thing to be a person who might actually be able to win the speakers gavel and govern. Do you see anyone on that list you think could do both . This has to be the worst job in washington right now. No one really wants it who could actually get something done. Maybe tom cole, or emmer, theyve been less chaos agents than some of the others. I think its important, especially emmer who had the job of the nrcc chair prior to his position in leadership, i mean, scalise could possibly run things. Hes been in leadership for a long time. He understands how things operate, but itsthat. I think what watching here is a republican civil war that has been brewing for an awful long time, that is really going to expose where the Republican Party stands, because you are speaker of the house, its not about viral moments, its not about getting interviews, its supposed to be running the speakers house, which means you are the speaker of everyone. And unfortunately that has not been the priority for republicans. They may say these platitudes about conservative values and debts and things like that, but they havent behaved that way while theyve been in power, and theyre not operating in good faith with the other side. In order to get things passed, you have to be able to work at list right there has one on monstred that they have an ability to do that, and most o them are Election Deniers on top of that. In my opinion, thats disqualifying off the top. So peter, thats a pretty depressing analysis there from tara, but lets talk about the democrats and, frankly, the view of the white house. Is there a candidate on that list that they could say, all right, thats somebody i could work with. They would not think somebody could work with, thats obviously jim jordan. Jim jordan has been one of the most vocal opponents and critics of this white house leading the charge on the impeachment and other investigations, and obviously they do not look at jim jordan with a great deal of fondness in the white house or the democratic side of the aisle. Look, you know, i think the democrats are sitting back and more than half to let the republicans stew in their own mess basically, you know, the old political adage is when your opponent is shooting himself in the foot, you dont get in the middle of that. Thats whats happening right now. Theyre happy to watch this. Obviously, you know, they would tell you on the record that their concern for the country, thats part of it, but as a matter of politics, you know, they think that this shows that republicans are not up to governing and it will help them make the case in next years election. Right now the republicans havent, you know, figured out the rebuttal to that. You cant blame americans who sit back and say, okay, weve got another shutdown threat, thats what, less than six weeks away now, and theyve just all gone home. Theyre not even coming back until next week. Whats going on right now on the hill . How many people are there, and what is likely to happen between now and then . You know, chris, i think it is so important for our viewers to understand that the speaker drama is just one part of what is a real crisis here on capitol hill in and you pointed out very specifically, there is a Budget Deadline that is fast approaching, and there is basically no work being done on capitol hill, at least on the house side, until they can sort this drama out. Yes, there is some action on the senate, senators are in their offices, theyre working today. They are in session. They theoretically could begin the process of moving their appropriations bill through their chamber. But here on the house side, until they settle this issue with the speaker of the house, they really cannot do anything. They can have behind the scenes conversations. They can perhaps continue to negotiate, but none of it becomes official because theres a speaker in place. Yes, perhaps maybe there are some constitutional questions that could be risen that Patrick Mchenry, the acting speaker can move things through the house. That could be subject to a legal challenge. Its just not probably the appropriate way to go. This is a real problem. The fact that theres no speaker of the house is one thing. Maybe the perhaps more immediate and bigger problem is they are running out of time to come up with a longterm budget deal. And we saw how difficult it is just to pass a quick continuing resolution to keep the negotiations open, when youre dealing with all of these things right now, the idea that theyre going to be able to do that seems fanciful. This is a real problem right now, and there really isnt an exit ramp in site. Let me play you what one of the republicans who voted to oust mccarthy said on fox news this morning. The point is is that were 33 trillion in debt. This speaker was woefully, woefully lacking in leadership skills. He always places the blame somewhere else. Americas going to be better off with new leadership, and thats the bottom line. And who is it . Possibly could be Steve Scalise. It could be elise stefanik, it could be Roger Williams out of texas, it could be Mark Green Out of tennessee. So they all supported Kevin Mccarthy, including the most conservative guy, jim jordan. Why are you smarter than jim jordan and the 210 plus republicans . Why are you smarter . I represent my district, brother. What does that tell you, tara, about where we are right now and what the prospects are moving forward . How to you see this playing out over the next week or two . Yeah, i mean, it shows you they have no plan. I dont know that they thought they would ever be successful in this. Again, its the dog caught the car politically and now what. Im hearing that theres so much emotion, raw emotion going on in the congress on the republican side that thats why they had to take this break. It almost got physical last night because people were so upset with the gang of eight there that took out Kevin Mccarthy. So the prospects for getting something done to ryans point earlier, its difficult. Were on a time scale here. We cant live through the soap opera, the drama with the republicans figuring out what they want to do here. So i think that were going to see we thought it would happen in january was drama. Wait until what happens now in the next week or so as republicans try to figure out whos going to do what and become the speaker. Im not very confident that theyre going to be able to solve this in a by that shows that theyre grownups and deserve to govern. Peter, theres no doubt emotions are and were running high on the house side, but look, the senate, theyre just having to wait, right . Theres nothing they can do in the meantime. John kennedy was asked what he would say to House Republicans as they head down this road, and heres what he told us. I dont have a lot of advice for my house colleagues other than this, follow your heart, but take your brain with you. The American People expect us to govern, and in order to govern, you have to have leadership, and youve got to stick with that leadership to give that leadership a chance. Id also advise all my house colleagues to be sure and take their meds. Take your meds. Take your brain, peter. Republican to republican, he always delivers it in that very louisiana way. But look, i mean, one of the things that we heard is that Speaker Mccarthy said he stepped down because it was just going to be another vote and another, you know, it could be going on in perpetuity. They want him out, tries to get back in, want him out. Whats to say whoever comes in now isnt going to be going through the same thing a couple of months later if and, you know, ryan touched on this, theres no change in the rules . Yeah, its a good question. Why would you want that job in the first place, right . Because, in fact, the dynamics that Kevin Mccarthy faced are not going to be substantially different for whoever takes his place. Now, you know, mccarthy had burned bridges with certain members on the right wing caucus there and its possible that theres some who could bridge that divide for a little while, but there is a civil war going on in the Republican Caucus, and they have demonstrated because their majority in the house is so narrow that they can really only afford a handful of rebels. Mccarthys not wrong, only 4 of his caucus or his conference made this decision, but thats basically right, only eight members of a conference of over 220 members decided that he was no longer to be speaker. So why would you want that job unless you feel like you can bring that divide, and it leaves you, of course, you know, hostage in some regards to just a handful of members who cannot afford to lose even more than 4, and its a thankless job going forward, i think. Ryan nobles, thank you. Peter and terry, youre going to stay with us because coming up, Florida Republican matt gaetz, probably the least popular guy in congress right now, but he could still have a major role in selecting the next speaker of the house, or could he . Well talk about that when were back in just 60 seconds. St 60 s. [bones cracking] tense music one aleve works all day so i can keep working my magic. Just one aleve. 12 hours of uninterrupted pain relief. Aleve. Who do you take it for . 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People have called you a narcissist. People say there is a huge benefit alone, is it to the benefit of you and donald trump . Its to the benefit of the country that we have a better speaker of the house than Kevin Mccarthy. Kevin mccarthy couldnt keep his word. He made an agreement in january regarding the way washington would work and he violated that agreement. Is matt gaetz today a hero or a villain, a political pariah or a king maker . Well, he now has a target on his back within his own party. New reporting shows hes not just a polarizing figure in congress, but in his own home district. Joining us nous, Tara Setmayer, former gop Communications Director and Senior Adviser for the lincoln project, and mike ricci, who is a republican strategist and former Director Of Communications for speaker paul ryan. Welcome. So tara, the 96 of the Republican Caucus who voted to keep mccarthy as speaker are largely furious. I want to play some of that. The Incentive Structure in this town is completely broken. We no longer value loyalty, integrity, competence or collaboration. Today we will spend the peoples time so that someone can audition for a Television Show or possibly the governorship of a state. This is unacceptable, and the time we want to go live to the president , hes speaking about Speaker Mccarthy. Lets listen. We have a lot of work to do and the American People expect us to get it done. The argument we reached was about what comes next, but we had an agreement. We reached an agreement over the weekend, funds for government only another 40 days. We cannot and should not again be faced with an 11th hour decision, brinksmanship threatens to shut down the government, and we know what we have to do. And we have to get it done in a timely fashion. More than anything, we need to change the poisonous atmosphere in washington. You know, we have strong disagreements, but we need to stop seeing each other as enemies. We need to talk to one another, listen to one another, work with one another, and we can do that. I joined with minority leader jeffries in saying that our republican colleagues remain committed to working in a bipartisan fashion. We were prepared to do it as well for the good of the American People. Twice in the last six months both houses came together on a bipartisan basis. Once to avoid default, once to keep the government open skpcht while we should never have been in the situation in the first place, im grateful that leaders on both sides came together, including former Speaker Mccarthy, to do the right thing. Now, turning to Student Debt Relief. When i ran for president , i vowed to fix our broken Student Loan Program because while a College Degree is still the ticket to a better life, that ticket has become excessively expensive. Americans who are saddled with unsustainable debt in exchange for a College Degree has become the norm. Since my administration has taken signific