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Fight maybe in a different manner. I will not run for speaker again. Ill have the Conference Pick Somebody Else. All right. What a difference nine months makes. Kevin mccarthys speakership is over after a small group of far right republicans joined all democrats in voting to remove him. Well go through what led to his undoing and whats next for the house after a truly chaotic, historic day on capitol hill. Plus, the other big story we are following this morning, donald trump now under a gag order in his Civil Fraud Trial for what he posted on social media. Well go through what the consequences could be if he violates the judges ruling. A bad day in court for the former president. Good morning. Welcome to morning joe. Its wednesday, october 4th. Along with joe, willie and me, we have the host of Way Too Early Jonathan Lemire, Senior Writer for the dispatch, David Drucker and cohost of showtimes the circus jennifer palmiary. And nbc News National Affairs Analyst John Heilemann. Willie, obviously just the absolute chaos in the house. Which i think the wall street Editorial Page, republicans cut off their own heads. Well get to that in a little bit. But, as Big Of A Story that is, whats unfolding in court, in New York State, also massive. People that have known donald trump for a very long time say this is getting to him in a way that none of the criminal trials have gotten to him and i think its starting to show. Yeah. Entire identity, isnt it, bigshot businessman. This is how he was elected president. How he became famous, all of those things. Likely being stripped from him as we watch this trial unfold. Now the judge reminding him yesterday you cannot go after in a public way members of the court, witnesses, other people. Thats not how this works. Its not who you are or who you think you are. You cannot attack People Associated with this trial in a public way. Well dig deep into that trial in just a moment. We do want to begin this morning with that history that was made in the House Of Representatives. On this vote, the yays are 216. The nays are 210. The resolution is adopted. Without objection the motion to reconsider is laid on the table. The office of Speaker Of The House of Th United States House Of Representatives is hereby declared vacant. And just like that, Last Night Congressman Kevin Mccarthy ousted as House Speaker. Thats the first time in history a speaker has been removed through a no confidence vote. First ever the final tally 216 to 210 with eight republicans, you see tm there, breaking from their party to oust mccarthy after a farright republican congressman introduced the motion to remove mccarthy on monday. After his ouster, the now former speaker spoke to reporters about his removal. I dont regret standing up for choosing governing over grievance. It is my responsibility. It is my job. I do not regret negotiating. Our government is designed to find compromise. I may have lost a vote today. But as i walk out of the this chamber, i feel fortunate to served the American People. I leave the speakership with a sense of pride, accomplishment and, yes, optimism. I fought for what i believe in and i believe in this country of america. My goals have not changed. I believe i can continue to fight, maybe in a different manner. I will not run for speaker again. Ill have the Conference Pick Somebody Else. Pride, accomplishment and optimism, says Kevin Mccarthy. So now congressman Patrick Mchenry of North Carolina becomes the speaker pro tem. Mchenry was chosen from a list of potential successors submitted by mccarthy back in nuary to the house clerk. He is an ally of mccarthys. Since 2003, houseul required the speaker to submit a list of names of members to act in the case of his or her vacancy. Republicans will hold a speaker Candidate Forum next tuesday for the candidate for the full house election next wednesday. So a week from today is when they will vote for the next House Speaker. So, joe, 270 days, 9 months Kevin Mccarthy lasted. And this all goes back to something we talked about the day it happened. On that 15th vote in order to become House Speaker, he had to agree to the rule that one member of the House Of Representatives could raise a motion to vacate the chair. A lot of people said, oh, thats never going to happen. We said dont be so sure. Here we today. The other thing to note, no matter how loyal you are to donald trump, no matter how you rushed down to maralago to rehab his reputation after january 6th, he aint coming to save you in the end. Loyalty is a oneway street. Yeah, alwayeen a oneway street. And when really was fay ta come plea as soon as he one person to knock him out, thats bluntly how we ran Gingrich Out Of Town in 1998. But it is amazing that the republicans hold one branch of government. One branch of government. The house, half of a brank of government. And its just absolute chaos, madness and i must say perhaps you file this one under letting calmer heads prevail . But to go on a oneweek recess im sorry. You dont have your you know what together better than that to go on a one week recess so they can get their thoughts together . With everything going on in this country, Jonathan Lemire, youll still have 96 of the caucus engaged for the people who did this for weird, bizarre reasons. They dont line up. They can say what they want to say. They can talk about the budget. Theyre lying because theyve never cared about the budget or spending before. They can talk about broken promises. I mean, so Wall Street Journal said, you know, theyre attacking mccarthy for not passing enough Appropriation Bills when they were the ones that stopped them from passing the Appropriation Bills. Here is the take away line, though. The ouster captures the degraded state of the Republican Party in this era of rage. That from the very conservative Wall Street Journal Editorial Page who is throwing their hands up this morning, like most republicans saying what in the hell is going on in washington, d. C. With the republicans. Yeah. And its so important that we say this is not the House Of Representatives in chaos. This is the republicans in the house in chaos. And democrats yesterday made the decision they werent going to save mccarthy. They didnt appreciate how he bad mouthed them in a series of interviews over the weekend. We showed that photograph he took with donald trump in january of 2021, just a couple weeks after january 6th which started trumps rehabilitation in the gop. That was the one moment perhaps the party could have cut ties with him. They did not. Theyre angry about the Impeachment Inquiry that mccarthy commissioned into President Biden. And mccarthy has been hanging by a thread for a while. Matt gaetz and others wielded this threat easy move. Someone close to mccarthy told me it was like negotiating with terrorist and they were never able to satisfy them. Theres pure fury within the gop against gaetz and others who moved to vacate mccarthy, to oust mccarthy. Mccarthy read the room last night, realized he had no path to holding his speakership. There was some thought he might fight to keep it. He walked away. Now republicans disappear. The house goes out of session for a week. Were only 40 odd days until the government runs out of funding again. That just ups here the drama and disarray and chaos brought forth by republicans a source saying to Jonathan Lemire what many people said is that they are like terrorists but political terrorists. Political terrorists without any demands. A question asked one of them, what else do you want from Kevin Mccarthy back when the first vote was going in january. Well, we really have nothing else to ask of him. Again, Wall Street Journal says members in safe seats. Thats the thing, all of these members are in safe seats. Members in safe seats can fuel their own fundraising and their careers to claiming to, quote, fight against all insundry without doing any of the hard work to accomplish what they claim to be fighting for. We have been talking how the Republican Party turned under donald trump into the party of gestures. This is the ultimate gesture shutting down the United States House Of Representatives and sending out Fundraising Letters while youre doing it when you have no path forward, with 96 of the republican conference is against you. And yet, just 4 are able to shut down the house and then fund raise off of it. Right. And thats the sign thats whats really puts a fine point of whats going on here. I have heard the last 24 hours the repeated invocation of the notion that this is a republican civil war. Its not a republican civil war. This is not the moderate wing against the conservative wing or the establishment wing against the insurgent wing. This is a party that is not there has been this ideological inbreeding. This is an argument over tactics. What has happened over the course and objectives and what has happened over the course of the takeover of the party by donald trump and the maga wing thats become the whole of the party, all these people so mad at matt gaetz and the other seven republicans who voted to send the house into this chaos and take down Kevin Mccarthy, they have catered to that wing over and over and over again. They have given It Everything it wants. And you know, when you keep feeding the monster, the monster just gets stronger and hungrier and more ravenous and more willing to do what it will do for whatever reason. Kevin mccarthy didnt just lose because he made a deal with the devil. He showed matt gaetz back in february, january, he said basically i will do anything to be Speaker Of The House. And the one thing, joe, you know when it comes to political power and leadership, as soon as you show the oh side that youre willing to do anything, no line you wont cross, no principle you wont compromises, youll do anything to get the thing you want, you know you will not have that thing for very long. And that is the perfect symbol of whats happened with this entire ideological takeover. The party capitulated to the matt gaetzs of the world and the progeny of donald trump. Now they are in their theyre in their ring. They have all the power and its bonkers. Yeah. It is bonkers. Willie, john is so right. He wanted it to too much. You cant ever want a position that much. You cant give away everything youve set yourself up for failure. It is one of the things i learned in Congress Early on when some Senior Member wanted to appoint me to run a task force and i had an aid look it over and say, well, you cant do this unless youre set up to succeed. They have you set up to fail. And it was a really great lesson. You dont run and jump at the first offer. You wait when that offer comes in. You have an ability to actually succeed at the tasks that you want to succeed at. Kevin mccarthy, we all knew it and we all said it in realtime, was so desperate to be Speaker Of The House that he set himself up for failure. Boy, it melted down yesterday. Yeah. You want a job so bad but what is the job exactly . He was set up for his speakership to be hell in the hands of one member. Thats exactly what happened yesterday. One member took him out, got seven other people to come with him. And jen, part of What Mccarthy needed to survive because of that, because he knew he didnt have enough republican votes from this insurgent group, he needed democrats to help him out. John just did a good job detailing the reasons why democrats ultimately said, you know what, were not going to save you on this. You just opened an Impeachment Inquiry, you authorized an Impeachment Inquiry into President Biden with no evidence that he did anything whatsoever. Mccarthy, you walked away from a deal we had on the budget, on and on and on. They said, you know what, were not going to save your job. You have to put in the work and build a relationship for us to do that. And they said, no. Yeah. I was on the hill yesterday and talked to a lot of moderate democrats and asked them, was this a tough call on your part to not back mccarthy because arguably chaos is not good and they make it they may end up with a worse speaker than mccarthy. And everyone said, no. It was clear from the start that the Democratic Caucus was united. It wasnt petty partisanship. He was mean to us on face the nation. It was we cant trust this guy. We made deals with him, he walks away. They made the deal in the spring to pass a debt limit on spending. He walked away from that. They just realized ultimately we cant save Kevin Mccarthy. I think as a practical matter it would not have worked if democrats yesterday started voting for Kevin Mccarthy, what would have happened . I think republicans would have walked away from him. Right . House democrats cannot prop up a republican speaker. That ultimately was never going to work. Hey, jen, lets really quickly here lets talk about what you just said about Kevin Mccarthy not being able to be trusted. All the b. S. You hear coming out of washington, d. C. And all the b. S. You hear coming from talk shows and podcasts and everything else. You would think that everybody in congress and washington lies to each other and everybody in congress and everybody in washington hates each other. Its all show biz. For the most part they dont. Now, members of their own party hate each other. Its a very weird thing. You know, find two strong senators from the same state, they always they always hate each other but theyll smile and hug each other. Its competition. Again, going back to a Lesson Learned in congress. I remember very explicitly a guy went up on the floor offering an amendment after promising in the conference he wasnt going to do it. That guy was toast for the rest of his career. Nobody, nobody would trust that guy because you can say theres honor among thieves. But its like being a lawyer in a small town. You dont lie to another lawyer. Because if you lie to another lawyer, nobody in that Legal Community will ever trust you again. So, it is a strange thing that Kevin Mccarthy made so many promises that members of both parties say he didnt keep. You cant survive that. You just cant survive it. Politics aside, you have to keep your word on the hill because its a very small boat everybody is rowing in. And you know, two of the republicans who voted against him, nancy mace and tim, i interviewed both of them. They voted for him 15 times to be speaker in january. Each of them walked away. Tim was really upset about spending. He aels about the cr deal and just about spending in general and didnt see it getting under control. He was on cnn on tuesday night and said he needed to pray over his decision about whether or not he was going to vote for mccarthy. And mccarthy called him the next day and was condescending, so did the lord answer your prayer. Sure did. Sure did. I am not voting for you. Nancy mace felt like she had been misled by him on a number of issues including issues related to post roe abortion. And those two walked away from him as well for very different reasons. Yep. Well, we have a lot to get to here, including donald trump having a gag order issued on him. That case going from bad to worse for him. But well back in 60 seconds. And when we come back in 60 seconds, im going to have David Drucker take us inside the republican conference, tell us what happened last night and also tell us who is in lain to be the next speaker of the. Thats in 60 seconds. Next speat thats in 60 seconds conquer financial reports. Conquer 2000word essays. Conquer 300 thankyou notes. Rule over what you write with the smooth writing, longest lasting gel ink pen in america. Do you g2 . I dont have a lot of advice for my house colleagues other than this, follow your heart. But take your brain with you. The American People