Fraud case, with cameras capturing his first time at the defendant table. What he could lose in the 250 milliondollar trial. Then, Kevin Mccarthys house in chaos, with a process beginning on a vote to bounce him from the speakership. Then, with more challenges across the country, Banned Books Week comes at a critical time. The man at the end of the Reading Rainbow, levar burton, is here, as the 11th hour gets underway on this monday night. Good evening once again. I am stephanie ruhle, live from Msnbc Headquarters here at 30 rock center. While the twice impeached former president who is already facing 91 criminal charges, well, he appeared in a New York City courtroom at the Defense Table flanked by his lawyers for day one in his civil trial. It is the first of many court cases looming over trumps 2024 campaign. But this one puts his company and his image at stake. Nbcs Laura Jarrett has the latest. Reporter tonight, donald trump once again in a courtroom, with the fate of his Business Empire now on trial. Today in court, we will prove our case. Reporter new York Attorney general Letitia James accusing mr. Trump, his sons, eric and don jr. , and his namesake company, the Trump Organization, of exaggerating the value of his real estate properties, including trump tower, maralago, and 40 wall street, by over two billion dollars, to receive better loan terms from banks. No matter how powerful you are, no matter how much money you think you may have, no one is above the law. Reporter just outside the courtroom doors, the former president attacking james, a democrat, for bringing the civil suit. Every time they give me a fake indictment, i go up in the polls. Reporter and going after the judge, who is also a democrat. They have a rogue judge who is worth a tiny fraction, one in 100 a tiny fraction of what they actually are. Translator the republican frontrunner arguing the banks were not victims of fraud, and blasting the suit as Election Interference. Theyre wasting everybodys time for many months on this case, where banks got paid a fortune. Loan money got paid money back. Didnt even need that money. Reporter but the judge already rejected that argument pointing out the state only needed to prove his Financial Statements were false and misleading, and mr. Trumps, quote, clearly contained fraudulent evaluations. The key issues now left for trial, who is to blame for that fraud, and how much should be paid as a penalty . In a Deposition Video played today, mr. Trump suggested checking the accuracy of Financial Statements, the task of his longtime chief Financial Officer and codefendant. Allen weisselberg, was he the sponsor for that . I would say yes. Should blame allen. That was never before seen Deposition Video of trump discussing his companys former top money man, allen weisselberg, who has already been convicted and jailed for tax fraud. The prosecution also released Deposition Video from weisselberg and former trump lawyer and fixture, a man you know very well from this network, michael cohen. Mr. Trump would call allen, i in the interview office, and he said he was worth six billion dollars. Well, he wanted to be higher on the forbes list. And he then said, im actually not worth six billion. I am worth seven in fact, i think its actually now worth eight, with everything thats going on. Allen and i would take in the assets, increasing each of those assets, in order to accommodate that Eight Billion Dollar number. Tell me everything you know about gap . What is gap . A county principles i dont know what is in gap. I never took the cpa exam. I never studied for it. So, i dont know all the various components of what cap is. Are there any components you know about what gap is . Not really, no. Yes, you heard that right. That was trumps longtime cfo, who was his fathers cfo, saying he never actually took the cpa exam. And even michael cohen, who said we were in charge of inflating the value of the asset classes, that is no such thing. You increase the value of an asset, not an asset class. It was a honkytonk rodeo of nonsense, and potentially, a crime. New York Attorney general Letitia James was also in court today and she will be there tomorrow, according to a person familiar with her plans. Meanwhile, doj special counsel jack smith is backing up his request for a narrow gag order on trump himself. He added a new court filing, setting trumps remarks about executing general mark milley, smith is also asking the court to reject trumps lawyers bid to push back deadlines in the Election Interference trial. We have a lot to cover, so, lets get smarter with the help of our leadoff panel. Guess what . It is ladies night at 30 rock. Susanne craig is here, pulitzer prizewinning Investigative Reporter for the New York Times who has reported on trumps finances for years. Kristy greenberg, former assistant District Attorney at the manhattan District Attorneys office. She is now an msnbc legal analyst. And kristy greenberg, a former federal prosecutor and former sdny Criminal Division deputy chief. Susanne, you were in the courthouse today, both trump and Letitia James where there. You have known donald trump for years. You have reported on him for years. What was it like . I need, just to see him come in and sit down in the defendants chair as a starting point. It was something that starts with his business. You know, that was, that covering it, just to see it all come into the courtroom today. He was pretty angry when he came in, and he sat most of the day with his arms crossed, conferring with his lawyers. But it was not happy to be there. And his son was behind him. And the Attorney General sat there, just quietly looking ahead, watching it all play out. It was theater just to see it all kind of Come Together In The Room today. But he did not have to be there. He did not. He chose to be there. Why do you think it was there . It is a show. Number one, i do think this is personally, for all of the cases, even the ones that could send him to prison, this is the one that hurts him the most, because this is his identity. But i also think it was to show his fan club, his base, its for his politics, his campaign. But i also, i do also think that anger was real because, you know, Attorney General james was now showing hes not their wealthiest man alive. Hes not gonna be in the forbes list higher. It is all a fraud. So, and if he loses his business, thats his identity, and his two adult sons who are also part of the business. If the Attorney General winds, and a wind will also be in appeals because it will be appealed. He, donald trump, will have to pay his organization 250 million for the profits that they unjustly obtained. He, if the judge agrees to this, and his two adult sons will be barred for life in new york of ever being in office or director of a company. Trump and his Trump Organization for five years will no longer be allowed to make commercial real estate transactions. Thats what they do. So, this is very important to donald trump that he wins this case. Last week was a loss because his businesses lost their certificates. Thats a big deal. No certificates, really, no business. But if it goes farther, and the attorney genalpres the rest of the councils complaint, its basically the end of the trump business in New York State. Okay, in New York State. He basically does not exist in New York State anymore, though. He is now domicile in florida. So, can he just move everything there . I dont believe so. The certificates to operate his businesses, like trump tower, his properties that are based in new york, you need a certificate to be able to operate those in new york. I dont think its that simple. But it will be very interesting. I do think he is watching this. And, you know, it is not a great strategy, if you have a judge not a jury trial to bash the judge before the trial, and called him deranged, say he needs to be disembark, saying he should be criminally investigated. But thats what he did today. So that says to me, he may think his already lost this round. Maybe he is just looking for a hope and a prayer on appeal. But he is there more because he cares about the court of Public Opinion, and not necessarily what goes on in this courtroom. Can we talk about the court of Public Opinion . Because what he was saying on the Courthouse Steps has nothing to do with whats happening in the courthouse. Right . Hes out there ranting and raving about how wealthy he is and the value of his business. That was already established a week ago when the judge found him guilty of inflating his assets and committing fraud. I think you would still see him make that argument in court. But i think one of the things that did play out, and you are right about the appeals, one of the things that was playing out in court. There was a few audiences that were being addressed today. One of them was, Donald Trumps main lawyer, got up multiple times, and in his remarks was setting the record for things that will be heard at the Appeals Court. For example, you know, their argument is that 80 of this was actually, the case was already tossed out on appeal. And theres an argument about the timeframe and what should be let in and what the timeframe is, should the cut off be this year, for that year . And he was correcting the record on a lot of things. And then, the other audience i felt today, i think the judge is maybe the third audience, but the second one was, there is another attorney that got up in court today. And she went off on like, she was almost yelling in terms of her remarks. It was incredible to hear. And she was going about the value, for example, of maralago, she was saying it was worth more than 1 million dollars. Already the thing that the judge ruled on in this fraud, he says i did i want to hear more of that. He already had a ruling last week on that issue. And then she said to the judge, you and your remarks said that the resort is worth 18 million. And he actually went back and forth and corrected her, he said i never said that. Read the ruling. It doesnt say that. The improper valuations that were put on that amount. The judge did not say that was the amount. He hasnt done an appraisal. She was just getting things wrong, and the judge was quick he wasnt getting them wrong because they were honest but this is what donald trump does. He repeats a lie until its passed the industry that sit. She did not get them wrong because she did not know, she knew better. She knew what the judge ruled last week. And donald trump actually knows the value of his assets, right . All of this is rooted in the value of his brand that he has been bsing for 20 years, right . When he was and institutional for deutsche bank, he said to them, oh, my grand value is now worth ex. They told him to go take a hike. So, he found a private bank or on the other side of the building, whos gonna believe his bs. And it worked. So, what are the consequences for a lawyer who stands up in front of his courthouse and just tells blatant lies . Well, there is no consequences for donald trump. But lawyers, because that was an opening statement, it basically was her giving a press she is also, i think, his Press Spokesperson for these cases. She is a real lawyer, but she also acts as his press the person. Her name is miss hubba. Forgot her first name. So, you cant, in court, there was a professional responsibility, make arguments that you knowingly know are not based in law and facts. You just cant make that. You can make arguments, you know, all of us who have tried cases could step on that line. But if you know for a fact that its not based on law and facts, youre not supposed to make that. So, she might be dealing with issues after this trial. So, hopefully, she is getting paid well. And his lawyers were fined last week as part of that notion for partial but they were fine for the grant there is a consequences, there will be a consequence at the end of this for donald trump. He is facing potentially, you know, a receiver has been put over the business. And theres gonna potentially be a fine. It could be 250, it could be 300, it could be 300 million. We dont know what the amount is yet. Right now, thats why i say its all over, this is the Discouragement Face right now, not fraud issues already been decided. And now they have to bring in and theyre going to have experts at the end to talk about what the damages should be on the discouragement. I mean, that is where we are at. And the strategy to come in and start yelling at the judge, and this is the judge that decided last week that the fraud thing is already settled. And now, theyre not only in court badgering him, but they are on the steps of the courthouse saying, you know, very, very she was doing that for her client, donald trump. For sure, he was sitting there, loving it. He was just putting on a show. Donald trump was nodding and smiling. He was very pleased with her performance. Performance. I want to share a little bit more of what he said earlier today. Watch this. As you know, we are not entitled to a jury, which is pretty unusual in the United States of america. So, i think it is very unfair that i dont have a jury. For fact sake, Donald Trumps lawyers made that decision not to have a jury. How does he get away with this . Well, they are at least, he is not under oath. So the interesting part, do i think we are going to really want to see this, whether he takes the stand. I cannot imagine any criminal Defense Attorney allowing him to take the stand and actually answer questions and not invoke the fifth amendment. I know it was a post twice, the first time he took the fifth, a number of times, most of the time. And then the second time he did answer questions, and it did not go too well for him. And this judge said, all of your defenses from that deposition have no basis in fact or law. So, hes not going to convince this judge that his defenses that he did not have the intent to defraud, and that his false statements were not material, those are really the two issues at this trial. Hes not going to convince this judge otherwise. The question is, does he want to try and make a record for appeal . I dont think so. I think it would be too perilous. There is still potentially a pending Criminal Investigation into valuation issues from the manhattan District Attorney. He gets on the stand. I just think it could go very badly for him. You show in one property, and you say, okay, here is a value that is a low value thats going to help you avoid tax liability, and a high value thats going to help you get along that you want from the bank. And you show him example after example where it is just egregious where he played both sides. Where he played both sides. How you come back from that . You cant say, well, i did not intend to the front. I did not know. Theres too many examples. And they certified these statements were accurate. Okay, so, lets say he doesnt take the stand. And he just continues to put on this show. How does the Prosecutor Deal with that . I will just say, i hope the judge changes his mind and allows cameras into the courtroom im into that. Do i get a vote . This is not a criminal trial. I have to worry about the jury. People can see the truth. So, donald trump cant come out and say this happened, but people say, i just saw it. You are lying. So, you can come out because no one, other than our great reporters, are there who can come out and say. Its better if the people see what actually is happening in the courtroom. We are out of time. But we will be in the courtroom tomorrow, hopefully. Got, wouldnt it be great if cameras were and there but until then, susanne will be. Susanne craig, catherine christian, and kristy greenberg. Thank you, all. When we come back, do you remember this tense moment . 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