built on lies? the former president on trial for fraud lashing out repeatedly at the judge and new york's attorney general with his flagship properties and his family business at stake. could he lose it all? go ahead and try, house speaker mccarthy says a defiant message who want him out. california's governor, gavin newsom has made his pick. who's replacing the late senator dianne feinstein and what candidates running for that same seat have to say about her. and back on the bench, the supreme court opening a new term with major cases on social media and free speech on the docket. our nbc news reporters are following all of the latest developments. we begin with lisa rubin outside the manhattan courthouse where former president trump is in court for his civil fraud trial. i think one thing that was immediately apparent was trump's anger and i wonder what you saw and what you think at least how it compares to previous court appearances where you've seen him? >> well, chris, i have now been in courtrooms for each of the cases that areacing former president trump. i also sat through a trial earlier this spring that he didn't even bother to show up at. and this oneimarly is a civil trial. trump was under no oblation to come. as you noted he is much angrier than i recall him in florida, when he was indicted criminally on multiple count of obtaining and then hoarding classified documents, a case that could compromise his liberty. the fact that trump is all the more emotional about his financial empire, his value as a businessman than he is about potentially losing his liberty in some respects tells you everything you need to know about donald trump, that what he cares most about isn't the potential threat of jail. it's his standing in the larger american imagination, and we're seeing that today in full voice, chris. >> lisa rubin, thank you. we continue to see these pictures. that was a brief time that a camera was allowed in. we're also getting court sketches in for the first time from the court sketch artist inside. so we'll keep you posted on what we see when they go back into session. let's go to capitol hill now where a battle is heating up over the speaker's seat. nbc's sahil kapur joins us from capitol hill. you were in with a group of reporters as kevin mccarthy spoke. what did he have to say? >> reporter: that's right, chris. one thing mccarthy said in the gaggle with reporters moments ago was that he has not cut any side deal with president biden on the issue of ukraine aid, trying to rebut one of the main accusations that congressman matt gaetz has been making as a basis for removing him from the speakership. now, gaetz still has not triggered that motion to vacate, although he indicates it could be coming on later this week. he indicates it's unacceptable for speaker mccarthy to rely on democratic votes to fund the government as he did in the shocking turnover over the weekend. gaetz won't guarantee he has the votes to remove mccarthy as speaker, and doesn't say he should be speaker when pressed about him. gaetz has maintained he would be willing to go to as many as 15 ballots to remove mccarthy as speaker in the first place. mccarthy has dialed up his push back on gaetz. he's not taking this lying down anymore. he and gaetz have had a war of words lately. let's play what those two have said. >> i'm pointing to specific things that kevin agreed to that he hasn't complied with. he's just trying to subjugate his real and significant breaches of our agreement as a personal dispute. that says more about him than what we're trying to do to change washington. >> i'm going to focus on the work i'm supposed to do. i think this is a question to the institution itself. i know in the past the other leaders together always believed this should never be in play. i'm not worried about it. >> reporter: now, chris, the first question for matt gaetz is whether he has at least five republican votes to remove speaker mccarthy. without that, all of that is moot, and mccarthy wouldn't respond when i asked him a moment ago whether he's confident that gaetz doesn't have the five votes. the second question if gaetz does muster five votes, what did democrats do. they could have a crucial role here. there are discussions happening among democrats as to whether they should entertain the idea of bailing out speaker mccarthy either by voting against gaetz' motion or voting present, which would lower the threshold and allow mccarthy to continue with fewer numbers of republican votes. at the end of the day, chris, this all comes as congress has six and a half weeks to fund the government after the short-term deal. what we saw this weekend as difficult as it was, that was the easy part. what comes next in the appropriations battle is going to be much tougher, and it looks like we may have a speaker's battle on our hands when that happens. >> that was the easy part. thank you, sahil kapur. appreciate it. lawmakers are getting ready to welcome a new senator after california governor gavin newsom announced his pick to fill dianne feinstein's seat. ryan nobles is following that. there was a lot of controversy, a lot of anticipation. give us the back story and what are you hearing from members on the hill? >> reporter: i think there's a mix of both excitement about the appointment of laphonza butt -- butler as the next senator of california. in her capacity as the person in charge of emily's list, which is an advocacy group that seeks to promote women in support of reproductive rights but statement there's a bit of anxiety because this was an appointment that gavin newsom at one point said he was going to appoint someone who is a care taker, this was someone who is not going to get an advantage in the upcoming race to replace feinstein should she leave her seat before the end of her term, and of course there's already quite a bit of a battle for the democratic nomination in that race. adam schiff is running for it. katie porter, as is barbara lee, also an african-american. newsom made the promise that he was going to appoint an african-american woman to the seat should it come to that. barbara lee and her supporters hoped he would pick her. this is how she responded to the appointment of butler earlier today. >> with regard to laphonza, i wish her well. it would have been great because i did want to build the vacancy if that occurred. listen, we have to focus on what we're doing, and i'm running very seriously. >> reporter: so this obviously complicates the matters in california. butler was praised for her work as an advocate, and many people feel excited about her taking on the job. the open question is she going to stick in the senate and not worry about the campaign, step aside or is she going to jump head first into it. if that's the case, chris, she's going to have to get campaigning quickly. many candidates who are in the race have been on the ground for quite a while and raised millions of dollars. california perhaps the most expensive state in the country to run sate wide. chris. >> ryan nobles, thank you. let's go to the supreme court now because the term started today and justices will hear a case on social media with major first amendment implications. cnbc's morgan brennan joins me for cnbc on msnbc. >> this is going to be a key decision that will determine free speech guidelines. on friday, the supreme court agreed to hear whether state laws regulating social media companies violate the constitution, and here's what's at stake, texas and florida passed laws in 2021 that bar the biggest social media platforms from removing posts based on the viewpoints they express, with some already existing legal exceptions. supporters argue that these laws are needed to combat censorship, whether it's the removal of posts expressing views on, for example, the pandemic or claims of election fraud or even decisions by platforms like facebook and twitter to bar president trump after the january 6th riots. the law's opponents which are led by two tech trade groups argue the first amendment prevents the government from telling private companies whether and how to disseminate speech. it all comes at a time when the influence of speech companies on society is being hotly debated. you've got republicans critical of moderation decisions. democrats claiming not enough is done to prevent the spread of hateful speech. how the supreme court rules could have nationwide repercussions for how social media and really all web sites display user generated content. if the court upholds the laws, for example, that could open the door to more state legislation requiring platforms like facebook or you tube or tiktok to treat content in specific ways within certain jurisdictions. this has made it to the supreme court, which is blocked enforcement of the laws in the meantime, after two federal appeals courts divided on their rulings. this will be among the most prominent of the supreme court's new term, and the ruling, though, is not likely to come until next year, chris. >> morgan brennan, thank you so much. still ahead, he spent years bragging about his wealth. can donald trump afford to lose his new york fraud case. i'll talk to the investigative journalist who has covered his financial situation for years. that's next. we're back in 60 seconds. 60 secs this is spring semester at fairfield-suisun unified. they switched to google tools for education because there's never been a reported ransomware attack on a chromebook. now they're focused on learning knowing that their data is secure. ( ♪♪ ) we're seeing some action at the courthouse. we just saw, in fact, our cameras did, new york attorney general letitia james walking back into the courthouse. she and donald trump were very very close sitting in that courtroom this morning. we've not seen him return yet. but it all begs the question, what is trump tower without trump? well, the former president is, indeed, at new york city's courthouse, facing the very real prospect that he could be barred from doing business in the very city where he built that business, hosting a tv show. trump tower, 40 wall street, trump park avenue and his west chester golf club. as we see him, he just walked back into the courtroom. i want to bring in pulitzer prize winning investigative journalist david k. johnson, he has been reporting on trump's financial situation literally for decades and is author of the book, "the big cheat," how donald trump fleeced america and enriched himself and his family. also with us, coanchor of pbs news hour, and msnbc political contributor, geoff bennett. david, let me start with you. the judge had given the trump organization as you put it cleverly, the corporate death penalty. i don't know how much you've had time to watch what donald trump has been doing this morning, but he's spoken as vividly as i've heard him, as angrily as i have seen him, what do you think as someone who has covered him so closely for so long is going on? >> well, your correspondent got it exactly correct. donald is absolutely livid because donald is his money. that's the most important thing to understand. and it's the reason he inflates the size of his money. when he announced he was running for president in 2015, he said he was worth more than $10 million. when he became president, he had to file his ethics form. he first asked if he could sign it, submit it without signing it under penalty of perjury, his net worth fell by 70%, and even those were pretty inflated values. donald just makes these things up. he creates his own reality. >> i guess, then, that leads us to, doesn't it, david, the question of the courts, and reality is reality. you don't get to -- you can make your argument, but the truth is the truth, right? >> this was the key point in the judge's decision that trump going around and saying, oh, everybody knows you can't believe my financial statements and other remarks, that doesn't cut it in the real world. he, in fact, described that as a fantasy, and so donald as of right now is not in business. he has lost his business licenses and the trump organization is eyes wide open, blind trust, and all of the 500 or so entities underneath, they are no longer in business under donald trump. a court-appointed monitor will operate those businesses until there's a final resolution, which will be a transfer of those, a liquidation of them, probably at fire sale prices to other parties. >> geoff, you covered the trump white house, i want to get your reaction to reporting in the courtroom. michael cohen, we all know as the one time fixer, then turned trump attacker, witness for the prosecution, trump was reportedly staring intently at that video of michael cohen being played and many times shaking his head. and then in his opening trump's lawyer called cohen a serial liar. but what must it be like for donald trump, who prizes loyalty overall, to know that a series of people who he thought were loyal to him are going to get on the stand likely and say that he is the serial liar? >> one imagines, chris, that it's deeply unnerving for the former president. donald trump's perceived financial success is key to his public image. it was really the core appeal of his candidacy in 2016 and even today when i do reporting trips and go to the reddest of red counties and talk to people who still support donald trump, they say they support him because in their view, he's not a politician. he's a successful businessman who's going to leverage his business skills and acumen to their benefit. this is of course after he was in the white house for four years and held the highest office in the land. so this case risks showing to the american people once and for all that for all of the talk and the bluster that that was really just a facade or to quote the judge in this case, that donald ump and his codefendants are liable for persistent and repeated fraud. and setting aside a second the perception problems, to david's point, there are real dollars and cents problems here for the former president because as david mentioned in a prior ruling, the trump organization's business certificates were cancelled, which means we'll have to see how this plays out, there could be appeals and other things, but that could spell the end of the trump organization as we know it, and if the attorney general gets what she wants in this case, the $250 million judgment, which could be even higher than that, the receiver who will effectively be in charge of the trump organization, would likely have to sell off assets in order to pay that fine, and in order to pay creditors. so the trump building on fifth avenue that served as backdrop for the apprentice and the kickoff for the 2016 campaign, and where donald trump once lived before he changed his residency to florida, that could potentially no longer be his. you can see why for the former president, this poses an existential threat. >> many of the things this judge looked at and will have to consider are things that you have detailed over the years, like why there are ten stories mysteriously missing from trump tower. tell us about some of the things that would seem obvious to almost anyone but will play into whatever decision is ultimately made by this judge. >> well, donald has claimed that his mansion and the surrounding property in west chester county are worth $290 million. there's never been a house in america sold for that kind of money. the highest appraisal he has is 30 million, that's on the assumption he could carve up the real estate and put up seven or eight mansions. local authorities said you cannot carve up the land to put more mansions, the property is worth something closer to $10 million. that means maybe 29, 30 times the actual value is what trump claimed. you're exactly right about the claiming trump towers 68 stories when it's 58 stories. he's also said mar-a-lago is worth hundreds of millions of dollars. the judge put a range around 20 million. and there's no way it's worth hundreds of millions of dollars. it doesn't have the revenue from the weddings and the business meetings, and the hotel guests there to support that. >> you sound and we're really out of time, but i can only give you 30 seconds, david. you sound supremely confident about the way this trial is going to go. >> yes, because the only issue here is the damages. the judge has already found donald trump is a fraudster. a persistent fraudster, just as another judge found that he is a rapist. and all that will be decided here is how much does the state of new york get in the disgorgement of ill-got gains from that fraud. >> david k. johnston, geoff bennett, more to come. thank you, gentlemen. appreciate you taking the time with me on the show. is america becoming numb to a crisis. what google trends reveal as the country was hurdling toward a possible government shutdown. t possible government shutdown but just ok isn't ok. and i was done settling. if you still have symptoms after a tnf blocker like humira or enbrel, rinvoq is different and may help. rinvoq is a once-daily pill that can dramatically relieve ra and psa symptoms, including fatigue for some. it can stop joint damage. and in psa, can leave skin clear or almost clear. rinvoq can lower your ability to fight infections, including tb. serious infections and blood clots, some fatal; cancers, including lymphoma and skin cancer; death, heart attack, stroke, and tears in the stomach or intestines occurred. people 50 and older with at least one heart disease risk factor have higher risks. don't take if allergic to rinvoq as serious reactions can occur. tell your doctor if you are or may become pregnant. done settling? 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>> i'm afraid that the genie is out of the bottle. you know, chris, the pew research group just came out and said only 4% of the american people feel that our political system is very functional. 4%. that should be 94%. not 4. so we have a long ways to go on convincing people that government is good and not the enemy. now, donald trump represents the big middle finger to america's political institutions. he wants to shatter what he calls the deep state, but basically wants to unmask and unravel the state department, cia, fbi, it's a big problem. on the left, they're trying to really warn people about something like climate change. but half the country doesn't want to take it on. so we're in a kind of conundrum right now. we're stuck in the middle. i think it began in the 1990s, chris, with the shutdowns during the clinton years that the republicans orchestrated and now things like a government shutdown. people just shrug and say so what, been there, heard that before. impeachment of donald trump, it happened twice, so it happens to joe biden. who cares. there's a malaise across the land, and i think the only answer to what merrick garland was talking about on "60 minutes" was civic education. we got to get into the schools and teach about government, teach object, you know, the judicial department and what we do at the executive branch, what's the role of congress. people don't know, so they're left to social media and entertainment as their guiding lights in the united states. >> the obvious problem with that, doug, and i'm not saying that i disagree with you is some of the biggest fights we've seen are over what should be taught in school and what even constitutes a fact. >> well, good point. i would say that i'm not sure the book banning in florida where it largely was taking place is indicative of a national desire for civics. i think the idea of teaching about the u.s. government in our foundational documents like the constitution bill of rights might be met in public schools. it probably has to go state by state. but i just know that young people today have no sense of their geography. we don't have a military service anymore, so we don't have the shared experience. yes, we saw biden try to create a climate core, and things to bring young people together, but generation z and millennials are upbeat in some ways about their futures, but they give political systems a thumb's down. if we can't get young people, talented young people to run for city council or mayor or the senate, then we're kind of going to be a truncating growth of american democracy, not just here in the united states, but around the world because we must through our school system develop fighters for our democratic principles and i'm afraid we're not doing that right now. >> doug brinkley, i love having you on the program. thank you. to have these kinds of important conversations. thanks for coming on. appreciate it. >> thank you, always, chris. enjoy. still ahead, a surprising move from supreme court justice clarence thomas, why for the first time he's decided to recuse himself from a case involving january 6th. h. and this pro with the perfect slice. and if we profer it, we know america will too. what about spaniards? 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>> reporter: something to keep in mind there. a separate situation, separate companies working on a deal there with the uaw, but what the uaw could potentially be benefitting from by getting that out of way is they may not now need to devote strike funding to those workers. so that means that they have a larger war chest, if you will, to devote to the ongoing strike with the big three against stellantis, general motors and ford. what has been a key point of this strategy from the union throughout this strike has been that they are targeting specific plants. they're not sharing until the last minute where those updated strike sites are going to be, and they're trying to keep the companies guessing. what they're also doing is utilizing just a fraction of their total big three work force. right now, roughly a fifth. less than a fifth of big three uaw workers are on strike, and that means they are causing a disruption production, bringing attention to their cause, but doing so without having to pay as many workers strike benefits every week, and so that could potentially allow the union to prolong a strike and keep it going and pressure the companies for a longer period of time. the latest on the negotiations is the stalemate continues. stellantis got a pass on friday from the latest strike expansion. you see they've got picketers out here, people honking horns, driving by here. ford and gm have the strike against them. that was in stark contrast to a week earlier when ford got a pass on the latest round of striking. the uaw tells me they believe ford has gone backwards in negotiations. ford's ceo believes the union is largely holding up a deal at this point over electric vehicle battery plants. evs are something underpinning these negotiations, a concern throughout. and evs have the potential to not require as many jobs to be built. that's something forward looking that is potentially, you know, an inflection point for this industry at large, chris. >> jesse kirsch on a warm obviously october day in streetsburg, ohio, thank you so much, jesse, appreciate it. a milestone moment for america's oldest living president. jimmy carter celebrated his 99th birthday seven months after he entered hospice care. a display on the white house lawn and a personal message from the current president. >> mr. president, happy birthday, pal. i've known a lot of presidents as you have, but i admire you because you have such incredible integrity, character and determination, and i just hope i can be one-half the president you've been. god love you, happy birthday, pal. >> at the carter center in atlanta, 99 new american citizens took the oath of allegiance as part of a naturalization ceremony timed for jimmy carter's birthday. still ahead, new concerns about whether emergency rooms across the country are prepared to treat children and the devastating consequences of hospitals that aren't well equipped to care for them. equipped to care for them. at humana, we believe your healthcare should evolve with you, and part of that evolution means choosing the right medicare plan for you. humana can help. with original medicare you're covered for hospital stays and doctor office visits, but you'll have to pay a deductible for each. a medicare supplement plan pays for some or all of your original medicare deductibles, but they may have higher monthly premiums and no prescription drug coverage. humana medicare advantage prescription drug plans include medical coverage, plus prescription drug coverage. and coverage for dental, vision, and hearing, all wrapped up into one convenient plan. plus, there's a cap on your out-of-pocket costs! humana has large networks of doctors, hospitals and specialists across 49 states. so, call or go online today and get your free decision guide. humana - a more human way to healthcare. the ball is out and there's a pile-up. -let's go! -get in the pile! ugh, i'll deal with this tomorrow. you won't. it's ripe in here. my eyes are watering. i'm a busy man. look how crusty this is. shameful. ugh, it's just too much. not with this. tide. tide can tackle any pile. that a tackle pun? 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>> well, we've actually known through multiple studies since at least 2015, chris, and it is quite disturbing. i was the director at the pediatric icu early in my career, and obviously time is of the essence, every situation of a child who comes to the emergency room and is very sick or need to be admitted, especially for intensive care. the solutions are actually surprisingly straightforward. one is to make sure that the hospital staff, nurses and especially physicians are periodically upgraded about their pediatric emergency response skills. this is something that is really great with adult patients, generally speaking but for children, and actually, it's amazing to me that a lot of adult trained doctors and nurses are intimidated when a young child and a small child comes into the emergency. and it seems like putting a breathing tube in the airway of a child is something that requires some special training. but that's doable. and part of that is just not a priority for most of the hospitals because one of the things i think would be worthwhile doing is for parents of children, especially small children to try to figure out where their child would need to go in the event of a severe emergency, and i can tell you how parents can actually try to do that, but the data, and information as your reporter was just saying is not readily available, and people should go to the web site of the state health department, but in most states, they're not going to get much satisfaction there. they'll tell you where the children's hospital is but as far as the regular community hospitals have the capability of taking care of children, that information is hard to find, but it is fixable, chris. >> so i want to ask you really quickly because we're almost out of time, erwin. i'm going to read the statistic from melanie's great reporting, how do you know the best place to take your kid in an emergency. 25 states don't check pediatric preparedness at e.r.s. is there also a problem just with standards and meeting those standards? that seems to me like a baseline. >> it is a baseline, and there have been plenty of studies by physicians in hospitals who run organizations that have created those statistics that melanie reported and you just mentioned. the question is how did they get implemented and i think we need better incentives and better disincentives for hospitals that are not doing what they need to do to make sure children are protected. you know, ambulances and especially big cities will take the child to the closest hospital, whether they have pediatric training or not, and then people who live in rural areas are really quite stuck. it's very hard to find. but the more pressure that parents and medical groups put on legislatures and agencies, the more likely we are to get to someplace where we can help parents and ambulance systems about knowing where to go with their sick kids. the other one quick point, chris, is that parents should keep a list of any preexisting medical conditions that their babies or children may have, and make sure they know what medications their kid are on so that information can be available where the child who's very sick ends up. >> the story is revealing. melanie evans, thank you for reporting it. i recommend people read it. dr. irwin redlener, your expertise is invaluable as always. we have new details in the case of a january 6th rioter caught on camera calling on those around him to steal officers' weapons. his secret plea deal, and how long he'll spend behind bars. but first, simone biles made history again in his first international tournament since the 2021 olympics, she became the first female gymnast to perform a specific time of double pike vault and stuck the landing. it's now called the biles 2, the fifth gymnastics skill to be named after her, the fifth. we'll be right back. aleve. who do you take it for? 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