Lets get started. Tonight we begin with breaking developments on the burgeoning efforts to oust Kevin Mccarthy from his role of Speaker Of The House. This morning farright republican matt gaetz vowed to file a socalled motion to vacate. Thats a move to event the speaker. He says hes going to do that in the coming days. Saying, quote, we need to rebuff the bandaid. I think we need to move on with new leadership that can be trustworthy. According to politico, some house president conservatives predict there is at least a dozen gop members ready to support the motion to vacate against mccarthy. Now to Progressive Democrats have indicated their support as well. Shortly after the announcement from gaetz, Congresswoman Alexdria ocasiocortez shows she would, quote, absolutely voted for a motion to vacate it. She left the door open in negotiations if mccarthy came to democrats for help. Also said its not up to democrats to save republicans from themselves. Just hours ago on this network, Congressman Ilhan Omar endorsed a motion to vacate. I cant wait to take the vote to vacate. I think its not a surprise to anyone that mccarthy and i have our own issues. Its essentially an issue of governance. We know that mccarthy has not been able to contain with now, it should come as no surprise that matt gaetz is leading this effort. As we said. He has been a thorn in mccarthys side since before mccarthy actually won the speakership in january. Gaetz repeatedly refused to back mccarthy during the speakers race. When he finally did, then he squeezed several concessions adam mccarthy. One of the concessions was lowering the threshold for filing a motion to vacate to just one house member. After months of dangling the threat over mccarthys head, gaetz says he is ready to move. Here is mccarthy responding to that threat just this morning. This is personal. He voted against the most conservative ability to protect our border and secure the border hes more interested in securing Tv Interviews and doing something. He wanted to push into a shut down. He even threatened his own district with all the military people there who had not been paid. Only because he wants to take this motion. So be a, to bring it on, lets get over with it. Lets start governing. Lets be clear for a moment. Regardless of what happens this week with the motion to vacate. Kevin mccarthy is losing control of his party theres no doubt about it. The warfare is open. After all it was the gop that almost caused the u. S. Government to shut down when the house finally passed the Stopgap Spending Measure it was because minority leader Hakeem Jeffries crowd the entire Democratic Caucus to support the bill. 90 hardline republicans voted against the deal despite a shutdown being just hours away. They were okay with it. And now with mccarthys speaker on the line it seems that democrats may have to come to the rescue yet again. Or they may have to Cut Mccarthy Loose once and for all. Joining me now to break all this down. Tara setmayer, the Senior Adviser in gop communications director. Jennifer reuben Washington Post opinion writer and an msnbc political analyst. Its great to have both of you with us. Ill start with, you know that the shutdown has been averted, the chaos surrounding Speaker Mccarthy is on full display its front and center. How much of this political future now rests in the democrats hands to save kevin kathy. , over the irony. If you wouldve asked me whether a republican Speaker Of The House would have to rely on the democrats to save his speakership. I would still tell you are living in alternate universe. We are in the area of trumpism. Kevin mccarthy has never really had control of the caucus. It took 15 rounds for him to get the gavel in the first place. Hes been a speaker since the day he got the gavel. This was inevitable. We know at some point this was going to come to a head. This personal belief between gaetz and mccarthy, a lot of it is performative for matt gaetz. Hes not exactly a pillar of political integrity here. Neither is mccarthy. For different reasons. Matt gaetz is a political nepo baby. Hes a spoiled brat. He likes to preen and gain attention. Hes not a serious person. I think that mccarthy this time may be outmaneuvering matt gaetz. Theres a lot of drama around this, yes. It further weakens him as a speaker. Ultimately, i dont think they can oust him. Whos going to replace him . Thats the only reason why mccarthy felt and voted to move forward with this department and the democrats. The democrats are sitting back laughing at this, saying okay, okay, we have a lot of hands here to play and thats on you guys. I think they couldnt find the republicans, they couldnt find someone as an alternative to mccarthy. Which is why he went forward with. This he knew he could call the vote. Whos going to replace . Me no one wants that job. I think thats what were looking at. Here thats why theyre calling their bluff. If it happens, matt gates loses even more credibility. Im not quite sure where his very bound kooks go after this play. Jennifer, it seems like the possibility of the motion to oust mccarthy could be an opportunity for the democrats because at the end of the day they could extract some concessions from mccarthy for him to retain his job if he gets some democrats to get him across the threshold and keep him as the Speaker Of The House. In some ways youd be making Hakeem Jeffries as the de facto Speaker Of The House. Some people have said Kevin Mccarthy as of yesterdays speaker in name only the problem with making a deal with Kevin Mccarthy, he cant keep the any of it. He could promise the moon and the stars to democrats and it would be worthless. It would be worthless coming from him and will be worthless coming from anyone else so i agree entirely new let the republicans do around this and figure it out. They can knock themselves out trying to find a replacement. Ultimately they wont there is now rumbling theyre going to try to expel matt gaetz based upon the criminal investigation thats going on that lead to an ethics investigation. This is what you get when you elected republicans. This is one long ad for democrats for 2024. This is what you get. At this point, theres only three things we know, one mccarthy never keeps his word, to mccarthy doesnt control his caucus and three the motions to vacate are pretty empty. So, we put all that together, democrats have washed their hands of this and let them play it out and theyre going to have to do the same thing over and over again no matter whos in that seat. Lets keep the country running and keep their wheels on the bus and hope for the best. But me ask you about aoc and omar and whether it was premature for them to go out and say they would vote to vacate mccarthy. First of all what do you think of them coming out and saying that smart politics are not so smart politics for type of split do you anticipate among democrats when it comes to ousting Kevin Mccarthy . Well, you have that progressive leftwing faction and they operate in their own island a little bit on some of these things. We saw some of that when nancy pelosi was Speaker Of The House and she had to rein them in a bit for them, that works for their constituencies and theres only a handful i dont think that speaker minority larry to jeffreys its in the zeitgeist already. I dont think that he is too worried about some of their comments. Thats what they do. Im not really as concerned about that what he needs to be more concerned about are the democrats who are in districts that are Swing Districts hes probably going to tell his caucus they can vote based on their district this is going to be a vote of conscience i dont know if theyre gonna come up with a strategy to save Kevin Mccarthy necessarily this is the same guy that opened up an impeachment investigation a Sham Impeachment Investigation Inquiry into President Biden. I dont know how much goodwill there actually is here this is not like the relationships decades ago of old here. They have a couple of plays. Good point, jennifer, let me get your thoughts not on the dynamic relationship between Kevin Mccarthy and matt gaetz we know how thats playing out with the personal animosity between the two of them. More importantly donald trump and Kevin Mccarthy because and doing what he did Kevin Mccarthy kind of Bucking Matt Gaetz hes bucking the maga extremists within his caucus and they ultimately answer to donald trump to some extent Kevin Mccarthy on the Singular Issue went against donald trump he wanted a Government Shutdown he made that clear in the Social Media Posts and he did not get the Government Shutdown. I think Kevin Mccarthy blows with the winds because donald trump blows with the wind when donald trump once an impeachment he gets that when he was telling them to shut down frankly Kevin Mccarthy for weeks was exactly where matt gaetz was. He didnt decide that he was going to be a responsible adult until yesterday when he finally decided he was going to put a bill on the floor. At times he acts and what he thinks will be a way that pleases donald trump hes gone on to Something Else at this point. Donald trump hasnt said anything that hes greatly disappointed the government to still operating. Im sure well talk about later in the show hes onto his next trial i dont think this is going to cause any rift between the two of them in Point Of Fact donald trump continually leads to Kevin Mccarthy around by the nose and into a culdesac hes become the weakest and most pathetic speaker in large part because he is not his own man. Its a good point. I have to ask you democratic senator John Fetterman released a statement friday criticizing the state of congress he wrote i voted to keep the government open but i am done normalizing this dysfunction. I had a chance to ask yesterday on this program senator jeff merkley and others about whether or not to the process by which the spending bills and others needs to be reformed given the way our politics and our hyperpartisanship has become. Whats not to equate both sides here republicans can hold congress hostage. Question, is does the process need to be reformed to something by annually as opposed to every year in order to not face this threat every year . It needs to rest with the American People. The voters need to send better people to congress that is the bottom line here we cant keep changing our system because there are all full members of congress who are negligent in their duty and the office. The American People need to start paying attention making decisions. If this is what they want to continue to go on in their house of representatives. We havent passed in normal order the 12 a push Appreciation Bill since 1997 this is a problem and its gone on year after year its used as a Political Tool and brinkmanship over and over again. Peoples lives are at stake. Peoples livelihoods are governance is at stake. I dont know if we need to change the system per se i think there needs to be consequences for the bad behavior. That rest with the American People at the ballot box. Tara Jennifer Police stick around. I will come back to a little bit later on in the hour after the break well be joined by democratic congresswoman Melanie Stansbury were will discuss Kevin Mccarthys future and republicans who held their first hearing in their evidence free Impeachment Inquiry. Stay with us. With us. With us. Liberty mutual customized my Car Insurance and i saved hundreds. With the money i saved, i started a dog walking business. I was a bit nervous at first but then i figured its just walking, right . [dog barks] oh. No its just a bunny calm down taco. Sit duchess. Stop sesame no no. Archie walter dont, no, ahhhh. Ahhhhh youre lucky youre so cute. Only pay for what you need. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Rsv is in for a surprise. Meet arexvy. the first fdaapproved rsv vaccine. Arexvy is used to prevent lower Respiratory Disease from rsv in people 60 years and older. Rsv can severely affect the lungs and lower airways. 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Ask you democratic senator John Fetterman released a statement friday criticizing the state of lets start by talking about what the near future could look like for Speaker Mccarthy, would you support a motion to vacate, him and it do you think this is an attempt by republicans to distract from the broader chaos within their party . Well it is absolutely an effort to distract from the complete lack of leadership and chaos that is happening within their party. But i do think there are factions within the republican conference that genuinely do want to take the speaker out. But you know, my message for mccarthy, is it is not our circus, and he is not our clown. We stand united behind Hakeem Jeffries, and you know, it is not up to democrats to bail him out. Hes got to work it out within his own conference. We dont even know what kind of procedural motions may come to the floor in the coming days or weeks. Its up to him to figure out how to manage his conference. For the members of our conference to have legitimate and serious leadership thats able to govern this country. Let me ask you about the short term spending bill. Obviously, it doesnt include funding for ukraine. That gave democrats on the senate side at least some pause there for a moment. The white house is focused on turning that around before mid november, earlier today President Biden said to stop playing games and actually get it done. What would you like to see moving forward . What does it look like in the short term . Well, we need to bring a bipartisan effort to the floor very quickly to fund our aid to ukraine. Its very clear that ukraine needs military support in its efforts to push back against the russian invasion. Its important for our democracy. I think what a lot of people need to understand is that this isnt just about ukraine and the safety and the sovereignty of that country. Of, course its very important. Its about the survival of western democracy. American engagement and support for ukrainian efforts is vital to the future of global democracy. We need to get a resolution to the house for quickly and get that aid to ukraine. We recently saw the other republican manufactured chaos and notably the House Ov