show, a government shutdown averted for now. the republican-led house is near disaster illustrates the dysfunction of our political system. isn't high time to try and fix it i will ask derek smallwell. plus how to dueling speeches from president biden and donald trump this week showed us exactly who they are and what's at stake in 2024. the gop's baseless impeachment hearing was so bad their star witness shut down their case against joe biden on day one. >> good evening, i'm mehdi hassan. we did in fact end up dodging a government shutdown this week. it would have been the 22nd shutdown in less than 50 years. after house democrats and the non crazy wing of the house gop came together at almost a last-minute yesterday to pass a plan that keeps the government funded existing levels while adding and money for disaster relief in tokyo from ukraine. he might want to write the date november 17th and your calendars. that's when the majority, quote, unquote runs out again. we do this entire dance all over again. what was passed yesterday in a hurry through the house and the senate and on the presidents desk for signature was a stopgap measure. a temporary fix and a band-aid which is ripped off in 45 days time. let's be clear. this is not a long term sustainable solution to our government funding problems. let's be clear, this is no way to run a government anywhere on earth let alone the richest most powerful country on earth. the country that prides itself on being the oldest democracy in the world. to quote that dress -- john fetterman a pennsylvania, hoodies and shorts infamy, i voted at 8:30 pm on a saturday night. that's my job. the american people should never have to worry about their government shutting down. pushing the snooze button solves nothing. the same losers will try to pull the same stuff in 45 days. i voted yes to keep the government open and i'm done normalizing this dysfunction. dysfunction is exactly the right word. we have a dysfunctional system of government. it doesn't work as it supposed to. yes, the gop is to blame for the last five shutdowns. they were to blame if the shutdown had happened to. the only reason the broken and anti-democratic republican party is able to even keep bringing us to the brink of government shutdowns, this one would've been the worst of, all the shutdown about nothing based on nothing for nothing. the only reason they even can do that is because they're able to exploit and leverage a broken and on democratic political system. see, there is no both sides when it comes to threats of government shutdowns, or debt ceiling hostage taking. that's on the extremist maga gop. both sides definitely have to take responsibility for defending and prolonging a broken dysfunctional undemocratic political system. sadly, democrats, in my view, have not come out forcefully enough for the type of reform that american democracy, especially, congress desperately needs. as harvard political scientist daniel ziegler and steve lewinsky explain and that tyranny of the minority, they explained on the show a couple weeks ago, minority rule has become the norm within american politics, especially on capitol hill. every point of the legislative process. minorities are able to block, impede, and obstruct. the whole reason we almost shut down the government this weekend is because, as the washington post noted, the hard right holdout and speaker mccarthy's gerrymandered conference represents 100 percent of the oppositions deal. just 2% of the population. just 2%. they almost brought the government of the richest country and in the history of the world to a shuddering halt. they could do so again just a few weeks from now. the political status quo as we saw this weekend is a joke. our country, i'm sorry to, say has become a laughing stock in the eyes of much of the rest of the world. during the january 2018 shut down, this is what china's jubilance state news agency wrote according to reuters. the western democratic system is held by the developed world as near perfect, under the most superior political system to run a country. however, what's happening in the night states today will make more people worldwide reflect on the viability and legitimacy of such a chaotic political system. i hate to say it, they were kind of right. chaos is no longer a bug in the u.s. system, it's a feature, a feature that's exploited and exacerbated by the chaos caucus within the house gop. tonight, we have to ask what's going to happen in 45 days time when we frustratingly and annoyingly ridiculously have to do this all again? is how speaker kevin mccarthy got a naval stand up to the far-right freedom caucus that clearly hates him? is even still going to be speaker commit october, flip around mid november. here at me to answer those questions is democratic congressman eric small of california. congressman, thank you for coming on the show tonight. what's going to happen in 45 days time? we hit mid november and you guys in congress do this late night dance all over again. what happens? it's embarrassing to watch it happen again again. >> maga republicans will bring chaos, democrats will save the country again with confidence. that's the formula and that's how we paid our bills and lifted the ceiling. that's how we kept it open. something you've never seen before in the government, in any government, look at any democracy, the majority party delivering the majority amount of votes. it doesn't happen. what you saw,, again speaker jeffries delivered the votes. >> matt gaetz is calling that as well. what can democrats do to prevent this from happening? democrats swooped in and save the day. we shouldn't be doing it like. this nobody with the guidance system that works like this. what can democrats do when they control all three and the senate in the house in the white house. to end these incessant threats and debt ceiling hostage taker. joe biden said last year i don't want to get rid of the debt ceiling. that's too extreme. what do we do to stop this from happening again and again? >> get rid of the filibuster. that's one way. get rid of dirty money and maps. passed the voting rights act which would have independent redistricting at every single state like we do in california. also to the extent that we can make the money in politics as transparent as possible and that is when it is possible. >> let's talk about the bill that was passed. look what we did, we save the country, as you, said we got a better bill than what they were voting on a few days ago. 30% cuts to various major departments. the lack of ukraine funding in the bill has upset a lot. people democrat mike quigley called it -- to vote against the bill said it's a victory for putin and his sympathizers. is that what democrats were cheering on celebrating? >> we will get the ukraine funding. we have to keep the government open. we have to pay the. troops are at the pit. co-opted the pay the border agents. the air traffic controllers. the hardworking federal employees. benefits that we're not going to go out the door. with the same leverage that were able to have the republicans completely capitulate, we're going to apply that the next few days, to make sure that we get a vote on ukraine funding. as we message this to republican voters, to republican leaders, we have to tie it to china and taiwan. they thump their chest they love to be tough and say, oh, we're tough on china. i've given them the benefit of the doubt and assume that if china invited taiwan they would come to taiwan's defense. i don't think she give the benefit of the doubt and more. if they're flinching on ukraine, and they were cowardly walking away from the fight and ukraine, while we ever believe that they would defend taiwan? what's gonna happen if we walk away from ukraine? it's a green light for she to go right into taiwan >> will get the money how? >> the leverage we have. we have senate republicans and democrats united. we have the votes to bring up the discharge position. the discharge position. the discharge position. the discharge position. the discharge position. there's a lot of talk among republican friends they would go around the speaker to get the funding. that's going to come. it can't come soon enough. we're not walking away from it. >> all eyes are on the speaker, kevin mccarthy. whether or not -- the sign, or speaker name, some might say. whether or not he will keep us posted. have a listen to what he said on a morning show today in response to -- he name checked you. >> -- there's no sound. i don't happen to the sound. there i would say that he talked about matt gaetz trying to work with democrats. he name checked you, he said he's working with eric smallwell to go against him. if there is a motion to vacate kevin mccarthy from the speaker 's chair, will he be able to count on eric smallwell's vote to save him? >> not my monkeys, not my circus. i didn't go to congress to help kevin mccarthy with his loan sharks. i'm also not working with matt gaetz. what you're going to find among democrats is that we are reunited. united in the way that we kept the government open and united and how we paid our bills and lifted the debt ceiling. united and how -- >> you're not saving mccarthy? >> i'm not saving him, no. he created this problem. he can find his way out. >> matt gaetz listen to this, eric small is not going to vote for a kevin mccarthy, aoc said to not going to vote for mccarthy. if i go against mccarthy, he doesn't have democratic votes to save him. >> that's, right whatever deals mccarthy thinks he's striking with democrats or one offs he thinks he has, i would invite him to look at how unified we have been in these votes. i don't know what leadership is going to do. i know that we're going to talk about next couple of days. i know what our priorities are. it's working for working people. it's speeding back these insane impeachment inquiries. >> you mention impeachment, what if kevin, currently we know is a desperate, man i know he's desperate to be speaker and the total 15 rounds. what if it comes to democrats and said you get to the impeachment choir if you keep me in my chair? >> i'm a team player. i will work with jeffries on. this as i, said matty, if we're looking at this as this is one person's job, it's more important in the country. and that's how we got to this mass with the shutdown, then we're looking at it the wrong way. this is not about kevin mccarthy. by the way, i would hope that kevin mccarthy could find another job. this is -- we're not going to go through hell and caskets to keep the job that he would recognize doing the night thing is more important then keeping this speaker derby has. >> spectator speaker david. i will go back to the impeachment and moment. i will talk much about himself. sometimes we get lost in the process. we don't talk substance. let's talk substance. the president gave a very substance speech this week. very strong speech on the threat from the threat to democracy posed by the extremist maga folks. let's have a listen to some of that. >> inciting violence against those who risked their lives to keep america safe, weaponizing against the very soul of who we are as americans, this mega threats, it's the threat to the brick and mortar of our democratic institutions. putting an ocean, the defeated former president expressed when he was in office. he believes it applies only to him. this is a dangerous notion. this president is above the law, no limits. although, i don't believe even a majority of people would think that, the silence is deafening. the silence is deafening. >> congressman, the silence is deafening. powerful words from the president. would you like to see more of that from the biden administration going on the offense? last year, before the midterms, you and i have discussed, this when he was talking about semi fascism and going off the maga, people were saying, hold on, that's a little extreme. dick durbin, i would have used that language. shouldn't we see more that? >> yes, we can't stand on virtue and's trust the american people to do the right thing. especially when you're going up against this right-wing media ecosystem that feeds them lies. we have to fight this fight with both hands vigorously. i take a discredit, defend, deliver approach in every hearing. i discredit jim jordan, anything shrines you -- i defend the administration when they try and volley false charges. and i pivot to what we deliver if we were the majority. we have every reason to be confident. i'm confident that we are going to win. right now, we are in a position america where democracy just needs to live long enough to live forever. we've seen changes in georgia and arizona. we won 18 in 2022. we won the special elections. i think this is it. this is, you know, to use the parlance of a california, this is the series finale. this upcoming election. if we get through it, democracy can live forever. i'm confident that we know how to do this and we're going to do it again. >> >> use the phrase lead forever. the media's been obsessing over joe biden's age, as you, know even though he's only three years older than donald trump. having said that, age in and of itself is -- in fact, democrats in focus groups and polls say they're worried about his age. i have to play a clip of what you said when you're running against him in 2020 democrats -- you said this on the debate stage. let's have a listen. >> i was six years old when the presidential candidate came to the california democratic convention and said, it's time to pass the torch to a new generation of americans. that candidate was then senator joe biden. joe biden was right when he said it was time to pass the torch to a new generation of americans 32 years ago. he still right today. if we're going to solve the issues, pass the torch. if we're going to solve the issues of climate chaos, pass the torch. if we're gonna solve the issue of student loan debt, pass the torch. if we're going to end gun violence for families who are fearful of sending their kids to school, patch the. torch >> congressman, you are chuckling. they shouldn't let children run for president. who was that guy? joe biden was 76 years old when you said pass the torch. you don't think he should handed over when he's 80? >> he proved me. wrong with what he has done to bring the country together through the jobs and infrastructure bills, through the chips act, through the gun safety legislation, through the inflation reduction act, and just the way he's brought the world together to take on ukraine. by the way, he's 80. there is no disputing that. you know it numbers higher than? 91. 91 charges over four indictments, and that's a lot more concerning than the presidents aide. >> you did a very good defend and deliver. congressman eric swalwell, always a pleasure, thank you. >> coming up, a trump biden rematch may be on the horizon in 2024. the difference between the two men couldn't be more stark. why is it still such a tight race? my panel of experts join me to talk biden beatrice. i go to spin classes with my coworkers. good for you, shingles doesn't care. because no matter how healthy you feel, your risk of shingles sharply increases after age 50. but shingrix protects. proven over 90% effective, shingrix is a vaccine used to prevent shingles in adults 50 years and older. shingrix does not protect everyone and is not for those with severe allergic reactions to its ingredients or to a previous dose. an increased risk of guillain-barré syndrome was observed after getting shingrix. fainting can also happen. the most common side effects are pain, redness, and swelling at the injection site, muscle pain, tiredness, headache, shivering, fever, and upset stomach. shingles doesn't care but, shingrix protects. shingrix is now zero dollars for almost everyone. ask your doctor about shingrix today. doesn't your family deserve the best? 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>> the choice is clear. it's not about who's two older who gave the best performance at a tv debate, it's between one candidate who wants to be reelected, he said to protect democracy, and another who is busy normalizing and mocking a hammer attack on the 82 -year-old opponent husband of his political opponent. let's bring in my panel to talk about all of this and more. former democratic senator barbara boxer of california. the correspondent for the nation, and brian butler, a political analyst and founder of the new off message newsletter on substack. thank you for joining me. let me start with, you elie. when you watch donald trump talking about dampening the forest floor, and then you look at polls that show him that connect with biden or in the lead by ten points or five points over biden, do you put your head in your hair and your hands? >> look, mehdi, not really. there is a recent poll out of the university of chicago that said the biggest indicator of whether or not you support trump is whether or not you believe racism has been defeated. whether or not you believe systemic racism doesn't exist. whether or not you believe that what white people face more racism than people of color. trump's running on white reverence, it's how he's always been. it's what he's always done. and i feel like reducing it to racism always make certain kinds of democrats squeamish. we want there to be a bigger answer. we want to believe maybe republicans actually think you should dampen the forests. we want to believe is a reason. there's nothing there. all it is is white grievance. without racism, trump is just dumber chris christie. and that is why he is where he is because he plays into the racism of his fans. >> let's bring in barbara boxer. we're talking about the republican voting on white grievance. and the republicans are running on white grievance, what should joe biden be running? and he keeps talking about jobs, bidenomics, that hasn't really cut through. now he is in my view pivoting to the democracy argument. it's important. what do you think you should be running? on >> i think you should stick to the soul of the nation. that gets right to the issue that was just raised. it's either we're going to turn on each other for stupid reasons the way we look, okay, our heritage, it makes no sense. are we going to work together for america. i think what we see in this race is democracy versus tyranny. we see a candidate who is cruel versus a candidate who is compassionate. and when you ask me about polls, honestly, it's early. i agree with that point. if i looked at the polls in my races every time i ran, oh my, god i would have run away. and i managed to pull it off. people don't take it in and pay attention until they are good and ready. and that's always just a few months before. last point i will make. the country is divided. it's been that way for a while. if you look back at presidential races, the last few of, them they start off 40 40. the battle is over that last 20%. it was that way in my races to. who is in that 20%? a lot of times it's independent voters. i think independent voters don't want a country that's divided by race, they don't want a country where they're afraid of sending their kids to school and women don't have the right to make decisions about their health care. i could go on. i feel good about where we are. it's going to be difficult. >> you're right to point out we are 13 months out. the polls have to be taken with a shovel assault. brian, i want to talk to you about your latest substack piece called, quote, the democrats lost september. in it you detail some real evidence that the democrats have failed to capitalize on. he could sell his properties at inflated rate to the saudis. suggesting general mark milley be executed for treason. complaint -- while speaking at a non-union shop. what should democrats have done? what are they doing that they're not doing? >> i think the senate majority, the democratic senate majority should be using their official powers to try to shape what it is the media covers. what it tells voters in telling them what they think is important with their coverage, what's happening, if senate community is recovering in that piece -- i think it would change the timber of news coverage. i agree with what senator boxer said. at this period, in a presidency, it's two and a half years in. the novelty has worn off. maybe people's frustrations are starting to grow. maybe people are worried about the presidents age. when republicans nominate donald trump, a lot of the memories of the 2017 to 2020 period will come running back. i think democrats will probably re-consolidate around president biden. there is another half of the equation. what people hear about the two candidates, it matters. republicans spent a lot of time thinking about how to make voters hate joe biden. they use their committee powers. they use the rhetoric. they have propaganda networks. fox news allows them to do this easily. they use every channel available to say biden crime family, hunter laptop, impeachment. it's worked to make a lot of voters think that both candidates are dirty. senate democrats haven't had an answer to this. >> -- >> that's why i wrote that they lost september. they aren't really thinking about how to neutralize that threat. >> it is at the same message. or the desire to do to republicans what's on to them. in the last few, weeks at, lviv seen republicans freak-out over john fetterman wearing shorts in the senate. and this weekend they freaked out over jamal bowman pulling a fire alarm to stop a vote. -- he's denied it. he said it was an accident. yet you don't see democrats worked up in the same way over paul gosar suggesting general mark milley is a sodomy promoting -- who should be executed. are donald trump as we saw a moment ago saying, he will see shoplifters shot dead if he's president. >> even george santos who is, you know, a serial liar. he's living like a george costanza version of his life. democrats don't go in for the kill the way republicans do. that's always been part of the cross of being a democrat. we try to keep it up. here we try to play nice. we try to keep focus on what's important. we hope the crazies won't punch themselves out. without fully appreciating that while, yes, they are crazy, they are not idly crazy. they're crazy with a purpose. they are trying to smear and tar and feather on democratic politicians because low information maga voters, that's the kind of thing that they play to. i also agree with senator boxer that where we are right now, when you look at the policies that are in play versus what the republicans are bringing to the table, which is cuckoo for poco pass circus time. i think that is ultimately going to win the day. people have gone broke underestimating joe biden. i think we're on the right track. >> i will jump in. we will continue this discussion off the break. before we go to, break glass, work to 30 seconds, barbara boxer, why are democrats so weak ongoing on the offense of the way republicans are? >> i would not say we are weak. i would say there is an embarrassment of riches. every day it's something else with this donald trump. what do you do, i myself spend my days just walking around the house talking to my husband and saying, oh my god, he wants to execute the former chief of staff. >> we all do that. >> there's so much. let me close on this, -- >> briefly. >> i will, hakeem jeffries is a brilliant communicator. my money is on him. he is going to step out. i listen to him when we -- he is genius at. it keep your eye on him. >> okay, i will keep my eye on them. i'm waiting for him to say something about paul gosar need to be expelled for what he said. my panel, please stick around, much more to discuss. republicans struggling to find their footing in their impeachment hearing. let's talk about that a moment. >> okay, i will keep my eye on them. i'm waiting for him to say something about paul gosar need to be expelled for what he said. my panel, please stick around, much more to discuss. republicans struggling to find their footing in their impeachment hearing. let's talk about that a moment. 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[limu emu squawks.] only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ >> i do not believe the current evidence would support articles of impeachment. >> i'm not here today to even suggest that there would be corruption or any wrongdoing. >> when your own star witness and the republicans favorite law professor jonathan turley comes to congress and says there is no evidence to justify impeaching joe biden at the start of an impeachment inquiry into joe biden. that is probably a bad thing. let's bring in my panel who is still with me. brian bowler of off message and -- i want to get you arresting not just to that but to the whole day of impeachment inquiry nonsense. how bad was it for the republicans, brian? what happens going forward? >> joe biden and the democrats are very lucky to have the enemies they have, sometimes. i think what is ultimately going to happen is they are going to keep holding hearings on they're going to lead selected pieces of information dressed up to make them seem scandalous. they'll give those to various reporters who they think will pay them up, a hint of a big scandal. and it will take days to beat them down. and the process will continue probably for months. and continue to take the toll on that we were talking about in the earlier segment. people who are paying as close attention will say there is an impeachment inquiry and we keep hearing breaking news out of it. and it will increase the number of voters in the country who think there is something dirty about president biden. the democrats, they are at least the presidents strategy here seems to be to sort of trying to float above the fray on this. putting about the phrase another way of saying, see the microphones to republicans. i think you gain some advantage if he simply, says, love everybody including you and the reporters who are covering this know that there is merit to it. and so why cover it has if it is an impeachment like when president trump was impeached? even when president clinton was impeached. >> call it out for the impeachment that it is, to quote jamie raskin. jonathan turley has been number two only to allen dershowitz as a law professor who republicans go to get legal arguments when no one else will give them legal arguments. i cannot bring himself on thursday to develop this stuff. >> we don't even charlie can chill for you that is like the sam shamwow guy not being willing to sell you a towel. that is how bad it is when you can't get jonathan turley on your side. i am not as down on the impeachment hearings as brian is at all. i agree he is right. but when you watch these things, they are showing them live on the maga news network. and so what is happening in addition to all the muddying the waters they've been trying to, you do, maybe for the first time in some of these peoples lives they are using the democrats using their time during these inquiries to re-litigate the charges against donald trump. to re-examine all of the corruption and grafton to see to that happens in the republican party. i've got to tell you, i bet some of those maga news that were people, this is the first time they've heard of it. so in some kind of offhand way, i do think that's giving democrats the microphone and showing up live on certain networks is educating some voters who might not have otherwise have heard about these things. >> i agree with, you ali. but i also still worry like brian does that they can still shamelessly this spin this in their favor. they still have a narrow majority. you were in the senate when bill clinton was impeached, avoided conviction. that hurt him. the democrats have argued for years, there is an argument of her 20 republican in the short term in the long term are going into al gore it's et cetera. we have the argument about how throwing the impeachment mark in the hope that it has candidates. that is the republican argument, . here it being impeached next year. they say he's impeached and trump is impeached. does the same. >> yes i was there during the clinton impeachment. i want to say a couple things about it. people were really mad at the republicans. i will tell you, the fact is that impeachment takes the air out of the room. there is no more oxygen. and the public is going, what about me? what about my student life? what about the fact that got flooded out again and it goes on in the, on more mass. shootings and they are talking, about what is the seinfeld impeachment hearing. it is a hearing about, nothing and you are right. i went into so many hearings, i shared so many hearings. and when i picked witnesses to come before us, they were sprouted. >> they were on your side. >> this was such a blast. point l. a. makes a beautiful point about maybe for the first time, fox viewers are seeing democrats. democrats, they've never seen a democrat. they've never seen an african american democrats. or a female democrat. it's a trauma. so, now, what i'm worried about though is that maybe they are watching this and they'll now cuts away when it is the democrats turn to question. but it is a moment that i think we should consider as a possible plus. of, course i'm always an optimist. >> you, are i appreciate your optimism. >> i have been my whole life. >> i would point out that the people doing a lot of the debunking at the hearing were men and women of color on the democratic side. that will be interesting for the fox reaction. barbara, boxer brian boulder, thank you all will have to leave it. there appreciate you all. coming up later this hour, i'll speak to the top climate scientist who like barbara boxer is an optimist. he still has hope among the gloom in the tomb of the climate crisis. and do not forget you can listen to the media hasan show anytime, free, wherever you get your podcasts. rsv can severely affect the lungs and lower airways. but i'm protected with arexvy. arexvy is a vaccine used to prevent lower respiratory disease from rsv in people 60 years and older. rsv can be serious for those over 60, including those with asthma, diabetes, copd, and certain other conditions. but i'm protected. arexvy is proven to be over 82% effective in preventing lower respiratory disease from rsv and over 94% effective in those with these health conditions. arexvy does not protect everyone and is not for those with severe allergic reactions to its ingredients. those with weakened immune systems may have a lower response to the vaccine. the most common side effects are injection site pain, fatigue, muscle pain, headache, and joint pain. i chose arexvy. rsv? 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>> yeah, it's great to be with you, mehdi. we all feel that. my city of philadelphia, we are the worst air quality in the world for several days. and that was because of these unprecedented canadian wildfires and the smoke coming down from them, into the lower 48. so we are seeing devastating climate consequences. there is no question about that. now, if we look at what the models have predicted, decades ago the warming is actually right about where the models predicted it would be. if we continue down this course of fossil fuel burning. so we got that right. with the models, probably underestimated. with some of the impacts of that warming, the extreme weather events we are seeing, the beginning of the collapse of ice shells and the potential sea level rise that will come with that, if the ice sheets follow suit. and so there is no question, we are seeing dark consequences of an action. but there is also not evidence that we are going through a climate tipping point. the truth is, my mentor steve nigh are used to say is bad enough. and the truth is that as long as we continue adding carbon pollution to the atmosphere, the planet will continue to warm up and all of these things will continue to get worse. >> i just played a clip of client newkirk, the activists on the show last week. before i spoke with naomi cline, they are consistent messages okay, but it does some good stuff. but the bad stuff he does on this issue, such as record energy drilling permits, that cancels out the good stuff. what is your response to that? >> i don't think that's true. i think the inflation reduction act, which she signed into law is by far the most important climate legislation. the only climate legislation we have ever seen pass and be signed into law. he gets a good part of the way to where we need to be. he does not get all the way there. the reason it does not is that some of the provisions that would have helped for example limit fossil fuel burning by utilities were stripped out by that 50th vote by joe manchin of west virginia. they weren't able to get a better bill because essentially they did not have the votes in the senate to get that. >> manchin gained up with the republicans who are party full of climate deniers. they've ramaswamy on the debate stage let me that co2 in the atmosphere is down low levels. how he responded nonsense like that? >> it is funny because i came across that a week ago. it says something like the co2 levels in the atmosphere are lower, than all of human existence. and then she gently pointed out on twitter that in fact you had to go all the way back until early hamman it's were roaming the african savannah back in 4 million years ago to find co2 levels naturally that were as high as they are today. so they got a completely wrong but more importantly what he got wrong was it isn't the level of carpenter accidental atmosphere or even the absolute warmth of the planet. we have seen times in the deep geological past, i talk about the surfaces where it was higher, where it is the rate of warming unprecedented for us and other living things. >> well, side and michael mann will have to leave it. there thank you so. much the book is called our fragile moment. appreciate you coming on the show. >> thank, you mehdi. >> coming up at the top of the hour with a man -- and barbara luck lane. previewing the opening days of donald trump's 250 million dollar civil fraud trial. i know there's a lot of, trials you can keep up with all. dumb name is going to help. that is, next not pm eastern right here on msnbc. but first, it is going to be helping me as we discussed the gop double standards around congressman jamal bowman pulling the fire alarm. >> oth. kisqali is a pill that, when taken with an aromatase inhibitor is the only treatment of its kind shown to both help people live longer and improve or preserve quality of life. because you shouldn't have to sacrifice one for the other. kisqali can cause lung problems, or an abnormal heartbeat, which can lead to death. it can cause serious skin reactions, liver problems and low white blood cell counts that may result in severe infections. avoid grapefruit during treatment. tell your doctor right away if you have new or worsening symptoms, including breathing problems, cough, chest pain, a change in your heartbeat, dizziness, yellowing of the skin or eyes, dark urine, tiredness, loss of appetite, abdomen pain, bleeding, bruising, fever, chills, or other symptoms of an infection, a severe or worsening rash, are or plan to become pregnant, or breastfeeding. live longer and live well. ask about kisqali, and long live you. i'm orlando and i'm living with hiv. i don't have to worry about daily hiv pills because i switched to every-other-month cabenuva. for adults who are undetectable, cabenuva is the only complete long-acting hiv treatment you can get every other month. it's two injections from a healthcare provider. now when i have people over, hiv pills aren't on my mind. don't receive cabenuva if you're allergic to its ingredients, or if you're taking certain medicines, which may interact with cabenuva. serious side effects include allergic reactions, post-injection reactions, liver problems, and depression. if you have a rash and other allergic reaction symptoms, stop cabenuva and get medical help right away. tell your doctor if you have liver problems or mental health concerns, and if you are pregnant, breastfeeding, or considering pregnancy. some of the most common side effects include injection-site reactions, fever, and tiredness. if you switch to cabenuva, attend all treatment appointments. it feels good to just live in the moment. with every-other-month cabenuva, i'm good to go. ask your doctor about cabenuva today. is it possible my network could take my business to the next level? 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>> seriously. mehdi, what do you respect expect from a republican party that is fully endorsed, justified and excuse to the behavior of donald trump? who was president was impeached twice, now indicted on 91 counts and four separate trials. it is the height of hypocrisy for republicans to turn a blind eye to the leader of the insurrection against the capitol while calling for jamal bowman to be expelled. i have to say, i think i can do one better. i don't know if you saw this post from the coup leader himself, trump, who is now calling for jamal bowman to face the same fate as the six insurrectionists who are obstructing an official congressional proceeding. i mean, this is like the death of irony, right? the trump of all people, a defendant accused of obstructing a congressional proceeding, is now conceding that obstructing a congressional conceding is actually a crime. can you just imagine the reaction of trump's lawyers when they saw that confession? >> oh to be a trump lawyer for the one week that you are a trump lawyer before you switch it to someone else. by, the way quick. think republicans would have voted to impeach and convict trump, clearly, if he just pulled the fire. alarm not by sending i'm off to the capitol to fight like -- >> if they could only find him doing something as dangerous as pulling the fire alarm. exactly. , mehdi great to see you as always, friend. great show, enjoy the rest of your evening off. tonight on ayman. gop in disarray. far-right house members are pushing to oust kevin mccarthy from the speakership. and some progressive democrats, well, they are jumping on board as well. plus breaking news on donald trump's civil fraud trial. new details on what we can expect when the ex president shows up to courts tomorrow morning and debate disaster. the front of the showing comedian match friend is back with us for his assessment of the latest chaotic republican debate. you do not want to miss this, onfo

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