Capitol hill its left the House Majority in a new crisis of its own making. President biden, saying today that the short term fix that keeps the government open through November 17th is a step in the right direction. He warned the gopcontrolled house that chaos is no way to govern. It is time to end governing by crisis, and keep your word when you give it in the congress. A few months ago, after a long negotiation between myself and republican speaker of the house of representatives, we came to agree on a Budget Agreement precisely to avoid any manufactured crisis that we just witnessed. The last few days, and the weeks, extreme maga republicans have tried to walk away from that deal. I strongly urge my republican friends in congress to not wait. Dont waste time as you did all summer. Past the yearlong Budget Agreement, honor the deal that we made a few months ago. The tempered deal includes new funding for Disaster Relief and important funding for the faa. It does not include new aid for ukraine, or money for republican backed immigration policies. Speaker Kevin Mccarthy had the compromise with the democrats in order to pull off a saturday surprise, guaranteeing they would get a separate vote on ukraine funding. Details on when and how much are still pending. Working with democrats is not sitting well with Florida Governor matt gaetz. Its confirming this morning he will file a to oust from the speakership, simply for working across the aisle. This morning on cbs, Speaker Mccarthy said that he is ready for that fight. This is personal with matt. He voted against the most conservative ability to protect our border, secure our border. He is more interested in securing Tv Interviews than doing something. He wanted to push us into a shut down, even threatening his own district with all of the military people there who would not be paid, only because he wants to take this motion. So be it, bring it on, lets get it over with and start governing. If hes upset because he tried to push us into a shut down, and i made sure that the government didnt shut down, lets have that fight. Joining us now, Senior National correspondent for nbc news kapoor and luke broadwater, congressional reporter for the new york times. Where does the fight over Government Funding had no . Alicia, it is now on to the appropriators to try to find that agreement. Reaching a full year Government Funding deal. Remember, this deal just gets us to November 17th. The trains in the house and senate are operating on completely different tracks here. Youve got Kevin Mccarthy, the speaker and his Republican Congress in the house are still moving very partisan Appropriations Bills that include a host of spending cuts the democrats dont support. It includes provisions to respect abortion and lgbt rights. And they dont have a shot of passing the Democratic Senate and becoming law. There are levels that they are pursuing in terms of spending, also a twoyear budget deal that Speaker Mccarthy dropped with President Biden. That sound you just played from the president , telling them to stick to that. The Democraticled Senate is moving in a very different direction. They are sticking by that general Budget Agreement, they are moving in a bipartisan manner. The bills that they are passing have been approved by the committee on a unanimous basis, and are moving towards the senate floor. The senate has yet to pass those bills. Yesterdays, move it prevent a government shutdown, which is very good news for a lot of people that wouldve been negatively impacted by it. It did not really Bring Congress any closer to resolving the bigger issue. That is still to come. Luke, congressman gaetz, vowing to remove Kevin Mccarthy from his speakership. There are many ways that this could play out over the next week. How do you see it going . Yes, this is a very uncertain situation right now. The first question is whether matt gaetz can rally enough republicans with him to try to force mccarthy out. The second is what the democrats then do. Do they choose to step in and save mccarthy, or vote to kick him out and have a leaderless house for some period of time . I have heard all different reactions from democrats that i have talked to about this. Some of them are still very angry with mccarthy for reneging on the budget deal that he struck, and the fact that he is pursuing an Impeachment Inquiry into President Biden. Those are, not in their view, the actions of somebody that wants a compromise with the democrats. These people, if they were to save mccarthy, he would have to get democrats Something Big in order for them to step in and save the speakership. I want to underline something not from either of you, because you both understand this implicitly. This can seem like political theater, the motion to vacate. The fight over the speakership has real implications for how the government functions, both on its face the idea of having a speakerless house. But also part of what we are hearing about the possibility that there is appetite among members of the Republican Caucus to actually revise the rules so that people like matt gaetz have less power to mock things up. Thats right, alicia, there are some early rumbles about this. I spoke today to congressman Brian Fitzpatrick who reps the Swing District in pennsylvania. He said that if this motion to vacate continues to persist, and matt gaetz continues to make these threats, he doesnt think that gaetz is going to succeed in removing mccarthy. He says the republicans should revisit that rule package. The problem with, that is not clear if the votes are there in the republican conference to change the rules at this moment. There are several dozen rightwing members that forced mccarthy to give his concession, allowing any one member to go to the floor and force a vote to where the house could overthrow. Its not clear, several dozen members want to change the rules. They still like the idea of keeping him on a short leash. Broadly, gaetz has indicated hes going to call this motion to vacate. It has, as luke indicated, possibly been going down to democrats. Theyve been keeping their powder dry. It is not really clear what theyre going to do. They are at least open to a conversation about how to move forward. Then you have this push and pull, which makes it very difficult to see how this happens. The democrats are not going to want to do this for nothing. Theyre not going to want to rescue and bail out a speaker of the house who is impeaching a democratic president over what they say is absolutely no substantiation, no evidence. They dont like the way that he is functioning. Theyre going to want concessions from him. Is Kevin Mccarthy going to be able to survive those concessions . Are those concessions going to weaken him even further with the right . Not even the farright, but the center right if it ends up looking like some sort of Power Sharing Arrangement where he is giving democrats a real seat at the table when it comes to governing. It is very hard to see where that venn diagram meets or even exists. Luke, we often talk about 2024, we talk about it as if its a president ial election happening. Of course, but there are races down the ballot. It seems very relevant to me in this moment because there are people that watch what is happening in the house of representatives, and they can sort of say, well this happens every time they have to find the government. No, this one in particular was a Potential Shutdown over absolutely nothing. There was not even a issue that republicans were putting forward as the thing that they were willing to shut the government down for. It is also tied to our elections themselves. There was this great piece from Karen Tumulty in the Washington Post, saying in midterm elections, fewer than one in five eligible voters cast their ballots in party primaries. The rest of the country sits home and has to live with the consequences. That means a tiny and utterly on representative slice of americans is deciding who gets a seat in the u. S. House. In the case of matt gaetz, just 17 of registered voters turned out in the gop primary, in which he won last year. I say this all to say that you cannot watch what is happening on capitol hill. You cannot ask these questions about governance and divorce it from the way that our electoral politics play out. Yes, i mean you raise a good point. The primary system, the way that it is been carried out in america with increasingly fewer and fewer people, choosing the representative in a primary that will then sort of gerrymander that district. All of those incentives are to play to the far right or far left. In this case, this Potential Shutdown was unique because the fight here was completely between republicans. In past Potential Shutdowns, its usually been a dispute between a democratic president and republican house, whatever. Here, it was just in fighting with republicans that almost brought this country to the brink of a shutdown. I would think going into 2024, those voters will be watching that and seeing that really its all of this turmoil within the Republican Party. When the general election comes around, i would think at least some people will take a look at that. Its been a wild two days, im so grateful to have you here to walk us through. It thank you both so much. I want to bring in North Carolina democratic congresswoman deborah raw. She is vice Ranking Member of the house judiciary committee. She also serves on the house ethics committee. Congressman, thank you for being with us. I want to start with what appears to be another fight over who is going to be speaker of the house. If a vote is called, would you vote to oust Kevin Mccarthy . Its good to be with you this evening. Im glad we got a little bit of rest today. Im going to stick with Speaker Nancy Pelosi and say that we will follow our leader. We are going to have many caucuses. Im sure this week as we did on saturday and throughout last week. The wonderful thing about our House Democrats is that we have been showing up and sticking together. Lets pivot to the short term deal. It did not include funding for ukraine. Talk to us about your decision to support the stock app without ukraine, and what you hope happens next. First, i want you to know that i strongly support aiding ukraine, as do a majority of members of the house. We had a vote on that issue earlier. It became a Sticking Point for the senate as well, and because you already have a 45day extension, we have gotten assurances that it will not inhibit our efforts in ukraine, in the short term. Make no mistake, it is crucial that we continue to support ukraine, financially, morally, and with there are plans to do that. I know that Speaker Mccarthy has been in touch with the president , been in touch with leader schumer about that. We are going to fund ukraine through the appropriations process. What happens Going Forward is anybodys guess. As you have talked about earlier in this program, we dont know what is going to be happening with the speaker. We dont know whether or not all of the house Appropriations Bills will even pass on the floor. Last week, when we were having midnight sessions, one of those bills failed on the floor. The agriculture appropriations bill. Again, over these Poison Pill Riders that the extreme right wing minority insists on putting on these bills. We know whatever we sent to the senate, the senate will send us Something Back that is bipartisan. And it can easily get a majority of the house to vote for it. If the minoritymajority wants to be held hostage to their minority, and send a bunch of Appropriations Bills over to the senate, of confidence that the senate will send us back a much better product. There are many complex dynamics at play here. There is the infighting among republicans, and there is the reality that we are just a few days away from a government shutdown, impact for americans all across this country. Will republicans decide to launch their Impeachment Inquiry into President Biden . You take a step back, you see where we have landed, and the tea up to this moment. What it tells you about their priorities that it is the timing that they chose. It was a sideshow that risked a government shutdown. And then when they had that sideshow with their own witnesses, their own witnesses said that there was no evidence for an impeachment. While we shouldve been working on making sure that we fund the government, making sure that women and children could have access to food assistance, making sure that that had started not closed down. Making sure that our troops and Law Enforcement did not have to worry about when they would get their next paycheck. The republicans opened up a Sideshow Impeachment with their own witnesses telling them that they were wasting time. They did it again to appease this extreme right wing minority. It is time that we all just take back the house from that right wing minority. The people are suffering. It is just making the house not capable of doing what we are sent there to do. That is fight for the american people. We will see as they do get out over this speakership if there is actually an appetite to revise those rules so that they have a little bit less power. Carolina congressman deborah ross, as always, thank you for being with us. Next, donald trump heads to court in manhattan where the new York Business empire is in an existential threat. Plus, issuing new threats about against potential witnesses but, first Richard Louis who has tracked the other big stories that were watching this hour on msnbc. Richard . Thank, you alicia. Illinois residents are welcomed back home after cleanup from a ammonia spill. The spill was caused by a deadly crash involving a tanker truck to our south of chicago. Five people, including two children died in that crash. The annual twin Cities Marathon in minnesota was canceled today due to extreme heat. The National Weather service says that the record will hit the 90s today. 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