been a wild weekend on capitol hill. he is coming up first. plus, transportation secretary pete buttigieg will be live in the studio, with a view from the biden administration, as the president frames this whole episode as a full on failure for republicans. and later, donald trump is expected to travel to new york today, and attend the start of his civil fraud trial tomorrow. who better to talk to that former trump lawyer michael cohen. he blew the lid off trump's shady business dealings, he is on the witness list for this trial, and he could come face to face with his former boss for the first time in years. ♪ ♪ ♪ we are awaiting remarks from president biden, at any moment, from the white house. and when he is ready, we will take that you live. but in the meantime, i just want to level set on what we've seen washed, and over the last couple of days. one republican congressman said that the last week was like, quote, riding a mechanical bull. that is quite a visual, but pretty accurate. the president is going to weigh in, after congress managed to pass a short-term funding bill, that will keep the government open for the next 47 days. now, preventing a government shutdown is obviously good news. and so is the fact that the final bill didn't include any of the devastating cuts to domestic programs that had been on the table. so, for the time being, as of right now, house speaker kevin mccarthy has managed to avoid a complete disaster of republicans own making, by relying on democratic votes to get it over the finish line. congratulations, are in order, i guess? but, before you all think wow, maybe government is functioning again in washington, not quite. because even though mccarthy tried to please his fringe right by not including funding for ukraine, there is now the question of whether or not he will keep his speakership. earlier today, congressman matt gaetz announced he is going to put forward a motion to vacate this week, which is basically a motion to kick mccarthy out of his job. >> i do intend to file a motion to vacate against speaker mccarthy this week. i think we need to rip off the band-aid, i think we need to move on with new leadership, that can be trustworthy. >> for his part, mccarthy said today, bring it on. so, is there an alternative for a candidate for speaker who get enough votes? who knows, but remember, it took 15 rounds last time for mccarthy to get elected. so, another round, or 15 rounds, of votes for speakership, could become an incredibly distracting time -- . of course, matt gaetz doesn't really care much about that. this also raises the question of what else kevin mccarthy might agree to, in order to hold on to his speakership ahead of a another spending fight. those members who wanted to slash the budget of the justice department in retaliation for investigations into donald trump? they will still be there, maybe even more empowered. those members insisting on hard right immigration reform? they aren't going anywhere either. in many ways, this continuing resolution is just picking kicking the can down the road, setting up a similar fight, where hundreds of thousands of government employees, recipients of government programs for low income families, parents of kids in head start. and yes, travelers over the holidays, and will again be riding that mechanical bull, waiting for resolution right before thanksgiving. now, while some members like congressman don bacon acknowledge that in the house, they are, quote, tired of effing around with these whack jobs, not holding back their congressman bacon. this entire saga has been just another example of the dysfunction of republican governments and, governance, and the absence of leadership. it wasn't just the house this week. we also watched a republican debate, where the most memorable moments, to the degree that there were any at all, are a toss-up between nikki haley and tim scott screaming over each other about curtains, and chris christie losing a cringey for paired line to attack donald trump, for not appearing at the debate. the guy who is leading the race by more than 20 points ahead of all of the candidates who are on that stage combined, brought us this bizarre scene, standing in front of nine non-union workers, a non-union plant, arguing he alone was the candidate in favor of workers. you heard that right, during the a uw strike. trump is also still facing 91 felony counts, and was found by a judge who have committed fraud. and, he is continuing to encourage political violence. and, none of that was discussed on the debate stage. there was also a seven-hour-long impeachment hearing on thursday, just days before a potential shutdown, we are even fox news favorite jonathan turley, a key witness for republicans told lawmakers, quote, i do not believe that the current evidence would support articles of impeachment. and, that even some of the evidence that republicans gathered, actually favorite president biden. so, all and all, a real bang up week for the republican brand. but the problem is, they are dysfunction impacts all of us. and 47 days from now, will republicans make funding the government contingent on deep cuts to social safety nets? will it be about implementing draconian policies at the border? and, will mccarthy continue to cut out ukraine funding, at the behest of maga republicans? members of congress can breathe a sigh of relief, for now, for this moment. but in just a month and a half, we could be right back where this whole mess started. joining me now is democratic senator chris murphy of connecticut. so senator, we are awaiting for the president to speak, but you are the perfect person to level set for us here. i want to start with the news from matt gaetz this morning, that he is going to offer a motion to vacate the speakership this week. he wants mccarthy removed, you of course have not been in the house for a long time, but you do have to work with a chaotic house. how concerned are you, that an already kind of wild house could become even more difficult to work with? >> well listen, this is an ongoing disaster for the american people. republicans are simply not fit to govern, they are not serious people. and, while the house of representatives, the republican caucus is going to go through another round of navel gazing, deciding who is going to lead them, people out there are hurting. we still have crises that we need to tackle, whether it be the record number of people dying of overdoses, continued gun violence crisis, and house republicans are going to spend the next couple of weeks arguing amongst themselves as to who should be the next speaker. and, well, i am glad that we are not shutting down the federal government, what a low bar for house republicans, that we celebrate the fact that they can just barely keep the lights on, with hours to go before a shutdown occurs. mccarthy, you know obviously, he had to reach out and get democratic votes, as he will have to do 45 days from now. but as you mentioned, the price here is that he gave into republican demands to cut ukraine off. and ultimately, american security is at risk, if we don't start funding ukraine again. and that will be one of the big fights that we have to undertake over the next month and a half. it is not enough to just keep the lights on, in the federal government, we actually have to live up to our national security obligations. and one of those is making sure that kyiv doesn't become a russian city. >> i want to get to that, and there is a lot at risk here. i do want to ask you, i mean with that in mind, there are rumors that speaker mccarthy could bring a funding bill for ukraine to the floor. he did at the last moment, decide to work with democrats to keep the government open. it could be worse, is what i'm saying. is there incentives to try and save mccarthy, as speaker? >> so, no matter who is the speaker of the house, no matter who is in charge of the republican caucus, the path to a majority in the house runs through democrats, who actually want to the federal government to operate, and who want to help ukraine, and a handful of more responsible republicans. so, that is the problem here, is that whether mccarthy is in charge, or somebody else, the governing majority in the house are democrats and a minority of republicans. i hope that mccarthy is going to make good on his commitment to bring a ukraine supplemental funding bill, before the house. because we know is that it has the majority, in the senate and the house, there is a commanding easy majority of members who will support continued funding for ukraine. and my worry is that if we wait until the middle or end of november to have this conversation about whether we are still supporting ukraine, it may be too late for ukraine by that point. so, my preferences in the next three weeks, to bring supplemental funding bills before the senate, send it over to the house, and really dare mccarthy to make the decision to abandon ukraine, even though he has a majority of republicans and democrats who will support ukraine. >> are you worried at all that this potential threat to his speakership could make him put pause on the idea of bringing up this supplemental funding bill, that he has been rumored to be considering? >> well, i am concerned by the fact that when it came down to it, the only demand that mccarthy was willing to give into, that was coming from his hard right, was the demand to abandon ukraine. he stood up to them on the immigration debate, he rejected their spending cuts. but the one thing he did give into was this idea that we should end american support for ukraine. which is, let's just be honest, an invitation for putin to march his army straight into the rest of ukraine. it is an abandonment of the entire post world war ii order. so, that doesn't bode well for the future of ukraine, and it just means that those of us who believe that this is a worthwhile fighter going to have to step up our advocacy, in the next several weeks and months. >> you've been through, unfortunately, a lot of these spending fights before, government shutdowns before. what do you think the next 45 days look like? and, it is your expectation that we are looking at a similar situation, in the lead up to thanksgiving? >> well, i certainly worry that we are in for a series of groundhog day is, where we are just having the same fight, where mccarthy and these arsonist republicans bring us up to the precipice of shut down, over and over. and of course, the reality is, this is terrible for the american economy. if these hard right republicans claim to be fiscally conservative, it is just not fiscally conservative to shut down the government, because we ultimately pay federal employees -- when they come back to work. but it also cost the american economy billions of dollars, when the federal government shutdown. so, i think the next year and a half are just going to be a series of ongoing disasters, in the house of representatives. and i think we're going to have to try to do a better job of making the case to them that there is nothing fiscally conservative about threatening shut down, or actually going through a shutdown. >> it's all a reminder of the power of voting, and how important it is who is in charge. just to go to politics for a moment, rfk junior is that with a new video, strongly hinting he could run for a third party ticket, teasing a, quote, major announcement. we don't know what that means. do you worry that him running as an independent, or third-party, could hurt president biden, and the democrats? >> flip i don't. i mean frankly, what you see is that the portions of the electorate that are interested in robert kennedy junior, tend to be coming from donald trump's conspiracy theory base. so, if he is running as an independent, i think that may end up hurting donald trump, or the republican nominee more than joe biden. i also think that the fascination with rfk junior's candidacy was a bit of an elite media fascination. i think ultimately, voters know what the stakes are here, and i think third party candidates are not going to be as big of a deal come the general election, as folks may think. people who support democracy, who support ukraine, who support competence in government, are going to understand that the only way to preserve those things is to vote for joe biden. >> senator chris murphy, thank you for encouraging people to take a deep breath about that, and also worry about ukraine funding, which is a huge threat, it was a pleasure talking to you today. we've got our eyes on the white house, where we are awaiting remarks from president biden. and we will take you to that will live, what happens. up next, i lasts transportation secretary pete buttigieg, how likely he thinks it is that congress can come to an agreement in the next six weeks or so, before a government shutdown right before holiday travel. plus, as donald trump prepares to head to new york today for a fraud trial that starts tomorrow, a look back at everything that led to this moment. and later, michael cohen, who is on the witness list for trump's trial, which tell us what he is expecting to see play out in the courtroom, when it comes face-to-face with donald trump, for the first time in years. we will be right back. l be right back. protect against rsv with arexvy. arexvy is a vaccine used to prevent lower respiratory disease from rsv in people 60 years and older. arexvy does not protect everyone and is not for those with severe allergic reactions to its ingredients. those with weakened immune systems may have a lower response to the vaccine. the most common side effects are injection site pain, fatigue, muscle pain, headache, and joint pain. i chose arexvy. rsv? 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>> as you might imagine, i see this largely in terms of transportation. this year, we've seen some heavy air travel numbers. summer, tsa screened more passengers than any time in american history. american travelers are back in the air. it means more than ever, we need that tsa support. we need that air traffic control support. the idea that you're going to stop paying air can traffic controllers, you're going to shut down the air traffic control academy that's racing to get a new staff on board it's not a simple process you do that right in time for the holidays and it's madness. there is no such thing as a good time for a shutdown. it's a particularly bad time. it even goes to some infrastructure. projects were working on a project in dallas, we're upgrading the instrument landing. it would halt. the whole goal is to get the project done in time for the thanksgiving holiday. this could stop it in its tracks. nobody wants this. at least nobody out in the real world wants this. we really need the house republicans to first of all come to terms with each other. they have trouble sorting out their differences internally. and then work with us it happened yesterday right when the democrats who are ready to work full-time with them provided the votes to make sure that we have voted to shut down. they kept the government running. we can't just lurch from threat to threat and potential shut down the potential shutdown. sooner or later, this drama has to end. >> very destabilizing for everyone. and since you are here. and you are military veteran. i have to ask about your reaction to former president trump's recent comments implying that former chairman of the joint chiefs general mark milley it should be executed. it's crazy every time i say that out loud. my colleague vaughn hillyard caught up with him on friday and ask him about it. let's take a listen to that now talked about it on the other side. >> what he did is treasonous. if you look at what he said to china, he's either stupid or it's treason. >> there are many people that would call it treason. >> thank you very much. >> it's alarming and not surprising. given you've served in your longtime public servant, what's your reaction to that? the >> level of disrespect for the american military, not a mansion for the general is both shocking and not shocking. this is part of a lifelong pattern of the former president. i would argue it was first displayed when he faked a disability in order to avoid having to go to vietnam. and allowed some working class person to go in his place. has continued ever since. made a name for himself by basically saying that he did not respect john mccain because he was a war hero. you know, look, a lot of this is to get attention you would hesitate to reward, that on the other hand, we do in fact still have some boundaries that matter in this country. one of them is that our regard for the military and our respect for the military is nonpartisan. it's non political. it's universal. and that's especially important because that's part of how the military does their job. i knew every time i put on that uniform and every time i went to work and every time i got into a vehicle and every time i went outside the wire that i was with men and women who are serving and supporting each other and responsive to a chain of command that was not about politics. that did not break down because of our political differences. this undermines that. it threatens that. it threatens that at a time when we need those institutions that are still at least somewhat outside of the chaos of the last administration and some house republicans are selling as we speak we need what the military has to offer by way of nonpartisan stability. i would say he's been a class act and how he's dealt with it. you've also ran for president. you've been a very public figure for several years now. you have been the subject of threats to yourself. trump also mocked nancy pelosi's husband attacked his home by a man with a hammer. i want to ask you having experienced this before. how concerned are you about that in this kind of continued stoking of violence and echoing of it by the former president. >> one of the mark swab whether a country is free and democratic and open, is that there is no political violence. to have this level of whether it's joking about it stoking it or actually perpetrating it which happened a few blocks for sitting on january six, that is an extreme concern for anybody who cares about the trajectory of the united states. not to mention anyone who is personally impacted by that there is enough that public servants and people who go to work in this administration or in congress have to worry about a little on their families it's one thing for people who choose to go into public service. again if you're going into civilian public service, the last thing you should have to worry about as a threat to your safety. their family and their spouses and children surely one thing we should all be able to agree on is that they are absolutely off limits to these kinds of threats. >> we should be able to. secretary buttigieg, thank you so much for joining me today and for all of your work to make us be able to travel for holidays. and many other things. we are still waiting for president biden to speak. we'll bring that to live as soon as he walks out. coming up next, donald trump travels for the fraud trial, we will take a deep look into the lifetime exaggeration that led to this moment. later trump's former attorney mike cohen knows better than anyone about what we should expect. he's on the witness list. he joins me live in just a few minutes, we are back after this. its customizable options chain, easy-to-use tools and paper trading to help sharpen your skills, you can stay on top of the market from wherever you are. e*trade from morgan stanley. power e*trade's easy-to-use tools make complex trading less complicated. custom scans help you find new trading opportunities, while an earnings tool helps you plan your trades and stay on top of the market. e*trade from morgan stanley. liberty mutual customized my car insurance and i saved hundreds. with the money i saved, i started a dog walking business. oh. 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elderly. folks. the truth is, we shouldn't be here in the first place, we shouldn't have gotten here in the first place it's time to end governing by crisis and keep your word when you give it in the congress. a few months ago after a long negotiation between myself and republican speakers of house representatives, we came to agree on a budget precisely to avoid a manufactured crisis like the one we witnessed. the last few days and weeks, extreme maga republicans try to walk away from that deal. voting for deep and drastic stand spending cuts from 30 to 80% that would have been devastating for many of americans. they failed again. they failed again. we stop them. i am under no illusions that they will be back again. where i come from if you make a deal and give your word you keep it you give your word you say i'm going to do what i say i'm going to do and then you do it you keep it. you keep your word. i expect the republican speakers in congress to honor their words and keep the deal they made months ago when they try to threaten us into bankruptcy by not paying our debts. that includes comments made for fully funded services for veterans. and fully fund the needs and the defenses of our nations. protect -- we have transformational investments that we're making to deal with the crisis. protect medicare's ability to pass -- we pay the highest prescription drug prices in the world. we're finally making progress. an overwhelming majority of the congress have steadfastly supported ukraine to defend itself against the aggression and brutality of the russians attack on women and children in addition to the military in ukraine, there's no ukraine funding in this agreement despite that i did not believe we could let millions of americans go through the pain of a government shutdown. let's be clear, i hope my friends on the other side keep their word about support for ukraine they said they're going to support ukraine in a separate vote. you cannot under any circumstance allow american support for ukraine to be interrupted. i fully expect the speaker to keep his commitment and secure the passage and support needed against brutality. folks overwhelmingly, there's an overwhelming number of republicans and democrats in the house in the senate who support ukraine let's vote on it. i want to assure our allies and the american people in the people of ukraine that you can count on our support, we will not walk away. the vast majority of both parties, i will say it again, democrats and republican senate in the house support helping ukraine and the brutal aggression that's being thrust upon them by russia stopped playing games and get this done this agreement today, while averting a crisis ends in 45 days, it's moving down. just before thanksgiving. quite frankly, i'm sick and tired, i'm sick and tired when. so many american people. i've been doing this, you all pointed out to me, i'm doing this long time. i've never quite seen a republican congress or any congress act like this this maga republicans brought us to the bank threatening american debt for the first time and over 200 years. it's going to cause a crisis. at home and abroad. we reached an agreement. we shook hands. here's the deal, the maga extremist once again brought us to the brink. this time to a government shutdown and going back on the deal that they made months ago they're not keeping their word. enough is enough's enough this is not that complicated. it has to end. there should be on the shouldn't be another crisis. there is no excuse for another crisis, consequently, i strongly urge my republican friends in congress not to wait. don't waste time like he did all summer. past the year long budget agreement and honor the deal we made a few months ago. we have the strongest economy in the world today. the strongest economy in the world today we are the indispensable nation in the world. internationally and domestically in terms of our economy. so let's act like it. let's act like it. and stop the games. get to work. make sure the american people and our allies and friends around the world know what we're doing. thank you. >> mister president, speaker mccarthy's speakership is now at risk. should democrats vote to help him keep that job? >> i don't have a vote on that matter. i will leave that to the leadership of the house in the senate >> mister president, what are your words to u.s. allies on continued funding for ukraine? how can you reassure them? >> i can reassure them, look at me, we're going to get it done. i can't believe those who voted for ukraine overwhelming majorities in the house in the senate and democrats and republicans -- let more people die needlessly in ukraine -- >> mister president, a follow-up on ukraine, what's your sense on the current funding? how much urgency is there, what's the timeline in the next couple weeks and months? >> we have time, not much time, there's an overwhelming sense of urgency. >> are you going to be able to trust speaker mccarthy when the next deal comes around? we >> just made one about ukraine. we will find out. >> are you worried he's going to be for us by public republicans to back away from any deal? >> i hope this experience for the speaker has been one of personal revelations. i'm not being facetious. -- anyway -- >> given the level we've seen this year? >> based on the republican support, based on what might ministration's, doing. no thank you. >> we have been listening to president biden speaking from the white house after a shutdown was avoided yesterday. you heard him make this strong case there for emergency funding for ukraine repeatedly asked about that. he called on republicans to end governing by crisis, said he was sick and tired of the -- we all are. i have secretary pete buttigieg who agreed to stay with me while you watch, that he is joining me now. >> we heard some of those shadows of what he said in his remarks there last night in the statement. you worked with congress. you've worked with a range of members. do you think it's possible to end this era of governing by crisis. >> i think it, is i think it has to be. one thing that i am really struck by in the presidents remarks, how many times he went back to the idea, when you make a deal, you stick with the deal. you know, i've noticed many times surveying under him, i'm sure he had the same experience in the administration. he believes deeply in keeping your word and fidelity to your word and that's not just some quaint principle. that's actually a governing strategy that he has used to build credibility that got some the biggest achievements of this administration done, whether was the bipartisan infrastructure law passed when people don't think you could do anything bipartisan this town or the chips act that also was done on bipartisan basis. one thing i am struck by is this idea of calling the speaker and calling house republicans more generally to their duty and responsibility to do this while having at the same time no illusions about the dynamics that are going on. illusions abothe other thing ts striking there that i'm glad he pointed out is it's not just about the shutdown and then the that we can't learn from's threat to threat from shutout touchdown. what they were trying to threaten a shut down in order to get these cuts, these 30% or more cuts, we've been running the numbers and what that would've meant for transportation. if we want to hear those kinds of cuts, we would have to close air traffic control towers across the country. cargo and passenger flights would be impacted just to take one example. i will give you another example. inspections will be cut back dramatically. some of the very same people who were trying to score partisan points off shift after -- we are effectively demanding the threat of a shutdown as their leverage that we cut the resources that are used to keep railroad safe in this country. you can feel and see as he speaks that he knows that the american people agree with him and i agree with the power holidays that have voted to keep the government going. they agree with the majorities that we have to do the right thing for ukraine. that's why they were able to have that level of strength. >> he also said he hopes kevin mccarthy has a personal revelation. it's a very biden-ism thing to say. i enjoyed that. he also encouraged members to not delay and start acting. it doesn't have to be the last moment. there is a similar message from the director shalanda young, one of your colleagues this morning. what does that look like? it's the same numbers here that are going to be voting on this for six weeks. do you think that's even possible? >> we are about to find out. there is no reason to wait until the absolute last moment. why would you wait until it's almost thanksgiving and all that travels about to begin? every american just wants to be with their family to allow this to come to a head yet again. i know deadlines are like that sometimes. people wait until the last minute. it is in nobody's interest to slow walk this. including speaker mccarthy, frankly, to figure this out. not at the last minute. at the earliest possible moment to go into this we can get something done. >> sounds like some pretty good common sense. secretary buttigieg, thank you for staying with. me i let you go home to your twins now. i really appreciate. it coming, up donald trump's fraud trial in new york starts tomorrow. former trump lawyer michael cohen is standing by. we will be right. back ight back he hits his mark —center stage—and is crushed by a baby grand piano. you're replacing me? customize and save with liberty bibberty. he doesn't even have a mustache. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ ♪♪ when you have chronic kidney disease... there are places you'd like to be. like here. and here. not so much here. if you have chronic kidney disease, farxiga can help you keep living life. ♪ 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(♪♪) gain flings. seriously good scent. of all the lies donald trump have told, there been many, many, none of them were more fluorophoric and flagrant that is lies about his personal wealth. it's been the core of not only how he presented himself in the business world, but a core of about how he has run for president multiple times. trump has long portrayed himself as a self made billionaire. a guy who supposedly started out with virtually nothing. and then became the flashy owner of a sprawling real estate empire. a guy whose wealth was apparently so fast we could leverage of concessions from contractors banks, and ensures, a guy with enough bravado and swagger to plaster's name on buildings and land himself his very own reality tv show. all of that made up the brand that has long been central to trump's public identity. the fed the presumption of great wealth and success. it was all built on a myth. first of all, we've learned that trump originally lied his way on to the forbes annual list of americas richest people back in the 19 80s. that's a very weird thing to do. we learned that his net worth was greatly overstated and the value of the trump brand was probably just a fraction of what he claimed it was. it's well documented that he was hardly a self made billionaire. he got his wealth from his father. despite the revelations, trump's self made myth hasn't posed much of a risk to his livelihood or to his fortune. by and large, he's gotten away with it. in fact, trump has long portrayed his lies as relatively minor exaggerations and something he once referred to as truthful hyperbole. an innocent form of self promotion. that's all it is. this week, a judge in new york had another name for it, broad. trump wasn't lying about his wealth to brandishes image. he was lying on official documents as well. inflating the value of his assets to banks and insurance companies and exaggerating his net worth by billions of dollars. you don't need to be an accountant. i'm certainly not, to understand how ridiculous his claims or. for example, according to the lawsuit, trump's financial forms show that in just four years, the value of his apartment in trump tower had magically increased by 400% magically. by 2015, he claimed it was worth a whopping $327 million. just to put this in the absurd terms that it definitely deserves, that's more than any price, any person, in u.s. history has ever paid for an apartment or home anywhere in this country. trump also valued mar-a-lago as high as $740 million. it's about ten times more than it's likely value. the ruling on tuesday the judge found that trump's financial statements, quote, clearly contain fraudulent valuations that defendants used in business. he said trump's arguments to the contrary were based in a fantasy world, not the real world this case is still going to trial tomorrow to determine what type of damages trump will have to pay. that's the big question. the judge has already struck the most devastating blow that could've come out of this lawsuit. something experts call the, quote, corporate death penalty. he ordered that trump's business licenses be rescinded in new york state and that trump's real estate hoardings be put in receivership. it means that trump could lose control of the key properties that have defined the trump organization and him in many ways for decades. here's the thing. so a surprise, he's a fraud, we've known for a while. it's just a surprise it took so long to catch up with him. about 12 years ago, trump gave a sworn deposition that should've raised a glaring red flag. of the value of personal wealth, he claimed this, he said, quote, my network fluctuates. it goes up and down with the markets and with attitudes and with feelings. even my own feelings. you heard that right. he claimed that his wealth was based on his feelings. but unhappiness. when asked terry put a number on his net worth, trump said it's based on, quote, my general attitude at the time that the question may be asked. as i say, it varies. , okay, another words he admitted out loud under oath that he is numbers are completely an invention. no one in authority actually did anything about it until trump's former lawyer michael cohen delivered this explosive testimony in 2019. this explosive >> to your knowledge, did the president or his company ever inflate assets or revenue? >> yes. >> to your knowledge to the president ever involve inflated assets to an insurance company? >> yes. >> was that done with the presidents knowledge or direction? >> everything was done with the knowledge and direction of mr. trump. >> it couldn't be more clear. it's no surprise that michael cohen is now on the witness list for the state. unless that also includes donald trump himself, who announced late friday that he will appear in the courtroom in person beginning tomorrow. what's up for the. joining me now is former trump lawyer michael cohen who also plans to attend the trial tomorrow. he is the author of the book revenge. michael, thank you for taking the time with me this afternoon. so, i just want to start with given how instrumental you are to this case, what do you think it will be like to see trump's face to face for the first time and five years tomorrow? >> for me, i'm okay, obviously five years ago when i was going through my torment it would have been very difficult. right now i'm looking forward to actually seeing him in the courtroom. i would like him to look me in the face to understand that he's created this. this is the first time and his entire life that he is going to be held accountable and have to deal with the repercussions of his own personal actions. >> as you said, michael, it's the first time he's really being held accountable on this front why do you think it took so long for authorities to prove he was misrepresenting his assets on official financial documents? >> remember that the trump organization is really a glorified mom and pop type company. you're talking about a very myopic real estate branding company it's very similar to the mafia there's a code of silence so to speak. at the trump organization with, a privately held company, it's incredibly difficult to understand how they value assets and how they handle the business unless you have an insider there that's willing to give up that information. that's something that i did in seven congressional hearings. the one that you showed 23 occasions to the dea and to the new york attorney general. look, let me be clear about something. there is no recovery for donald as a result of the civil case being brought tomorrow by attorney general to history ms.. >> this ruling is called a corporate death sentence by a number of people. we were playing a key role in this. you're also a lawyer what will it mean for trump to lose control over several of his real estate holdings in new york. what does it look like? >> well, first of, all i believe that it's more than just several. once he loses the license within which to operate the good standing of the certificates of incorporation that make up what's called the trump corporation, not only is the main company now going into the receivership, there are hundreds of other subsidiary companies that additionally will ultimately go as part of the receivership. it is of financial catastrophe. it is the death blow to donald. i'll tell you. during my tenure at the trump organization, i can tell you, this is always his biggest fear. he would lose money, he would lose all of his money, and that he would no longer be considered the mega billionaire that he tried to portray himself as. >> what do you expect, knowing him as you, do given this trials out there. if all of this is going to happen in broad daylight, how is he going to handle this in public? >> not well. it assumes he actually appears tomorrow for it. knowing donald the way i do, i would say that there's less than a 20% chance that he actually shows up. what is he showing up for, to sit there and to -- he's not being called tomorrow. he's going to sit and watch as the judge listens to testimonies based upon how the valuations were wrong. how the judge is going to determine the extent of the damages. as test james r. instinct-able the new york attorney general said there's a baseline here of 200 and $50 million. she does not believe that it will be less than 250 million. i suspect it will be an excess of 600 million. one of the things that you asked me before about how it affects the company, i want to be clear about something. most of the buildings, actually, all of the buildings that donald had built here in new york city are condominiums. it's not as if he owns those buildings. what he has is a management company. operating them. for the most part, other than several apartments and some buildings, it's owned by individuals like you and me. the same way you would own your home pursuant to what's called an absolute titleholder. it's not going to affect it that way. he does have commercial space. he has some garages. he has restaurants. he has some commercial space. all of those assets, including, say, trump tower, not the residential side, the commercial side that's office space. all that will go into receivership. ultimately it, will get liquidated and order payoff no mounts money that the judge will ultimately determine. >> you know him well. he said it's pretty significant, you don't think he's going to show up. 80% you don't think he's gonna show up even though he said he was going to on friday. he's also on the witness list. they said he would testify if he was called. didn't that's the case. >> i don't, he didn't testify before the e. jean carroll case. he said that he looked forward to it. remember, not everything that donald says, in fact, most the things that donald says turns out not to be true. do i think he wants to come in and testify the answers now. one of the worst things is when donald does testify. the more donald testifies, the more he implicates himself. >> we have heard state attorney general the unsinkable, i will, say laetitia james, give you a lot of credit for this suit. do you think trump understands, if you're preparing to look him in the eye, do you think he understands or thought you'd be as formidable as an enemy when he parted ways? >> one of the reasons he asked me to come to work for him in 2006 is for exactly this reason. he -- whoever he listen to that told him it would be a good idea to throw me under the bus, well, i think he should be on the phone with them having a conversation. one of the other mistakes they made is when i had said to emily fox at vanity fair that i would take a bullet for him, it was a true statement at the time that i was making. but i wouldn't take the bullet if he was the one pulling the trigger. he was the one here pulling the trigger. look, this is all on him. again, it's the first time in his entire life that he is not only being held accountable for his dirty deeds, he's suffering the repercussions of them as well. >> very quickly, before i let you, go trump was scheduled to give a deposition on tuesday. the 500 million dollar lawsuit he -- do you think he was -- in order to delay that deposition? >> listen, with donald, you never know. it's not the first time he's delayed that. it would be the third time. the interesting part of this scenario is the fact that donald is the plaintiff. who ever heard of a defendant having to try to force a plaintive to proceed with a lawsuit. especially one for $500 million, he knows it's frivolous. he was the worst thing would be for me to depose him. he also said he needed todd blanche to be there to ensure that he doesn't and up implicating himself and that wife would normally be a crime. he needs him there in order to assert his fifth amendment against self-incrimination. this whole case is absolutely battey. it will ultimately be to smith, whether or not he shows up for a deposition. >> michael cohen, thank you, we look forward to hearing about. if you do see him face to face, thank you for joining me today. we'll be right back after a quick break. ick break. it's not just a comfortable interior... it's a quiet refuge. they're not just headlights... they light the way forward. the new fully electric audi q8 e-tron models... >> quickly minded the show is now on and primetime on monday nights. we have a great lineup of guess, former manhattan district attorney say bans and former u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york will join me tomorrow. donald trump's fraud trial kicks off. that's tomorrow night at eight pm. stay right where you are, there is much more news coming up on msnbc. is much mo re news coming up on >> tonight, on the many hassan show, a government shutdown averted for now. the republican-led house is near disaster illustrate